anyone tried this? I've seen Dan Berglund (E.S.T.) use one. Any comments? Are they pricey?

I haven't tried it with the DB yet. (Haven't got a pickup yet.) Make sure you get the bass wah. (Or you can adjust a gtr wah to target bass frequencies.) I got a Dunlop Crybaby Bass Wah for about $75; 10+ yrs ago.

anyone tried this? I've seen Dan Berglund (E.S.T.) use one. Any comments? Are they pricey?

I seem to remember that Eberhard Weber used some kind of signal processing on those ECM albums, that I think are still avaliable. Viktor Krauss's latest album has all kinds of "little boxes" on it. It's also possible that Miroslav Vitous used a pedal in the early Weather Report Albums.

Ric

anyone tried this? I've seen Dan Berglund (E.S.T.) use one. Any comments? Are they pricey?

Hi. I seriously think about buying some effects for DB... especially after listening to E.S.T. Few weeks ago they played a concert in my town and I was impressed! The idea of using effects for making the truly acoustic sound deeper, more intriguing and coloured is great! Dan played with overdrive and some space effects (delay, maybe waa waa).
As far as prices are concerned, I've found this (Europe):

http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_morley_pwv_ii_wah_volume_prodinfo.html

http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_dunlop_mistercry_ew95v_prodinfo.html

I've also heard many good opinions about EBS effects for DB.

Regards
Pat

Sorry for highjacking the thread, but I am also interested in this topic. Although I am not particularly interested in a wah wah pedal, but would love to know if anyone is using any pedal to add to the sustain of their upright. In other words, I am looking for (this may sound strange given that so many people are looking for the opposite effect) an effect that makes their upright sound more like an electric guitar. I hate playing the electric guitar, but note that there are some electric blues songs that my band is doing that would sound good with the bass having a bit more of the electric type sustain.

peace,

Will

Sorry for highjacking the thread, but I am also interested in this topic. Although I am not particularly interested in a wah wah pedal, but would love to know if anyone is using any pedal to add to the sustain of their upright. In other words, I am looking for (this may sound strange given that so many people are looking for the opposite effect) an effect that makes their upright sound more like an electric guitar. I hate playing the electric guitar, but note that there are some electric blues songs that my band is doing that would sound good with the bass having a bit more of the electric type sustain.

peace,

Will

Use a compressor.

Also, Spirocores and an Underwood pickup (which is compress-y) will enhance the sustain. You can also increase sustain in how you pull the string -- as long as the bass naturally has the sustain (setup, etc.).

With Spiros, an Underwood and three or four beers I can get sustain that would have made Jaco jealous.... :)

It's also possible that Miroslav Vitous used a pedal in the early Weather Report Albums.

Ric
Yup. There's some pretty wild arco through a wah on "I Sing The Body Electric".

...As far as prices are concerned, I've found this (Europe):
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_morley_pwv_ii_wah_volume_prodinfo.html
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_dunlop_mistercry_ew95v_prodinfo.html


Thanks for that. are those pedals for bass then and not guitar?

i'm so very tempted to buy one, but also so very, very broke. :crying:

I am looking for an effect that makes their upright sound more like an electric guitar. I hate playing the electric guitar, but note that there are some electric blues songs that my band is doing that would sound good with the bass having a bit more of the electric type sustain.

A good overdrive pedal will do that - it will provide the compression as well as the extra edge to the sound.

Regarding wah on DB - I've found that an auto wah (or envelope filter) works better. I have an old MXR that's good, but hope to add a MoogerFooger to my collection.

Oh geez, be careful using compressors and overdrives...holy feedback, Batman!!! The last thing you need with amplified DB is MORE gain in the signal chain :help:

Charlie Haden also used a wah pedal back in the 70s.

A good overdrive pedal will do that - it will provide the compression as well as the extra edge to the sound.

Regarding wah on DB - I've found that an auto wah (or envelope filter) works better. I have an old MXR that's good, but hope to add a MoogerFooger to my collection.
Envelope filter prolly would work better. Could get tricky trying to work the wah and hold the bass...but I like the wah effect better for the control it provides.

I use a Dunlop wa-wa peddle from time to time, lots of fun, heads really perk up when you do a solo with it. I’d be fun to try one of those all-in-one stomp box devices.

More sustain? I hear the sound of the drummer asking....where did the "One" go? Yep, a compressor should do the trick though, as long as you don't care what the "natural" bass tone sounds like. "Obvious" unatural sustain being the ultimate goal, ultimate overall tone would be secondary. I like the old Urei LA 4, or the DBX 160. Great compressors!

Even better could be to get some blues chops happening with the bow. A life long endeavor!

Anybody familiar with the late Motoharu Yoshizawa? He sometimes ran an EUB through effects combined with extended techniques to make some really out-there sounds.

No, but I'd like to hear more. I've found some of his albums available online. Thanks for the tip!

FYI, the Mikami-Haino-Yoshizawa "Live In The First Year Of Heisei" don't seem to include any effects on bass. The Kazuki Tomokawa albums which feature Yoshizawa on a few tracks do. Definitely not for everyone, though!

dan berglund uses a line 6 bass pod i believe. i tried one and loved the effects but didn't like the way it coloured the double bass sound. it's impossible to by-pass the amp simulator. he has a mike suspended under the bridge of his bass and i can only guess the sound guys (who travel with the band) know how and when to mix this in to get a great natural sound.
so i'm now going the pedal route. i have a realist pick up - fishman pro eq pre amp - fulltone bass drive - dunlop bass wah - boss bass chorus - vox volume pedal all played through an swr redhead. it's an exciting ride to say the least. i have used it on the album and at gigs and it's great fun.
richard
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Charlie Haden also used a wah pedal back in the 70s.

Did he use it on anything else besides Mortgage on my Soul (wah wah) on that Keith Jarret album Birth? He sounds wicked on that song.

I saw Christian McBride 2 years ago at Iridium. He had all sorts of stomp boxes at his feet, I don't recall a wah specifically. He seemed to use them mostly with the bow, for "sci-fi" effects. Very well EQed no feedback. I enjoyed the envelope stretch.

Did he use it on anything else besides Mortgage on my Soul (wah wah) on that Keith Jarret album Birth? He sounds wicked on that song.

charlie haden used the wah-wah in the song "rock the clock" on ornette colemans album "science fiction".

Anybody has a clue of what pickup or mic Dan Berglund is using? I just ordered myself some nice upright (my first :D:D:D:D:D:D:D ) and I wanna get some ideas for pickups and effects

I have a very nice Xotic Bass BB preamp that is one hell of a distortion unit and a line 6 delay pedal that really does the job... oh and btw someone said that I could adjust my crybaby to target the bass frequencies? thatd be just great... is that even possible? cuz Id really love to give this pedal a little boost :D

btw im really ecstatic about joining this forum and especially the world of double bass :D:D:D:D:D

Another person to check out doing some of this stuff is Charnett Moffett.

I haven't tried it with the DB yet. (Haven't got a pickup yet.) Make sure you get the bass wah. (Or you can adjust a gtr wah to target bass frequencies.) I got a Dunlop Crybaby Bass Wah for about $75; 10+ yrs ago.

Anyone has an idea how to make a guitar wah to target bass frequencies? plz :D

Another person to check out doing some of this stuff is Charnett Moffett.

Did he tour with Ornette Coleman on that last tour in '07? If it was him, then indeed he was using a wah but with an Eminence EUB. Meaning that feedback would not be an issue. At least not as much as it would be if he was using the wah with a "normal" upright. If it wasn't him then never mind :) That said, I have tried effects on an upright and never got a satisfactory response. All kinds of ungodly squeals and non musical feedback. Big time yuck. If you figure something out, please let me know as I would be very interested.
As far as mods for wah pedals I am sure there must be a thread on the Electric side of the forum. Plenty of guys out there tweaking every pedal known to man. And bless them for that :)

Sorry for highjacking the thread, but I am also interested in this topic. Although I am not particularly interested in a wah wah pedal, but would love to know if anyone is using any pedal to add to the sustain of their upright. In other words, I am looking for (this may sound strange given that so many people are looking for the opposite effect) an effect that makes their upright sound more like an electric guitar. I hate playing the electric guitar, but note that there are some electric blues songs that my band is doing that would sound good with the bass having a bit more of the electric type sustain.

I asked this question a while back and some folks suggested that I get one of those bass sound processors. There are some pretty cheap boxes around including one by Behringer. I never ended up trying it however and in fact a couple of weeks ago I broke down and bought an electric bass guitar after years of saying I would never go near one. :)

I was playing a gig at school, myself and a drummer were doing some crazy experimental music. I had a wah, octave, octave distortion, and delay on my upright. It was a lot of fun, I got some really wild sounds out of my bass.

I talked to Dan last time EST was in Chicago. He was using a Fishman BP-100 and an small diaphram AKG mic (not sure which one) wrapped in foam and shoved between the feet of his bridge. He had some pod effects thing. He had a GK 800rb (rented I'd assume) and a pair of Hartke cabs. He said it is a mic that he borrowed from Esbjorn. He got a killer sound both effected and clean.

Check out That 1 Guy. www.that1guy.com He built a one string upright out of steel pipe and uses all kinds of effects and drum triggers.

I talked to Dan last time EST was in Chicago. He was using a Fishman BP-100 and an small diaphram AKG mic (not sure which one) wrapped in foam and shoved between the feet of his bridge. He had some pod effects thing. He had a GK 800rb (rented I'd assume) and a pair of Hartke cabs. He said it is a mic that he borrowed from Esbjorn. He got a killer sound both effected and clean.

Thanks a lot for the info :D Im kinda obsessed by E.S.T.'s music lately, got their last 3 cds and I cant stop listening to them... anyways im getting myself some nice first carved chineese upright bass and I was wondering what gear dan berglund was using since I cant see anything on the E.S.T. videos I watched... But now that I know, it surely is giving me ideas :D Although, Im pretty surprised that he is only using a line6 pod for is distortion cuz... its sounds good ... and I though the only really good thing line6 did was the delay (green) pedal that I have right here... Thank a lot!

Okay, I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but who is EST? It may be one of those things where I know them and it's just not clicking. Help me please!

I seem to remember Stanley Clarke using a Wah on one of his early solo albums, "Children of Forever."

Okay, I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but who is EST? It may be one of those things where I know them and it's just not clicking. Help me please!

E.S.T. stands for Esbjorn Svensson Trio...
Now if you don't know Esbjorn Svensson, it's obvious you don't know the band since I'm pretty sure he's the most "famous" member... They're style is labeled as Neo Bop and hmmm I guess you could say that Esbjorn has some chaotically melodic playing that can make you fall off your chair and give you goosebumps at the same time and yeah, the drummer is great and Dan Berglund (the upright bass player) is some crazy mother******. A good example could be the song "When god invented the coffee break" that can easily be viewed on youtube.... Im kinda stuck on them... its a great band... thats about it... :D

I use a wah on the bass, when it seems like it would be cool and fun, bass wah cry baby,but you got to set up the frequency range and the volume right so you don't feed back, I also have used and use a whammy, though for higher pitches it get out of tune easily, but with a bow and a delay you get some nice sounds and solo's. I always use a reverb for bowing when amplified through a piezo, it kind of softens up the sound, makes it sweeter. The piezo usually make the bow sound more like a saw. I set the whammy so only an octave up was herd and with a wah it was pretty cool, doing guitar like riffs. Of coarse it was a three piece band that had no guitar, I guess it would make no sense doing it if there was a guitarist. But I think we should try everything out, it doesn't you have to keep buying effects, and pedals, you can always borrow from a friend to try it out.