Hi,

How do i get a really extreme wah sound like realllllly funky. An example I want is Fleas power of equality, in the interlude. Anyone know what i mean? I bought a Danelectro french fries auto wah and it isnt funky enough. Anyway, I tried a dunlop bass crybaby in my local guitar shop, and it didnt impress me. It gives a slight wahy sound. The guy said get an envelope filter which I thought was the same thing. Ive been looking into the DOD fx25b, which is popular, and the digitech bass synth envelope filter. However, is it worth it to go for a electro-harmonix q-tron or a mini-q? are they equally responsive to bass? i dunno

plz help

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Moi

If I remember correctly...since I was listening to it last night!...you're talking about that really trebly, quacky, no-bass-having section in the middle, right?

Okay, he uses a Q-tron live, but I'm not sure of the settings, and I don't think he used it for the recording of that song...it doesn't really sound like a Q to me. That particular section actually sounds like the DOD FX25B with the sensitivity cranked. The Digitech Synth Wah does that on the Envelope Filter setting.

BTW, when you go that extreme, it's called FOWNK, and you need to curl your lip and use your whole body to say it.

ok,

i wanna get FOWNKY, so wht do u suggest i get? my budget isnt tht huge. by the way i have an active ibanez edc700 4 string and a phat amp which cranks up tht FOWNK. i dont think i can get a q-tron, bit pricy, but maybe a mini-q. the demo on musiciansfriend.com sounds good (but thts for guitar). o and i dont necessarily have to get fleas power of equality sound. just somethin 'oomphy' (not really high tone, like ... oomph (ya know)) and DAMN FOWNKY.

help.. again

I really like the Digitech Bass Synth/Wah (http://www.digitech.com/products/BassSW.htm). It's got 7 modes which cover the Envelope Filter effect, to Sub Envelope Filter (my favorite), to a couple of analog filters (like old 70's Moog synth filters, to a couple of straight up bass synths, to a deep sub-bass thang. It's really fun to mess around with. I have two, because I use two of the different presets. I keep one locked to 'my sound' and use the other one to mess around with.

I also own the Q-tron, and I found it limiting and cumbersome. The Q needs an adaptor, doesn't fit on pedalboards all that well and is just way too big for what it does...like all EH effects. Also, I found it pretty hard to not have the volume spike when I turned it on. I'd be playing, hit the pedal, and be a lot louder...which isn't what I wanted.

You can get the Digitech for $70-$80 new, and the Q-tron for about $190. I vote Digitech.

yay

thankyou

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im gonna go buy one, doodeedoo

digitech. it's cheap and good.

i love you


Right back atcha big guy. Go get yo' Fownk on! Sha-ZAM

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ohhh, darn...

I thought this was going to be aboutr death metal funk...

:(

Alex

Super funky over the top wah?

http://www.ebs.bass.se/2001/soundsamples/all-iq.htm

Play the samples A & B under Hi-Q

You did say cheap and these are on the other side of cheap :( But they are analog and I believe true bypass. I just bought the Ibanez SB7 for $70 and it does a pretty good job also.

I, too, wouldn't mind funkin' it up on a budget. So are there any other good pedals for this in the under $100 range like the Digitech? Of course with the $20 rebate on the Digitech right now that just sweetens the deal.

You're right about the ebs. It does sound good and it is waay on the other side of cheap!!

wow the ebs sounds damn FOWNKY. but how much are they? and also i live in the UK so how can i get it. my budget is about 80 quid (english) so thats about $140 i guess. anybody?

I couldn't find an ebs for under $200 US.

tht EBS is amazing! but a bit above my budget. is the next best thing a digitech or what?

those double 0 agents are good, anybody know them? or where i can get one to the uk?

I have the Digitech Synth Wah and I like it a lot, but I prefer the Mini-Q for envelope filterin' funk. The Q has a fuller, more appealing tone to me,.

Now, as for the other synth sounds, the Digitech sounds great, especially for the money. I use it all the time in our music and people love hearing it. I get a lot of compliments on it.

anyone know where i can get a BASS sample of the mini-q? or cld sum1 funkify it lots and record themselves and send it to me?

Since you asked about the DOD FX-25B, I figured I'd give you a quick rundown of my experiences with it...

Pros: Funky with a capital F. Cheap--like $25 cheap. Funky. Did I mention it was funky? Impolite in the best sense of the word. Some amazing sounds for guitar if you're into that sort of thing.

Cons: Totally one dimensional. There's only one sound that it really does. You can tone it down a bit if you want, but it's a one trick pony. Takes some practice to control the dynamics...you have to know how to give it some lovin' if you want it to perform. Some people aren't fans of DOD's construction (although it's really not bad given the price).

If you're going for versatility, it's not for you. The Digitech would probably be the way to go.

If you want sound samples, I can probably hook you up.

i vote this as the most entertaining thread of the day.

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i make enertaining things

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Rats!!

I went to my local music store today and they didn't have the Digitech. :spit: They did have the Boss Auto Wah that was also a lot of fun to play with. But it was a whole lot more money!! I gotta get my hands on the Digitech.

While we're on the subject of Digitech... I tried out their bass compressor and I have to say that for $60 I was impressed! I was trying the Boss comp on the ME50B but it just killed my tone. The Digitech did a really good job of compressing while keeping the tone intact.

They did have the Boss Auto Wah that was also a lot of fun to play with. But it was a whole lot more money!!

Did the Boss Auto Wah sound like the T.Wah UP on your ME-50B? What do you think of the ME-50B on a whole?

I just got one and finding myself loving it and thinking it's just ok. It needs a lot of sound room, meaning great in a 3 peice but I didn't hear it in 2 guitars + organ rock band.

Also, any recomendations for the synth settings? They all sound distorted.

Maybe a review of the ME-50B. Mine will come once I do a gig or two with it.

Cheers!

The Digitech sounds worth a try here, I've had one of the Boss AW3's when they came out a few years back and wasn't impressed, had a q-tron at the time and it nailed the Boss, Mu-tron's are cool, sometimes a good price on e-bay, I rate them over the q-tron by a loooong way. Got and EBS bass IQ and that is real good, someone asked about getting one in the UK, try the bass center or www.bassdirect.com (the UK importers) I think they are about £120, you get them on e-bay for around £80 they are good though and as a reult they don't come up for sale too often. An earlier post said the Dunlop wah didn't give too much "wah" I assume it wasn't a 105Q 'cos they are adjustable to give you loads! Anyone tried that big mutha of a filter that EH make, I forget what it's called but it's a rack unit and came out about 3 / 4 months back?

Tony (wish I still had a Mutron!!)

have tried all of the pedals mentioned, and the best IMO was the EBS BassIQ. 3 or 4 times I've tried to use the Qtron, Qtron + and mini Q and they were terrible. Too hard to get a good sound out of them. You have to screw around for ages to even get anything close to the sound you are after. I found they all dropped way to much bass.

The BassIQ on the other hand was amazing. Very impressed with that one. Ease of use = 10. Plug it in, turn the knobs to just about anything you like and get some sort of funk. Very easy to locate the exact brand of funk that you are after too. And it doesn't lose ANY bass whatsoever.

I am desperately GASing for one right now. Unfortunately, they fall in between the Qtron and the FX25b as far as price goes, which still makes it kinda expensive.

EHX Q-Tron. 'Nuff said

If you stole and sold a dozen cars you might have enough for a lovetone meatball. This would instantly make you become one of the funkiest people on the planet at the pluck of a string. It's not what you want, it's what you need- and quite frankly everyone needs one of these. If you ever find one and you don't have the money I strongly urge you to not try it out. It will make your life seem meaningless. ;)

If you stole and sold a dozen cars you might have enough for a lovetone meatball. This would instantly make you become one of the funkiest people on the planet at the pluck of a string. It's not what you want, it's what you need- and quite frankly everyone needs one of these. If you ever find one and you don't have the money I strongly urge you to not try it out. It will make your life seem meaningless. ;)

IMO the Meatball is total pain in the neck. Too many interactive knobs and switches, an endless array of tones and and an infinite time required to find that amazing tone again. Great for studio twiddlers, but too complex for people that want to play bass. I replaced mine with an EBS BassIQ which I love.

Alex

Lovetone meat balls are back in production so you only need to steal a small car now (someone should tell them on Evilbay) I think they are £299.
A Meatball is nice to have, but too many knobs, EBS bass IQ does it for me, combine it with a Mutron for a bit more "grease" and you've got every "funktion" nailed.
Don't forget a Mooger Fooger low pass filter, more ££/$$ but good, especially when used with the exp' pedal, but they are one of the worst pedals for colouring your sound, being the worst example I ever had of a pedal that is NOT true bypass, I didn't know about "Looopers" at the time otherwise I'd still have it
BTW, my 6 string fretless sounds great thru my Bass IQ, sounds very synth like especial;ly on the low B and E

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[QUOTE=alexclaber]IMO . ...Too many interactive knobs and switches...

How in the world can this possibly be a bad thing? (Notebooks excepted) I often contemplate glueing extra dials, switches or anything that flashes on to both my pedalboards for no other reason other than it would help me feel even more like I'm at the helm of the deathstar.:D

Just thought I'd chime in here. I just got my hands on an Ibanez AF201 (same guts as the OG Mutron but in a much smaller box, and has a better bypass) and WOW. They're a little more than the EBS but IMO it is way greasier. Awesome low pass sweep and in bandpass mode with an octave down, it is synth heaven. So far this is my favorite for fingerstyle (tried Mutron III, Meatball, etc.) - I still like the mini-QTron too which is great for slap stuff...

Did the Boss Auto Wah sound like the T.Wah UP on your ME-50B? What do you think of the ME-50B on a whole?

I just got one and finding myself loving it and thinking it's just ok. It needs a lot of sound room, meaning great in a 3 peice but I didn't hear it in 2 guitars + organ rock band.

Also, any recomendations for the synth settings? They all sound distorted.

Maybe a review of the ME-50B. Mine will come once I do a gig or two with it.

Cheers!

Yes it did sound the same. In fact, it's probably the same circuit inside the ME50B. The only thing missing is the "humanizer" feature on the auto wah pedal that I wasn't crazy about anyway.

The compressor is the one thing about the unit that I'm not too crazy about. All of the settings seem to suck a lot of the amp's tone for my taste.

Try adjusting your input volume for the synth settings. Your bass might be coming in too hot in the unit.

ok, from what ive heard, the ebs bass iq is farrrrrrrr better. and guess what, IM GETTING ONE! i cant wait to play it. hit that FOWNK. its only 130 quid. which is cheaper than i expected the lovetone is far too expensive and i couldnt even find that ibanez one.

anyone know how i can get that kinda distortion flea uses, in around the world and some of his solos? i was thinking a big muff, but lately ive been listening to some samples and maybe its a bit toooo overdriven.

anyone know how i can get that kinda distortion flea uses, in around the world and some of his solos? i was thinking a big muff, but lately ive been listening to some samples and maybe its a bit toooo overdriven.


He plays a Boss ODB-3 Bass Overdrive. It's got a blend knob on it which mixes the dry with the OD signal. Good, cheap pedal. PS. he also plays a Q-tron, a Dunlop 105Q Wah, and some homemade boost pedal for a little volume kick during solos.

He plays a Boss ODB-3 Bass Overdrive. It's got a blend knob on it which mixes the dry with the OD signal. Good, cheap pedal. PS. he also plays a Q-tron, a Dunlop 105Q Wah, and some homemade boost pedal for a little volume kick during solos.

The boost is an MXR micro amp

Since you asked about the DOD FX-25B, I figured I'd give you a quick rundown of my experiences with it...

Pros: Funky with a capital F. Cheap--like $25 cheap. Funky. Did I mention it was funky? Impolite in the best sense of the word. Some amazing sounds for guitar if you're into that sort of thing.

Cons: Totally one dimensional. There's only one sound that it really does. You can tone it down a bit if you want, but it's a one trick pony. Takes some practice to control the dynamics...you have to know how to give it some lovin' if you want it to perform. Some people aren't fans of DOD's construction (although it's really not bad given the price).


I've got the DOD FX25 (the green one) After I saw Flea playing one in his Instructional video, I had to have it. Didn't want the FX25B. I'm playing through it with my Essex J-Bass but I'm still trying to get my sound out of it. It seems to suck out the bottom end quite a bit. Anyone have any suggestions for settings??

check out boss ls2 line selector,that can be handy mixing dry and wet signals.I have a dod fx25 (but mainly i use it for the dub sound) and if i used it as an envelope filter ls2 solves the problem.good luck

I just picked up a Dod FX25B and have to say, whilst its a good pedal that will have its uses, it isn't a good allround Env' Filter like a BassIQ, does make some cool sounds though, sucks the bottom end out as the filter opens but at the price you can pick these up ($30 plus $13 shipping to the UK) you can't go wrong, think of it as an effect you might use for short funky ends to phrases, not for a whole riff, think Doug Wimbish and what he refers to as the "peek-a-boo" effect.

Tony

Flea used a Dod envelope filter, because he uses it on this bass techniques video i have.

.I have a dod fx25

Do DOD still do these?

No,they dont make it anymore,the new one is fx25b.I bought my fx25 years ago.it should be easy to get one cheap from ebay.

I couldn't find an ebs for under $200 US.

I was looking for a BassIQ about two months ago so I put an ad on bassgear.com and here. . . I had about 4 guys e-mail me within 24 hours and ended up getting one shipped to me for $135. It's doable for WELL under $200. Just try the ad thing. . .