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Bryan R. Tyler
09-14-2004, 10:29 AM
I've been looking for a good chord book so I can finally look down at the chords I play and know exactly what they are, and I've found these on Amazon:
Complete Book of Bass Chords by D. Roth (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1562225480/qid=1095175482/sr=8-9/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i9_xgl14/103-8207675-2357447?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Five String Bass: A Complete Book of Scales, Modes and Chords by Brian Emmel (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0931759617/qid=1095175482/sr=8-6/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl14/103-8207675-2357447?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Does anyone have experience with either of them? They looked like the best of the bunch. Any other suggestions? I've already got Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book being shipped here, but I'm looking for something bass chord-specific as well.
Thanks!

Chris A
09-14-2004, 12:09 PM
I like Mike Dimin's Chordal Approach book. I got it for Xmas a couple of years ago, and it pretty much confirmed the bits and pieces I was doing before, but put them together more conprehensively. It's a small book and a quick study.


Chris A.:rolleyes: :bassist:

Ed Fuqua
09-14-2004, 12:38 PM
BRAIN TAILOR - chords is chords is chords. I'm not sure why you can't just either look at the notes you are playing or write them down and (with an eye to the function they are filling) know what the chord is.

And sure playing a bass instrument you gotta be a little careful about chord voicing, but a D-7b5b9 is gonna be a D-7b5b9 no matter what instrument you play it on.

LM Bass
09-14-2004, 01:14 PM
Ed's right, you can learn chords really easily by checking out
some piano, guitar or even general theory books.

Learn the formulae for constructing triads and 7th chords and you're on your way. Write a few exercises for yourself, learn the inversions, and figure out some fingerings that work for you.

Good Questions:
-how many triad qualities are there?
-how many inversions of triads?
-how many fingerings for each?

-how many 7th chord qualities are there?
-how many inversions?
-how many fingerings?

If you want it spelled out for you, which some people seem to prefer,
check out:

Chord Studies for Trombone (Joe Viola)-Berklee Press
now called Chord Studies for electric bass.

Bass Expressions and Explorations -David Baker
this one is scale-chord oriented. Written for cellists, but ignore the fingerings and it's a great bass book.

Fingerboard Harmony -Gary Willis

josh_m
09-14-2004, 03:34 PM
I just picked up a book called "The Bass Grimoire" which is cool so far, it's pretty technical so if you don't like that it's not good, but it has done a good job describing things so far.

godoze
09-14-2004, 03:37 PM
Brian, what are your goals ? To learn basic diatonic harmony ? If so, then you do not need a bass-specific book. as a matter of fact i would not recommend anything but a standard music theory book.

Walter Piston's book is just fine to learn the basics.

JMX
09-14-2004, 03:40 PM
Chord Studies For Electric Bass by Rich Appleman and Joseph Viola

Berklee Music Study Publications/Hal Leonard

HL50449750

godoze
09-14-2004, 03:44 PM
As a music teacher and theory major I suggest (not that he asked ) that he learn theory in itself and then relate it to the bass.

godoze
09-14-2004, 03:46 PM
as a matter of fact Brian, I would be happy to write ALL of that stuff out for you and send it out there. From triads through 13th, inversions, substitutions, secondary dominants. you name it....Let me know.

Bryan R. Tyler
09-14-2004, 05:47 PM
BRAIN TAILOR - chords is chords is chords. I'm not sure why you can't just either look at the notes you are playing or write them down and (with an eye to the function they are filling) know what the chord is.

And sure playing a bass instrument you gotta be a little careful about chord voicing, but a D-7b5b9 is gonna be a D-7b5b9 no matter what instrument you play it on.

Thanks for the responses, guys. Ed, the reason I just can't just write down my notes and know the chord is that I've had no formal theory training and often I'm not positive on how to write out exactly what I'm playing (for ex. I don't know about sus. 4ths). A book containing the information of how scales, chords, and modes relate to each other written by someone who has far more knowledge of the subject (and how it relates to my instrument) than I seems like a pretty good learning aid, particularly since I'm not able to get a teacher at the moment. I also work best with a visual reference.

I'm looking to learn both how to determine every individual note in a given chord, and to be able to play those chords (or their voicings) on my bass. And my reasoning for wanting to learn this stuff using bass specific books? Well, why not? I have the option open to me. I also thought that bass-specific books could highlight the best way to voice a chord on four or five strings that would normally be played with more notes on say a piano or guitar.

Bryan R. Tyler
09-14-2004, 05:53 PM
as a matter of fact Brian, I would be happy to write ALL of that stuff out for you and send it out there. From triads through 13th, inversions, substitutions, secondary dominants. you name it....Let me know.

Don, that's a very generous offer (another reason why TB is so great-the members). If you had multiple copies of this information hanging around, then I would gladly accept it, but please don't go out of your way to do it.

My main reasoning for wanting to learn theory in a direct relation to bass is that practical application works far better for me. I could teach color theory all day to someone who wants to paint, but it won't be nearly as interesting (which encourages persistence). Learning something in a way that directly applies with what you wish to do with it works much better than separately in my experience.

Aaron Saunders
09-14-2004, 08:38 PM
I was decent enough for chord theory and stuff at the beginning of the summer. Since about June, I've been having half an hour guitar lessons once a week, and they've helped my chord theory education immensely. Not only have they helped my bass improvisation, but also when writing originals in a band situation -- our guitarist was stuck on the verse, and I used some of the chord theory from the lessons and now we've almost finished a sweet funk song. Have you considered doing lessons with a guitar teacher or a piano teacher? The best voicings on bass can be found with experimentation, but the all-around best option might be to get a teacher who doesn't play your instrument. As a bonus, then you can jam with them to try out what you just learned ;).

Bryan R. Tyler
09-14-2004, 08:49 PM
I was decent enough for chord theory and stuff at the beginning of the summer. Since about June, I've been having half an hour guitar lessons once a week, and they've helped my chord theory education immensely. Not only have they helped my bass improvisation, but also when writing originals in a band situation -- our guitarist was stuck on the verse, and I used some of the chord theory from the lessons and now we've almost finished a sweet funk song. Have you considered doing lessons with a guitar teacher or a piano teacher? The best voicings on bass can be found with experimentation, but the all-around best option might be to get a teacher who doesn't play your instrument. As a bonus, then you can jam with them to try out what you just learned ;).

I'd love a teacher, but as I said in the 10th post, I unfortunately can't get one right now unless I found one willing to drive to my house and work for $10 a lesson :/ Hopefully I'll be able to get one in the next couple of months though.

Ed Fuqua
09-15-2004, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the responses, guys. Ed, the reason I just can't just write down my notes and know the chord is that I've had no formal theory training and often I'm not positive on how to write out exactly what I'm playing (for ex. I don't know about sus. 4ths). A book containing the information of how scales, chords, and modes relate to each other written by someone who has far more knowledge of the subject (and how it relates to my instrument) than I seems like a pretty good learning aid, particularly since I'm not able to get a teacher at the moment. I also work best with a visual reference.

I'm looking to learn both how to determine every individual note in a given chord, and to be able to play those chords (or their voicings) on my bass. And my reasoning for wanting to learn this stuff using bass specific books? Well, why not? I have the option open to me. I also thought that bass-specific books could highlight the best way to voice a chord on four or five strings that would normally be played with more notes on say a piano or guitar.

No, I mean WRITE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU"RE PLAYING. So if you are playing an open A string, a C# on the 11th fret of the D string and a G at the 12th fret of the G string you take a piece of staff paper and write a note in the first bottom space of the staff, a note with a # in front of it on the first line above the staff and a note 3 lines above the staff. I think what you are saying is that you don't know what to call that?

You, of course, can do exactly what you want. My somewhat informed opinion is that you're kinda going at it bass - ackwards.

Bryan R. Tyler
09-15-2004, 09:34 AM
I think what you are saying is that you don't know what to call that?

You, of course, can do exactly what you want. My somewhat informed opinion is that you're kinda going at it bass - ackwards.

That is what I meant-I can play a chord, and write down what notes I play, but I'm not sure what chord I've constructed. Also, If I saw a chart that had the chords written above, I'd like to be able to know what notes I can play for that chord off the top of my head, which I most definitely can not in many cases. I respect your opinion very much, so please feel free to explain where you think I'm headed in the wrong direction. Is it that I am looking to use a book for aid that is bass-specifc?

stretchcat
09-15-2004, 09:47 AM
Since you are a self-described "visual-learner", you might consider buying a cheapo keyboard and studying chords on your own. A piano keyboard's linear nature could really help you to understand intervals and their relationships to chords (ie. tritones to imply dominant chords for example) as well as using modes to build chord voicings. You could play some chords you like and and then learn them on the bass (as well as you can with the limitations of a bass guitar). Write these chords down and create you own chordbook. I have played piano for nearly 20 years and nearly everything that I play on bass is processed through my piano experience.

Lyle Caldwell
09-15-2004, 09:55 AM
I would suggest buying a keyboard (even a cheap Casio- just something with keys that makes a usable sound) and going to the book store of a university to buy whatever books the Music Theory 101 class is using this semester.

Work on it at home, and ask here for clarification of specific points.

Once you get the first two semesters of Music Theory under your belt, you'll be ready for the Ted Greene books, which are excellent and relate to guitar/bass.

Bryan R. Tyler
09-15-2004, 10:40 AM
I would suggest buying a keyboard (even a cheap Casio- just something with keys that makes a usable sound) and going to the book store of a university to buy whatever books the Music Theory 101 class is using this semester.

Work on it at home, and ask here for clarification of specific points.

Once you get the first two semesters of Music Theory under your belt, you'll be ready for the Ted Greene books, which are excellent and relate to guitar/bass.

I actually already have a decent keyboard-a Yamaha PSR-550. I was able to plug it in for the first time since I moved back to Connecticut just last night (I've been back for 5 1/2 months). I guess what I'm wondering is why so many people are directing learing theory (or at least learning chords specifically) to either book study or an instrument other than what I'm learning the theory for. I understand that piano and guitar are generally far more 'chordal' instruments if you will than bass, and I did buy the keyboard with the frame of mind to have it play chords that I can practice over, but I still don't understand the resistance to learn how a specific set of ideas relates directly to the bass. I haven't heard of piano teachers advices their students to buy a cheap bass so they can learn how to best use their left hand ;) I'm not bashing anyone's ideas at all, I'm just curious.

And stretchcat, do you feel that there is enough visual similarity between piano and bass where learning chords and chord structure on the piano would be useful? Bass always seemed to be a much more direct visual instrument; everything's tuned in fourths, if you want to play something in a different key, just move your exact fingering up or down the neck (not including open strings of course), while switching keys in piano is a different experience as the sharps and flats are not directly in row with the standard notes.

Lyle Caldwell
09-15-2004, 11:10 AM
Lots of reasons.

First, in order to use the proper chord for a melody, or the proper melody for a chord, you have to hear it in your head, know what it is, and reproduce it. Bass is very limited in how many notes you can play at once. So it's hard to learn how extended chords are supposed to sound when you can only play a few of the voices in the chord.

Second, by learning keyboard, you can learn from other instruments more easily. Bach was a much better bassist than any of us here ever will be, but you have to be able to read treble and bass clefs for his lines to make sense.

Third, and you may not get this point until you've tried learning theory on a keyboard, a keyboard is laid in such a way that it's really visually easy to see thirds, which are the building blocks of modern harmony. You can stack thirds on top of each other all day long on the piano, but on a bass, you end up really stretching just to play two consecutive thirds in a chord.

Fourth, inversions, inversions, inversions. Not just that they're easier to see on a keyboard, but they're much easier to hear as well. Unless you're playing way up on the fretboard, basses aren't great instruments for playing dense harmonies on. Nothing against basses- few composers put difficult intervals on the lowest keys of a piano, either.

Fifth, which is a follow up to the fourth reason, basses really aren't great chordal instruments. They excel at single notes, double stops, and the occasional 3 or 4 note chord, but that's about it. Even the greatest bassists imply harmony more than dictate it. By this I mean they will play the 2-4 notes that are most important to getting a harmony across, rather than playing full voicings.

That last may be controversial here, but it's true. Every great bassist I've heard who has been able to incorporate complex chordal ideas in their bass playing has also had keyboard facility.

Sixth, cause it's a new way to look at music, which is fun.

Seventh, cause it will only make you a better bassist.

stretchcat
09-15-2004, 11:28 AM
Lots of reasons.

First, in order to use the proper chord for a melody, or the proper melody for a chord, you have to hear it in your head, know what it is, and reproduce it. Bass is very limited in how many notes you can play at once. So it's hard to learn how extended chords are supposed to sound when you can only play a few of the voices in the chord.

Second, by learning keyboard, you can learn from other instruments more easily. Bach was a much better bassist than any of us here ever will be, but you have to be able to read treble and bass clefs for his lines to make sense.

Third, and you may not get this point until you've tried learning theory on a keyboard, a keyboard is laid in such a way that it's really visually easy to see thirds, which are the building blocks of modern harmony. You can stack thirds on top of each other all day long on the piano, but on a bass, you end up really stretching just to play two consecutive thirds in a chord.

Fourth, inversions, inversions, inversions. Not just that they're easier to see on a keyboard, but they're much easier to hear as well. Unless you're playing way up on the fretboard, basses aren't great instruments for playing dense harmonies on. Nothing against basses- few composers put difficult intervals on the lowest keys of a piano, either.

Fifth, which is a follow up to the fourth reason, basses really aren't great chordal instruments. They excel at single notes, double stops, and the occasional 3 or 4 note chord, but that's about it. Even the greatest bassists imply harmony more than dictate it. By this I mean they will play the 2-4 notes that are most important to getting a harmony across, rather than playing full voicings.

That last may be controversial here, but it's true. Every great bassist I've heard who has been able to incorporate complex chordal ideas in their bass playing has also had keyboard facility.

Sixth, cause it's a new way to look at music, which is fun.

Seventh, cause it will only make you a better bassist.

Good answer.

I saw the trumpet player Arturo Sandoval play a concert with an awesome band. After they played a burning latin tune, Arturo sat down at the piano and started to play solo. I was stunned to see just how accomplished he was on the instrument.

Jack DeJohnette is a great piano player as well as a great drummer.

John Pattitucci is a good keyboard player.

I hear that Mike Pope can rip it up on piano.

There are many more examples....

Bryan R. Tyler
09-15-2004, 11:35 AM
Lots of reasons.

First, in order to use the proper chord for a melody, or the proper melody for a chord, you have to hear it in your head, know what it is, and reproduce it. Bass is very limited in how many notes you can play at once. So it's hard to learn how extended chords are supposed to sound when you can only play a few of the voices in the chord.

Second, by learning keyboard, you can learn from other instruments more easily. Bach was a much better bassist than any of us here ever will be, but you have to be able to read treble and bass clefs for his lines to make sense.

Third, and you may not get this point until you've tried learning theory on a keyboard, a keyboard is laid in such a way that it's really visually easy to see thirds, which are the building blocks of modern harmony. You can stack thirds on top of each other all day long on the piano, but on a bass, you end up really stretching just to play two consecutive thirds in a chord.

Fourth, inversions, inversions, inversions. Not just that they're easier to see on a keyboard, but they're much easier to hear as well. Unless you're playing way up on the fretboard, basses aren't great instruments for playing dense harmonies on. Nothing against basses- few composers put difficult intervals on the lowest keys of a piano, either.

Fifth, which is a follow up to the fourth reason, basses really aren't great chordal instruments. They excel at single notes, double stops, and the occasional 3 or 4 note chord, but that's about it. Even the greatest bassists imply harmony more than dictate it. By this I mean they will play the 2-4 notes that are most important to getting a harmony across, rather than playing full voicings.

That last may be controversial here, but it's true. Every great bassist I've heard who has been able to incorporate complex chordal ideas in their bass playing has also had keyboard facility.

Sixth, cause it's a new way to look at music, which is fun.

Seventh, cause it will only make you a better bassist.

Lyle, those are some very good reasons. I still would like to obtain a book about bass chords and chord formation (I do think it will aid in showing what voicings will work best on bass), but I am also more interested in learning some theory on the keyboard (I had it set up differently than most-I wanted the keyboard to simply be the background to play melodies on the bass off of). I still think that it's not necessary to learn another instrument in order to apply theory to bass and learn chords (otherwise solo bass playing wouldn't work), but I can see now how it might be easier. If it makes it any clearer as to what I was after, an example would be Mike Dimin's solo take on "Autumn Leaves." To be able to see a chord progression, and then figure out how to play along with those chords with normal non-chordal lines (meaning single notes lines) as well as be able to make your own chord voicings for more complex chords.

Chris A
09-15-2004, 12:17 PM
Lyle, those are some very good reasons. I still would like to obtain a book about bass chords and chord formation (I do think it will aid in showing what voicings will work best on bass), but I am also more interested in learning some theory on the keyboard (I had it set up differently than most-I wanted the keyboard to simply be the background to play melodies on the bass off of). I still think that it's not necessary to learn another instrument in order to apply theory to bass and learn chords (otherwise solo bass playing wouldn't work), but I can see now how it might be easier. If it makes it any clearer as to what I was after, an example would be Mike Dimin's solo take on "Autumn Leaves." To be able to see a chord progression, and then figure out how to play along with those chords with normal non-chordal lines (meaning single notes lines) as well as be able to make your own chord voicings for more complex chords.


Mike's book can explain that to you, it explains enough for you to understand and go explore chords on your own. It's not that big of an investment, either.


Chris A. :rolleyes: :bassist:

Lyle Caldwell
09-15-2004, 12:21 PM
There's no such thing as a "bass chord." Notes are notes, intervals are intervals, and you can play any intervals on bass that A) are physically possible for you and B) sound good to you (hopefully they'll sound good to others too).

I don't mean that you have to fully learn another instrument- you don't have to give a piano recital. But if you get a theory book and it shows an example of a 4 part harmony, you can learn the lesson much more quickly if you can play it on keys rather than playing one or two parts of it on bass.

Think of it as a two-pronged approach. You will be learning theory on keys and on bass at the same time. You can take a theory lesson, program it into the keyboard, and then play against it with your bass. Best of both worlds.

tim99
09-15-2004, 11:09 PM
The notes:

|--5--|-----|--6--|-b7--|--7--|--1--|
|--2--|-b3--|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|--6--|-b7--|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-b3--|--3--|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-b7--|--7--|
|-----|--2--|-b3--|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|--6--|-b7--|--7--|--1--|-----|
|-b3--|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|-b7--|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-b7--|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-b3--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-b3--|--3--|--4--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-b7--|--7--|--1--|
|--2--|-b3--|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|--6--|-b7--|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|

Major and minor chord triad root position:

|--5--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-b3--|--3--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|--1--|

Major and minor chord triad first inversion:

|--1--|-----|-----|
|--5--|-----|-----|
|-----|-b3--|--3--|

Major and minor chord triad second inversion:

|-b3--|--3--|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|
|-----|-----|--5--|

Three string 7th chord root position:

|-----|-----|-b7--|--7--|
|-b3--|--3--|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|

Four string 7th chord root position:

|-----|-b3--|--3--|-----|
|-----|-b7--|--7--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|-----|

tim99
09-15-2004, 11:27 PM
To be able to see a chord progression, and then figure out how to play along with those chords with normal non-chordal lines (meaning single notes lines) as well as be able to make your own chord voicings for more complex chords.What you are talking about is called "chord-melody" playing style. You may have to transpose the song to a different key to get all the melody notes working on the highest two strings. You play the melody on the highest two strings, and then at chord moments, as you determine, you play a melody note on "top" of a chord inversion of the chord or chord substitution for that moment. You may want to look at stringing one of your five string basses E to C to do this.

You can use my continuous bass notes chart above and your new chord knowledge to play the chords with the melody note on top. Think this way. If the chord is C Major, and the melody note is a D, play a "C Major with a 2 on top". Once you figure out that "vocing", or "inversion", you know every "Major chord with a 2 on top". Do not get confused and call this a 9th chord or you will not have it in the right place inside your brain to bring out when you need it. And you play this chord while looking at and thinking about the 2 (D) as the anchor position. Please realize that this chord may not even have the 1 (root) in it. Since you are thinking about and looking at the melody notes on the first and second strings, you are playing chords based on those notes.

Good luck.

tim99.

tim99
09-15-2004, 11:46 PM
Some people believe that if you play a bass chord it sounds better up the neck, some say 12 fret or higher, but I think that is extreme. I play them on lower frets. Some say if you play a note on the E string in a chord you should skip the A string notes because playing E string notes and A string notes together gets muddy. I agree with this. Spread out those lower tones.

Same thing when you play on a keyboard. Play the root notes only as an octive in the left hand, and then the other chord notes and melody notes in your right hand. If you try to play the entire chord in close triads in your left hand it will sound muddy. Spread out the chord to make it sould nice. There is a book named "How to Play from a Fake Book" that talks about this.

+1 on Mike Dimin's book:

http://www.michaeldimin.com/books.htm

PhatBasstard
09-16-2004, 05:02 AM
I like Mike Dimin's Chordal Approach book. I got it for Xmas a couple of years ago, and it pretty much confirmed the bits and pieces I was doing before, but put them together more conprehensively. It's a small book and a quick study.


Chris A.:rolleyes: :bassist:I agree. I can't say enough good things about Mike Dimin's book. Plus he has a very straight forward, easy to understand aproach to explaining chord substitutions. Excellent!:)

Davehenning
09-16-2004, 05:22 AM
Jack DeJohnette is a great piano player as well as a great drummer.

John Pattitucci is a good keyboard player.

I hear that Mike Pope can rip it up on piano.

There are many more examples....

I second Rich Appleman's Chord Studies for Electric bass. It not only helped my ears, but it is an excellent book for improving one's reading skills.

Steve Swallow is also a very good pianist. (listen to the duet album "Hotel Hello" wt. Gary Burton)

And to make is even worse, DeJohnette can lay it down on the big bass as well! lefty or righty!

Bryan R. Tyler
09-17-2004, 09:49 AM
tim99-thanks for the info! It's going to take me a bit to disect and understand it, but I appreciate your help :)

jimjwl
10-03-2004, 03:04 PM
Thanks for the responses, guys. Ed, the reason I just can't just write down my notes and know the chord is that I've had no formal theory training and often I'm not positive on how to write out exactly what I'm playing (for ex. I don't know about sus. 4ths).
It sounds to me, like you don't presently have a -representation- for writing them down...

What if you were to come up with a standard for which octave you were in and you just wrote the notes on plain notebook paper, like "C#, octave 2" or something like that? Your open E note is just under three octaves below what's called "middle C", if you want to use that as a reference point.

If you don't actually know the notes on your bass, you could take up learning them by running slow chromatic scales on each string from bottom to top and back down again, naming the notes out loud, and maybe even singing the notes with lyrics being the name of the notes.

So, for example, you could run from the E string, and assuming a 17-fret neck, the notes would be E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B, C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, and A. Notice how I use sharps for the inbetween notes; when going down, I'll use flats: A, Ab, G, Gb, F, E, Eb, D, Db, C, B, Bb, A, Ab, G, Gb, F and E. If you know the notes, you're in a better position to write them down.

About Sus-4: In the system of theory in place today for western music, chords are built in thirds, example, a "C major triad" is C, E, and G. The "distance" between C and E is a third (of some kind), and the distance between E and G is a third of some kind. Notice there are three letters involved in each third: C D E (1 2 -3-) and E F G (1 2 -3-). That is why they're called thirds, and this is what supports the statement "Chords are built in thirds".

We can also look at this C major triad another way: the C is the "root", and the other notes are a "distance" above the root, so C to E is a third SO we call E the "third" of the chord and finally C to G (C D E F G, 1 2 3 4 -5-) is the "fifth".

The following is something of a special rule or exception: If I want to have a C major triad with a "sus 4", then I REPLACE the third (the E) with another note which is a "fourth" above the root. What note would that be? A fourth would be counted 1 2 3 4, and from C, C D E F. SO: F is the "sus" note in the C triad, and since we are replacing the E, we now have the Csus4 triad: C, F and G; and now you have a chord that has a "root", a "fourth" (the "sus" note) and a "fifth".

Had you noticed that the above information (a major triad, how it's constructed, how to change it into a sus4 triad) is -generic-? Your selection of books is much greater for getting the kind of information you want about the subject of chords than about the (very specialized) subject of chords as played on a bass.

A book containing the information of how scales, chords, and modes relate to each other written by someone who has far more knowledge of the subject (and how it relates to my instrument) than I seems like a pretty good learning aid, particularly since I'm not able to get a teacher at the moment. I also work best with a visual reference.


Generic:

"All About Chords", E. D'Amante
"Modern Harmonic Technique" vols I and II, by Gordon Delamont
"Chord Studies for Trombone" or "Chord Studies for Electric Bass", publ Berklee Music, by Phil Wilson and Joe Viola (why is this one generic? Because it's written music originally for horn transposed to bass range)
"The Jazz Theory Book", publ. Sher Music, by Mark Levine

Specific to bass:

"Fingerboard Harmony for Bass" by Gary Willis



I'm looking to learn both how to determine every individual note in a given chord,
Very good! Here, you're after chord naming information. You might be able to use the other direction too: Given a pile of notes, what is the name of the chord which that forms. All of the information here is in the generic pile.

This particular quest is about 9 weeks worth of material in a very fast-moving class.

and to be able to play those chords (or their voicings) on my bass. And my reasoning for wanting to learn this stuff using bass specific books? Well, why not? I have the option open to me. I also thought that bass-specific books could highlight the best way to voice a chord on four or five strings that would normally be played with more notes on say a piano or guitar.
The thing is, you need to learn the chords, and there are not many books that deal with bass chords, given that the bass is so poor an instrument for playing chords. If you know generally what the notes of each chord are, and you know where the notes are on your bass, then: you can build your own voicings. The Delamont books I cited above has a section on the physics of chord voicings (this section is in volume I pages 25-36); things like why chords sound muddy if played too low. This information is definitive as the basis for constructing voicings.

The only other thing I can suggest, is why not take some video lessons from Gary? You have to have one of a number of programs he uses on his side, DSL or better bandwidth, a camera, a mixer and a mic.

-Jim