jammadave
10-17-2003, 09:19 AM
Okay, so I'm aware there are many types of bass strings, but all my life I've only used rounds.
My experience with other types is limited, but I remember getting this fantastic tone in a shop once on a Mustang bass with tape-wound strings. So I'm getting tapewounds on my Wishnevsky just to fiddle around with them.
I kinda want to change off the rounds, but don't know what type of strings I should choose, for my Schecter, based on sound - I want it to have a lot of presence but not so much attack and buzz. Some of that is my technique, sure, but what would flats or semirounds produce? I was playing something with flats at the same shop the other day and I'll have to go back to remind myself if i liked the sound or not.
Bottom line: what are the tonal differences between all the strings out there??
;)
Flatwound
10-17-2003, 12:34 PM
Try this (http://www.basslinks.nl/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=1758)
Treena Foster
10-18-2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Flatwound
Try this (http://www.basslinks.nl/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=1758)
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Originally posted by Flatwound
OK, I thought I'd share some thoughts with you all.
I've tried lots of strings on a number of basses, and for some perverse reason I'm fascinated by the various qualities of the different strings on the market. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a perverse interest in the strings themselves , just a hang-up of trying lots of different kinds.
The way I see it, there are four basic flavors, though each has its variations: Flatwound, Roundwound, Tapewound, and Half-round.
Roundwounds are probably the most common strings in general use. These come in a fairly bewildering variety including stainless steel, nickel-plated, pure nickel wrapped, alloy 52, gold-plated, chrome-plated, and I'm sure others. Further confusing the matter is that some have hex cores, and some have round cores, which affects both flexibility and sound. Also, some are taper-wound, meaning that the outer winding tapers down to a single wrap, or even the exposed core at the bridge end. Some examples are as follows:
stainless:
Rotosound 77
DR Hi-Beams, Lo-Riders, and Fat Beams
Dean Markley Blue Steel and Superbass
Fender 7350
GHS Super Steels
La Bella Hard Rockin' Steels
Ernie Ball Stainless Slinkys
D'Addario Prism
Stainless, in my experience, tend to be the brightest of the rounds, with maybe less of a low-mid emphasis.
Nickel:
GHS Boomers
Ernie Ball Slinkys
Webstrings
D'Addario XL and Slowound
Fender 7150 (pure nickel) 7250 (Nickel Plated)
DR Sunbeams and Nickel Lo-Riders
La Bella Slappers
TI Powerbass
Danelectro Vintage Bass
D'Aquisto Rock Bottoms
Ken Smith Burners
Everly Rockers
Nickels, again IME, tend to be a good compromise between warmth and brightness, with good midrange punch. They definitely don't all sound the same.
Alloy 52
GHS Progressives
Everly B-52 Rockers
I like Alloy 52. I feel that I get a bright, clean sound, but still with the punch of nickel.
Other:
Maxima Gold which are really gold plated
Maxima Chrome, the only chrome-plated roundwound I'm aware of.
D'Addario XL Reds - these are out of production, AFAIK. Copper wound. I have heard that they turned black fairly quickly, and turned your fingers black. I have no experience with them, though.
Then, of course, there are the coated strings, like Elixir and the D'Addario EXP which are nickel-wound strings with a synthetic coating to make them last longer.
The examples are just that, examples. I couldn't possibly list every string made (or every brand sold), so there's a lot left out.
Flatwounds tend to have a darker sound with a stronger attack. Again there are lots of variations. GHS, Fender, D'Aquisto, and Labella flats, for instance, have a final wrap of flat stainless steel. Ernie Ball flats and D'Addario Chromes have a chrome-plated steel outer wrap. Pyramid Gold and Thomastik-Infeld Jazz flats have a pure nickel outer wrap. Rotosound 77's use monel (a corrosion resistant metal consisting of mostly nickel and copper) for the final wrap. I've tried the Fenders, GHS, Ernies, Chromes, TI's and Rotos. IME, the Fenders, GHS, and Ernies are pretty thumpy with that lo-mid bump happening. TI's are just... different. I like them, but I don't know what to compare them to. They have a silk underlay wrap inside that changes the sound somewhat. They still sound like flats to me, but not like any others I've tried. The Roto 77's are much brighter than most flats, without the strong attack of, say, Fenders.
Then there are tapewounds. The only ones I know of are GHS, LaBella, Rotosound, Fender, and Status. Maybe Picato, I'm not sure; you don't see Picato strings much here in the States. I have only tried the LaBellas (760N) and the Rotosounds (88). The LaBellas are deep and thumpy like flats, IME, but have quite a bit of brightness available, too. They don't sound like flatwounds. Roto 88's, on the other hand, are very dark and thuddy in comparison. The first time I tried them, I hated them. Now, I'm playing with a band where the string bass sound is appropriate, and they're just the thing since I don't play URB. Roto's are also the only tapes I'm aware of that come in short scale (RS 88S).
Some folks love half-rounds, some folks hate 'em. I've used D'Addario Half-Rounds somewhat, and I think they live up to their ad copy. Bright, almost like roundwounds, but with less finger noise, and good punch. Easy on frets. Others of this type are GHS Brite Flats, Dean Markley Ground Roundwound, Status Halfwound, and others, I'm sure. I think SIT Power Flats fit in this category, but I don't really know.
So what's the point of all this? :yawn:
Well, each of these is right for somebody. So when I read a statement like "Boomers suck!" or "DR's are the best!" I take it with a grain of salt (Incidentally, I like both Boomers and DR's :) ), because basses and bassists are individuals. You have guys like Jamerson and Joe Osborn who have used flatwounds until they broke (17 years in one case) and Billy Sheehan who says he'd like to change his strings during a set if he could. Jesse Murphy sounds great playing jazz with flats on a Precision, and Jimmy Haslip sounds great playing jazz with, shall we say, a different sound.
I guess this is my way of saying that I'm glad all these choices are there, so that I can find the "right" set for each bass and situation.
Not sure if it's worth $.02, but there it is.
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Treena
Stephen Soto
10-19-2003, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Flatwound
Try this (http://www.basslinks.nl/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=1758)
Damn, nice find man...
Flatwound
10-19-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Stephen Soto
Damn, nice find man...
I didn't find it, I wrote it! :p
Treena Foster
10-21-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Flatwound
I didn't find it, I wrote it! :p
It says written by Flatwound......at the top of my post!
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Treena
Flatwound
10-21-2003, 03:42 PM
Treena, O Queen of Smilies, may I ask a question? How does one make those custom smilies? I see them here and there, but I don't know how it's done. :bassist:
Treena Foster
10-21-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Flatwound
Treena, O Queen of Smilies, may I ask a question? How does one make those custom smilies? I see them here and there, but I don't know how it's done. :bassist:
You go to the smile generator and it will walk you through with a tutorial on how to make smilies!
http://www.smiliegenerator.com/smiliegenerator_eng.html
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Treena
RicPlaya
10-21-2003, 08:09 PM
The Mods should put this out there at the top of the board. This would cover about 25% of the questions asked, great work Flatwound!