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bassist 4 life
01-13-2006, 04:10 AM
Hey, excuse my stupidness but, how do I know which key I'm in?

Bruce Lindfield
01-13-2006, 04:13 AM
...by analysing the chord sequence and how it resolves.

Howard K
01-13-2006, 04:14 AM
you just do :eyebrow:

sorry, only joking. this question has been asked and answered in great depth numerous times on TB, if you search you should find a lot of helpful information.

In short, and to summarise, the key your're in is the root note and quality of the chord the music naturally wants to end on. If your song moves towards and 'feels like home' when it hits a G minor chord, then you are very probably in the key of G minor.

bassist 4 life
01-13-2006, 08:19 AM
So if the lick im playing goes like this AbAbAbCCAA
I'm in the key of Ab?

Howard K
01-13-2006, 08:22 AM
I have no idea. Like I said, it depends where it feels like it's going? If Ab feels like where it should rest, chances are it's in Ab.

bassist 4 life
01-13-2006, 08:29 AM
Mmhmm... For example, if I throw in any lick that starts with Ab and it will go along smoothly with AbAbAbCCAA does this mean im in Ab :p?

BassChuck
01-13-2006, 08:32 AM
Or..... if you think of the Ab as G#, then you are in A minor

bassist 4 life
01-13-2006, 08:35 AM
huh ?:eyebrow: :crying:

Bruce Lindfield
01-13-2006, 09:22 AM
You don't have to be in any particular key - many rock/pop things are ambiguous about key and it's really impossible to say.

If you don't intend to play in any key - then it's pretty easy to play random notes that give no indication of any key.

thekyle
01-13-2006, 12:57 PM
Or..... if you think of the Ab as G#, then you are in A minor


Nope. Ab (or G#) is the major 7th of A.

stedtale
01-13-2006, 01:10 PM
Nope. Ab (or G#) is the major 7th of A.

Correct, G# is the major seveth, but you can have a major seventh in minor keys too. G# is the major 7th for A harmonic or melodic minor. That's how you can have a V7 in a minor key. E7 is used quite frequently as the dom. chord in Am. G# is a better leading tone to A than G(nat) is.

A harmonic minor scale
A B C D E F G# A G# F E D C B A
up...................down.................

melodic minor scale
A B C D E F# G# A G F E D C B A
up.....................down...............


But it still doesn't let us know what key he's playing in unless we know what everyone else is playing. Could be lots of keys...or none at all...


Sorry, all those years of Therory are comming back.

leanne
01-19-2006, 01:16 AM
Hey, excuse my stupidness but, how do I know which key I'm in?
Look at the key signature.
:D

Bruce Lindfield
01-19-2006, 05:31 AM
Look at the key signature.
:D


Major or Minor.....? :eyebrow:

ryco
01-19-2006, 09:28 AM
Listen for the leading tone

daffy
01-19-2006, 03:22 PM
If it's written out for you, then the key signature of the piece will tell you what major or relative minor key you are in. For instance:
- no sharps or flats = C major or A minor
- one sharp = G major or E minor
- one flat = F Major or D minor

etc.

Once you know that, you can work out if you are in a major or minor mode by the feel of the notes or chord progressions in the piece. Very often the very first chord or note will give it away - it will be the root chord or note of the key. Other times the first chord/note of some key part of the song will help - first verse, chorus, coming out of a bridge, etc.

Sometimes, it is the predominance of major vs. minor mode chords in the song - if you know the chords that make up a key it helps.

You get the hang of it after a short while.

Bluez Dawg
01-19-2006, 05:47 PM
Oh yeah Bruce, buddy their is no dumb questions. Only questions thats dumb are the ones that do not get asked.

Bruce Lindfield
01-20-2006, 02:40 AM
Oh yeah Bruce, buddy their is no dumb questions. Only questions thats dumb are the ones that do not get asked.

Eh? Are you talking to me...? :hmm:

Bluez Dawg
01-20-2006, 11:31 AM
Opps, sorry Bruce I ment to say it to Bassist 4 life.

dougjwray
01-20-2006, 11:47 AM
Just use your ears.

d8g3jdh
01-20-2006, 10:21 PM
someone else said this in a similar thread, but...

ask the keyboard player!

Thank you and goodnight!

bassist 4 life
01-21-2006, 06:53 AM
Well thanks guys, you really helped, I understand it more now =D! Yipee.