geoffkhan
02-23-2005, 06:22 PM
Maybe one of you jazz guys can help me out with this one...
In a 13 (b5) chord, would you use a lydian dominant chord over it?
Mind you, it has a flat five, so there is no natural fifth.
Just wondering what the traditional answer is.
Kelly Coyle
02-23-2005, 08:44 PM
I don't think there is any "natural" scale for that chord. If you just sort of map out the pitches --
C D E F Gb A Bb C
-- the little chromatic sequence there makes it so that no normal scale, or mode of a scale, will suit it. I think "normally" with a 7b5 chord I would be inclined to flat the 13th, too, and then use the whole tone scale or something. But if confronted with that chord as is (and if I had a minute to think about it), I would do the common tone thing and take the chord tones
C E Gb Bb A
and fill in the remaining notes from the key of the progression. I expect that the 11 will be an avoid note in any case.
geoffkhan
02-24-2005, 01:00 AM
I don't think there is any "natural" scale for that chord. If you just sort of map out the pitches --
C D E F Gb A Bb C
-- the little chromatic sequence there makes it so that no normal scale, or mode of a scale, will suit it. I think "normally" with a 7b5 chord I would be inclined to flat the 13th, too, and then use the whole tone scale or something. But if confronted with that chord as is (and if I had a minute to think about it), I would do the common tone thing and take the chord tones
C E Gb Bb A
and fill in the remaining notes from the key of the progression. I expect that the 11 will be an avoid note in any case.
Yeah, I agree that that particular chord calls for a synthetic scale. Thanks for your advice!