Can anyone (feel free to jump in Bob!) with experience with both these pickups tell me how they compare. The Underwood I've used for years has started to crap out on occasion so I thought I might replace it with a Bass Max, or maybe even the Bass Max/Golden Trinity mic combo. I should mention that I've tried a Realist(which I still have and will probably sell if anyone is interested) and with my bass it doesn't seem to have enough top end clarity for live gigs even with EQ help from a Fishman Model B preamp. I seem to only get that "old school" thump, although in the studio it works quite well....go fig. I play a 120yr. old Bohemian Flatback and prefer a sound with lots of mwah and clarity to the notes. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide.

I don't care for the sound of the underwood personally, but I prefer it to the fishman. Currently I'm using a custom version of the Bass Max, which consists of two Bass Max pickups (one on each wing) blended with the Trinity mic. To my ears, the only problem with the Bass Max is that it overbalances the tone toward whichever side of the bridge you put it on. With one on each side (Bob can get you one that's wired for stereo if you want, so you can control the balance from side to side), it's a great pickup, and it absolutely KILLS the Underwood.

I played on the faculty concert of the Aebersold camp last night using the "Double Bass Max" coupled with the Trinity mic. When our set was over, Lynn Seaton and Rich Armandi (two of the other faculty guys) came up onto the stage trying to find out what I was using, saying that they had never heard a bass sound THAT CLEAN in that room (a boomy recital hall). They also liked the Clarus head I was running through. I can't say enough good things about both. With the Trinity/"DBM" combination (with the preamp/blender) you have so much control over your tone it's ridiculous. I have yet to find a room that I can't get a decent sound in with that setup.

I've just tried out a Clarus, courtesy of the local AI dealer, but found it not as good as my GK800RB. I found the Clarus to be too mid rangey, and the controls to be very subtle. The GK, even with all controls set flat, sounded more transparent than the Clarus. I liked the portability, but sound is the bottom line.

Hmmm...what kind of pickup/speaker were you using? I have a GK 400RB that I use for BG, and could never get a decent DB tone with it. I know that the 800RB is a higher end model, and it's capable of bi-amp operation. Are you using it that way, with 2 speakers?

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
I don't care for the sound of the underwood personally, but I prefer it to the fishman. Currently I'm using a custom version of the Bass Max, which consists of two Bass Max pickups (one on each wing) blended with the Trinity mic. To my ears, the only problem with the Bass Max is that it overbalances the tone toward whichever side of the bridge you put it on. With one on each side (Bob can get you one that's wired for stereo if you want, so you can control the balance from side to side), it's a great pickup, and it absolutely KILLS the Underwood.

I played on the faculty concert of the Aebersold camp last night using the "Double Bass Max" coupled with the Trinity mic. When our set was over, Lynn Seaton and Rich Armandi (two of the other faculty guys) came up onto the stage trying to find out what I was using, saying that they had never heard a bass sound THAT CLEAN in that room (a boomy recital hall). They also liked the Clarus head I was running through. I can't say enough good things about both. With the Trinity/"DBM" combination (with the preamp/blender) you have so much control over your tone it's ridiculous. I have yet to find a room that I can't get a decent sound in with that setup.

I have only rarely gotten an unbalanced response from the Bass Max -- it may be slightly different on each side, but the only time I've gotten an uneven response has been when the upper part (above the wings) of a bridge is significantly shorter than the average bridge. It has also happened inexplicably on one other bridge, and the player changed the bridge out and the problem was resolved. No criticism intended, just wanted to mention that it favoring one side over the other is a rare instance.

While the second one can add some dimension, it isn't always necessary. Steve Azola, who uses the Bass Max on almost all of his electric uprights, adds a second Bass Max in an angled location on the G string on his tombstone style bridges on some of his instruments, to blend with the main one on the E side in a location coincident with a standard bridge's wing.

Someone else's comment about Underwood vs. Bass Max; his email reproduced with his permission:

April 17, 2001
Hey, Bob.
Just thought I'd let you know I installed the Bass Max this weekend and it sounds fantastic. I was using the Underwood before, and there is no comparison. With the Underwood I always had to compromise between a brittle sound or one that sounded like a fretless bass guitar. The Bass Max sounds like my bass, which is all I've really been after. I can run it with my amp set flat and not feel the need to tweak it. Also, it seems to work just fine at loud volumes, and since I play with an obnoxiously loud guitarist, volume is a pretty big issue for me. Thanks for getting it to me so quickly. Take care.
Sincerely,
Matt Sumner