just wandering if you guys hate normal bassists?

I do both, and I don't hate me. My neighbors do, though! :D

Double bassists ARE normal bassists.

Our instrument came first :)

a ha, but NORMAL bass players are better.

Bows are gay

Mr. Turner, where art thou??????????

tick...tick...tick....

SPAZ- apropos of nothing I was thinking about a young child who had his arm ripped off by a polar bear in the Central Park Zoo a few years back. Apparently he thought it would be great fun to stick his arms in the cage in an attempt to attract the bears attention. I really don't know why I thought of that.

A bow is an inanimate object incapable of having a sexual relationship with anything, therefore it can't have a sexual orientation. I know that your cartoons have led you to believe that inanimate objects are alive and can talk and have exciting adventures (which is probably what leads you to name your strap, picks, cords etc.), unfortunately that's not the way it is.

Please don't feel that normal bassists hate electric players. After all, most of us that are pros, double. The ones (like me) who don't have just made a decision based on the sound that they hear in their head, for me that's an upright. Heck I don't hate my 2 year old nephew, I just find him annoying when all he does is cry and whine....

Originally posted by paz
a ha, but NORMAL bass players are better.

Bows are gay
Oh the stinging wit of a clever riposte. Your words wound me to my very core.

If I too were a 16-year old English metalhead I might well frame an inane inquiry such as yours. But you might as well ask "do bass clarinetists hate contrabassonists?" or maybe "do sheep hate pigs?" Your canoe paddle instruments and our double basses are completely different animals.
Hate?...no.... mildly irritated at smug toybassists with their lame attempts to stir up the flames, yes.

Originally posted by paz
a ha, but NORMAL bass players are better.

Bows are gay


This lack of open mind may make a DB player dislike a BG player, but not all BG players. Just the ones with closed minds. P.S. bows are not gay, your web page now that is not only gay but it blows.
http://www.geocities.com/breed_paul/

Nice little fantasy land you live in maybe you can have your mom wake you up.

Originally posted by gruffpuppy

your web page now that is not only gay but it blows.


Nah, it's just pathetic, and a little sad.

And I am always a bit amused at bands which use "tour dates" to describe shows that--if they exist at all--are frequently in venues spaced so far apart that one would have to walk for perhaps two hours to get to all of them.

But that's just my view.

-dh

This one's too easy; I'll pass.

Originally posted by rablack
Your canoe paddle instruments and our double basses are completely different animals.


:)


http://members.home.net/musiconnect/dbsail.jpg

Well done XavierG :D
Come to think of it a P-bass would also make a good rudder for your "bass boat"

Originally posted by rablack
Well done XavierG :D
Come to think of it a P-bass would also make a good rudder for your "bass boat"

That bass boat does looks pretty. A P-bass rudder,eh... hmmmm... I think I'll make this a summer project and build one.

hee hee :D

i just checked out his web page. anyone know what "matital status" means? is it catching?

and besides, isn't paz the name of the girl who plays bass for a perfect circle? isn't this poster a guy? i think i'll start a new nick named "sally" - after all, "bows are gay" :rolleyes:

should i delete or should i allow some wholesale spankage on this bent and willing target?

anyone?

Originally posted by john turner
hee hee :D

i think i'll start a new nick named "sally" - after all, "bows are gay" :rolleyes:



aww you can let it sit, it is to early.
I feel the term "Sally" is Passé, I use the term Sondra.

:D

Originally posted by john turner
should i delete or should i allow some wholesale spankage on this bent and willing target?

anyone?
I vote for the latter!

Originally posted by paz
a ha, but NORMAL bass players are better.

Bows are gay

Man I wish I was mod at this forum. I think I'd personally have to slam you for your derogatory comment. Whether it's conduct befitting my "moniker" or not, Paz, please retreat off into the woods somewhere and grow a clue. Your "bows are gay" comment is the single most ridiculous, childish, ignorant, and stupid reference I've heard for a couple of days now. I see Eminem's vernacular is coming close to being widely accepted amongst youth. Ed was far more clever than I am, I'm just going to sit here and tell you to grow and clue. And if you come back here and tell me it was "just a joke," than I am so incredibly and truly sad for you.

For all of you DBers out there, I am once again forced to apologize for the pathetic and useless example of a BGer that has been thrust upon you. It seems we let one of them get out of the padded room by accident.

Our faithful JT stands by, left hand poised on the flush lever, toilet plunger in his right, DB'ers shouting en masse, "Not so fast, John," and JT saying "It's a mercy flush, guys."

I don't think the little turd has the guts to jump back in here, anyway.....

hey guys, i'm very sorry, bows aren't gay.
and your right our website does suck, it was actually done by a mate ages ago and she still hasn't finnished it.

and i am very upset that you think paz is a girls name.

From now on i'm staying in the bassist forum

Adios, amigos








P.S. YOU ARE GAY



P.P.S. - I'M A HOMOPHOBIC IDIOT! DUUUHHHHHH!!! DURRRRRR!!!!! GAKKA WAKKA!!!!

There seems to be an unnatural obsession with the word "gay" in this person's vocabulary. If I was a psychologist, I think I would diagnose fear of ones' own sexuality and possibly latent homosexuality.......


..........but I'm not, so I'll just say it's probably just a "phase" she'll grow out of! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by paz
hey guys, i'm very sorry, bows aren't gay.
and your right our website does suck, it was actually done by a mate ages ago and she still hasn't finnished it.

and i am very upset that you think paz is a girls name.

From now on i'm staying in the bassist forum

Adios, amigos


P.S. YOU ARE GAY



For the record, PUD, this IS the "Bassists" forum. That little playroom upstairs is just for guys who never take their canoes into the deep water - they like to always be able to touch the bottom with their paddles.

YOU ARE GAY, huh? Gee, that really hurts. What's with that, anyway? Are we supposed to get all up in arms and dazzle everybody with blatent displays of our heterosexual masculinity now? Perhaps we should all post pictures of ourselves bench pressing 400 lbs. while a bevy of buxom bathing beauties bow down to caress both bulging biceps? No, wait, that wouldn't prove anything, would it...you could be GAY and still do that. Hmmm, lessee.....maybe we'd have to take things a step further and post streaming videos of ourselves actually having sex with numerous blondes with big breasts, long red fingernails, and too much makeup. But see, that wouldn't work either, because then you'd just say we were bisexual.

Wait, I KNOW.... all we have to do to prove we're straight is to start a punk band that sucks, put up a really lame website, and then act like ignorant idiots, right? Yeah, that's it! For starters, we could find a group of real musicians who are minding their own business and try to pick a fight with them (and remember, picking a fight is always a MANLY thing to do) because we're too lame to actually spend our time learning how to make music better. Yeah, that's it...this is great! And then, when they remind us just how lame we really are we can question THEIR masculinity, thereby removing any doubts we might have about our own sexual orientation. Wow, that's BRILLIANT! WHAT A PLAN!




On second thought, rather than go to that much trouble, I'd rather just accept the fact that some moron I've never met thinks that I'm a homosexual because I play Double Bass rather than Canoe Paddle :rolleyes: . I can live with that...

Maybe this one should just be banned now. We'd really be doing him a favor. Better to learn while he's young that there are ramifications to assholism and blatant stupidity.

BTW normal means usual regular common typical and the double bass does not meet those requirements.

Originally posted by CS


The bass guitar henceforth known as the normal bass section has 19 forums with 204433 posts and 19357 threads.

The double bass henceforth known as antique bass has 17 forums with 6394 posts and 833 threads.


Yeah, you're right - popularity and quality are inextricably intertwined. This explains how BAYWATCH is one of the highest quality TV shows ever made. :rolleyes:


The normal bass section is hardly a playroom in the light of some actual facts instead of sweeping statements about sexuality.

You are sentanced to play a P bass in a Punk band for 6 months.


Next


Sorry dude, I've already served my sentence back in the 70's when I was about 14, and punk was an underground movement and not quite so mainstream and - dare I say it? - NORMAL.



NEXT!!!



P.S. - hmm, looks I accidentally immortalized a post that the original poster thought better of and deleted....or so he THOUGHT.....mmmmwwwwaaaaahahahahahahahahahhahahaha haha..........

Nice talking with you again Chris

I have had two posts disappear and then deleted the two that followed to find that you have answered one of them and the other has re appeared. Something strange is going on or Ed for it was he I was attacking has a divine intervention deal going on (thats only if you the reader believe in God cos some people get touchy on the religious stuff).

Anyway I'm off to the playpen

PAtZy,

By gay do you mean happy?

j

Originally posted by CS
Nice talking with you again Chris

I have had two posts disappear and then deleted the two that followed to find that you have answered one of them and the other has re appeared. Something strange is going on or Ed for it was he I was attacking has a divine intervention deal going on (thats only if you the reader believe in God cos some people get touchy on the religious stuff).

Anyway I'm off to the playpen

It might not be divine intervention (we know John Turner is only "godlike" around here ;) ). I've noticed a recurring problem, that affects those of us in the UK more as we are in a different time zone.

I find that "overnight" there have been lots of posts and maybe several that are asking me for a reply , but if I make several consecutive posts on the same thread, the earlier ones are deleted or "overwritten" and only the last one survives.

This has happened to me many times now and I try to make a habiit of not posting twice in succession in any one thread and will edit and add my thoughts in the same post. I mentioned it, but only one other person had experienced this at the time. I think that US posters don't get this, maybe because there are lots of people on at the same time.

To tell you the truth, the first time I ever played Double Bass, I was pretty freaking gay at the time. I mean, really, as happy as BG makes me, playing DB made me so much gayer. :)

Originally posted by CS
BTW normal means usual regular common typical and the double bass does not meet those requirements.

Lessee -
I'm the usual guy in any of the groups I work with, and I play upright.
In any of the groups I'm a regular sub for (or when I call the cats who regularly sub for me) we all play upright.
It's more typical to see an upright player in a jazz group than an electric player.

But yeah, I guess you're right. We're just not common the way electric players are.
Yep, you got me there.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


It might not be divine intervention (we know John Turner is only "godlike" around here ;) ). I've noticed a recurring problem, that affects those of us in the UK more as we are in a different time zone.

hey, i resemble that remark :D. actually, the whole multi-post deletion thing i get happening often too. if i try to quote two posts different posts in a row, the first reply will get overwritten by the second.

this thread was an amusing use of 5 minutes. btw, paz, some psychologists say we're all gay to some extent or the other. which means you are gay too. your bass, as correctly stated somewhere above, is not gay, but rather an inanimate object.

I like punk, I like jazz, I like alot of other stuff too. I like both electric and double bass. They are both tools. I like when tools are used with integrity. Words are also tools, so use them carefully in the future. All you got this time was a textual thrashing. Its not 'cool' (I guess in your words that would be 'straight') to be ignorant.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


It might not be divine intervention (we know John Turner is only "godlike" around here ;) ). I've noticed a recurring problem, that affects those of us in the UK more as we are in a different time zone.

I find that "overnight" there have been lots of posts and maybe several that are asking me for a reply , but if I make several consecutive posts on the same thread, the earlier ones are deleted or "overwritten" and only the last one survives.

This has happened to me many times now and I try to make a habiit of not posting twice in succession in any one thread and will edit and add my thoughts in the same post. I mentioned it, but only one other person had experienced this at the time. I think that US posters don't get this, maybe because there are lots of people on at the same time.

Bruce

Thanks for the info the loss of the first post caused me problems. It's our fault anyway for not living in America.

Originally posted by john turner


hey, i resemble that remark :D. actually, the whole multi-post deletion thing i get happening often too. if i try to quote two posts different posts in a row, the first reply will get overwritten by the second.

Yeah that's it! Should we tell Paul about this or at least warn people that this will happen?

Originally posted by CS


Bruce

Thanks for the info the loss of the first post caused me problems. It's our fault anyway for not living in America.


Chris,

I wouldn't sweat the "not living in America" part. The last couple of times I've been to Europe, it has seemed like most of the really dumb "Ugly American" aspects of or society are infiltrating your side of the pond anyway. Uh, sorry about that.....

Just curious: what led you to "The Great Smiley Renunciation"? I've been on the border of that one for a while now. Was it some huge cataclysmic event, or did you just wake up one morning and realize that smileys were passe?

Chris

I never liked them and started using them because people "didnt know I was joking". So I started to use them and people still didnt get that I was joking. So I thought why go to such effort and still upset people? During the great (biased opinion) "who wouldn't you mess with?" thread someone (a great bloke actually) thought I was being serious so I changed my sig and have not used smiley's since.

Sorry if its a boring story. Most regulars are familiar with my twisted sense of humor and I have a rule of apologising if I upset people by accident (by design is different of course).

I am still smarting that my clever witty series of mild banter was ruined by the one aimed at Edcase disapearing (twice). THe following ones did not make as much sense(?) without it and I got slaughtered by yourself. I take solace that I got it right including you in the wouldnt mess with poll and I am going for a McDonalds (a fine example of American culture).

As always a pleasure talking to you and your fellow antique collectors.

BTW that story about the roadie trashing a 1650's instrument-at least it wasnt a new one.

regards

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald

Just curious: what led you to "The Great Smiley Renunciation"? I've been on the border of that one for a while now. Was it some huge cataclysmic event, or did you just wake up one morning and realize that smileys were passe?



Aww, come on CS, you know I helped you with that.


:D:D

Originally posted by gruffpuppy




Aww, come on CS, you know I helped you with that.


:D:D

Correct boy wonder, you are the person referred to in my previous post. Theres a hidden complement there as well. Savour it, I dont give many out.

The sarcasm level being so much higher on this end of the board, possibly forgoing smileys would just simply be less patronizing around these parts. However I have noticed a tendency on other areas of Talkbass, I won't mention where, for feathers to be ruffled with just the slightest of breezes. Perhaps catering to the lowest common denominator isn't always the solution. That being said, maybe I'm with CS on this.

To answer the original question, "do double bassists hate normal bassists." Apparently the answer is no. Double bassists seem only to hate stupid bassists. Ah, how surprising.

Originally posted by jazzbo
Double bassists seem only to hate stupid bassists.

We don't hate them, we just like mocking them.

-dh

Originally posted by CS


Correct boy wonder, you are the person referred to in my previous post. Theres a hidden complement there as well. Savour it, I dont give many out.

Always nice to converse with you CS.

Gruff

likewise

BTW I am leaning toward Alembic Activators for the Thumb. I will let you know when (if) I get them.

Originally posted by CS
I take solace that I got it right including you in the wouldnt mess with poll and I am going for a McDonalds (a fine example of American culture).


I've managed to avoid McDonalds since their introduction to England in the early 80s on all but one occasion. I was in Sega World in Picadilly Square, London and the only place to get a drink was a McDonalds, so I got a coffee!!

I can't believe how some of the great European capitals have been desecrated - like Brussels has some of the most beautiful squares and the most wonderful restaurants; but it also has this huge red and yellow arch at the centre, pointing the way to McDonalds. So come on - which Americans come to Brussels and want to find the way to McDonalds? :rolleyes:

Lots of them unfortunately. I do recall a Monty Python skit dealing with English tourists in Spain complaining that they couldn't get Watney's Red Barrel so the Yanks aren't alone in that trait. I agree that the proper word to describe the worldwide proliferation of McDonalds, Pizza Hut etc.. is desecration. Fast food should stay in its native habitat - the American suburban strip mall wastelands.

In the interest of preserving the town's "village" look, Freeport, Maine would only let McDonald's in if it "blended in" to the surroundings; hence, there is a McDonald's that looks like a Victorian house from the front. The town also banned a drive-through for a long time, and finally allowed a compromise where McD's wasn't allowed to use a loudspeaker. You have to order on a computer screen.

As far as those BGers who insist on thumbing (or picking) their noses at the DB side, I'm waiting for the day their BG hero takes up the DB. What will they do then--renounce their hero forever, or will Weyerhauser stock suddenly take a jump in value?
Hmm--methinks the latter.

"Fieldy to take up Double Bass and renounce electric music - shock! "

Full Story later...

Nobody was really suprised when he discovered that he could get that clicking sound much more easily by pulling and slapping double bass strings - a double album of chamber music is soon to follow....

Not to defend McDonalds or anything, but they wouldn't be opening so many restaurants if only American tourists ate there --- so there must be plenty of locals who flock to the golden arches.

Hey, isn't Burger King owned by a British conglomerate now?

Burger King are alright actually and not so bad as McDonalds in terms of desecrating the environment with huge signs and banners. I will admit to having eaten an occasional Burger King Spicy BeanBurger, when getting a late train back from London to my home!! ;)

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Burger King are alright actually and not so bad as McDonalds in terms of desecrating the environment with huge signs and banners. I will admit to having eaten an occasional Burger King Spicy BeanBurger, when getting a late train back from London to my home!! ;)

Hold on now! You guys apparently have something we don't have in the U.S. (or is it just not available in the southeast?). How many times have I ridden public transportation wishing I'd eaten something like a Spicy Beanburger? Great silent revenge on the guy wearing the overpowering cheap aftershave in the next row...

No offense, but I am glad I'm not the guy on the train next to you after that spicy beanburger!

The thing I hate much more than the simple desecration of a single McDonalds is the "urban sprawl" syndrome over here in the states, miles and miles of road lined with fast food, malls, and such. Its so unbelievably depressing. Especially considering its usually on the sites of former farms.

Just so you know, while there are plenty of people in the US who would travel 4000 miles and go to McDonalds, there are PLENTY who wouldn't.

Originally posted by lermgalieu
The thing I hate much more than the simple desecration of a single McDonalds is the "urban sprawl" syndrome over here in the states, miles and miles of road lined with fast food, malls, and such. Its so unbelievably depressing. Especially considering its usually on the sites of former farms.

the guitarist in my band's grandmother owned a big horsefarm, and she passed away relatively recently. due to internal squabblings among the inheritors, the land was pretty much all sold to a developer, who turned a beautiful horse farm into a subdivision of pre-fab houses.

where's godzilla when you need him?

Just so you know, while there are plenty of people in the US who would travel 4000 miles and go to McDonalds, there are PLENTY who wouldn't.

i totally agree - good point.

Many of us would travel 4000 miles NOT to see a McDonalds....

Originally posted by mchildree
Many of us would travel 4000 miles NOT to see a McDonalds....

Count me among that number. In my more paranoid moments, I sometimes imagine that McDonalds and Wal-Mart are a government plot to make us all the same.

Just last night there was a programme on UK TV, which was looking at the eating habits of children and how they are allowed to eat what they like in a way that hadn't happened in previous generations - at school, I was forced to eat School Dinners - which included the dreaded boiled cabbage!!

So they asked a sample of children what their preferred food was and a large number said "McDonalds" - as if it was a food group! So basically it was McDonalds and Chips (French Fries). I think this means that they have won the war to control a whole generation's brains and so kids don't ask for a "burger" but specify a brand name!

Come on guys, we play virtually the same instruments!!!!!!!!!!! We should not be waddling in a civil war, we should be teamed togethor, man!!!!!!!!! We should unite and repel the forces of guitar players everywhere!!!!!!!!! Mwahahahahaaha

Aah - those teenage days when music was a competition.

Hey Paz - Happy birthday yesterday. I hope with your new wisdom you'll extend your influences beyond your own band.

BTW - does anyone reckon it would be a good idea to fit a vibrato bar to my double bass?

For some reason when I saw the thread title today (but not any of the 6 trillion times previously that I'd seen it), my grade school orchestra director sprang back to life with her statement during one rehearsal, "I don't know why, but bass players are always SOOOO weird."

She was right.

-dh

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
...which is probably what leads you to name your strap, picks, cords etc...

HEY!! I do that...and I'm almost normal. Besides being a Tiger I mean. RRRAAAAAHHH!!!!!

Ahem...I'll go now

i was just wondering, yannow, about the word "gay" being use as an insult.
i mean, what if you were completely unaware of a guy's sexuality, and he was actually a homosexual, and you went, "YOU'RE GAY!!!" ... wouldn't he just shrug politely and hike his fishnets up ? think about it, would he be insulted if you in turn went, "YOU'RE BLATANTLY HETEROSEXUAL!!!" ...

i think we should all become more secure about our masculinity ! group hug ! :D :p

Originally posted by yottskry


HEY!! I do that...and I'm almost normal. Besides being a Tiger I mean. RRRAAAAAHHH!!!!!

Ahem...I'll go now

:D
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_365440.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

what's up, fellas? more real bass vs. fake bass wars? i want in!

your (insert instrument of choice) sucks! and is gay!

Originally posted by dancehallclasher
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_365440.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

From Article:
"When I have the coat of a tiger, I feel I will have reached my goal in life."


Takes all kinds, eh? This is priceless.

wanna know whats really funny to watch?
i have been playing string bass for 3 years, and electric for 1, so i am a little bit better at string bass than electric. i know alot of electric bassists in school, and its really funny when they come up to me and ask to play my string bass... they're like "uh, so where's the 9th fret? these strings are hard to push down!" and to watch them, cuz they think they know what they're doing, hehe.
does anyone else find that funny to watch?

Originally posted by ConTraBajisTa
wanna know whats really funny to watch?
i have been playing string bass for 3 years, and electric for 1, so i am a little bit better at string bass than electric. i know alot of electric bassists in school, and its really funny when they come up to me and ask to play my string bass... they're like "uh, so where's the 9th fret? these strings are hard to push down!" and to watch them, cuz they think they know what they're doing, hehe.
does anyone else find that funny to watch?


CONTRAFAJITA,

You're absolutely right...I also love it when that happens. My favorite is when some joker who's really into KoRn tries to play some of that FiElDy SlAp StUfF, and it totally flops. Robbed of their instant claim to coolness, they invariably begin to attack the credibility of the DB as if its continued existence is a big conspiracy to kill creativity in modern rock music. :rolleyes:

Of course, I think what they really hate about it is that:

a) It so big, you can't show off your tatoos.

b) If you've had your butt pierced, no one but the drummer can see it.

c) Kinda hard to jump up and down while playing.

d) Last, and perhaps most important, you have to work at it for awhile before you can play anything that sounds like anything.


Having said all of that, I'd like to add that I don't hate toybass players...I'm all psyched about getting a 6 string soon, and have been practicing my fingers to the bone to get a good toybass sound for a new group I just joined...but when something like what you mentioned happens, I'm not above getting a good laugh out of it.

Regards,

DURRL

Pardon my ignorance, but I've never heard a DB referred to as a "string bass" before (probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm a toy-bassist). Is this common &/or correct terminology? Does this mean a toybass is not a string bass? Some companies are making loads of money selling strings for toybasses - and we don't need strings???.

(Please be gentle.)

when people would ask me what instrument i played i would say "the bass" <--and that meant, the double bass, but they wouldn't know (and one time, i was going to play in the pit in marching band with my bass and just put the pickup on the bridge and plug it into an amp, and so when i said "i play bass" the guy went to the drum room and gave me a marching bass drum, so now, people understand better if i use a different word). if i say i play bass, no one knows what that means, and i have to explain to them what it is (and run through all its names--double bass, contra bass, upright bass, bass violin, string bass, stand up bass, the thing that looks like a big ol' violin and i don't mean the cello, etc.). string bass is just one of its many names, and around here, thats how people recognize the instrument.

buuuut... i'm not really sure why they call it a string bass, since both kinds of basses need strings... maybe because of the confusion with bass drums (as in my case, and bass drums don't have strings)? to me, double bass is an ugly word, and it always reminds me of a big, ugly, old, moldy string bass (don't ask why, cuz i have no idea), so i say string bass.

the reason they call it a string bass is to differentiate it from the brass basses, which to brass band people, are known as simply "bass"....I think they mean tuba.....

so they call our basses String Basses.
And BTW, why is he called Durrl?

Klimblim:

You've been around long enough to know that Durrl is an "Edism" (moment of silence). I believe it is directly related, correct me if I'm wrong, to Mr. Fitzgerald's home base. Or is that home bass. Anyway, Durrl resides in Kentucky.

Originally posted by Tim Ludlam
Klimblim:

You've been around long enough to know that Durrl is an "Edism" (moment of silence). I believe it is directly related, correct me if I'm wrong, to Mr. Fitzgerald's home base. Or is that home bass. Anyway, Durrl resides in Kentucky.

Well, it's kind of a long story, but...it is indeed a "Fuquism". Remember the Newhart show, where they had those three dumb**** hillbilly brothers named Larry, Darryl, and Darryl? DURRL is a "Fuquafied" written version of the deep south dialectic pronunciation of DARRYL. I forget exactly how it came about, but once it did, it stuck.

And when you get right down to it, considering what MASTER FU managed to do to some other people's names, I never minded being called "DURRL" one bit. Given some of the possible alternatives, I consider that one a keeper...

Sooo... could you guys be more predictable?;)

Someone throws the bait (pretty weak bait at that) and... let the frenzy begin:D

While it may be funny to watch an electric bassist struggle with a DB, is it any less amusing to watch the opposite happen? Especially with that whole superiority thing happening. They're different. Duh. Very few people exit the cradle with the ability to play either well, without some shed time. There are mediocre to great players on both, so what's up with the grade school mentality? Hehe.

The gay thing?... an obvious trolling maneuver that, surprisingly, still seems to work extremely well on the "real bass" players. Hmmmm....

Niagara Falls!

*ding-ding* (Dr. Pavlov's little dinner bells)

Gay!

Ahh, the classics:D

BTW I have a 3 piece DB... the neck is in the basement, by the freezer; the body's in the corner, the bridge and strings are on the shelf;)

well, i guess that sort of thing doesn't really happen that much as so many dbassists started out from BG? But while it might be amusing, I think it would be quite an accurate generalisation to say that a double-bassists trying out a BG would have alot less trouble playing it than vice versa, plus the fact that since so many of DBers have teachers, they tend to be able to find their way around the BG more easily due to the fact that quite a bit of theory gets passed along too....

Not saying that any DBer could pick up a BG and play like Jaco, or even Fieldy (you know, i still don't know who he is), but at least he could play tunes within the week. A BGer might not be able to play the parts in Beety or Mozzy in such a short time.....to say the least....this is assuming that both bassists are of a similar standard on their own instruments.

It happens more often than you might think;)

Sure, the theory remains the same, it's the techniques that test you, either way. What I find interesting is that I know of quite a few very good electric or toy bassists:rolleyes:;) who will readily admit a lack of proficiency on the DB while I rarely hear the opposite from real bassists. It's usually "Hey, it's an electric...how hard could it be?" Gigging in a week?...sure but gigging in a serious fashion will probably require more time. I know...it's obvious but here ya go...

They're different:D

Assuming a similar standard, will the DB'er be playing Tribal Tech/ Flecktones in a week?:D

Originally posted by Brad Johnson

Assuming a similar standard, will the DB'er be playing Tribal Tech/ Flecktones in a week?:D

most bg'ers aren't going to be there in a week either. :D..

then again, i have no problem letting a DB'er try out one of my "toy" basses ;) :D

Party pooper:D

Hey JT, it's not about whether the toy bassist will be there (they have Beet and Mozie to worry about;))... the two bands I mentioned would probably be no more difficult for a reading toyB'er than Mozart for the DB'er.


Nah nah so there. BTW I'd love to see a real bassist with one of your toys. I'm sure you'll agree... they're much easier to ridicule than to play.

Deep, huh?;)

i think its easier to go from playing string bass (or double bass, like you guys say) to electic bass (or bass guitar--wow, i just realized i have weird names for the bass compared to you guys) cuz you have the frets all right there in front of you which is exactly where the note is, the strings are easier to push down, etc. the hardest part for me was learning the right terminology (ie. do you still call the neck, the neck? or the fingerboard the fingerboard? or is it fret board?). when i ask for, say, the four main chords of the song, i ask for the notes, not the frets (its a habit). just little things like that, and when my guitarist says "that sounds cool, how do you play it?" i always end up using the note name instead of the fret #. other than that, its painful on the left wrist (from the neck being sideways instead of vertical).

i still think its funny watching a bass guitarist try and play the string bass for the 1st time though =)

Never seen a DB'er jump on a Smith 6 for the first time with super low action, huh? Gives new meaning to the phrase "playing through".

;)

Well, this DB'er jumped all over a Smith 6 about a month ago. I had a great time, and got a terrific case of GAS all in one fell swoop. The difficult part of going to BG from DB is that the right hand technique is totally different from one to the other, and the spacing is also completely different. CONTRA FAJITA is completely on the money though - the LEFT hand technique required to play BG is not anywhere NEAR as difficult as the same for DB. It's like fingerpainting (L.H. BG) as compared to fine detail brush work (L.H. D.B.). I know, because I played Toybass for 9 years before I ever touched a DB.

Having said that, I still think that great electric players are not somehow lesser musicians than great acoustic players...it's just that I would rather HEAR a DB over a BG 97 times out of 100. (At least, for certain styles of music) It's a matter of sound and tone....once I started listening to great acoustic players, all I could hear was THAT SOUND, even when I was playing fretless BG. Eventually, it dawned on me that the only way I was ever gonna get THAT SOUND was to come on over to the dark side. But if you're wondering just how seriously we take the whole "DB Snobbery" schtick, I think you'll find that most people here are doing it more to amuse themselves than out of actual mean-spiritedness. Try it sometime, it's kind of fun. :cool:

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
Well, this DB'er jumped all over a Smith 6 about a month ago. I had a great time, and got a terrific case of GAS all in one fell swoop. The difficult part of going to BG from DB is that the right hand technique is totally different from one to the other, and the spacing is also completely different. CONTRA FAJITA is completely on the money though - the LEFT hand technique required to play BG is not anywhere NEAR as difficult as the same for DB. It's like fingerpainting (L.H. BG) as compared to fine detail brush work (L.H. D.B.). I know, because I played Toybass for 9 years before I ever touched a DB.

Chris, I get the fingerpainting analogy, I just don't "get" it;). Scale legnth alone would show that a doghouse requires dealing with more fretboard. That doesn't make working above the 12th fret position on an unlined fretless electric bass any less hairy.

By this logic DB is hard, fretless TB is easier, violins should be a piece of cake:D

BTW Smith's are pretty sweet. Not really conducive to a heavy touch though.

Having said that, I still think that great electric players are not somehow lesser musicians than great acoustic players...it's just that I would rather HEAR a DB over a BG 97 times out of 100. (At least, for certain styles of music) It's a matter of sound and tone....once I started listening to great acoustic players, all I could hear was THAT SOUND, even when I was playing fretless BG. Eventually, it dawned on me that the only way I was ever gonna get THAT SOUND was to come on over to the dark side. But if you're wondering just how seriously we take the whole "DB Snobbery" schtick, I think you'll find that most people here are doing it more to amuse themselves than out of actual mean-spiritedness. Try it sometime, it's kind of fun. :cool:

No problem there, Chris, I find the "DB Snobbery" highly amusing...but probably not for the intended reason;0. I dig them both, I find the idea that one's "better" to be pretty funny.

actually really glad to see a difference in opinions between the BGers and DBers remain relatively amicable....most of the time it really gets pretty ugly......

Well, it's not exactly by scale length that just makes it harder. Have you ever tried to stop notes above the octave on a DB? Even on basses with a rather low action, that area is physically friggin painful to work with....whereas it's not as painful (when starting out) to play above the 12th fret as compared to the 11 frets.

I think no one on the Db side really thinks it's just scale length that makes it harder to play.....if you bow, then that's a whole different world altogether. I understand the violin analogy, but it only sort of makes sense if you're talking scale length, which we're not. Anyway violin intervals are so close to each other, hitting the wrong note is a huge possibility, as it is when you play high on a double bass....on BG, the frets help so much...

Nah, I don't think it's "better" cos everyones got their preferences, but personally on an acoustic bass, I feel the range of colours, vibrato, tone make for a more intense sound....something that can be described as truly beautiful. And I guess maybe some of the snobbery comes from the fact that Dbers have to work alot harder to get a good sound. Left hand technique is tough already, on both instruments, but right hand technique....sigh....I've been playing for a little over 2 years and my Russian tutor ALWAYS has something to say about my bowing technique.

I guess alot of it has to do with the music you listen to too....not dissing other styles, but once you really get hooked on classical....the power and dynamics of purely acoustic sound cannot be replaced...when you have TOTAL control over how the instrument speaks and no electronics at all come into play, when you feel the floor rumble under a full bass section...it's sometimes a bit hard to see the same depth, intensity and beauty in a Bg.
:)

Originally posted by Brad Johnson

Chris, I get the fingerpainting analogy, I just don't "get" it. Scale legnth alone would show that a doghouse requires dealing with more fretboard. That doesn't make working above the 12th fret position on an unlined fretless electric bass any less hairy.

By this logic DB is hard, fretless TB is easier, violins should be a piece of cake

Fretless electric above the 12th "fret" is far simpler than playing the same range on DB because of the build of the instruments. On fretless you just keep moving your LH closer to you to get to the high notes. On DB, you start to run into the body with your LH at about a Maj 6th above the open string. Once you go very far above that, it requires an entirely different - and insanely difficult - LH technique.

BTW Smith's are pretty sweet. Not really conducive to a heavy touch though.

They are VERY sweet. I didn't find the touch thing to be a problem, but then I can't say that I was playing perfectly either.


No problem there, Chris, I find the "DB Snobbery" highly amusing...but probably not for the intended reason;0. I dig them both, I find the idea that one's "better" to be pretty funny.



I don't think anyone is saying that one is really better than the other, just that most of us down here greatly prefer on to the other.

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
Party pooper:D

Hey JT, it's not about whether the toy bassist will be there (they have Beet and Mozie to worry about;))... the two bands I mentioned would probably be no more difficult for a reading toyB'er than Mozart for the DB'er.

yeah, i'd believe it. i saw fellow TB'er Rob W. perform beethoven's 7th with the toronto symphony last month. excellent performance, and it seemed like it was a pretty tricky piece - you shoulda seen em changing the pages :D


Nah nah so there. BTW I'd love to see a real bassist with one of your toys. I'm sure you'll agree... they're much easier to ridicule than to play.

Deep, huh?;)

oh, yeah, you know it. :D

Well, I just had to find out for myself... so I walked into the local music store this morning and found a DB standing in a corner. I thought I'd give it a try. I have to admit, it took about 5 minutes to get used to all the nuances (string height - string rigidity -scale length - and most of all... awkward playing position), but after that, I was actually able to play the darned thing. The salesman (drummer) started brushing away on his snare/hi-hat, and we had a great 30 minute impromptu jam session. I have to get myself a DB. They're cool!

Originally posted by Klimbim
actually really glad to see a difference in opinions between the BGers and DBers remain relatively amicable....most of the time it really gets pretty ugly......

Anger is usually based on insecurity. I think me getting mad in a discussion is a failure on my part. I have an extremely healthy ego...just ask my wife;)

Well, it's not exactly by scale length that just makes it harder. Have you ever tried to stop notes above the octave on a DB? Even on basses with a rather low action, that area is physically friggin painful to work with....whereas it's not as painful (when starting out) to play above the 12th fret as compared to the 11 frets.

Scale length is not the only thing that makes it "harder"... I'm definitely not saying that. It's just one of the things that's different, that's all. The painful part is something I haven't experienced... I must be doing it wrong:D

Then again, electric bassists tend to play at higher volume and listening to upper register acrobatics on a fretless on a bad night can be very "painful".

I think no one on the Db side really thinks it's just scale length that makes it harder to play.....if you bow, then that's a whole different world altogether. I understand the violin analogy, but it only sort of makes sense if you're talking scale length, which we're not. Anyway violin intervals are so close to each other, hitting the wrong note is a huge possibility, as it is when you play high on a double bass....on BG, the frets help so much...

Nah, I don't think it's "better" cos everyones got their preferences, but personally on an acoustic bass, I feel the range of colours, vibrato, tone make for a more intense sound....something that can be described as truly beautiful. And I guess maybe some of the snobbery comes from the fact that Dbers have to work alot harder to get a good sound. Left hand technique is tough already, on both instruments, but right hand technique....sigh....I've been playing for a little over 2 years and my Russian tutor ALWAYS has something to say about my bowing technique.

Ahh, technique. How's your five fingered plucking, two handed tapping and triple thumping? J/K

BTW you can't have snobbery without someone thinking something is better. I learned that from the best... Thurston J. Howell III :big old grin:.

Guess alot of it has to do with the music you listen to too....not dissing other styles, but once you really get hooked on classical....the power and dynamics of purely acoustic sound cannot be replaced...when you have TOTAL control over how the instrument speaks and no electronics at all come into play, when you feel the floor rumble under a full bass section...it's sometimes a bit hard to see the same depth, intensity and beauty in a Bg.
:)

Hmmm... what style do I listen to?
nevermind:D

Durrl sez

Fretless electric above the 12th "fret" is far simpler than playing the same range on DB because of the build of the instruments. On fretless you just keep moving your LH closer to you to get to the high notes. On DB, you start to run into the body with your LH at about a Maj 6th above the open string. Once you go very far above that, it requires an entirely different - and insanely difficult - LH technique.

No doubt...but, as I said, catch a fretless player on a bad night. I don't think it's physically that difficult but it can be draining to play well...just like any other instrument;)

BTW Smith's are pretty sweet. Not really conducive to a heavy touch though.

They are VERY sweet. I didn't find the touch thing to be a problem, but then I can't say that I was playing perfectly either.

Some people don't... others seem to have a problem getting less than Stanley Clarke type intensity on the toybass.

No problem there, Chris, I find the "DB Snobbery" highly amusing...but probably not for the intended reason;0. I dig them both, I find the idea that one's "better" to be pretty funny.

I don't think anyone is saying that one is really better than the other, just that most of us down here greatly prefer on to the other.

Understood but how can you have a snob with no values or judgements attached?

I'd imagine what you say is true for some and maybe most down here but I've seen some attitudes towards toybass (pretty clever monicker, huh?) that didn't seem to be in that spirit, particularly the stereotyping. Doesn't bother me any more than someone commenting on my large feet. A sense of humor comes in very handy.

I listen to both and dig both. Call me conflicted:D
I saw the topic and figured I go slumming;)

Hey Brad,
so you've tried double bass out? Because I, too, played electric bass for a year before I started double bass as well. Just talkin' cold logic - Most double bassists play electric bass as well. I think most everyone, if NOT everyone here on the DB section plays BG as well, some of them do both of them at a pretty good standard....and definitely, the point you're trying to get across is that they're different - which is obviously true. But the people here on DB are in a pretty good position to compare technical difficulties on both instruments, since they play both, you know what I mean?

You said you don't feel pain past the octave on a DB, were you using thumb position? I don't know anyone who didn't have some sort of soreness in their tender ol' thumbs when they started playing in those positions, so either, yes you were doing it wrong, or you are some sort of natural. :D

The DB and BG are very different, but it is a fact that the DB is a more difficult instrument to master; bowing techniques, getting a big full pizzi sound, and Intonation. I've seen people who have never touched an instrument before play some basic stuff on fretted BG in a couple of hours, and they get a pretty acceptable tone (no buzzing etc, at least it's clear. It's not big warm and round, but it doesn't sound too bad). I guess one major point is that a BG is very easy to pick up, but darned difficult to master. A DB is difficult to pick up from the onset, and also a bitch to master (if you ever do).

Not trying to start a fight here, but I find this kind of amusing and ironic. You admit that most Dbers here don't have that snobbery stereotyping attitude towards BGers, but your very 1st post here stereotyped all of us into a big lump as being oversensitive, predictable...blah blah...maybe you should check that out first?

Honest questions from BGers are always answered seriously, but I suppose some DBers here view this forum as a haven to discuss serious stuff, and really hate it when people mess it up. Personally I'm pretty much a lurker, and I don't care either way....for me this place is really good for solid info, as well as entertainment!

Also, about a DBer not being able to have a soft touch on a BG.....well, then I think you really might be quite off. A BGer has an added level of control over volume through the amp, and if he wants to play loud can just up the volume while keeping a soft touch. A DBer who wants to play pianississimo in chamber music or whatever does it with his hands and body only....every dynamic from the double bass comes directly from the touch of the player. We don't always play heavy you know....my teacher would kill me if I did.

Originally posted by Klimbim
Hey Brad,
so you've tried double bass out? Because I, too, played electric bass for a year before I started double bass as well. Just talkin' cold logic - Most double bassists play electric bass as well. I think most everyone, if NOT everyone here on the DB section plays BG as well, some of them do both of them at a pretty good standard....and definitely, the point you're trying to get across is that they're different - which is obviously true. But the people here on DB are in a pretty good position to compare technical difficulties on both instruments, since they play both, you know what I mean?

Yes, I've tried DB, still own one, never deluded myself into thinking that ability on one automatically transfers to the other. You seem to understand my point, that they're different. Understand also that I am not making a blanket statement, that I am not referring to anyone's ability on Talkbass, I'm referring to players I have met and known. I think I'm in a pretty good position to discuss them , know what I mean?;). I can also discuss my POV pretty well...it's based on my experiences.

You said you don't feel pain past the octave on a DB, were you using thumb position? I don't know anyone who didn't have some sort of soreness in their tender ol' thumbs when they started playing in those positions, so either, yes you were doing it wrong, or you are some sort of natural. :D

If we're discussing beginners , sure, pain is normal. I began in the mid 70's and am still progressing today.

Believe it or not there can be pain involved on toybass when working up to five fret stretches and developing callouses, etc. I didn't realize we were talking beginners, though but rather "equal" skill levels. So yes, in the beginning, I agree, there can be pain.

The DB and BG are very different, but it is a fact that the DB is a more difficult instrument to master; bowing techniques, getting a big full pizzi sound, and Intonation. I've seen people who have never touched an instrument before play some basic stuff on fretted BG in a couple of hours, and they get a pretty acceptable tone (no buzzing etc, at least it's clear. It's not big warm and round, but it doesn't sound too bad). I guess one major point is that a BG is very easy to pick up, but darned difficult to master. A DB is difficult to pick up from the onset, and also a bitch to master (if you ever do).

I could go point by point on this but I'll refer back to X's post and simply say "If you say it's a fact... okay";). BTW I've seen people who have never played an instrument before get a pretty acceptable tone on piano and percussion instruments, too. Hmmm...

Not trying to start a fight here, but I find this kind of amusing and ironic. You admit that most Dbers here don't have that snobbery stereotyping attitude towards BGers, but your very 1st post here stereotyped all of us into a big lump as being oversensitive, predictable...blah blah...maybe you should check that out first?

I guess I forgot I admitted that the snobbery doesn't exist (???), though I see it quite a bit here. Chris says it's in good fun... sounds like it exists to me.

Interesting indeed. This is from my first post: "Sooo... could you guys be more predictable?".

I don't want to tell anyone how to interpret that but maybe, just maybe could I be referring to the people who got a rise when whatshisname said "Gay"? Ya think?

Honest questions from BGers are always answered seriously, but I suppose some DBers here view this forum as a haven to discuss serious stuff, and really hate it when people mess it up. Personally I'm pretty much a lurker, and I don't care either way....for me this place is really good for solid info, as well as entertainment!

And you can bet that others look at this forum as a source of entertainment. Hard to imagine anyone PM'ing a buddy, telling them "watch this" as they intentionally post something silly in the DB forum or Pros forum that they know will automatically get someone's dander up. It's pretty much a running joke here on TB...hey, go say that down in DB and watch the smackdown. Yeah, that's pretty funny...every time :). Hey, it happens in the BG forums, too.

Also, about a DBer not being able to have a soft touch on a BG.....well, then I think you really might be quite off. A BGer has an added level of control over volume through the amp, and if he wants to play loud can just up the volume while keeping a soft touch. A DBer who wants to play pianississimo in chamber music or whatever does it with his hands and body only....every dynamic from the double bass comes directly from the touch of the player. We don't always play heavy you know....my teacher would kill me if I did.

You know, I could be off... maybe DB techniques do transfer automatically to tB and I haven't seen what I've seen. I have absolutely no problem with that. It's interesting that you mention stereotyping, it sounds as if DB'ers play classical music unamplified, by what you're saying. I know DB'ers who fit that bill and DB'ers who don't. Crazy, huh? Someone has to buy those pickups and Polytones (I still have mine), don't they;)

hey there,
well, you've tried a double bass, and own one, but you said it's now in pieces right? Did you learn it seriously? Got a teacher etc? How long did you learn it for? Well, it's hard to talk because I don't know how much you've played on a DB. Yep there definitely sure are jerks around, but they're everywhere man....maybe you sometimes are a bit oversensitive just because you expect DBers to diss BGers, and read a little too much into what people say.

The painful part is something I haven't experienced... I must be doing it wrong
well, when you say this, correct me if i'm wrong, there is an straight implication that you have never experienced the pain even when you started? you said you "haven't experienced"?........when I say "equal" skill levels, it just means the bassists are both equally proficient in their instrument, whether they are beginners or masters, see? From your posts you listen to DB, but you don't give the impression that you've actually learned it, or learned it seriously. Even if you've owned the bass for ages but don't practice often, no one is going to take you seriously as a doubler.

Sure there might be pain as well in building calluoses for BG, but if you really want to compare pain or callouses in a quantitative manner, you just have to compare the size of the callouses, or even the back pains from bending over to reach the lower positions. Sure I believe you that there will be pain in learning BG too, but geez maybe I better pan out to the big picture here.

Yes they are different instruments, you can't compare one as "better" than another cos sometimes a BG's sound or volume is what is needed, and sometimes it's the DB. But my main point which you seem to be missing is that a DB is a more difficult instrument to pick up and play, is physically more demanding, requires a better ear from the player cf the fretted BGer. Any bowed string instrument is very difficult to just pick up and play, to get a good tone, and to play in tune. A BG is much much easier in those aspects when compared. There's no snobbery there, I don't think I'm a better musician or bassists than BGers, maybe if some shifted over to the dark side they could be playing much better than me in a short time, but it takes an incredible amount of dedication and hard work to get an acceptable sound from a DB.


I could go point by point on this but I'll refer back to X's post and simply say "If you say it's a fact... okay
well this is quite patronizing, so I hope you would just state your points you have to make rather than resort to this. Go right ahead, point by point.....

as for piano and percussion...you're kidding right? Pianists don't have to work AS hard to get a tone, and as for percussion, alot of percussionists and conductors will have differing opinions on good tone.

Was just reading the posts after the guy said something about gay, found them quite funny actually. No one really blew his top at having his sexuality questioned, and the replies were more good humored than angry. Even XavierG had a fantastic pic to put up. In fact, the first rather annoyed post was by Jazzbo, a BGer. Maybe you didn't notice. Sure there were a couple of annoyed ones later, but those are pretty isolated.

Yep the flame wars sure are funny. This might get some people mad, but in the famous rosin thread, I always thought Hunter didn't do anything to deserve that treatment.....thought it quite blown up, but somehow I don't think it was because he was a BGer, as there are quite a few BGers who hang around the DB area just to talk and exchange ideas.

By the way, what's PM?

And frankly, you have to admit, the guy who started the thread....he might have been someone just having a bit of fun, but his webpage is just unintentionally hilarious. it STILL reads Matital status after all this while.....

Hmm for your last paragraph, I don't really understand.
"it sounds as if DB'ers play classical music unamplified".....erm....we do? Or unless it was an attempt to say that ALL DBers just play classical exclusively? In that case, well obviously not.....personally I don't play jazz or bluegrass, but have never used an amp. I DID mention chamber music right? Even for people with amps, when they practice, they might not use it as much. There is something very organic about being totally in control (or trying to be :)) of the instrument. Perhaps self-taught bassists might be more heavy handed (sorry self taught bassists! but, really....a teacher is essential), but those of us who learn from classical based teachers really learn how to control your bass. Even the jazz guys advocate classical training.

Hope you just get the big picture which I've outlined above....yes it's different, no, one instrument is not better than another, I'm just saying that it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results.

Originally posted by Klimbim
By the way, what's PM?


that stands for private messaging - a way to exchange a private message with a fellow member. you access this by clicking on the "pm" icon above a user's post, next to their profile icon. then you can send them a message privately.

in fact, having read the whole thread, only a couple of people got annoyed at the thread. Even the people who usually do the smackdowns seemed more bemused than angry. And then the thread went into double bassists dissing each other and themselves, in addition to dissing paz, and then after a while, England and beanburgers came into the picture. it seemed pretty light all in all.....

SLIMJIM,

You should remember two things when getting into a discussion with BAD MONSOON: 1) As long as your name isn't Dann Glenn, nobody has to lose their sh*t during the conversation ;) , and... 2) (and this is my favorite part) As always, he could be wrong.

DBers may have the rep of getting inflamed at the slightest provocation up in FRETVILLE, but the truth is that most of the so-called "flame wars" I've seen around here are really just ironic comedy. I'm sure I'm risking getting in trouble and getting contradicted by saying this, but the only REAL flame wars I've gotten into on the board have been up in BGland. I won't go so far as to say that I'm proud of everything I said in those few threads, but I can say with absolute certainty that I did feel that everyone who got a flame directed at them in those cases deserved what they got.

Peace everyone,

FSCOTCHTAPE

Since nobody challenged the wording of the title of this thread can I assume that BGists are normal and DBers, uh, hmm, abnormal?

I play both so I must really be a can of worms. :)

Having played both, I can say from experience that even though no one is going to get real good overnight on either, the DB is much harder to learn to play. No slam on BG players. It's just the nature of the beast.

In my opinion, genre options are much more limited on DB.

As far as whether DBers hate BGers. That's totally rediculous. I don't recall the word "hate" being used much at all on the DB forum. It seems to be used a lot on the BG forum, though.

IMHO it's all in fun.

I have to give credit where credit is due, though. If not for the DB forum I would have never learned to read music. I'm still slow as the seven year itch but dammit I can now read. After 40 years of being totally illiterate in my craft, I can actually read! And I'm not talking about tab either. :) I'm so proud of me.

Pkr2

Hmmm... I see my name getting dragged into this dispute, which is fine, considering I did take the time to post my observations. However, I feel the need to clarify my last post - by no means did I intend to suggest that migrating from BG to DB is an easy task. When I said I could play that DB, I meant that I could thump away and come up with something resembling a credible bass line. By no means did I mean to suggest that I felt I had the same proficiency on DB as on BG. Other than that, I'm not gertting myself worked up over this thread. "Gay"? Whatever! If I've learned anything on Talkbass, it's that there are quite a number of folks who come riding through with a very immature attitude. That attitude is reflected in the way they present their views, in combination with their less-than-scholastic vocabulary. Unfortunately, that immaturity seems to shine when their somewhat misguded posts appear on this side of the forums. Life goes on.


P.S. I guess I'm a BG'er, but I have nothing but respect for DB'ers (and most anybody else regardless of instrument choice). I'm sure most folks here feel the same. If someone SERIOUSLY dislikes ANOTHER simply because he plays a different instrument, that someone deserves all the respect due him ....NONE! That having been said, I doubt that 'paz' meant any harm.

Originally posted by pkr2
Since nobody challenged the wording of the title of this thread can I assume that BGists are normal and DBers, uh, hmm, abnormal?

I play both so I must really be a can of worms. :)

Me too. I guess that makes us a couple of cans of worms.

Having played both, I can say from experience that even though no one is going to get real good overnight on either, the DB is much harder to learn to play. No slam on BG players. It's just the nature of the beast.

Amen.


As far as whether DBers hate BGers. That's totally ridiculous. I don't recall the word "hate" being used much at all on the DB forum. It seems to be used a lot on the BG forum, though.

IMHO it's all in fun.

Preach it, brother!

I have to give credit where credit is due, though. If not for the DB forum I would have never learned to read music. I'm still slow as the seven year itch but dammit I can now read. After 40 years of being totally illiterate in my craft, I can actually read! And I'm not talking about tab either. :) I'm so proud of me.



I think this last part is best of all. Congrats!

Originally posted by Klimbim
hey there,
well, you've tried a double bass, and own one, but you said it's now in pieces right? Did you learn it seriously? Got a teacher etc? How long did you learn it for? Well, it's hard to talk because I don't know how much you've played on a DB. Yep there definitely sure are jerks around, but they're everywhere man....maybe you sometimes are a bit oversensitive just because you expect DBers to diss BGers, and read a little too much into what people say. [/]

Let's see if this will help clear up some "confusion" here:

[b]Take a step back (you've already re-read the thread) and ask yourself... is there ANY other way that what Mr Monsoon's been saying can be taken?

Overly sensitive?... okay...where?:D. In my mind I'm having a calm, rational, friendly conversation here. The fact that I don't agree with everything being said doesn not mean I'm in the least bit bothered by any of it. I'm still not (gotta conserve those smileys...there's a limit). I did and do find it funny that a juvenile comment like "Gay" can garner the same responses, over and over.

well, when you say this, correct me if i'm wrong, there is an straight implication that you have never experienced the pain even when you started? you said you "haven't experienced"?........when I say "equal" skill levels, it just means the bassists are both equally proficient in their instrument, whether they are beginners or masters, see? From your posts you listen to DB, but you don't give the impression that you've actually learned it, or learned it seriously. Even if you've owned the bass for ages but don't practice often, no one is going to take you seriously as a doubler.

I don't recall asking anyone to take me seriously as a doubler...not sure where you got that impression. In any event, no, I don't expect people to take me seriously as a doubler. If that means I can't be taken seriously as a bassist ...cool.

I got my upright in the late 80's with every intention of gaining proficiency on it. I had already been playing electric for a few years. As fate would have it, being newly married and a new father in addition to a demanding dayjob and fairly busy gigging schedule, something had to give. I did take instruction on upright but hardly to the level I would considered ideal. When it broke at the neck/body joint, instead of having it repaired, I decided to concentrate on toybass. I'd been playing fretless and fretted for a few years. During my time with the DB I already had callouses and had already been doing pretty wide fingering stretches. Maybe it should have hurt more but it didn't. Sorry.

Sure there might be pain as well in building calluoses for BG, but if you really want to compare pain or callouses in a quantitative manner, you just have to compare the size of the callouses, or even the back pains from bending over to reach the lower positions. Sure I believe you that there will be pain in learning BG too, but geez maybe I better pan out to the big picture here.

Yes they are different instruments, you can't compare one as "better" than another cos sometimes a BG's sound or volume is what is needed, and sometimes it's the DB. But my main point which you seem to be missing is that a DB is a more difficult instrument to pick up and play, is physically more demanding, requires a better ear from the player cf the fretted BGer. Any bowed string instrument is very difficult to just pick up and play, to get a good tone, and to play in tune. A BG is much much easier in those aspects when compared. There's no snobbery there, I don't think I'm a better musician or bassists than BGers, maybe if some shifted over to the dark side they could be playing much better than me in a short time, but it takes an incredible amount of dedication and hard work to get an acceptable sound from a DB.

Didn't experience back pains (I'm 6'2"), already had pretty good callouses from years of using Rotosound roundwounds. Had no intention of playing the DB bowed, didn't really feel the need in a Jazz mode, etc. Are you sure I'm the one who's overly sensitive here?;). These have been my experiences but I appreciate you showing me the error in my memories.

well this is quite patronizing, so I hope you would just state your points you have to make rather than resort to this. Go right ahead, point by point.....

Sorry.

I have a problem when people who don't understand what I'm saying, no matter how simply I try to put thing. It's obvious that I'll either insult them by getting too elementary in my statements or I'll spend the next few days explaining over and over what I've already said. The other option is to just leave it alone.

as for piano and percussion...you're kidding right? Pianists don't have to work AS hard to get a tone, and as for percussion, alot of percussionists and conductors will have differing opinions on good tone.

No I wasn't kidding. "Differing opinions", as you just mentioned is key. Who decides what good tone is? What context? Again, this is not strictly about DB in a classical environment, if that's where you want to keep it, cool. DB is obviously used elsewhere.

To say that someone can pick up a bass guitar and get an acceptable tone IMO is not less valid than saying the same about striking a piano key. It displays no proficiency on the instrument and unless you plan on playing only "Wipeout" on it...so what? I keep saying that playing anything well is hard... it's a story I'm still sticking to. (insert surplus smileys here). Feel free to disagree.

Was just reading the posts after the guy said something about gay, found them quite funny actually. No one really blew his top at having his sexuality questioned, and the replies were more good humored than angry. Even XavierG had a fantastic pic to put up. In fact, the first rather annoyed post was by Jazzbo, a BGer. Maybe you didn't notice. Sure there were a couple of annoyed ones later, but those are pretty isolated.

What makes you think I didn't notice?

Yep the flame wars sure are funny. This might get some people mad, but in the famous rosin thread, I always thought Hunter didn't do anything to deserve that treatment.....thought it quite blown up, but somehow I don't think it was because he was a BGer, as there are quite a few BGers who hang around the DB area just to talk and exchange ideas.

Okay, then why was it? Just curious.

I find flame wars amusing sometimes myself. It's that whole willingness to look stupid in public for the amusement of others thing, I guess.

By the way, what's PM?

JT answered that.

And frankly, you have to admit, the guy who started the thread....he might have been someone just having a bit of fun, but his webpage is just unintentionally hilarious. it STILL reads Matital status after all this while.....

Hmm for your last paragraph, I don't really understand.
"it sounds as if DB'ers play classical music unamplified".....erm....we do? Or unless it was an attempt to say that ALL DBers just play classical exclusively? In that case, well obviously not.....personally I don't play jazz or bluegrass, but have never used an amp. I DID mention chamber music right? Even for people with amps, when they practice, they might not use it as much. There is something very organic about being totally in control (or trying to be :)) of the instrument. Perhaps self-taught bassists might be more heavy handed (sorry self taught bassists! but, really....a teacher is essential), but those of us who learn from classical based teachers really learn how to control your bass. Even the jazz guys advocate classical training.

Seriously, not trying to pick a nit but I don't find illiteracy funny, I find it sad. There's a guy who sells stuff on the web who is always spouting off about his "increadable" deals... was third grade really that difficult? :smiles:

I can understand why you're not understanding me. Are you actually reading what I'm saying? You keep mentioning bowing and playing unamplified as if that's what DB is about. It's more than that, I'm pretty sure you know that yet you keep talking about these aspects alone as if they're deciding factors on a difficulty scale. You say I admit that there's no DB snobbery, again I don't know where you got that idea, I think there obviously is. Unlike you I am not speaking in absolutes. I've mentioned fretless BG several times, I guess you just lump that in with fretted. I am not saying all Db'er have trouble with electric, I'm saying some that I know or have met have mentioned just that. Some say it's not as easy as they thought it would be. Then again, maybe that didn't happen.

Hope you just get the big picture which I've outlined above....yes it's different, no, one instrument is not better than another, I'm just saying that it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results.

If you say so.

*smiles*



edit: I got my DB in the early 80's... oops

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
SLIMJIM,

You should remember two things when getting into a discussion with BAD MONSOON: 1) As long as your name isn't Dann Glenn, nobody has to lose their sh*t during the conversation ;) , and... 2) (and this is my favorite part) As always, he could be wrong.

Okay, now I've been Fuqua'd and Durrled. Durrled is better;)... but I miss Ed:D

*snip* ('cause I can)
Peace everyone,

Same to you, Chris.

FSCOTCHTAPE

Jeezus, there's gotta be a bar around here somewhere....

Hey Ho,
I guess Chris had some pretty good advice, but here I go:

This really has the potential to be frustrating as you think one thing and I think one thing....you said you're not the one speaking in absolutes but obviously you are...when did I say there is NO DB snobbery? This is a direct quote from me:

"You admit that most Dbers here don't have that snobbery stereotyping attitude towards BGers"
the see the keyword "most"?

Well where I got this from is when you said that
"I'd imagine what you say is true for some and maybe most down here but I've seen some attitudes towards toybass (pretty clever monicker, huh?) that didn't seem to be in that spirit, particularly the stereotyping"

so did you really mean that or were you just saying something for the sake of saying something? It's weird that you are claiming DB snobbery and yet you have a distinct patronizing flavour to your posts.....I don't think I'm being oversensitive here, phrases like "if you say so" aren't particularly polite....I think Americans call it passive aggresive?

Well, for the comment on you not being taken seriously as a doubler, you seemed to have missed my point :) you were saying that you could comment based on your experiences for playing both DB abd BG. If you would recall I mentioned that most of the DBers here play BG on a serious level too, in addition to serious DB, and therefore would be more suited to comment on the differences, which was and still is my main point.....that the DB is harder to pick up and play. But you haven't really played much, and as for lack of bowing, well, there are a huge number of people who bow in the jazz mode, not only in classical, maybe you haven't heard them before? Also, if you would refer to some of the earlier posts by the more experienced ones here in DB, bowing is an incredible way to learn your instrument, regardless of what you play. And please, no one implied that becos you don't play DB that you can't be considered a real bassist, so don't add in stuff which I didn't say? It's basic politeness.

I do believe that it was because that the comment was so juveline and immature that some (very few!!) of the people got annoyed at the stupidity and rudeness, not because they were being called "gay".

"These have been my experiences but I appreciate you showing me the error in my memories." really have no idea what you're refering to here, as you put it immediately after my paragraph with the "big picture". So you're saying that you DON'T agree the DB is harder to pick up and play? You're saying that a BG is really the same level of difficulty to play a C major scale in 2 octaves for the DB? Even without the bow....Well, maybe you are really a natural for DB, and should have continued, and therefore your past experience seems so different from most of the rest here. (just read the other posts? aren't they saying that the DB is harder to pick up than the BG?).

And there is no need to keep using terms like toybass and realbass on me, I don't even use those terms.

No no you're right, the DB is used in lots of other genres besides classical, but most DBers took it up because they love the acoustic sound. Most don't practice amped, and ALOT of them bow, even tho they don't "have" to, in the "jazz mode".

"To say that someone can pick up a bass guitar and get an acceptable tone IMO is not less valid than saying the same about striking a piano key. It displays no proficiency on the instrument and unless you plan on playing only "Wipeout" on it...so what? I keep saying that playing anything well is hard... it's a story I'm still sticking to. (insert surplus smileys here). Feel free to disagree. "

sigh....no one is arguing on you for this, so please don't act as if I or anyone else has said that a BG isnt' difficult to master. It's quite funny actually to watch you claim things that are so obvious and that no one is debating against you for......playing anything well IS hard, but a DB is harder to pick up and start out on cf a BG. Thats my point....notice you never address this, but like to go into nitty gritty details about tapping and stuff.

"what makes you think I didn't notice?".......? Don't understand this at all. Did you or did you not notice? If you did notice, are you lumping jazzbo in with the "predictable lot"?

As for Hunter, keep in mind that I didn't see anything really wrong in what he did to deserve that treatment, but I think that his "errors" were that he was immature and rude, and especially since he was talking to people many years his senior and experience, it was just not cool. Apparently after he apologized, he bitched about it on the BG side, which I can understand why he would want to personally, but it wasn't too nice since some DBers go there too. But I thought he got alot more than he deserved.

Well seriously, Brad, I think everyone else here realises that Paz is not illiterate, only that whoever did that website had a typo. "R" is next to "T" you see. Matital was just a typo of Marital, and therefore his typo was amusing, see? Increadable is pretty pathetic though.

As for absolutes, besides saying that a DB is harder to pick up, where else have I done that? As for you speaking in absolutes, just refer to the top.

As for fretless, I think Chris already mentioned that above the octave, it's much easier physically to play than a DB, in addition to having the same problems of intonation as a DB. And NO NO NO before you start jumping on this, I'm in no way saying a fretless is easy to master, it's definitely hard to play, and my intonation no doubt would be really funky on it.

"Hope you just get the big picture which I've outlined above....yes it's different, no, one instrument is not better than another, I'm just saying that it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results. "

so you disagree with this paragraph?

oh by the way XavierG, I mentioned you not becos of that post, but because of the picture you put up early on....the bass with the sails was really good....

Wow, where's Bruce when you need him? This thing is turning into a serious LINDFIELDING contest...

Originally posted by Klimbim
Hey Ho,
I guess Chris had some pretty good advice, but here I go:

This really has the potential to be frustrating as you think one thing and I think one thing....you said you're not the one speaking in absolutes but obviously you are...when did I say there is NO DB snobbery? This is a direct quote from me:

"You admit that most Dbers here don't have that snobbery stereotyping attitude towards BGers"
the see the keyword "most"?

Well where I got this from is when you said that
"I'd imagine what you say is true for some and maybe most down here but I've seen some attitudes towards toybass (pretty clever monicker, huh?) that didn't seem to be in that spirit, particularly the stereotyping"

see the keyword "maybe"?;)
so did you really mean that or were you just saying something for the sake of saying something? It's weird that you are claiming DB snobbery and yet you have a distinct patronizing flavour to your posts.....I don't think I'm being oversensitive here, phrases like "if you say so" aren't particularly polite....I think Americans call it passive aggresive?

Please tell me the tone of voice I used when I said that? If I say "okay, fair enough, if you say so" is that patronizing? I think passive aggressive is not an American term, it's a description of behavior used both here and elsewhere. If you want to think that I had to mean it in a patronizing way, cool... if you say so.

Actually I think I'm being very polite but this has been on the road to inane for quite a while now.

Well, for the comment on you not being taken seriously as a doubler, you seemed to have missed my point :) you were saying that you could comment based on your experiences for playing both DB abd BG. If you would recall I mentioned that most of the DBers here play BG on a serious level too, in addition to serious DB, and therefore would be more suited to comment on the differences, which was and still is my main point.....that the DB is harder to pick up and play.

"More suited" than me to talk about my experiences? I guess you're serious so... cool.

My point still is that all I was relating was MY (meaning my own personal) experiences:D. This had squat to do with anyone else here, regardless of their level. Why my relating MY experiences and interaction with SOME DB'ers on a personal level (NOT PEOPLE ON TALKBASS) is causing you this much consternation, I'll admit, is a mystery to me.

But you haven't really played much, and as for lack of bowing, well, there are a huge number of people who bow in the jazz mode, not only in classical, maybe you haven't heard them before? Also, if you would refer to some of the earlier posts by the more experienced ones here in DB, bowing is an incredible way to learn your instrument, regardless of what you play. And please, no one implied that becos you don't play DB that you can't be considered a real bassist, so don't add in stuff which I didn't say? It's basic politeness.

Jiminy Crickets!:). Let me try this one more time:
When talking of relative difficulty YOU focus on getting a good sound bowing and playing unamplified. Fine, if you meant to set this up as a comparison of whether a DB'er could play a fretted bass vs. a toy bassists being able to bow or play without a pickup...that would have been fine. You didn't. It was a general, hypothetical situation that you want to believe has an absolute answer. Fine.

Riddle me this: why would a DB'er have an easier time triple thumping and two handed tapping a bass guitar than a tB'er would have bowing an upright. You obviously think that one is easier than the other. I still disagree... I still think I'm allowed to.

I do believe that it was because that the comment was so juveline and immature that some (very few!!) of the people got annoyed at the stupidity and rudeness, not because they were being called "gay".

Thicker skin is free. Why let any of this bother you. I don't.

"These have been my experiences but I appreciate you showing me the error in my memories." really have no idea what you're refering to here, as you put it immediately after my paragraph with the "big picture". So you're saying that you DON'T agree the DB is harder to pick up and play? You're saying that a BG is really the same level of difficulty to play a C major scale in 2 octaves for the DB? Even without the bow....Well, maybe you are really a natural for DB, and should have continued, and therefore your past experience seems so different from most of the rest here. (just read the other posts? aren't they saying that the DB is harder to pick up than the BG?).

I keep telling you what I've experienced, you keep telling me I'm wrong. Hmmm...

Anyhoo, nice to know that the sum total of acoustic bassdom is represented here. Look, you think it's harder but apparently that's not enough so..

I think it's harder, too. Really.

And there is no need to keep using terms like toybass and realbass on me, I don't even use those terms.

Just keeping in the spirit of the forum. Sorry. Toy bass doesn't bother me one iota. It's a word.

No no you're right, the DB is used in lots of other genres besides classical, but most DBers took it up because they love the acoustic sound. Most don't practice amped, and ALOT of them bow, even tho they don't "have" to, in the "jazz mode".

There's your side to this and then ... there's your side ;). Picking up the DB because you love the acoustic sound is rather redundant, isn't it? I'm always amused when someone tells me what "most" people of any bent do... was there a meeting?

"To say that someone can pick up a bass guitar and get an acceptable tone IMO is not less valid than saying the same about striking a piano key. It displays no proficiency on the instrument and unless you plan on playing only "Wipeout" on it...so what? I keep saying that playing anything well is hard... it's a story I'm still sticking to. (insert surplus smileys here). Feel free to disagree. "

sigh....no one is arguing on you for this, so please don't act as if I or anyone else has said that a BG isnt' difficult to master. It's quite funny actually to watch you claim things that are so obvious and that no one is debating against you for

This is truly funny. Was the love the acoustic sound thing NOT obvious? Geez.

......playing anything well IS hard, but a DB is harder to pick up and start out on cf a BG. Thats my point....notice you never address this, but like to go into nitty gritty details about tapping and stuff.

If you don't think I've been addressing this the entire time...that explains so much. What do you think I've been addressing?

"what makes you think I didn't notice?".......? Don't understand this at all. Did you or did you not notice? If you did notice, are you lumping jazzbo in with the "predictable lot"?

Yes, as much as I'm "jumping" on anyone else. And you talk about sensitive?

As for Hunter, keep in mind that I didn't see anything really wrong in what he did to deserve that treatment, but I think that his "errors" were that he was immature and rude, and especially since he was talking to people many years his senior and experience, it was just not cool. Apparently after he apologized, he bitched about it on the BG side, which I can understand why he would want to personally, but it wasn't too nice since some DBers go there too. But I thought he got alot more than he deserved.

Well seriously, Brad, I think everyone else here realises that Paz is not illiterate, only that whoever did that website had a typo. "R" is next to "T" you see. Matital was just a typo of Marital, and therefore his typo was amusing, see? Increadable is pretty pathetic though.

But less pathetic than matital? Okay, IYSS.

I'm sure the jibes about his website's spelling weren't directed at him. Bear in mind, I could care less what anyone here laughs at. That's okay, isn't it?

As for absolutes, besides saying that a DB is harder to pick up, where else have I done that? As for you speaking in absolutes, just refer to the top.

As for fretless, I think Chris already mentioned that above the octave, it's much easier physically to play than a DB, in addition to having the same problems of intonation as a DB. And NO NO NO before you start jumping on this, I'm in no way saying a fretless is easy to master, it's definitely hard to play, and my intonation no doubt would be really funky on it.

"Hope you just get the big picture which I've outlined above....yes it's different, no, one instrument is not better than another, I'm just saying that it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results. "

so you disagree with this paragraph?

*Sigh* Is this an absolute? *smiles*

Unless you consider this a statement of fact then I think it is within my rights to diasgree with some of this paragraph. I've been saying all along that they're different. That's not where I have a problem.

As for this part:"it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results." let me ask you this:

1.Who are the people each player is playing with?

2. Who is the audience?

3. Who is the player?

If you do not understand that the DB'er could be Edgar Meyer or Lee Rocker, that the electric bassists could be Gary Willis or Fieldy, cool.

Is Lee happy with less than Edgar's tone. Does Lee bow? Does Fieldy need to play Bop heads on his Ibanez or is he happy micing the tweeter. Do his fans dig that sound?

If you don't realize that the audience could be fans of classical, Jazz, Bluegrass, Metal, Rockabilly, Pop, Zydeco, who knows...with all of these variables...

no, I do not agree with you.

As an aside, the terms TOYBASS and REALBASS - to the best of my knowledge - were first introduced to the TB vocabulary by none other than David Kaczorowsksdfiuzhsxkcvghbzsof. David, otherwise known as CRACKHOUSEKEY to those who spend much time down here, is the proud owner of a Handmade Tobias 5 string. From the point of view of this not-so-innocent bystander, usage of both terms on this board has appeared to be strictly for amusement purposes. I think it's a safe bet to say that if Mr. Kaczorowsksdfhasdufhaosgvgb had thought he had anything to add to this month's edition of LINDFIELDDOME, we'd have heard it by now.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :cool:

"Riddle me this: why would a DB'er have an easier time triple thumping and two handed tapping a bass guitar than a tB'er would have bowing an upright. You obviously think that one is easier than the other. I still disagree... I still think I'm allowed to. "

well this is an easy one: because triple thumping and 2 handed tapping are ADVANCED techniques for BG. Bowing on the other hand is a BASIC technique for bassists. Ask any serious bassist, including those that don't intend to use the bow for performance.....bowing is something you start out with. Sure, some don't, but it really should be the way, just like getting a teacher. Obviously you're allowed to disagree, but you are basically comparing a difficult technique for advanced players with a basic technique for beginners. It would be, in this case, more appropriate to compare bowing, or even plucking with a non-disgusting sound on the DB to 2-fingered walking on the BG, you see? Do you disagree with this? not much of a riddle there, I think.

Nope it doesn't bother me, you're mistaken if you think it did. I found it funny actually, that he was calling bows gay. If you would notice, I did not come into this post blazing when paz did that, so why assume I was annoyed with him?

Well as for what you've experienced, you haven't really said what you've experienced clearly, you know. Explain it slowly then, and so will I. What is it that you have against my main point, which you disagree with? I've kept saying the DB is harder to PICK UP than the BG, and you've always avoided that, till this last reply from you where you granted me that in one sentence, but went on to pick on other stuff.

Seeing as you're married and have a kid, I would expect more maturity in the replies from you: saying things like "anyhoo nice to know that the sum total of acoustic bassdom is represented here. " doesn't serve any purpose to discuss proper points you know what I mean? When I've shown irritation it's because you haven't given straight replies, which I think I'm entitled to, since I've been giving you as straight replies as much as I possibly can. I've only been playing 2 years, so I don't claim to know much on other things, but the main point is still there. Why not look at the other replies that Don and Pkr2 gave? My main point that DB is just a harder instrument to pick up was reinterated there. I don't represent anybody else but myself, and the part where I mentioned other bassists, I happen to know a bunch of other dbers, not just classical, and they don't practice amped. Nope no meeting was needed, just common sense. You know enough to admit that it's redundant to say Dbers pick the instrument due to the love of the sound, but you seem unable to extrapolate that info that DBers would practice WITH that acoustic sound? Or they fall in love with the acoustic sound and then practice amped. Doesn't make much sense there does it? No meeting needed Brad.

"This is truly funny. Was the love the acoustic sound thing NOT obvious? Geez.".....I think you misunderstood something here? There was nothing...NOTHING...in that paragraph which I wrote before you wrote this that mentioned love the acoustic sound. This is what I said:

"sigh....no one is arguing on you for this, so please don't act as if I or anyone else has said that a BG isnt' difficult to master. It's quite funny actually to watch you claim things that are so obvious and that no one is debating against you for"........you see you see?


Ok Brad, so you say "If you don't think I've been addressing this the entire time...that explains so much. What do you think I've been addressing?"....so please answer this. In the last few posts, I've repeated myself so many many times that my main point was that the DB is harder to pick up than the BG". I've used the same wording, and frankly it was really tiring to keep doing that. Please quote yourself here where you have addressed this issue that you say the DB is or is NOT easier to pick up an play. I'm not talking advanced techniques, but basic techniques. That's what picking up means doesn't it? Or were you tapping and thumping from day 1? Even if you want to discount bowing (which again, I say, not only classical players use), just to get a sound out of the thing without buzzing or getting good intonation on pizzi alone.

""what makes you think I didn't notice?".......? Don't understand this at all. Did you or did you not notice? If you did notice, are you lumping jazzbo in with the "predictable lot"?
Yes, as much as I'm "jumping" on anyone else. And you talk about sensitive? "
again here, I am begging for a straight answer. Did you notice? And if so, did you include jazzbo in the predictable comment? Maybe again you're reading too much into this as being aggressive.

As for this "But less pathetic than matital? Okay, IYSS"......I guess I really do have to spell out the difference here....thought it was pretty obvious.

1. Matital is a typo, hence it does not represent illiteracy, and therefore is not exactly pathetic.
2. Increadable is NOT a typo, it just shows the guy can't spell, hence is rather pathetic, though maybe his first language is not English, and then you can't fault it.

"Bear in mind, I could care less what anyone here laughs at. That's okay, isn't it? "
sure it's ok Brad! But apparently you cared enough to give your 2 cents worth on other people's reactions!(not about laughing though...no no no) to call them predictable and Pavlovian.

"Unless you consider this a statement of fact then I think it is within my rights to diasgree with some of this paragraph. I've been saying all along that they're different. That's not where I have a problem. "
again statements like these are unnecessary. I think you would notice (then again you might not) that I've really been answering point by point all the way, and not implying that I am a god....yes Brad, you may disagree.

"As for this part:"it takes more dedication and hardwork for a DBer to produce a tone which the people he plays with, the audience and the player himself like, as compared to a BGer to produce the same results." let me ask you this:

1.Who are the people each player is playing with?
2. Who is the audience?
3. Who is the player?

If you do not understand that the DB'er could be Edgar Meyer or Lee Rocker, that the electric bassists could be Gary Willis or Fieldy, cool.

Is Lee happy with less than Edgar's tone. Does Lee bow? Does Fieldy need to play Bop heads on his Ibanez or is he happy micing the tweeter. Do his fans dig that sound?

If you don't realize that the audience could be fans of classical, Jazz, Bluegrass, Metal, Rockabilly, Pop, Zydeco, who knows...with all of these variables..."

Nope you missed the point again. Even within your points you're not really making sense. My paragraph says that a DBer has to work harder to get an acceptable level than a BGer. I don't understand what this has to do with any comparisons in style, no matter what style you play, you need to work hard to get to a level. Please let's leave different genres alone. If we can maybe assume (something i thought tremendously obvious) that since the player and the people he's playing with ARE playing together, and the audience are there to watch, that they ALL like the same style? Whatever style you want to imagine to help you understand this better, put it right in. Whether the bassist is bowing or not, or whatever. It makes no difference to my main point again (!)...which is that's it more difficult to PICK UP THE DOUBLE BASS AND PLAY.....we are NOT talking virtuosos here, or ADVANCED TECHNIQUES. Can you at least comprehend that? I am saying (hopefully you get this by now) that the double bass harder to pick up than the BG. EM did not just pick up the DB, and neither did Flea just pick up the BG, and hence, they do not make sense in main point. I HAVE mentioned this main point before right? So therefore

1. It doesn't matter
2. It doesn't matter
3. It doesn't matter

No matter what style you play, I'm not saying "it is harder to be good on the DB than on the BG". Can you get that? I'm talking Beginners here man....."pick up" means beginner you see?

"Actually I think I'm being very polite but this has been on the road to inane for quite a while now." [Brad]

This line popped out like it was written in red ink.

Pkr2

This has been on the road to inane for quite a while now.

PKR - kinda like that? ;)

Yep. :)

yeah, i agree.

uh - huh.

Is it just me or is no one else willing to beat this dead horse?

DB was harder for Klimbim and many others here to pick up. I am not debating that. I have not taken issue with that.

If you think that triple thumping and two handed tapping is an advanced technique you probably haven't been in a music shop in a while;). Kids who have been playing only a few months are doing it. Sure, they can't solo over changes but they can mimic lots of Vic Wootens's stuff already.

You keep restaging the scenario, is it beginner or people of equal skill levels? Nothing like a moving target:D

The constant whining about not getting a straight answer is hilarious. For instance you asked me about Jazzbo, what about "yes" didn't you understand. If you consider what I'm doing "jumping" on people, "yes", he's been included. Did I 'not" say that? That means I've answered in the affirmative, right-o, aye Cap'n, Si, etc.;. Geez:rolleyes:


Klimbim, in all seriousness, when you learn to read a straight answer you may realize how many you've been given. In any event, right now you don't get what I'm saying, apparently you either can't or won't get what I'm saying and as much as I don't mind this silliness... it's gotten old.
So I'll just leave it alone. Again...DB is harder for beginners.

Happy? Is that absolute enough for ya?

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
For instance you asked me about Jazzbo, what about "yes" didn't you understand. If you consider what I'm doing "jumping" on people, "yes", he's been included. Did I 'not" say that? That means I've answered in the affirmative, right-o, aye Cap'n, Si, etc.;. Geez:rolleyes:

Um....huh? I just saw my name! How did I get in this?!

jb, according to my new best friend, I was jumping on people here for having a response to the gay comment. Klimbim asked if I had noticed what you said and was I jumping on you, too?

I said that if he considered what I was doing as jumping on anyone, yes, you would be included in that. Nothing worse than an overly sensitive attacker:D

Maybe my initial comments weren't comments at all but rather attacks on everyone here... at this point I know what I said and it reflected what I meant but I'm dealing with someone who just doesn't want to take what is said at face value.

What happened was IMO predictable... you can bet that's why paz said it twice. It got the response he wanted.

This has been on the road to inane for some time now...

(sigh...) I just LOVE that shade of red...Aside from highlighting a point, it's just so darned PRETTY , don't you think?

Has anyone tried playing Arco on a Swingmaster?

Any thoughts on the tone?

Originally posted by gruffpuppy
Has anyone tried playing Arco on a Swingmaster?

Any thoughts on the tone?

PUFFGRUBBY,

ARCO on a SWINGMASTER????? :rolleyes: You are, like...., so GAY. ;) Like, ohmyGoooood!........

Regards,

*ISS FISHJELLO

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald


PUFFGRUBBY,

ARCO on a SWINGMASTER????? :rolleyes: You are, like...., so GAY. ;) Like, ohmyGoooood!........

Regards,

*ISS FISHJELLO

Oh yea well . . .well. . . You are glue and I am rubber. . . Oh never mind.

:D

This thread takes "pissing match" to a new level, this is not your typical Lindfielding. ... It's Homeric.:D

Originally posted by TonyS
This thread takes "pissing match" to a new level, this is not your typical Lindfielding. ... It's Homeric.:D


Bruce has a brother named HOMER? Kinda like Sherlock and Mycroft, eh? Interesting.....

well, Brad, I'm tired too.....we seemed to be arguing from different points. Sure we probably both have our own experiences to back up our own comments, but since we're coming from different places, we're never going to agree.

But I still feel saying things like "my new best friend" and other patronizing things don't serve a proper discussion well.

As for a moving target, I think everyone else here, if nothing else, is really sick of my "main point", which hasn't moved at all for the last few posts. Maybe you just need some time to react.

Also another thing, I started with players on the same level, and then used beginners as my main point thereafter. "Beginners for both instruments" are a subset of "players on the same level", in case you didn't realise it. It's not moving at all Brad, but just going into a specific example. "when I say "equal" skill levels, it just means the bassists are both equally proficient in their instrument, whether they are beginners or masters, see? " I already mentioned it long ago, Brad.

I don't believe I was sensitive at all, certainly not to "gay" , but was more irritated the way you were smileying your way through saying things like "whatever you say" and such like. Can you imagine you trying to talk to a friend about something serious and he keeps doing that? Just try and discuss it point by point? But then again we were coming from different places, so maybe it was useless from the start. Phrases like "maybe I didn't see what I saw" or "thanks for showing me the error of my experience" are hardly calm, friendly and absolutely not "rational".

"triple thumping and two handed tapping is an advanced technique you probably haven't been in a music shop in a while. Kids who have been playing only a few months are doing it. Sure, they can't solo over changes but they can mimic lots of Vic Wootens's stuff already."
just feel you are really reaching here....it's not the first few things they learn is it? You can understand what "beginner" means? If they can do it, it just means they're working their butts really hard, it in no way implies that this is a beginner technique.

Well, I don't have any beef with the BG at all, but just feel in a serious discussion, you could have done better to plan out your points.

I'm not implying that your experiences are wrong, but you do have very limited DB experience. If no one else wanted to beat this dead horse, at least notice that many posts ago, I already gave my main point, and though you're proclaiming now that you didn't argue it, you certainly did not address it when I first mentioned it did you? Even when I outlined it (should have used bold maybe) as the main point, it took quite a few posts before you talked about it. In a normal intelligent conversation, if one person says "my main point is blah blah", the other person would normally address that point won't he? But the first time I wrote that, you talked about back pains. Very straight(!) answer Brad.

"If I say "okay, fair enough, if you say so" is that patronizing? " you said this? I really don't recall a "fair enough". All you had was an "if you say so" and a smiles after that. You don't seem that dumb, if you were talking to someone and they said "if you say so" while grinning at you, you really would think "oh goody he sees my point!"? I think I'm really not being sensitive here,just be truthful with yourself,weren't you being sarcastic here? Would you want your son to grin and say "if you say so dad" to you when you're trying to talk about something serious to him? Please open your mind just one second, and think about this.

In one of the earlier posts I had talked about how it's not impossible for a DBer to have a soft touch, and you said "maybe i'm off, and DB technique really DOES transfer automatically to BG". Well, who on earth said that? I said it's not impossible, I didn't say it will transfer. It would really help alot if you don't keep saying things I didn't say. Did anyone at all say DB transfers to BG automatically well? How on earth did that pop into your mind?

""More suited" than me to talk about my experiences? " Nope Brad, you misunderstand again. More suited to talk about the differences between picking up the BG and DB, nothing to do with your experiences. Notice you quoted me out of context? Happily picking the "more suited" out of the "more suited to comment on the differences". Skillfully done....So please again, try to refrain from putting words into peoples mouths. I never said they were more suited to talk about your experiences. Sheesh.

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I'm trying to be objective here. You say it has squat to do with other people here, but aren't we discussing that the DB is harder to pick up than BG? (it's been the main point for 5 or 6 posts now, please don't say it's moving). Shouldn't that take more than 2 people's experiences? (statistically sound examples etc)

One more thing, I liked the way you first used the words ' "jumping" on people' and putting "jumping" in quotes as if you were quoting me. Then telling jazzbo I said you were jumping on people, as if I really said it. Geez Brad, this is really sad. I don't know if you're dyslexic or something, but I said lumping, which has a totally different meaning you know. Lumping as in putting all these people into a bunch? Again here we see your talent at twisting words. The only time I used the word jumping was as a disclaimer to a point I was making, about intonation on the DB. What do you make of this?

So far this hasn't really turned ugly, just dreary, but hey, no one has to read this if they don't want to right? I just want to state again that if you want to have a serious discussion, please refrain from all the comments like what I mentioned. Sorry for the really lengthy replies people, I know they're long, but I am just trying to address things point by point. Sorry if it's boring, but I guess no one really has to read if they don't want to.

Looks like we agree on the main point, though it took you very very long to address that. No Brad it wasn't moving. First it was a general example,and then it was a specific one, which stayed that way for a very long time. And no Jazzbo, no one claimed Brad was jumping on you or anyone else.

So what's the story on LIndfield? I remember him.

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
jb, according to my new best friend, I was jumping on people here for having a response to the gay comment. Klimbim asked if I had noticed what you said and was I jumping on you, too?

I said that if he considered what I was doing as jumping on anyone, yes, you would be included in that. Nothing worse than an overly sensitive attacker:D

Oh. I think I understand now. I had to go back and reread this whole thing again though. Don't make me do that again Brad! :D

While red is interesting, crimson rocks! I'm off to go practice!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Klimbim
well, Brad, I'm tired too.....we seemed to be arguing from different points. Sure we probably both have our own experiences to back up our own comments, but since we're coming from different places, we're never going to agree.

Obviously

But I still feel saying things like "my new best friend" and other patronizing things don't serve a proper discussion well.

Ever heard the term "lighten up"?

As for a moving target, I think everyone else here, if nothing else, is really sick of my "main point", which hasn't moved at all for the last few posts. Maybe you just need some time to react.

I seemed to have made a post that you then responded to. My point was simple, I've met DB'er who found BG not as easy as they thought. You come in with your examples which had nothing to do with my statement of my experiments. Your main point seems to be, no matter what my experiences have been, your opinion is more correct. IYSS.

Also another thing, I started with players on the same level, and then used beginners as my main point thereafter. "Beginners for both instruments" are a subset of "players on the same level", in case you didn't realise it. It's not moving at all Brad, but just going into a specific example. "when I say "equal" skill levels, it just means the bassists are both equally proficient in their instrument, whether they are beginners or masters, see? " I already mentioned it long ago, Brad.

SO in your way of thinking, starting a hypothetical with players of the same level and then limiting it to beginners is the same thing? It would have to be for what you just said to make sense. IMO, it doesn't. It moved.

Try this one:

1. Do you believe a doctor should be able to perform surgery?

2. Now lets get more specific...should a dentist be able to perform an apendectomy?

By your logic, my second statement is much the same as the first, just more specific. By mine, it's squirming."If I say "okay, fair enough, if you say so" is that patronizing? "

I'll address the rest next;)

all the p r e t t y c o l o r s ...

where do they all belong?

Originally posted by Klimbim
I don't believe I was sensitive at all, certainly not to "gay" , but was more irritated the way you were smileying your way through saying things like "whatever you say" and such like. Can you imagine you trying to talk to a friend about something serious and he keeps doing that? Just try and discuss it point by point? But then again we were coming from different places, so maybe it was useless from the start. Phrases like "maybe I didn't see what I saw" or "thanks for showing me the error of my experience" are hardly calm, friendly and absolutely not "rational".

Conversing through the written word here is not the ideal way to communicate. INFLECTIONS are hard to convey. I used the smileys to show that I'm trying to keep this light. It didn't work... I should probably follow CS's example.

"triple thumping and two handed tapping is an advanced technique you probably haven't been in a music shop in a while. Kids who have been playing only a few months are doing it. Sure, they can't solo over changes but they can mimic lots of Vic Wootens's stuff already."
just feel you are really reaching here....it's not the first few things they learn is it? You can understand what "beginner" means? If they can do it, it just means they're working their butts really hard, it in no way implies that this is a beginner technique.

Feel like I'm reaching, I have no problem with that. Here's my experience (again)... I'm sure you'll disagree. You can go into most music shops here in the US and hear any manner of double and triple thumping and two handed tapping by newbie bassists who have not been playing very long at all. They watch a tape, or talk to a friend or hire a chops teacher and learn this stuff immediately. They don't know theory, couldn't play over a chord change to save their ass but they can really roll with what you consider "advanced techniques". Are they beginners? I think so. Are they rare? Ask Bruce L., I know he's sick of them in music shops.

Well, I don't have any beef with the BG at all, but just feel in a serious discussion, you could have done better to plan out your points.

Thanks, Yoda. Learn I have. Ooops, forgot this was serious.

I'm not implying that your experiences are wrong, but you do have very limited DB experience. If no one else wanted to beat this dead horse, at least notice that many posts ago, I already gave my main point, and though you're proclaiming now that you didn't argue it, you certainly did not address it when I first mentioned it did you? Even when I outlined it (should have used bold maybe) as the main point, it took quite a few posts before you talked about it. In a normal intelligent conversation, if one person says "my main point is blah blah", the other person would normally address that point won't he? But the first time I wrote that, you talked about back pains. Very straight(!) answer Brad.

You're debating my experiences but you're not implying... cool. BTW the back pain comments I made were made in response to the mention of back pains. Someone said this, I wonder who: "you just have to compare the size of the callouses, or even the back pains from bending over to reach the lower positions." That's why I mentioned them.
Not straight enough?

"If I say "okay, fair enough, if you say so" is that patronizing? " you said this? I really don't recall a "fair enough". All you had was an "if you say so" and a smiles after that. You don't seem that dumb, if you were talking to someone and they said "if you say so" while grinning at you, you really would think "oh goody he sees my point!"? I think I'm really not being sensitive here,just be truthful with yourself,weren't you being sarcastic here? Would you want your son to grin and say "if you say so dad" to you when you're trying to talk about something serious to him? Please open your mind just one second, and think about this.

Sorry, I had no idea of the seriousness of this thread. What exactly is at stake here. In a LIGHT-HEARTED conversation amongst HUMANS, it could mean more than one thing. You don't seem to want to understand that. If I told my son that Alice Cooper was the greatest rocker ever and he said "If you say so" I wouldn't go into a whining spiral about his tone. "If you say so" and "If you say so, numbnuts" are two different things... sometimes. Think the worst.

In one of the earlier posts I had talked about how it's not impossible for a DBer to have a soft touch, and you said "maybe i'm off, and DB technique really DOES transfer automatically to BG". Well, who on earth said that? I said it's not impossible, I didn't say it will transfer. It would really help alot if you don't keep saying things I didn't say. Did anyone at all say DB transfers to BG automatically well? How on earth did that pop into your mind?

When did I say it WAS IMPOSSIBLE? Apparently you feel the need to debate the possiblility of heavy handedness in a DB'er. They don't all play with a bow, they don't all play Classical, there are many varieties. I know...amazing, huh?

""More suited" than me to talk about my experiences? " Nope Brad, you misunderstand again. More suited to talk about the differences between picking up the BG and DB, nothing to do with your experiences. Notice you quoted me out of context? Happily picking the "more suited" out of the "more suited to comment on the differences". Skillfully done....So please again, try to refrain from putting words into peoples mouths. I never said they were more suited to talk about your experiences. Sheesh.

So you're saying they're (Talkbass DB'ers) "more suited" than the people I was talking about to determine what those people thought. Remember, you responded to MY post about My experiences and people I'VE met. Deep.

I'm trying to be objective here. You say it has squat to do with other people here, but aren't we discussing that the DB is harder to pick up than BG? (it's been the main point for 5 or 6 posts now, please don't say it's moving). Shouldn't that take more than 2 people's experiences? (statistically sound examples etc)

You're right...you telling me what "most" people say should be more than enough for me. What was I thinking?

One more thing, I liked the way you first used the words ' "jumping" on people' and putting "jumping" in quotes as if you were quoting me. Then telling jazzbo I said you were jumping on people, as if I really said it. Geez Brad, this is really sad. I don't know if you're dyslexic or something, but I said lumping, which has a totally different meaning you know. Lumping as in putting all these people into a bunch? Again here we see your talent at twisting words. The only time I used the word jumping was as a disclaimer to a point I was making, about intonation on the DB. What do you make of this?

I mistook "lumping" for "jumping". Apparently I was "lumping" Jazzbo in with a particular group here. I mistook the word but it seems to be in the same vein.

So far this hasn't really turned ugly, just dreary, but hey, no one has to read this if they don't want to right? I just want to state again that if you want to have a serious discussion, please refrain from all the comments like what I mentioned. Sorry for the really lengthy replies people, I know they're long, but I am just trying to address things point by point. Sorry if it's boring, but I guess no one really has to read if they don't want to.

It won't get ugly from my end, this is far too silly for that. I'm sorry I didn't realize how serious you were... few others in this thread seem to be, from what I'm told. I guess someone was mistaken.

Looks like we agree on the main point, though it took you very very long to address that. No Brad it wasn't moving. First it was a general example,and then it was a specific one, which stayed that way for a very long time. And no Jazzbo, no one claimed Brad was jumping on you or anyone else.

If you truly feel that going from a broad example to a specific is not moving, cool. I already gave an example of why I think that's a crock *grin*

So what's the story on LIndfield? I remember him.

Someone I've had similar conversations with here. Then I stopped.

Hindsight.

Originally posted by john turner
all the p r e t t y c o l o r s ...

where do they all belong?

Jaco only needed four colors

Mom, make them stop.

Well Brad, I would like to lighten up, but again, just wish you would be a little more mature in the responses. You still don't seem to get it: I'm not saying my point will always be right, or that there is only one view - mine....wish you would stop implying that. Sure you could be right too, but you spend too much of your words on other comments, so it's hard to see your point, you know.

For the experiments you seem to have conducted, well, sure there definitely have been DBers who underestimate the BG, no doubt. My DB teacher who is incredible once proclaimed that once we learn DB we can play BG. I was thinking "yeah right"....guess he just isn't too experienced in the BG side, but then he was educated in Moscow Conservatory, and is scary at the DB, playing harmonics in tune in that space between the fingerboard and bridge. But no one's perfect.

Your attempt at an analogy doesn't make sense at all, I'm afraid. I didn't claim its the same thing, and it doesn't HAVE to be the same thing for what I said to make sense. It's quite a smooth flow of logic actually.
1. Mention bassists on an equal level.
2. Mention specifics of beginner bassists (begin main point here), which are a subset of bassists on an equal level. So we're still talking about bassists on an equal level, but we are now analyzing specifics here. It's called an "example".

If it will help, draw a circle, call it Bassists of equal level. Draw a smaller circle WITHIN that circle, call it beginners. Set, and subset. Rather basic math. Does that help you out Brad? If it will help, think of food as the set, and burgers as the subset.

The subset is within the set, but it's not the SAME, see? One doens't equal the other. In fact, it happens so often, mathematicians have special notation for it! And, by golly it STILL makes sense! Hope this is clear enough. Phew!

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Definitely, talking through a forum is terrible to have these sort of discussions, cos theres so much room to misunderstand each other. According to me, you're doing it all the time, and according to you, so am I.
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Well, I'm not speaking absolutes, but I am speaking in broad general concepts (for that main point! :)). I've already said that not everyone plays classical on DB, and not everyone plays with a bow, though I feel they should (bow, at least to train; not "should" play classical).

And for the kids playing the "advanced techniques".....Well, if it's truly your opinion that these AREN'T advanced techniques, and that the possibility that these kids are way over their head learning flashy stuff without concentrating on getting a steady rhythm, good tone and fingerboard/fretboard familiarity doesn't occur to you, then I have a point to make. Can these kids do those flashy things? Well, I've not seen it here, but I truly believe you if you say they are, not being sarcastic here. It just strengthens my point don't you think? You think anyone could play flashy techniques on a DB in a couple of months (without breaking a finger?)

Remember my main point? That the DB is harder to just pick up and play as compared to the BG? Well, then, you think any DBer could hire a "chops teacher" and start playing flashy techniques on the Db, you're sadly mistaken. Firstly, I don't think there's such an animal as a chops teacher for DB, simply because they'll scoff at you and tell you to go learn the basics first. It's pretty much an impossiblity. (Or maybe you have experienced a DB chops teacher? Do tell). I seriously doubt any DBer (unless they are prodigies, and therefore here the controlling factor is the player, and not the nature of the instruments, which is the "subject" of the "main point") could be playing thumb position at any kind of speed (pizzicato, just for you! :)), or slapping the bass with a good solid thump and rhythm without tripping over their hands or missing strings altogether....do you get this point? You have claimed that these kids can really "roll" with these techniques, and these are the flashy stuff that impress people. You are NOT going to impress people with flashy stuff on a DB in a couple of months. You would be impressing people if you could play IN TUNE consistently in a couple of months.

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You're debating my experiences but you're not implying... cool

Please read it carefully and think about it before getting defensive? Is it or is it not a fact that you have very limited DB experience? Other people from this side of the board have been maintaining that the DB is a more difficult instrument to pick up,and they have extensive experience in both. Would it not be possible that their experience, obviously differing from yours, might hold a bit more water since they actually DO play both?

It took really long for you to address my main point, which is what I was looking for from you. Sure you could agree or disagree with it, but at least talk about it? Again, please, no one here is deluded into thinking DB technique transfers automatically into BG, or vice versa.
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Someone said this, I wonder who: "you just have to compare the size of the callouses, or even the back pains from bending over to reach the lower positions." That's why I mentioned them.

Whoops you really missed the point here man. Here is what I wrote again ok?

. In a normal intelligent conversation, if one person says "my main point is blah blah", the other person would normally address that point won't he? But the first time I wrote that, you talked about back pains. Very straight(!) answer Brad.

Well, if you would notice, what I was getting at is that when I first wrote that big picture main point, you replied, and after you quoted me in bold for that main point, you talked about back pains. Eh? Sure you could have replied immediately after the paragraph with the back pains, but wonder why you didn't? And did you address the big picture main point? Nope, you didn't. Straight answers? Nope. Not Straight there at all Brad.

And for a few posts now, I've discounted bowing as a DB basic technique already, but I'm still sticking by the love for the unamped sound....even people who gig amped most probably don't practice amped...the acoustic sound IS what the double bass is about. You think most (sorry, I know you hate this word "most", there wasn't a meeting, I can only offer common sense) DBers would play amped if their instrument could be heard without it? Think about it.


Sorry, I had no idea of the seriousness of this thread. What exactly is at stake here. In a LIGHT-HEARTED conversation amongst HUMANS, it could mean more than one thing. You don't seem to want to understand that. If I told my son that Alice Cooper was the greatest rocker ever and he said "If you say so" I wouldn't go into a whining spiral about his tone. "If you say so" and "If you say so, numbnuts" are two different things... sometimes. Think the worst.

well, 3 points for this.
Firstly, you seem to be focusing on "if you say so" as the only phrase which I claimed you were being patronizing and irrational about. Would you like me to list and number them? Most of the others aren't so ambiguous. Or am I REALLY your best friend now Brad? Geez whiz.....

Secondly, again your sense of analogy fails, because here you use an example of alice cooper who you obviously don't think is the greatest rocker ever so you remain pretty detatched. What if you tell your son "music is incredibly important, is one of the few things that's always beautiful in this world, and can heal souls." and he says "if you say so". Or "the sound of the bass is the foundation...it provides rhythm and structure to the entire piece", and he says the same thing. Wouldn't you try to push that conversation further?

Thirdly, it's not just the patronizing thing about this phrase...practically, it doesn't do much at all. It shows that you disagree with the point, but you wouldn't/couldn't explain why, point by point.

I'm sorry if I annoy people with this point by point stuff and super-lengthy replies, but I think as tedious as it is, it is the greatest chance not to be misunderstood over the forum.

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When did I say it WAS IMPOSSIBLE? Apparently you feel the need to debate the possiblility of heavy handedness in a DB'er. They don't all play with a bow, they don't all play Classical, there are many varieties. I know...amazing, huh?

Well, Brad, what can I say. When you talk about the possiblity of heavy-handedness in a DBer, you're allowed to, but when I say it's possible for them that they might not have a heavy hand, I get this. No, they all don't play with a bow, no they all don't play classical, geez Brad I've already said this before, in very clear simple English. I wonder if you are reading the text, or is it too wordy for you?

I'm saying that not all DBers would "play through" a Smith 6, and even in a non-classical context, playing heavy handed all the time gets weak doesn't it?

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So you're saying they're (Talkbass DB'ers) "more suited" than the people I was talking about to determine what those people thought

Nope not saying that Brad, I'm saying that the people here might be more suited to talk about the differences in the DB and BG, not about what they thought. I don't know what your friends said, but could you tell me how many of them told you "hey, DB was the easier instrument to pick up, BG was tougher than DB to pick up for the first time to play!!".

Sigh.....how many more times do I have to repeat this....




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Remember, you responded to MY post about My experiences and people I'VE met. Deep.

Yes I did Brad, but let me put my post here:


well, i guess that sort of thing doesn't really happen that much as so many dbassists started out from BG? But while it might be amusing, I think it would be quite an accurate generalisation to say that a double-bassists trying out a BG would have alot less trouble playing it than vice versa, plus the fact that since so many of DBers have teachers, they tend to be able to find their way around the BG more easily due to the fact that quite a bit of theory gets passed along too....

Not saying that any DBer could pick up a BG and play like Jaco, or even Fieldy (you know, i still don't know who he is), but at least he could play tunes within the week. A BGer might not be able to play the parts in Beety or Mozzy in such a short time.....to say the least....this is assuming that both bassists are of a similar standard on their own instruments.

So in your experience you are saying it's not an accurate generalization to say that DBers would have less trouble picking up BG? look up generalize. It's not an absolute, you see, but indefinite. In GENERAL, a DBer would have an easier time starting to play BG than the other way round. Has your experience shown that this is not the GENERAL idea? Surely, there are exceptions to the rule....but the idea is there. And as I said, those exceptions would most likely feature some sort of prodigy to the DB, just like Jaco was so natural on the BG, and so it's not due to the nature of the instrument, but the individual talent. The main point is on the nature of the instrument.

I don't know why you keep crying that I keep telling you your experience is wrong, because I'm not. I'm just saying that for YOUR personal experience, your tryst with the DB hasn't been extensive enough for you to have an opinion that would hold as much water as other people who play both well. I'm not speaking from MY experience, but rather the general impression from senior bassists, plus if you would read the archives of the DB forum, you'll get the picture. Sure, your experiences are important to you, but is it perhaps possible that your experience is DB is a bit limited? So i'm not saying your experience is WRONG, you surely had those experiences, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm saying it's just a bit SHORT to give much of a stand on it is it?

As for the experiences of the people you've talked to, well, let's be clear on what's the ideas that they've given you? Keep in mind no one here is saying that the BG is easy to master at all, or that it's even an easy instrument to pick up! I'm just saying in relation to the DB, it's easier. No it's not an absolute again, there will be exceptions to the rule (you and your friends maybe?), but it's a general statement. The DB is a harder beast to pick up. Your friends disagree? I've been spouting this point for ages now, and you still keep complaining that I'm disregarding your experiences and the experiences of those you've spoken to. They tell you that it's crock that the BG, in relation to the DB, is easier? So what exactly IS the experience of these friends?

Another thing I feel I have to point out, since you can't seem to understand this: I'm not saying a DBer would have no problem switching to BG, not even saying that it will be slightly easy! but I'm saying it's more probable (generalization) that one direction of transfer would have less problems than the other. You see, not absolute, but relative.THis was all in my first post relating to this matter, wonder if you read it before pumping in smileys? :)

Let's try again:
Relative.....NOT absolute.

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I mistook "lumping" for "jumping". Apparently I was "lumping" Jazzbo in with a particular group here. I mistook the word but it seems to be in the same vein.

apology accepted for misquoting me several times in several posts, I guess??? Lumping is very very different from Jumping, Brad. Lumping means you're putting him in the same bunch as the people you called predictable and pavlovian.Whether or not you were aggressive in your first post is entirely up to you. jumping would mean you're aggresively attacking someone yes?

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If you truly feel that going from a broad example to a specific is not moving, cool. I already gave an example of why I think that's a crock *grin*

well, Brad, I've already refuted that reason and example (which made so sense at all). Try to keep things simple next time, so you can tell what you're writing ok? Firstly, it wasn't a broad "example" as an "example" by definition, is "specific" (time to break out the dictionary?). But that's not the point, so anyway: going from a general concept, and explaining it with a specific wouldn't confuse most people, since it's the way most people learn in schools everywhere. Since it seemed to have you stumped and confused....well....


Jason

YAWN......

Seconnnnnnd verse,
Same assss the first.....

This is about as exciting as watching bowling on TV.

Maybe we could spice it up a bit and submit this idea to the producers of of the SURVIVOR series. You know, we could bill it as, SURVIVOR XXVIII - THE TALKBASS OUTBACK:WHO WILL GET THE LAST WORD IN THE LATEST DB OFF TOPIC THREAD?

That ought to be good for at least 4 hours of prime time....

Um, where's that coffee?

http://www.wonderdog.com/farside2.gif

That's it for me;)

Note: I did remove the original post, it was meant as a joke. But I realize how successful that's been so...

I figure if I place this here it will you all Deja Vue
(or however you spell it)

Has anyone tried playing Arco on a Swingmaster?

Any thoughts on the tone?



P.S. CF nice sound clip you got yourself there.

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We interrupt this program for a special update. Ladies and gentlemen, it APPEARS that Brad "LAST WORD" Johnson has taken the lead in this race to the death of this thread. But who knows what lurks JUST AROUND THE CORNER? Stay tuned folks, we know you're on the edge of your seats! Further updates as the situation warrants... We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.

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Gruffdog,

I've never played arco on a Kay. For that matter, I've never played arco on anything. I'm admitting this in public in the hopes of getting flamed and turning this thread in a different direction...Please, somebody flame me!!! I'm just a poor pizz-playing farmboy from BUMF**K, KENTUCKY. Tear me to shreds, just DON"T LET THIS MADNESS CONTINUE!!!

Ahem...

Thanks for the kind words about the sound clip. If I can convince the X-man to teach me a few things about computers, I'd like to be able to put those things up myself, which would be neat, as I could then put up a new one every so often. As regards your question, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that DONOSAURUS REX might be the person to field that one. (ALL HAIL) Bob G might also have some input there...

DURRL

"I wonder if you are reading the text, or is it too wordy for you?" [Klimbim]

That line jumped out at me as if it were written in red!

Oops, this is where I came in.

Pkr2

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
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I'm just a poor pizz-playing farmboy from BUMF**K, KENTUCKY. Tear me to shreds, just DON"T LET THIS MADNESS CONTINUE!!!

DURRL

DURRL you damn RedNeck, If your going to make the effort to play the DB play it that way it was ment to be played, with a bow, you people and your darn chittlin music.


http://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gif

P.S. My original post was also to "Change the subject" :D

Originally posted by gruffpuppy
Has anyone tried playing Arco on a Swingmaster?

Any thoughts on the tone?
Yes. Yes.

Originally posted by gruffpuppy


DURRL you damn RedNeck, If your going to make the effort to play the DB play it that way it was ment to be played, with a bow, you people and your darn chittlin music.


http://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/fire.gif

P.S. My original post was also to "Change the subject" :D

Ahhhh.....I bask - nay, BATHE - in the purifying fire of a new subject. My neck becomes more red (if that is indeed possible) by the moment.

Sincerely,

MISS T*TSWOBBLED

Originally posted by Don Higdon

Yes. Yes.

Hey Don, what is up with your web page link? It always brings me to a blank page, I was hoping for some bass, and action pics.

Hmmm...did I hear my name mentioned just then? Nah...back to sleep I suppose.:cool:

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
Jaco only needed four colors

Brad, This one seriously made me laugh out loud.

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Now, to DURRLPISSINGMISSHERALDFSCOTHTAPESCOTCHGUARDCHARRED CUNTRYBUMPKIN,

You ignorant slut.

You've never played arco on a Kay? What really upsets me is that people like you come in here thinking you know the first thing about music when it is so painfully obvious that you don't. It never ceases to amaze me when one of you inbred country mother truckers comes in here trying to pretend that you've seen a STANDUP (hee hee) bass in any other context than with Jethro, in overalls sans undergarments, catiously perched atop the body valiently plucking away at a worn out E string trying to keep time with the washboard. Why don't you go back to tabbing out your Hank Williams songs and leaving the real work to the rest of us?! "Oh, look at me, I'm a teacher! I play with Jamey Uber-sold!" I know that's what you'll say, but inbetween your seduction attempts at the farm chickens and picking the lice off your cousin/fathers/uncles back, maybe you can try for once to learn some REAL music, (read: jazz), if they really do get that out there in Kentucky.

How was that? ;)

Originally posted by gruffpuppy


Hey Don, what is up with your web page link? It always brings me to a blank page, I was hoping for some bass, and action pics.
The site kind of took a dump. I'll have to redo it, but that requires invading the spare time of someone computer-literate. When I do, there will be two more basses to see, one of which is flat-out ugly.

Grrrrrrr, yew making fun of me yew dirty redneck sheets? Git back to practicing before I hits yewwith my gay stick. :eek:

Whoops that didn't come out right.


Oh shoot I'm back here....does this mean I am in the lead for last word thingy? Hurray?

Jazz, I think calling Durrl a slut is uncalled for.

The real question is " do arco bassists hate pizz bassists"! (started to insert smilie; ran out of nerve)

Pkr2

Hey you do realise I don't hate pizz bassists right? They're just different, no one is better than the other. But personally in general I think an arco bassist will transfer more easily to a piz...........


KIDDING!!!!!!!!!
dammit

Originally posted by pkr2
Jazz, I think calling Durrl a slut is uncalled for.

Pkr2

I just want to make sure POKERHER2, you realize I was kidding right? :D

This post brought us to page #8 of this thread. Can we make it to 15????

Originally posted by jazzbo


I just want to make sure POKERHER2, you realize I was kidding right? :D

This post brought us to page #8 of this thread. Can we make it to 15????

Sure I do. I haven't seen this much fun since granny caught her boob in the washing machine wringer.

What I found comical in your post is that I'm from North Carolina. That's the way we all talk here. :)

Pkr2

Originally posted by Klimbim
Hey you do realise I don't hate pizz bassists right? They're just different, no one is better than the other. But personally in general I think an arco bassist will transfer more easily to a piz...........


KIDDING!!!!!!!!!
dammit

What the heck is that supposed to mean?
Arco DB players are artists, they are way better than those piz players. Piz is almost getting close to what a toy bassist does.

Geez dude do some research.


:D:D:D:D

This thread suggests that in addition to number of posts per day, we need a new stat on the profile page: number of words per day. Whoever leads in both categories deserves something, I just don't know what.

Originally posted by pkr2
Sure I do. I haven't seen this much fun since granny caught her boob in the washing machine wringer.
Pkr2

Two things:

- Okay, so I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I already knew that.

- That is a very scary image POKER. :eek:

ASSBLOW,

I feel that a few corrections are in order:

Originally posted by jazzbo




Now, to DURRLPISSINGMISSHERALDFSCOTHTAPESCOTCHGUARDCHARRED CUNTRYBUMPKIN,

You ignorant slut.

I AIN'T ig'nant.

You've never played arco on a Kay? What really upsets me is that people like you come in here thinking you know the first thing about music when it is so painfully obvious that you don't. It never ceases to amaze me when one of you inbred country mother truckers comes in here trying to pretend that you've seen a STANDUP (hee hee) bass in any other context than with Jethro, in overalls sans undergarments, catiously perched atop the body valiently plucking away at a worn out E string trying to keep time with the washboard.

I've played with Jethro many times, and rumor has it that he DOES wear undergarments. It's just that he only washes them twice a year.

Why don't you go back to tabbing out your Hank Williams songs and leaving the real work to the rest of us?!

Hank never was much of one fur tabs...he'n the boys just went'n 'membered alla that sh*t.


"Oh, look at me, I'm a teacher! I play with Jamey Uber-sold!" I know that's what you'll say, but inbetween your seduction attempts at the farm chickens and picking the lice off your cousin/fathers/uncles back, maybe you can try for once to learn some REAL music, (read: jazz), if they really do get that out there in Kentucky.

How was that? ;)

Agin, I never cared s'much fer chickens. Now SHEEP, well....that there's a differnt storey. An another thing, you west-coast tree huggin' FRUIT...it don't do no good t'pick lice off'n yer cousins - there's jes too dang many of um. Hell, everbody ah knows down heaahh is probly sum kinda cousin when ye git rite down to it. Naw, I only pick them lice off'n muh wife/maw/sister.

Idjit. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Klimbim
Hey you do realise I don't hate pizz bassists right? They're just different, no one is better than the other. But personally in general I think an arco bassist will transfer more easily to a piz...........


KIDDING!!!!!!!!!
dammit

So, you think that arco transfers more easily to pizz than the other way around? If you say so. But MY EXPERIENCE is that bla blablablablablablablabla blablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablablablablabla ablablablablablabla ablablablablaablablablablabla ablablablablablablabla balablablabla ......

;)

,
I only pick them lice off'n muh wife/maw/sister.


They don't call the place Louiwill, Kinf*cky fer nuttin', huh?

Originally posted by David Kaczorowski


They don't call the place Louiwill, Kinf*cky fer nuttin', huh?

Wayull, mr. KaczhsudfhlaSudfrKShdfJSDhgfvzuysgd, everbody gots to live somewheres, ain't they? B'sides, when yer maw & wife's one an' the same, it kinda gives a new meanin' to the old sayin', "Home, sweet Home", don't it now?

Did I hear somebody say "PIZZA"? I'd like a "Supreme" with everything on it, please.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald


So, you think that arco transfers more easily to pizz than the other way around? If you say so. But MY EXPERIENCE is that bla blablablablablablablabla blablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablablablablabla ablablablablablabla ablablablablaablablablablabla ablablablablablablabla balablablabla ......

;)

Hey, I resemble that remark.

;)

So, you think that arco transfers more easily to pizz than the other way around? If you say so. But MY EXPERIENCE is that bla blablablablablablablabla blablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablabl ablablablablablablablablablabla ablablablablablabla ablablablablaablablablablabla ablablablablablablabla balablablabla ......

well then obviously you missed the point then. Please dont blablahbla all over the place without putting them in proper point form....you peoples just ain't serious enough. Just address the main point ok?

Geez(er)

This thread suggests that in addition to number of posts per day, we need a new stat on the profile page: number of words per day. Whoever leads in both categories deserves something, I just don't know what.

A scholarship to read English at Harfurd?
buggrit....millenium hand and shrimp

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
[BAgin, I never cared s'much fer chickens. Now SHEEP, well....that there's a differnt storey. An another thing, you west-coast tree huggin' FRUIT...it don't do no good t'pick lice off'n yer cousins - there's jes too dang many of um. Hell, everbody ah knows down heaahh is probly sum kinda cousin when ye git rite down to it. Naw, I only pick them lice off'n muh wife/maw/sister.

Idjit. :rolleyes: [/B]

Well, at Jamey's Workshop last weekend, he showed me your staff photos:

http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_a_l/hillbillies/banjo_hoedown_md_clr.gif http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_a_l/hillbillies/hick_and_his_chicken_md_clr.gif

Originally posted by Brad Johnson


Jaco only needed four colors

i can't stop the colors, they keep swirling around my eyes....ARRGGHH!! make it stop....help....me....

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
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We interrupt this program for a special update. Ladies and gentlemen, it APPEARS that Brad "LAST WORD" Johnson has taken the lead in this race to the death of this thread. But who knows what lurks JUST AROUND THE CORNER? Stay tuned folks, we know you're on the edge of your seats! Further updates as the situation warrants... We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.

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Gruffdog,

I've never played arco on a Kay. For that matter, I've never played arco on anything. I'm admitting this in public in the hopes of getting flamed and turning this thread in a different direction...Please, somebody flame me!!! I'm just a poor pizz-playing farmboy from BUMF**K, KENTUCKY. Tear me to shreds, just DON"T LET THIS MADNESS CONTINUE!!!

Ahem...

Thanks for the kind words about the sound clip. If I can convince the X-man to teach me a few things about computers, I'd like to be able to put those things up myself, which would be neat, as I could then put up a new one every so often. As regards your question, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that DONOSAURUS REX might be the person to field that one. (ALL HAIL) Bob G might also have some input there...

DURRL


...not...much...energy...left....must....hit....Ed-Signal...only...hope...Edi-ben-FuQuaDi...you're...our...only...hope....

aaaaaAAAAARRRRRRRrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh....(cough)(co ugh)....blahh.

It seems from this, that Double Bassists only need one thread in one forum, whereas BGers need infinite numbers of threads in many and various forums.

Is there a correlation here?

NOW I REMEMBER! It's been bugging me for a really long time that Brad reminded me of someone....he's the exact twin of that guy who wanted to shout alto clef at his cellist friend.

Sorry just needed to get it out of my system.

But the most important question is, should Xavier use a P-bass or a J-bass for his DB sailboat rudder? Maybe an Ibanez Ergodyne would stand up to the seawater better.

I think a J bass. The evenly spaces PUs would be more reliable in providing a good strong tack and even movements. I live next to the sea, and my J bass hasn't even rusted slightly yet. My amp has, though.

Originally posted by jazzbo


Well, at Jamey's Workshop last weekend, he showed me your staff photos:

http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_a_l/hillbillies/banjo_hoedown_md_clr.gif http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_a_l/hillbillies/hick_and_his_chicken_md_clr.gif


Did you already know before you posted this that Jamey DOES actually play banjo? He only knows one tune, but in that one tune, distinct traces of that most exotic of musical styles - BEBOPBILLY - are clearly audible.

So in case anybody was wondering, Jamey's the one one the left...The strapping young gentleman on the right would be me, holding your most notorious blind date, "Claudia".


Keep on pluckin' now, y'hear?

DURRL

Claidia is moving like she knows what lays ahead.:p

Originally posted by gruffpuppy
Claidia is moving like she knows what lays ahead.:p


Which either means that she's psychic, or that she remembers her blind date with jazzbo...

*SNIP*

my sincerest apologies. i don't know what came over me. hyuk.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald



Which either means that she's psychic, or that she remembers her blind date with jazzbo...

She won't return my calls. :(

Originally posted by jazzbo


Man I wish I was mod at this forum. I think I'd personally have to slam you for your derogatory comment. Whether it's conduct befitting my "moniker" or not, Paz, please retreat off into the woods somewhere and grow a clue. Your "bows are gay" comment is the single most ridiculous, childish, ignorant, and stupid reference I've heard for a couple of days now. I see Eminem's vernacular is coming close to being widely accepted amongst youth. Ed was far more clever than I am, I'm just going to sit here and tell you to grow and clue. And if you come back here and tell me it was "just a joke," than I am so incredibly and truly sad for you.

For all of you DBers out there, I am once again forced to apologize for the pathetic and useless example of a BGer that has been thrust upon you. It seems we let one of them get out of the padded room by accident.



Jazzbo please don't cluster all of "the youth" together into one big pile, some of us do have a brain in our head and its not up our ass :(

I was actually interested to see what the feeling were of DB's vs BG's if it could be discussed civily, however, the complete asaninity of the statement "bows are gay" has blown my mind, as it has been brought up, bows don't have sex..

All I ask of the people of this world, is that if I were to die tommorow, I would ask not to be remembered as a teenager... I can't think of a worse insult considering the fact that the vast majority of people in my age group would make such a stupid comment.. but that doesn't mean that were all that stupid.

You gotta remember there are still a whole bunch of really ignorant adults too.. Yes I know its hard to believe..:rolleyes:

and lounder!

Originally posted by HWK2


Jazzbo please don't cluster all of "the youth" together into one big pile, some of us do have a brain in our head and its not up our ass :(

I was actually interested to see what the feeling were of DB's vs BG's if it could be discussed civily, however, the complete asaninity of the statement "bows are gay" has blown my mind, as it has been brought up, bows don't have sex..

All I ask of the people of this world, is that if I were to die tommorow, I would ask not to be remembered as a teenager... I can't think of a worse insult considering the fact that the vast majority of people in my age group would make such a stupid comment.. but that doesn't mean that were all that stupid.

You gotta remember there are still a whole bunch of really ignorant adults too.. Yes I know its hard to believe..:rolleyes:

I agree. I'm 19, I could fit into the mould of "The youth".

Personally, I appreciate that I have minimal bass talent, but I also know that I'm getting better every day. I also know that experience is the best way to get better, and as part of that I would love to have a go on a DB, just for fun, to see what it's like. I've never even held an instrument like that before and I'd like just to try, so I agree that the "bows are gay" comment was just purile.

As HWK2 said, please don't tar all us younguns with the same brush, some of us have a brain in our head.

One more thing, I resent "English metalhead" being used as a derogatary term Rablack.

Originally posted by yottskry

One more thing, I resent "English metalhead" being used as a derogatary term Rablack.


Do they use the term, "playing with fire" over on your side of the pond? ;)

For the record, I checked SPAZ' profile, and it lists "Metallica" and "Black Sabbath" as influences, and "England" as location. Given that he was responding to the by now infamous "Bows are Gay" comment, I can see how he came up with "English Metalhead". Let's not pick PC nits here...the first shot was definitely fired by the young British homophobe. The older American gentleman probably figured that, in light of the complete asininity of the British homophobe's remarks, all was fair game.

Of course, if you want to start an argument with Rablack over this small point, let us all know, and I'll make enough popcorn for everyone.

Regards,

DURRL

Chris, I find it amazing you type so well seeing as you have only paws with no thumbs at all... the spacebard must be difficult to reach :)

That is a great Avatar man!

And as always a plesent shot below the belt with your previous comments :D Gotta love it.. *munches on the good popcorn*

:D All in good fun :)

Originally posted by HWK2
Chris, I find it amazing you type so well seeing as you have only paws with no thumbs at all... the spacebard must be difficult to reach :)


Difficult to see under all that fur, but maybe he's been genetically modified to have an opposable thumb - I'm sure it'll happen in the future - the "Jazz Cat"! ;)

Anybody else read the "Uplift Wars" by David Brin?

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Anybody else read the "Uplift Wars" by David Brin?

Yup - David Brin is a fantastic Sci-Fi author. I have got all his Uplift novels except for the new ones. My favorite novel of his is the collaboration with Gregory Benford - "The Heart of the Comet" - it won both the Hugo and Nebula Awards and is a work of art. Also, "The Postman" was a great novel, which was unfortunately butchered by Kevin Costner.

Originally posted by HWK2
Chris, I find it amazing you type so well seeing as you have only paws with no thumbs at all... the spacebard must be difficult to reach :)

That is a great Avatar man!

And as always a plesent shot below the belt with your previous comments :D Gotta love it.. *munches on the good popcorn*

:D All in good fun :)


Well, many DB teachers advocate practicing without the L.H. thumb anyway. As for the spacebar, that's what tails are for. That, and bowing...

Regards,

DURRLSJUSTWANNAHAVEFUN

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald



Do they use the term, "playing with fire" over on your side of the pond? ;)

For the record, I checked SPAZ' profile, and it lists "Metallica" and "Black Sabbath" as influences, and "England" as location. Given that he was responding to the by now infamous "Bows are Gay" comment, I can see how he came up with "English Metalhead". Let's not pick PC nits here...the first shot was definitely fired by the young British homophobe. The older American gentleman probably figured that, in light of the complete asininity of the British homophobe's remarks, all was fair game.

Of course, if you want to start an argument with Rablack over this small point, let us all know, and I'll make enough popcorn for everyone.

Regards,

DURRL

Use the term? We invented it baby! ;) Actually I was referring to him using "English" as a derogatary term rather than the metalhead. I know who fired the first shot, but if I was to reply to something saying "you American moron" then you'd think I was using your nationality as if it were an insult.

I just fail to see where nationality comes in to it...and I always fail to see how it can be used as an insult as generally people are proud of their nationality.

I didnt know double bass players were abnormal..




:p

Originally posted by luisnovelo
I didnt know double bass players were abnormal..




:p
You obviously haven't been paying attention;)

Originally posted by yottskry

One more thing, I resent "English metalhead" being used as a derogatary term Rablack.

Howdy yottskry,

I didn't intend "16 year old English metalhead" as an insult, merely as a description based on paz' profile mentioned solely to point out that his views on things related double bass were perhaps not fully informed.

What I said was : If I too were a 16-year old English metalhead I might well frame an inane inquiry such as yours.

So paz is 16, English, and based on his profile, a metalhead. Nothing wrong with that. No offense intended to 16 year olds, the English, or metalheads. Hey when I was 16 (24 years ago) I was into prog rock and would have felt that the DB was irrelevant to me. I had no opinion on bows other than thinking that Jean Luc Ponty and Kansas were cool. I love England and have felt quite at home there the many times I have visited. Finally, as Kung Fuqua has said on many occasions, there are no music police. If paz likes metal, great - whatever blows yer skirts up.

The real point I intended to make early on in this now legendary thread was that the original post was inane. I still stand by that sentiment.

Peace

edit - Ok, point taken. Being English or not had nothing to do with how ridiculous paz' post was. I therefore, apologize to any of the English (or Scottish or Welsh, or N. Irish) who were offended by my offhand reference to paz' nationality. Nationality has nothing to do with inanity, there's plenty to go around no matter where you live. :)

Hey Rablack,

I'm not usually bothered by stuff like that, but it was the third time I'd seen "English..." when referring to an idiot (I guess maybe we have lots of them!) and it just seemed that the first thing everyone pointed out was nationality.

Hey, maybe I'm overreacting.


Cheers for the reply,
Steve

Damn. I hate to see all that popcorn go to waste...couldn't you guys just bitch at each other - y'know, kinda friendly like - until some of this stuff gets eaten?

Yottskry, 1st off, nice choice for an avatar.. I don't know why I can't get over how much it and Chris Fitzgerald's look alike.. in a sort of abstarct way.... Just take a closer look :)

Don't feel bad Yottskry, all countries have their fair share of stupid people. And they come in all different shapes and sizes and ages... which just sorta sucks.. Hmm maybe back on topic..


I did read in this months BP magazine that the first elec bass met with resentment from the DB'ers because they didn't feel that it was even a worthy musical instrument... I dunno, I still want to find out more about DB'ers and BG'ers and if maybe someone is actually honest enough to say, "I think BG's aren't really bassplayers", or "DB'ers are just old fogies who play jazz and don't know how to really play bass" or something equally interesting like that.. I dunno, someone has to be bitter about that whole 1951 thing :) Maybe not. I still find it interesting..

ok
is it just me or has the last page of this thread been dominated but electric bassists?
ah well
thats just me mabye...
kirby

uh, PISS-PISS CURLS is a DB player. and also a moderator.

Originally posted by thirtywhacks
ok
is it just me or has the last page of this thread been dominated but electric bassists?
ah well
thats just me mabye...
kirby


DIRTYWAX,

Assuming you really meant to say dominated by electric bassists, I can assure you that neither myself nor Ra-Ra-Rablack (who also put in a cameo on the last page) have ever been DOMINATED by an electric bassist. Of course, if Rhonda Smith happened to drop by and offer to dominate either of us, that could change...but I doubt that anybody from the BG side of the board is likely to lead any of us into temptation, if ya know what I mean....


DURRLY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP

Originally posted by CS


Bruce

Thanks for the info the loss of the first post caused me problems. It's our fault anyway for not living in America.

That's right! :mad:

J/K ... :)

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald



DIRTYWAX,

Assuming you really meant to say dominated by electric bassists, I can assure you that neither myself nor Ra-Ra-Rablack (who also put in a cameo on the last page) have ever been DOMINATED by an electric bassist. Of course, if Rhonda Smith happened to drop by and offer to dominate either of us, that could change...but I doubt that anybody from the BG side of the board is likely to lead any of us into temptation, if ya know what I mean....


DURRLY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP

LOL - I am glad to hear that you fellas (and gals if any are in the DB section) are not into the kinky stuff. :)

:o I do not hate all electric bass players. I do however resent the fact that people think that electric bass players are better than Upright bass player because everything you guys do is because of technology. Everything and upright player does is because of talent, skill, technique and passion.

We should be able to get another page out of this.

Originally posted by Don Higdon
We should be able to get another page out of this.

I disagree. Also, I would like to make abundantly clear my position that you Dark Overlords of what you consider the true bass, which is terminally gay, need to dismount from your collective high horse, listen to a little Flea, and then reassess your desire to pose on your preposterous eyesore you call an instrument.

This whole thing is gay.

Cuteness.

Originally posted by jazzbo
your preposterous eyesore you call an instrument.

You're referring to my American Standard? Chris's?
Tenga cuidado, Sr. Yazzbo

Originally posted by Don Higdon


You're referring to my American Standard? Chris's?
Tenga cuidado, Sr. Yazzbo

I'd love to give you the nod. Truly I would. Can't feed DURRL's ego anymore than I already do. I think he's starting to believe that sage-like aura I've unwittingly implied. Like I said, I'd love to give you the nod, but the green gunk just pushes the envelope of good taste. What is that? C'mon. (Speaking of which, where is that thread, I've been silent up to this point, haven't I)?

Yeah, try as I might, I just don't think any canoe I may own may ever surface looking as insulting as that hunk of wood DURRL calls a bass. Truly, his ASS is ugly.

Originally posted by jizzboy


I'd love to give you the nod. Truly I would. Can't feed DURRL's ego anymore than I already do. I think he's starting to believe that sage-like aura I've unwittingly implied. Like I said, I'd love to give you the nod, but the green gunk just pushes the envelope of good taste. What is that? C'mon. (Speaking of which, where is that thread, I've been silent up to this point, haven't I)?

Yeah, try as I might, I just don't think any canoe I may own may ever surface looking as insulting as that hunk of wood DURRL calls a bass. Truly, his ASS is ugly.

GUMBO,

Kiss my Standard.:)

Originally posted by Chris IsItaGirl



Kiss my Standard.:)

That is sooo Divine.



http://www.panix.com/~jackson/divine/images/divinedogs.jpg

Originally posted by (Flea's) TUBESOCK


That is sooo Divine.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9625/01divine.jpg



BUTTOCK,

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your attachment isn't working. Don't worry, though - they make pills for that particular problem these days...

CINNAMON DURRL

Originally posted by Chris NeedzPillz




BUTTOCK,

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your attachment isn't working. Don't worry, though - they make pills for that particular problem these days...

CINNAMON DURRL

I can see it. Maybe you need those attachment pills.

Originally posted by TUNAFLOP


I can see it. Maybe you need those attachment pills.


...Or maybe your attachment just isn't doing a thing for me...

Actually, it's showing up on your original post now, but not in the quote of same. Why DID you post a photo of Big bOhNeR anyway? Are you...ahem....sticking up for him in his battle with the G-rated censorship board?
Hmmm...

Wow I new this thread was missing something.
So here it is.

http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Originally posted by gruffpuppy
http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Weird how funny this is to me. Sure, it's cute, it's funny, but why do I find it postively hilarious?

http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gifhttp://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Originally posted by jazzbo


Weird how funny this is to me. Sure, it's cute, it's funny, but why do I find it postively hilarious?

Because he has Groove.
It looks like he knows where the 1 is also.

http://www.gifs.net/animate/bms2.gif

I thought moms were off limits on this board.


Bad bass player:(

ABRA-CA-JAZZBO, how did you multiply them Nana's? :D

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
I thought moms were off limits on this board.


Bad bass player:(

I am glad you thought, but you thought wrong. This post is coming from a seventeen year old. Just look at your setup. It is all technology. I thought you were a bass player, not an electrician. Your setup is thousands of dollars worth of noise makers and talent boosters.
My setup....talent, passion, and my skills.

;) :confused:

Firstly, heh heh....
Secondly, I want the record to show that I am not bassy18 :P....nothing personal bassy18, but don't want none of these geezers to think i came back to haunt Brad........

Lastly, heh heh.....

Originally posted by Phil Smith
ABRA-CA-JAZZBO, how did you multiply them Nana's? :D

Well, when two Nanas love each other very much.........




You just copy the img code, then paste, and paste, and paste, and paste, and paste..........

Originally posted by bassy18


I am glad you thought, but you thought wrong. This post is coming from a seventeen year old. Just look at your setup. It is all technology. I thought you were a bass player, not an electrician. Your setup is thousands of dollars worth of noise makers and talent boosters.
My setup....talent, passion, and my skills.

;) :confused:

You forgot about the hot air which seems to comprise a large part of your setup. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SPACEY18


I am glad you thought, but you thought wrong. This post is coming from a seventeen year old. Just look at your setup. It is all technology. I thought you were a bass player, not an electrician. Your setup is thousands of dollars worth of noise makers and talent boosters.
My setup....talent, passion, and my skills.

;) :confused:


Yeah Brad, where's your Talent? Where's your Passion? Where's yer Skills? If you do indeed have them, why aren't they in your profile? :rolleyes:

You toybass players are all the same: you think that just because you made enough money playing stuff you copped from FieLdY TABZ to buy a lot of fancy gear, that you automatically become some kind of great player out of the deal. C'mon, 'fess up - you REALLY only play SLAB because you're just not good enough to cut it on a REALBASS, right? ;)

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
You toybass players are all the same: you think that just because you made enough money playing stuff you copped from FieLdY TABZ to buy a lot of fancy gear, that you automatically become some kind of great player out of the deal. C'mon, 'fess up - you REALLY only play SLAB because you're just not good enough to cut it on a REALBASS, right? ;)

This is SO stupid! I am SO sick of you p-tarded standupists talking smack about my instrument and gear. Think of the greatest bass players ever. Ever. Like Flea and FieLdY and the guy from BLINK187 and the guy from SPLEENGAY. ALL of those guys play electric, and have totally killer setups. You old farts playing your stupid ancient bass fiddle are just holding on to the past. It's so dumb. You can't even hear what you play anyway, what the hell's the point? I got my new Zon and my Eden cabs and I started learning SLAP and I could play two or three FLEA songs within a month and he's the best ever. What have you ever done?

Originally posted by jazzbo


This is SO stupid! I am SO sick of you p-tarded standupists talking smack about my instrument and gear. Think of the greatest bass players ever. Ever. Like Flea and FieLdY and the guy from BLINK187 and the guy from SPLEENGAY. ALL of those guys play electric, and have totally killer setups. You old farts playing your stupid ancient bass fiddle are just holding on to the past. It's so dumb. You can't even hear what you play anyway, what the hell's the point? I got my new Zon and my Eden cabs and I started learning SLAP and I could play two or three FLEA songs within a month and he's the best ever. What have you ever done?



Hey kids! Wait!

First of all JazzBo, Calm down the testosterone! #1 I am not saying that ALL bass guitar players are talentless, but be honest if you are all setup where is the soul in it?
#2 Old Farts! Holding on to the past? Give me a break! Baby boy we talked about this. You are fired up about a 17year old jazzer here. And oh wait I do have my technology. I do have an amp and a preamp, and whoa buddy, can you hear me. #3 congratulations you can play like a bug(flea). Where is your contract, million dollars and flanks of women?
#4 Damn I am good. I never thought that a simple thought about bassplayers and their toys and yes, all that electronic stuff is just something else to break and go wrong...toys, would get so much feed back.

and last but definitely not least
#5Calm the testosterone. whoa buddy!

:rolleyes:

don't ya just hate it when somebody wanders into the middle of a joke and then starts saying, real loud, "i don't get it. what does that mean? that's not funny".

or when someone wanders in among a bunch of folks who know each other, in the middle of a conversation, and starts trying to play psychologist?

i just hate it when that happens.

although, sometimes it IS a bit funny, watching them walk around with toilet paper stuck to their shoes :D.

Originally posted by bassy18


Hey kids! Wait!

(snip)

#5Calm the testosterone. whoa buddy!










hee hee....hee heee...adamina....hee hee

Originally posted by bassy18




Hey kids! Wait!

First of all JazzBo, Calm down the testosterone! #1 I am not saying that ALL bass guitar players are talentless, but be honest if you are all setup where is the soul in it?
#2 Old Farts! Holding on to the past? Give me a break! Baby boy we talked about this. You are fired up about a 17year old jazzer here. And oh wait I do have my technology. I do have an amp and a preamp, and whoa buddy, can you hear me. #3 congratulations you can play like a bug(flea). Where is your contract, million dollars and flanks of women?
#4 Damn I am good. I never thought that a simple thought about bassplayers and their toys and yes, all that electronic stuff is just something else to break and go wrong...toys, would get so much feed back.

and last but definitely not least
#5Calm the testosterone. whoa buddy!

Now hold on there RACYTEEN, double bass jazzer that you are, no need to get your thong in a bunch, if you know what I mean , wink , wink.

In any event direct us to some of that delicious playing of yours so that we may bask in the glory of your harmonic superiority of the low tech variety.

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!










snortle.....choke.......mmpphhhggmmm.....snortle.. ....hee-hee.....my sides are killing me

I never thought I would cause so much emotion! All I have to say is Schweetness!

Oh and by the way, do you guys think I got enough spunk to make it in the bass world? (ancient and new age, er uh, upright and guitar):cool:

I don't think he got it, JT

Originally posted by jazzbo
snortle.....choke.......mmpphhhggmmm.....snortle.. ....hee-hee.....my sides are killing me [/B]


You funny funny bassturd.

Originally posted by bassy18




Hey kids! Wait!

First of all JazzBo, Calm down the testosterone! #1 I am not saying that ALL bass guitar players are talentless, but be honest if you are all setup where is the soul in it?
#2 Old Farts! Holding on to the past? Give me a break! Baby boy we talked about this. You are fired up about a 17year old jazzer here. And oh wait I do have my technology. I do have an amp and a preamp, and whoa buddy, can you hear me. #3 congratulations you can play like a bug(flea). Where is your contract, million dollars and flanks of women?
#4 Damn I am good. I never thought that a simple thought about bassplayers and their toys and yes, all that electronic stuff is just something else to break and go wrong...toys, would get so much feed back.

and last but definitely not least
#5Calm the testosterone. whoa buddy!


SASSY 18,

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you can forget about these guys calming their testosterone...the cup runneth over. Pun intended. You just have to get used to it like I did. Jazzbo may be a sexist pig, but when you get past that he's not such a bad guy. On the internet, anyway.... (I'm not sure I'd trust him in person ;) ). When he goes on one of his little rants, I usually just let him make a complete ass of himself, same as Brad and Phil - and then, when they're finished ranting, I can proceed to completely tear their arguments apart. But it takes patience, grasshopper...patience.

Hang in there. There aren't many female Double bassists out there, and it's best to stick together.


Christine

Originally posted by bassy18
Hey kids! Wait!

First of all JazzBo, Calm down the testosterone! #1 I am not saying that ALL bass guitar players are talentless, but be honest if you are all setup where is the soul in it?
#2 Old Farts! Holding on to the past? Give me a break! Baby boy we talked about this. You are fired up about a 17year old jazzer here. And oh wait I do have my technology. I do have an amp and a preamp, and whoa buddy, can you hear me. #3 congratulations you can play like a bug(flea). Where is your contract, million dollars and flanks of women?
#4 Damn I am good. I never thought that a simple thought about bassplayers and their toys and yes, all that electronic stuff is just something else to break and go wrong...toys, would get so much feed back.

and last but definitely not least
#5Calm the testosterone. whoa buddy!

#1 - I bet I could bench press more than u, even if u r a girl. I bet. Plus, I can drink lots more beer.

#2 - Christine Fitzgerald is super old too. She is easily in like her 30s or 40s or something or whatever I totally don't care because she's old.

#3 - I can't play everything FLeA can play, but some of it. I have to go download some more TaBZ.

#4 - You can't put stickers on a standup.

#5 - I still say I can out bench press you.

Like, I totally respect what ur doing SASSY, i just think that CHRISTINE FITZGERALD is out of line. That girl is always getting her feathers ruffled, and it's usually ovur nuthing. I've none her 4 a long time. I can tell ur more mature, and if u like jazz, then that's cool. I've been listening to punk a long time, (jake's gonna kill me for that one), and I just think it's harder to play. Jazz nazis bore me. As long as ur cool, wer'e cool. :)

I am not trying to offend anyone here. Just a little joke, trying to make some friends out there. Just trying to get a response. I didn't know I was throwing a coming out party! (no offense) I think I am too young for this. OH and by the way i want to learn the bass guitar. I am cool if you guys are cool. i would play punk and stuff, but on upright...I just don't think so. Electronics is just not my thing. NO offense.Thats it

bassy18:)

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Stare at pulsing avatar
Else
Don't bother
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Submitted for your approval, one message board directed at bass clefers the world over. What seemed like a perfect normal message board has changed in a way that a lot of the participants that have newly arrived have yet to realize. As we take our journey we will see just how long it takes for them to realize that they have entered...

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someone's sense of irony is a bit wrinkled. :D

Originally posted by rablack


maybe "do sheep hate pigs?"
Hehe... sheep are friendly animals, and are quite compatable with any livestock. :D

*whew*

Sorry I've been out of the loop, the damndest thing happened. I was practicing, you know, kijickin' it old school style, in my practice room (I got the coolest Flea poster but that's another story) so anyways I had just stepped on my stage left Bob Bradshaw controller/ string rejuvenator while holding a Cherry Mountain Dew in my right hand (!) when BAM! I took like a lot of amps of current and it knocked me out.

When I came to the first thing I did was come to the Old T-B for guidance and thank fIeLdY I came across assy18 (did I misss a letter?) and it's series of inciteful posts. At first I thought about getting mad, figured I'd schedule that for Tuesday morning right after "Maury" went off but then I said NO I think there's something to this assy18's thing.

I'm going to give up toybass right after the first of the year. Then I can do like the realbassers and split my time 50-50... playing with my bass and playing with myself.

Thanks,
Brad, soon-to-be formerly the guy with thousands of $$$ of electronics.

Originally posted by Klimbim
Firstly, heh heh....
Secondly, I want the record to show that I am not bassy18 :P....nothing personal bassy18, but don't want none of these geezers to think i came back to haunt Brad........

Lastly, heh heh.....

How's it going, old buddy?

:D

Originally posted by Brad Johnson


How's it going, old buddy?

:D

All i have to say is

"ass always you ARE wrong"

oh wait, did I add an extra s to as? you figure it out.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
Jazzbo may be a sexist pig, but when you get past that he's not such a bad guy. On the internet, anyway.... (I'm not sure I'd trust him in person ;) ). When he goes on one of his little rants, I usually just let him make a complete ass of himself, same as Brad and Phil - and then, when they're finished ranting, I can proceed to completely tear their arguments apart. But it takes patience, grasshopper...patience.

I'm not sexist, I have lots of friends that are women.

Why wouldn't you trust me in person? You're just scared of the thunder I would bring with my huge amplifier stuff and speakers stuff or whatever.

The Eminent Mr. Jazzbo:

Oh jeez, even I am feeling bad for her/him now. Please have mercy on him/her sir.

The horror of it all!

:D :D :D

so BIZQUICK SQUIRRELS, when are you gonna, you know, SMACK? i mean, this is probably the closest to an opportunity that you're going to get over here in DB land.

i gots my popcorn, i gots my comfy slippers on. i'm ready for some entertainment.

Originally posted by PLACEBO


You're just scared of the thunder I would bring with my huge amplifier stuff and speakers stuff or whatever.


*SSBLOW,

Reminds me of an old Sting song:

"Heavy Clouds but.......no rain"

Have you heard that one or sumthing?


Originally posted by EL-KABONG

so BIZQUICK SQUIRRELS, when are you gonna, you know, SMACK? i mean, this is probably the closest to an opportunity that you're going to get over here in DB land.

i gots my popcorn, i gots my comfy slippers on. i'm ready for some entertainment.


PINHEAD,

I've been ready to SMACK for some time now, but I like to wait until I've been ready for a good long while and just can't stand it any more before bringing the HOLY ENDPIN OF DEATH down into the heart of the matter. It's kinda like, ...uh....:eek:

Well, I'm sure you know what it's kinda like....:)



All the Best,

DURRLS WILL BE DURRLS

Durrl,

Would you please send these children back to the slab bass side of the world where they belong.

Outside of the "very good looking" JT, slab players tend to not have much of to say that contributes to the REAL BASS SIDE of Talk Bass.

BTW JT, I only work for cash.

Mark

Originally posted by bassy18

I am glad you thought, but you thought wrong. This post is coming from a seventeen year old. Just look at your setup. It is all technology. I thought you were a bass player, not an electrician. Your setup is thousands of dollars worth of noise makers and talent boosters.
My setup....talent, passion, and my skills.


Hey could you do me a big favor and sell it somewhere else.

Originally posted by gruffpuppy


Hey could you do me a big favor and sell it somewhere else.

...Cause we're all stocked up here.

:)

Originally posted by john turner
so BIZQUICK SQUIRRELS, when are you gonna, you know, SMACK? i mean, this is probably the closest to an opportunity that you're going to get over here in DB land.

i gots my popcorn, i gots my comfy slippers on. i'm ready for some entertainment.


You know, the problem with this whole thing is that everything that's been going on lately in this thread is too lame to SMACK. I mean, when you really think about it, what is there to come down on?

BRAINLESS18's little diatribe about electronics was kinda obnoxious, but was some pretty weak *ss sh*t in the greater scheme of things...what's the fun of firing at an unarmed opponent?

BAD MONSOON's comeback to BRALESS IN SEATTLE's rant wasn't a gutbuster or anything, but was pretty funny in its own way, and made a point besides. Can't bust a guy for that, can you?

PHYLLIS SNIFF dropped a couple of comebacks to CLUELESS1984's rant into the mix, but I tended to agree with MRS. DILLER on those occasions, so again, what's to do?

BUT, due to the increasing rumblings of the old guard peanut gallery, let me say this to all slabbers and realbassers alike: either pick up the pace and bring your best stuff right to the rim, or I'll have to ask everyone to - as my man Dikembe Mutumbo so quaintly puts it - "kindly remove that underdeveloped and somewhat sickly fecal matter from the general vicinity of the basket".

Are we listening?

heh heh. rockin' :D

well, if you're going to make me entertain myself, then things need to get a bit more spicy over here :D. i'm crackin' my knuckles, winding up, sharpening the axe, chompin' at the bit. i'm just a-waitin for something worth the energy to take a swing at.

Originally posted by CHARRED TURNIP
well, if you're going to make me entertain myself, then things need to get a bit more spicy over here :D. i'm crackin' my knuckles, winding up, sharpening the axe, chompin' at the bit. i'm just a-waitin for something worth the energy to take a swing at.


Word.

Originally posted by bassy18


All i have to say is

"ass always you ARE wrong"

oh wait, did I add an extra s to as? you figure it out.

If ya has to ask... ;)

BTW that post was directed at Klimbim, my arch-rival earlier in the thread.

D'oh! Here I am, peeking furitively out of my secret hiding place deep inside castle DB, hoping for a smackdown of some sort, and I find that no-one seems willing to exert the energy to go for it! You've changed, DURRLBERT - I remember the days when you'd skewer any smartarse toybasser who came within a mile of the castle with that endpin! Hee hee, trying to goad him into action... ;)

Oh, one more thing...

WhUtZ pAsSiOn? Du IbAnEz MaKe ThEm??? :confused:

Hey BOMBASSTIC18 I thought I'd make a piece offering to ya:

http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Don't over analyze though, it could get freaky.

Originally posted by john turner
well, if you're going to make me entertain myself, then things need to get a bit more spicy over here :D. i'm crackin' my knuckles, winding up, sharpening the axe, chompin' at the bit. i'm just a-waitin for something worth the energy to take a swing at.

you mean something like this?....."I was feeling pretty bored with the concept of a 4-string bass" (what:confused:????????)....why don't you play Conklin's new 9 string?????over on the EB side they say a 7 suxxxxxx....come on aren't you bored of 7 strings yet????........is this close?;)

Originally posted by BUCHOLICBOY


you mean something like this?....."I was feeling pretty bored with the concept of a 4-string bass" (what:confused:????????)....why don't you play Conklin's new 9 string?????over on the EB side they say a 7 suxxxxxx....come on aren't you bored of 7 strings yet????........is this close?;)


I love this. If this board is still around in 50 or 60 years, the "hot retort" to questions like the above is gonna be, "John Turner only needed 7 strings"....

Originally posted by Phil Smith
Hey BOMBASSTIC18 I thought I'd make a piece offering to ya:

http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Don't over analyze though, it could get freaky.

Hey Phil don't go handing out my bannanas to make peace. You bassturd.

;)

A Banana!


:D

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
BTW that post was directed at Klimbim, my arch-rival earlier in the thread.

Apparently reading is not one of the skills in her setup.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald



I love this. If this board is still around in 50 or 60 years, the "hot retort" to questions like the above is gonna be, "John Turner only needed 7 strings"....

yeah, although some thick-spectacled little malcontent will chime in with a whiny - "but he played an 8 on a few songs". :D

Originally posted by DEAN WORMER


yeah, although some thick-spectacled little malcontent will chime in with a whiny - "but he played an 8 on a few songs". :D


Did you have any particular "thick-spectacled little whiny malcontent" in mind, or was that just a general kinda thing? I'm only asking because your description above doesn't narrow it down much.

Originally posted by gruffpuppy


Hey Phil don't go handing out my bannanas to make peace. You bassturd.

;)

Hey PUPSPEAK I didn't touch your banana, I used a mouse. :D

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald



Did you have any particular "thick-spectacled little whiny malcontent" in mind, or was that just a general kinda thing? I'm only asking because your description above doesn't narrow it down much.

there's a few of 'em over in the BG sandbox. usually ~16 years old, although they've been known to be much older at times :D

Originally posted by Phil Smith
Hey BOMBASSTIC18 I thought I'd make a piece offering to ya:

http://www.gruffpuppy.com/ban.gif

Don't over analyze though, it could get freaky.

Bananas? BANANAS??!??! I ask everyone to either bring your best game directly to the front of the rim or stay out of the paint, and you drive right smack up the middle with a bunch of BANANAS??!?!??!?? :rolleyes: Geez, what kind of flame warriors ARE you guys anyway?

To recap:

SPAZ started the thread, and quickly got mashed to pulp for holding the opinion that BOWS R GAY and SO R U.

Then the thread got sidetracked and everyone was talking about McDonalds and spicy beanburgers.

Next, SLIMJIM and RHINESTONE GLADBAG got into a huge multipage LINDFIELDING contest about the nature of personal experiences and how to use smileys to taunt an opponent, which left the entire free world yawning and thinking that maybe the notion of cleaning the catbox was starting to look like big fun.

Then, PUFFGRUBBY started a diversionary tangent about arco on a swingmaster, which provoked a classic DONOSAUR ode to pithiness post, which led to much prolonged sillines from the peanut gallery.

The thread kind of dribbled along for a while, until PASTRYQUEEN18 tried to stir the pot with a watered-down rant against electronic amplification, which brought FLAT HEADSTONE and PALE SMURF (aka - the "FLAT and PALE show" ) back into the fray.

At the this point, the regulars were begging for a mercy flush, and I asked people to either step it up or step it out. And what do you guys come up with?

Bananas. :rolleyes:

What would Dikembe say to anyone bringing dancing bananas into the paint? I'm guessing that he'd shake his head back and forth, waggle his right index finger, and respectfully request that you not bring your frail and somewhat anemic excremental material anywhere near the painted area of the floor.

I can't remember who said it, but I think the best reply in the whole thread was from some DBer or other who replied directly to SPAZ' original question with the beautiful and succinct phrase, "No. We only hate STUPID bassists. "

Well said, whoever you were. Thread closed. :cool: