Hello guys,
as some of you know already, I sent in an order for a Roscoe Century V.

Swamp Ash body (hopefully a light one)
Bubinga top (Waterfall)
Maple neck
Ebony fb
Bartolini package
19mm(3/4") spacing
Satin finish

I'd love to know what do you think about it....I mean, what would you expect given these specs.

Thanks a lot.

Mo'

Not an expert on Roscoes, but here's my 2 cents....I think IT IS GOING TO BE A MONSTER!!! No seriuosly, and although I have not had the plasure of playing a Roscoe wuith these specs, I believe that the tone of bubinga on ash will provide you with good strong lows, bright crystalline highs and lots of punch...just look at Master Gard's beautiful fretless, it is this same recipe for success. The one thing I dont like as much (but nevertheless I still dig) is the ebony FB...I find a it a bit "snappy" sounding, but it is definitely a great FB wood (I like the tone of my bass bit more warm and "acoustic-like", hence I favored rosewood on mine).

Sounds great to me, but what are you going after? If you want it for a little slapping, you may want to go with the Demeter preamp with Nordstom PUPS. Some guys, like Basso Gruvitas like the Aggie preamp.

Have fun.

Thanks guys!

I like Ebony. I owned Pedulla, Fodera, KenSmith and I've always knew it would have been the fb on my custom bass!

I'm looking for a tight low growl/burb with clean, crispy highs. I'm not really into slap, I'll do it if it's required by the song/track... so for me it's more about a very cutting finger sound.
This is a nice example of what I'm trying to achieve:clip1 (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3) clip2 (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/breakfastatigors.mp3)

About slap... I have my Metro MS5! Once the Roscoe'll be on duty, I'll reinstall the original Sadowsky pups, but in a '70 placement for "that" slap sound!

Enjoy :smug:

Mo'

Jaz

Sounds great - I am a fan of the bart set up - I find it gives me a phat 'n funky finger sound, with plenty of growl if I need it. I find it gives a good clean slap sound if you want it and ,most of the time I run it flat.

Jaz

Sounds great - I am a fan of the bart set up - I find it gives me a phat 'n funky finger sound, with plenty of growl if I need it. I find it gives a good clean slap sound if you want it and ,most of the time I run it flat.

Hello there,
agreed!

The bass in the clips has Bart electronics, Swamp Ash and composite/diamondwood neck/fb.

Mo'

Not an expert on Roscoes, but here's my 2 cents....I think IT IS GOING TO BE A MONSTER!!! No seriuosly, and although I have not had the plasure of playing a Roscoe wuith these specs, I believe that the tone of bubinga on ash will provide you with good strong lows, bright crystalline highs and lots of punch...just look at Master Gard's beautiful fretless, it is this same recipe for success. The one thing I dont like as much (but nevertheless I still dig) is the ebony FB...I find a it a bit "snappy" sounding, but it is definitely a great FB wood.


+1

Hello Gard,
no news about my bass?

Did you guys already start building it?

Thanks.

Mo'

Hello Gard,
no news about my bass?

Did you guys already start building it?

Thanks.

Mo'

Nothing to show you yet, Mo, sorry.

Nothing to show you yet, Mo, sorry.

:( my usual calm and patience are starting to show no control :eek: damn GAS :smug:

Gard, ....tell me something good.... :help: :D

Mo'

Gard, ....tell me something good....

He's out today on vacation, so I'll tell you something good: You're a very nice person and a great bass player, Mo'.


Is that good enough? :D

Mo,
When did you place your order? If it was 6 - 8 weeks ago, don't expect much for the next 6 - 8 weeks.

Experience talking: pics are a boon, but my advice is to not live each day expecting new news. It'll drive you crazy. "Big" Progress on the instrument only really takes place the last month of production.

No slam against anyone. It's just the way it is.

:D Mo,
When did you place your order? If it was 6 - 8 weeks ago, don't expect much for the next 6 - 8 weeks.

Experience talking: pics are a boon, but my advice is to not live each day expecting new news. It'll drive you crazy. "Big" Progress on the instrument only really takes place until the last month of production.

No slam against anyone. It's just the way it is.

True true, Roscoe has a very consistent build process....not much happens for a while and then all at once it's just done. It seems weird but there's a method to it. I'm not trying to speak for Gard, this is just IME.

I can't wait for mine, but I can wait. If yanamsayn.

W

Also, I got lucky because Jivesound had a production slot starting up the next week!!! ;)

I just went through all this stuff, so I DO feel for ya'. :D

The delay in time from the time the order is placed to completion has little to do with time spent actually building the bass. It has far more to do with waiting until your turn comes up on the build schedule. This is why there are often long periods of inactivity followed by rapid progress.

The delay in time from the time the order is placed to completion has little to do with time spent actually building the bass. It has far more to do with waiting until your turn comes up on the build schedule. This is why there are often long periods of inactivity followed by rapid progress.

+1 I learned this waiting for my bass. I had to constantly tell myself that there are many other basses before mine....
:)

Hello guys,
thanks for the encouraring words!

I placed an order through TPB because they had an open slot for a batch due toward the end of August. Gard garantee non later then the early Sept.

So I'm just excited and giving some hard time to Gard :D

Have a wonderfull week and JPJ, yes it's good enough :smug:

Mo'

Hello guys,
thanks for the encouraring words!

I placed an order through TPB because they had an open slot for a batch due toward the end of August. Gard garantee non later then the early Sept.

So I'm just excited and giving some hard time to Gard :D

Have a wonderfull week and JPJ, yes it's good enough :smug:

Mo'
Silly boy. There is Swiss Time, Latin Time and Custom Bass Build Time

We all know which is the most anticipated and slowest.:D

I feel your pain as well and know what you are going through. I placed my order for twin cocobolo SKB 3000's (fretted /fretless) back in February. The first drop of sawdust hasn't hit the floor yet; I haven't even got to pick out the tops for that matter. But it's no big deal in my mind anymore . The trick to the whole waiting game (or at least for me) is to just try to forget that you even placed the order and not dwell too much on them (or even look at too many of the beautiful Roscoe pictures that are getting posted) ...yeah, yeah, it's hard to do, but eventually you get tired of asking "have you started yet?" ....a few weeks later... "have you started yet?"....because we all know what the answer is probably going to be anyways..."Not yet, but next week for sure"...LOL! :D Sorry Gard, had to throw that in there. :hiding:

Not slamming the company at all, because to me I'd rather wait patiently and have them done right by not annoying or trying to rush progress along. I've got alot of money (for me anyways) tied up in this and hopefully it will be a lifelong investment. I think it should be worth the wait of the nearly 6 months so far (hopefully not too many more though) for a better peace of mind. I've heard of a few waiting longer than me so I guess it's all just part of the custom order waiting game. Of course in the end, it's all about opening that brown box on delivery day and giving that sigh of relief with a very big smile on your face. :)

Silly boy. There is Swiss Time, Latin Time and Custom Bass Build Time

We all know which is the most anticipated and slowest.:D

.... the Latin Time???:D :scowl: :rolleyes: :smug:

I'm originally from Switzerland, actually, but from the South. The Italian region. So I'm fully Latin, culturally and temperament :eek:
Anyway, it's only because they guaranteed me that slot (read short time) that I have put down the order for a custom bass... we'll see :(

Mo'

.... the Latin Time???:D :scowl: :rolleyes: :smug:

I'm originally from Switzerland, actually, but from the South. The Italian region. So I'm fully Latin, culturally and temperament :eek:
Anyway, it's only because they guaranteed me that slot (read short time) that I have put down the order for a custom bass... we'll see :(

Mo'
In NY, Latin time meant what ever time it was plus about 2 1/2 hours. As a student, just about every time we had a hispanic person due in the clinic they were about 2- 2 1/2 hours late. It was pretty funny.

And please folks, I worked in a clinic in a Hispanic neighborhood after I got our of school. I gained a huge amount of respect for the Hispanic community. They were very hard working, paid their bills and were very appreciative of my services.

In NY, Latin time meant what ever time it was plus about 2 1/2 hours. As a student, just about every time we had a hispanic person due in the clinic they were about 2- 2 1/2 hours late. It was pretty funny.

I did understand what you meant :smug: I know about that :p
The Latin culture is more of a laid back, easy going one.... "man, take it easy, relax..." ... I love that.... ehm, not always :D

Edit: I was just pointing out the fact you've mentioned Swiss, Latin and Builder and I'm related to all of them !!!

And please folks, I worked in a clinic in a Hispanic neighborhood after I got our of school. I gained a huge amount of respect for the Hispanic community. They were very hard working, paid their bills and were very appreciative of my services.

Agreed with that!


........

BTW, my bass is coming along!!!

Mo'

........

BTW, my bass is coming along!!!

Mo'



......:ninja: .... Gard?..... it is coming along, right ?


:smug:


Mo'

......:ninja: .... Gard?..... it is coming along, right ?


:smug:


Mo'


"...it'll be two weeks...."


;)

Careful Basso, that comes awfully close to " Messing wit da family";) You might just wake up to find your Roscoe gone, and a horse head in your bed.:D

....:eek: .....


:D


Actually, Basso is not too far from the truth! I've already saw the neck...at least some kind of a shape of a neck :hyper:

Mo'

Careful Basso, that comes awfully close to " Messing wit da family";) You might just wake up to find your Roscoe gone, and a horse head in your bed.:D


*Marlon Brando voice*

"You don' mess wit' the Gardfather. Otherwise he'll make it ANOTHER two weeks! You got a problem wit dat? We may have to send Keith to 'convince' you not to talk dat way.

*Marlon Brando voice*

"You don' mess wit' the Gardfather. Otherwise he'll make it ANOTHER two weeks! You got a problem wit dat? We may have to send Keith to 'convince' you not to talk dat way.

... and we don't want this, right? :mad: ... :smug:

Mo'

"...it'll be two weeks...."


;)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Now tell the truth Basso......

Don't you miss waiting on a new Roscoe to be completed?

If not, you will!;)

There's just something about that anticipation!:help: :help: :help:

Ah. Just like the two minute warning in football.

OK - September is officially 1/3 of the way through...any further news?

OK - September is officially 1/3 of the way through...any further news?
..... :mad: damn luthiers! never trust a luthier's word :rollno:


:eek: JUST KIDDING !!! :D

This is part of an email I got from Gard about my bass (Wed 9/6):

<<.... a LOT of stuff done all at one time. Your body will hopefully get cut out today, which means that we'll get your bass in the final stages of finishing next week! Thanks for the patience!..... >>

Monday I should get some pics of the body and neck...

... It's coming... :hyper:

Mo'

Ah yes, the old "next week" email. Hang in there, my friends. It will be worth it.

:o " Ohhhhhh, the waaaaaittiiinnnnggggg is the hardest paaarrttttt." ;)

Really guys, it's not that big of a deal I mean, I have one coming in 5 days 14.3 hours 6 minutes and 43 seconds, and I'm not in the least bit anxious. 42,41,40,39,38,.............

Hang in there, my friends. It will be worth it.

Oh Yeah! That's an understatement!:)

It's been almost a year since I took delivery of my last Roscoe and I'm still in the honeymoon!:bassist:

Utopia!:hyper:

Gard called me today... 'cause a finish matter!.... looks like I'm going to change the finish on the back of the bass... actually it was something I wanted to do, but I didn't know what I wanted :rolleyes: ... so Gard (or Keith) proposed a sunburst! Fine with me!
...and since I'll be out of town 'till the end of this month, they'll have no rush to finish it... almost! :(

...I'm still waiting for the pics, tho! :crying:

Mo'

Ok, I'm hopeless with technology! I don't know how to "shrink" a pic to be attached here :rollno: , so here you have a link to some pics of my Roscoe Century V (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179).

:D

M

Ok, I'm hopeless with technology! I don't know how to "shrink" a pic to be attached here :rollno: , so here you have a link to some pics of my Roscoe Century V (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=/fe31scd).

:D

M

Maurillo,
You did the technical stuff just right! That is some serious bubinga on that Century! Wenge or ebony fingerboard? And which preamp are you going with....sorry I just can't keep track of everyone's order.

:eek: Looks like I did it! There you have the pics!

BG, I'm going with Bartolini.
Right at the first post there's all the info...:smug:

I was going for a plain black Ebony fretboard, but looks like the "smoked ebony" are being cut in a different way, quartersawn, so they should be more "stable"!

Mo'

:eek: Looks like I did it! There you have the pics!

BG, I'm going with Bartolini.
Right at the first post there's all the info...:smug:

I was going for a plain black Ebony fretboard, but looks like the "smoked ebony" are being cut in a different way, quartersawn, so they should be more "stable"!

Mo'


Dang-

Now I'm really ready to see some progress pics of my bubinga century sig. My bubinga is quite different from yours, but seeing that pic made me flip. Thats a very cool top BTW. I like the grain pattern.

:eek: Looks like I did it! There you have the pics!

BG, I'm going with Bartolini.
Right at the first post there's all the info...:smug:

I was going for a plain black Ebony fretboard, but looks like the "smoked ebony" are being cut in a different way, quartersawn, so they should be more "stable"!

Mo'

Beautiful bubinga top! I really like the look of the ebony FB. Very classy!

Beautiful bubinga top! I really like the look of the ebony FB. Very classy!
Indeed! I was waiting to see how it would look like and I'm very happy!
Now the tedious wait to see the next step, all put together!

M

Dang-

Now I'm really ready to see some progress pics of my bubinga century sig. My bubinga is quite different from yours, but seeing that pic made me flip. Thats a very cool top BTW. I like the grain pattern.
Thanks!

...somehow I kinda missed this one :D

What's your specs? And you'll go with an Audere, right?

Damnit, too many great preamp out there to choose from!:p

Mo'

mine's pretty much exactly like gards, (century signature 6 fretless, bubinga/ash, wenge wedge neck, birdseye diamondwood fingerboard, and nordstrand DC's) except mine will have the audere 4 band. So I guess now its exactly like gards!!!

I really like the tone of bubinga for a fretless, great mids/low mids
Hoping to have some pics of the body cutout next week, but here is a link to some pics I took at the shop a while back. The neck was pretty much shaped, and we had just picked out the top wood.

http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/wolf1025/Roscoe/

I agree about there being too many great pre's to choose from. There are still a few out there I would really like to check out, glockenklangs on-board being the biggest one. I was pretty set on Demeter until I started looking into the audere.

:eek: madre santissima!

That one is gorgeous, even better then Gard's! ....... sorry Gard:smug:
(I've never been a big fun of sapwoods).

It's interesting, I always loved a darker fretboard, even more for a fretless, but it's just me :D

When it's suppose to be done?

Mo'

hopefully it'll be done within a month, waiting on custom pickup covers for the Nordstrands to be done. The covers are going to match the fingerboard, birdseye diamondwood with exposed poles! And it'll have a ramp between the pickups.

I like that top alot too. Funny you should mention the sapwood, what I wanted originally was a bookmatched piece with a sapwood center stripe. But this top is exquisite! Couldn't pass it up...

That bass's gonna be a sexy babe!!!

I'm glad you went with a non-sap Bubinga! :D

It's gonna be a long month, tho.... !

Mo'

Hello!

... a couple of pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179) added!

I can't wait to see it finished!

Mo'

hopefully it'll be done within a month, waiting on custom pickup covers for the Nordstrands to be done. The covers are going to match the fingerboard, birdseye diamondwood with exposed poles! And it'll have a ramp between the pickups.

I like that top alot too. Funny you should mention the sapwood, what I wanted originally was a bookmatched piece with a sapwood center stripe. But this top is exquisite! Couldn't pass it up...
Hey wolf, how's yours doing?

M

Hey Maurillio! Your bass is looking great, whats your ETA?

Mine is inching closer. Those covers are the holdup right now, I've been told the covers will be shipping out on Friday, so hopefully bot too much longer of a wait. I'll post some pics when I get them

Hello!

... a couple of pics (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=fe31scd&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos) added!

I can't wait to see it finished!

Mo'

REALLY looking nice Mo'...and I'm not a big bubinga fan either! I think this bass will have some really nice mids, but slightly compressed from the ebony board.

Right ON Mo'!! That is Suh Weeet!!:cool:

Thanks guys!
Wolf: the bass will be shipped Monday (at the latest) to the dealer... :hyper:

BG: it's what I hope for, nice mids!

M

Damnit :bawl: ...still waiting for master Gard to tell me if mine has been shipped!

.... Gaaard!?

M

Damnit :bawl: ...still waiting for master Gard to tell me if mine has been shipped!

.... Gaaard!?

M

LOL!:D

Kind of like when you've really got to go to the bathroom! The closer you get the bathroom, the worse you've got to go!:p

Geezzzz....mine's still in the raw material form:(

...... no kidding :D

..... waiting... << loud finger's noise tapping on the desk >> :smug:

M

Mo...best laid plans of mice & men...

:hmm:

...the neck is done, but we're working on the last touches of finishing the body. Once that's done, it's on the way to your dealer and then to you - definitely this week!

Mo...best laid plans of mice & men...

:hmm:

...the neck is done, but we're working on the last touches of finishing the body. Once that's done, it's on the way to your dealer and then to you - definitely this week!


..... I don't believe you anymore :spit:



:D

You guys are killing me!

Mo'

:D got confirmation it's in its way.... :hyper:

As soon as I get pics, I'll post 'em!

:bassist:

M

Woohoo, awesome. You have any finished pics at all?

Go ahead and add UPS.com to your favorites!:D

Post some pics when they're available!:bassist:

Woohoo, awesome. You have any finished pics at all?
.... unfortunately no! James at "theperfectbass" will take some and send them to me. I'll post them here, for sure!

Can't wait!

M

Great, Ill be sure and check back. :)

Ok, it's official, the bass is in its way to home...

"Theperfectbass" is trying to get it to me by this w-e!

Meanwhile, they sent me few pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179#page1)

M

Wow, thats gonna look great.

Not that older ones didnt look awesome too, but lately, everything thats coming out of the shop is just looking stupid nice.

Right on!... although the pics taken by TPB are a little reddish... hopefully the bass will look more like the ones taken by Gard!!!

M

Ooopppsss! I forgot to allow public permission to see the pics...

there you have (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179)!

M

Very nice mo - have you had chance to play her yet??:hyper:

Very nice mo - have you had chance to play her yet??:hyper:

Nope! The bass is in its way to me... Gard says it turned out great... we'll see! Like I've mentioned, I don't like the way it looks on the reddish pics from TBP, but I'm waiting to see it live!

It's schedule to be delivered Monday... I'll let you know!

M

Ooopppsss! I forgot to allow public permission to see the pics...

there you have (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179)!

M

Yeah, the first time I looked, I only saw under construction pic's.
Very nice! Does it have a satin finish?
Cool looking fingerboard!
I really like the new Roscoe signature on the headstock.

I'm sure that you're pumped!:hyper:

Ok, it's official, the bass is in its way to home...

"Theperfectbass" is trying to get it to me by this w-e!

Meanwhile, they sent me few pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179#page1)

M

M,
You are going to SO love this bass! I think you chose a great combination of woods that will give you a lot of mids and a smooth top end. It should be a killer!:bassist:

Very classy!!!!!

Wow Mo,
This thing plays great. Imagine my surprise when it showed up at MY house today. :eek:

James must have looked at his Cali client list and just clicked on the wrong name to send it to.

Now I have TWO new Roscoes to play around with. Don't worry though, I plan on coming to Los Angeles around thanksgiving to visit some friends, and I will be glad to hook up with you and bring it to ya.

You are right, the Perfect bass Pics are a little orange looking, It has more of the Gard Pic look to it.

Plays like buttah. :D




That thing is killer Mo, your gonna love it. ;)

Mo -

It's definitely closer to the reddish-brown in the production photos than the brownish-red of the TPB photos! :) (James needs to work on getting his colors straight! ;) I used natural light for the photos of it during construction - it always gives a more "true" color representation than most flash work.)

Joe, the finish is a satin one, and it turned out very nice. :)

Joel, you're an evil person, and if you don't stop, I will push the magic button I have on my desk that turns your bass to dust. :spit:

;)

Muuuuhahahaha hahahaa cackle cackle. :D

Okay, okay, I'll be nice. But thanks to the Gardfather, I now call my new bass "Dusty". :D :bassist:

I didn't think it was possible to love it more than when I first got it, but this bass gets better every day. :hyper:

You guys are funny :D

Joe, I'm pumped, indeed... and I have to wait for another w-e :(

BG, thanks... I hope it's gonna be "right on"... :smug:

DrMWP, classic! I'm kind of a traditional guy on these stuff!

Joel, Gard is right... you're an evil boy and our Master Gard will punish you :p

Thanks Gard, your pics are very good and, since I know something about wood, I can appreciate you trying to be as accurate as you can!

Now just ... waiting!

M

Gard, I forgot... did you have, by any chance, weighted it? Do you have an idea how heavy/light :smug: it is?
Thanx

M

Gard, I forgot... did you have, by any chance, weighted it? Do you have an idea how heavy/light :smug: it is?
Thanx

M

I don't have a scale that is very exact, it's lighter than my bass, which reads at 11.5 lbs on our scale, IIRC, I popped it on the scale and it read 9.5, but don't take that as being an exact number.

:)

I don't have a scale that is very exact, it's lighter than my bass, which reads at 11.5 lbs on our scale, IIRC, I popped it on the scale and it read 9.5, but don't take that as being an exact number.

:)

That's more than enough, thanks... not too heavy actually, good!

Gard, I forgot why Keith had to change the finish on the back... I can't just not remember... man, it's not easy to get old :D

Thanks sir!

M

I edited the pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179#page1) a little... not a great job :hmm:

M

woa... got it with two days in advance... never happened in shipping history! No complains about that, obviously!

It plays and look even better then expected!

Got new and better, I hope so, pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179).

M

Right On MO, Have fun with your new baby.

Very nice maurilio! The satin finish looks very classy.
Did you have Roscoe add the maple spacer under the bridge to match the pin stripe between the top and body?

Let us know how it sounds.

Very nice maurilio! The satin finish looks very classy.
Did you have Roscoe add the maple spacer under the bridge to match the pin stripe between the top and body?

Let us know how it sounds.
Thanks!

Nope, I didn't know about it and I asked Gard. This is his reply:

<< The wooden plate under the bridge is something that we find necessary pretty
often with the Century Standards. We COULD set it up without that, but then
the bridge saddles are almost all the way at the top of their adjustment,
and Keith just can't stand that - he feels that tonally it's better to have
the plate under the bridge than to have the saddles sitting WAY UP on top of
the adjustment screws. >>

It makes sense for a "ideal" technique, I like a low action underneath the strings right at the neck (for easy slaping) but a higher action (strings far away from the body) at the bridge! So you have to have the neck set in a angle, not parallel to the body (if I make sense. See the pics).

What I don't know is what kind of wood Keith used. Looks like a piece of Bubinga, but I can't tell for sure!

Tomorrow I'll put new strings (I don't like nickel strings) and I'll be testing it on a gig...

Later...

M

Mo

The bass looks superb - another Roscoe masterpiece ( there are some seriously amazing basses coming out of the shop at the moment!).

I really like the bridge spacer - its an unusual and cool touch. Let us know how it sounds ( I am not a great fan of Nickel string either;) .

Looks like a piece of Bubinga, but I can tell for sure!

Yup, bubinga. :)

Glad you're diggin' it Mo, let me know what you think of the tone once you get a chance to gig with it!

Yup, bubinga. :)

Glad you're diggin' it Mo, let me know what you think of the tone once you get a chance to gig with it!
Thanks y'all!

Gard, I will! I was waiting for new strings to coming in Monday, but the bass got here earlier :)

For "that" matter, I'll see what Carey says!

First impressions are good, although the finish feels like if the back of the body was not sanded completely smooth. I kinda like it, tho...more "organic"!
There's small "imperfections" like little grains of dust expecially along the line where the woods/colors separate.... mhh, 'don't know if I make sense!
The most important thing is that the bass feels and play great!
If I can get new strings today, I have a gig this evening...

Have a nice w-e.

M

Looks great Mo!

http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/2341/mokw4.jpg

Thanks emjazz!

Live it's way better! I'm heading right now to a gig... I'll report later how it goes!

Changed strings and it sounds already good...

More later...

M

Thanks y'all!

Gard, I will! I was waiting for new strings to coming in Monday, but the bass got here earlier :)

For "that" matter, I'll see what Carey says!

First impressions are good, although the finish feels like if the back of the body was not sanded completely smooth. I kinda like it, tho...more "organic"!
There's small "imperfections" like little grains of dust expecially along the line where the woods/colors separate.... mhh, 'don't know if I make sense!
The most important thing is that the bass feels and play great!
If I can get new strings today, I have a gig this evening...

Have a nice w-e.

M

Definitely post about the difference with the SS strings, I'm curious - it sounded great with the nickels in the shop.

Ah, good move - I'll give Carey a call and let him know to do what is needed, we'll take care of him if necessary.

On the finish - with the satin, we can't really get too "picture perfect" on filling up the grain on swamp ash (which is one of the charms to me) or sanding between coats, especially after the final coat, and a few things that normally would be sanded or buffed out aren't.

:)

Definitely post about the difference with the SS strings, I'm curious - it sounded great with the nickels in the shop.

Ah, good move - I'll give Carey a call and let him know to do what is needed, we'll take care of him if necessary.

On the finish - with the satin, we can't really get too "picture perfect" on filling up the grain on swamp ash (which is one of the charms to me) or sanding between coats, especially after the final coat, and a few things that normally would be sanded or buffed out aren't.

:)
Hey Gard, thar's much appreciate! woa, that's customer service :bassist:
(in this regard, you have few emails at the office... sorry!)
Like I said, it feels more "organic"
The gig went good... the bass sounds great. I expected a bigger bottom, it can be a tiny bit honky in some songs.... but I have to play it longer to give a more fair opinion! I migh try the nickel one more time, just to compare!
And usually it needs some playing time to brake in...
With all this talking about pups and pre here at TB, now I wonder how the Demeter would sound vs. the Bart... any idea Gard? :smug:

Anyway, I have lots going on this week, I'll report later.

Mo'




...yesterday nite!

With all this talking about pups and pre here at TB, now I wonder how the Demeter would sound vs. the Bart... any idea Gard? :smug:

Anyway, I have lots going on this week, I'll report later.

Mo'




Mo,
IMO the Demeter or Aggie sound better in the Roscoe fretted basses. The last Roscoe I purchased used had the Bart installed. I played it one time, called Gard and Keith and upgraded to the Aggie OBP-3. Totally different sound. After playing Roscoes exclusively with the Demeter and Aggie OBP-3 pre's, the Bart just didn't get it done. I love the Bart in my fretless (great growl and mwah) but IMO the Bart pre in a fretted Roscoe tends to produce mids that are a bit honky (nasual) and fairly harsh highs. I suppose it depends some on your wood selections too.
It's really strange too because my first 3 Roscoe's had Bart pre's and I loved them. But I also used SWR SM-400S amps and Goliath cabinets then and I really went for that scooped sound back then.

Mo,
IMO the Demeter or Aggie sound better in the Roscoe fretted basses. The last Roscoe I purchased used had the Bart installed. I played it one time, called Gard and Keith and upgraded to the Aggie OBP-3. Totally different sound. After playing Roscoes exclusively with the Demeter and Aggie OBP-3 pre's, the Bart just didn't get it done. I love the Bart in my fretless (great growl and mwah) but IMO the Bart pre in a fretted Roscoe tends to produce mids that are a bit honky (nasual) and fairly harsh highs. I suppose it depends some on your wood selections too.
It's really strange too because my first 3 Roscoe's had Bart pre's and I loved them. But I also used SWR SM-400S amps and Goliath cabinets then and I really went for that scooped sound back then.

Thanks a lot JOME77,
IYE, how the Dem vs Bart compare in the low/lowmid end?
I went with the whole Bart package 'cause a friend of mine has this Roscoe SKB3006 (http://www.bassexchange.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=220) and it sounds realy close to what I want! (I know it has different woods)...

Mo'

Thanks a lot JOME77,
IYE, how the Dem vs Bart compare in the low/lowmid end?
I went with the whole Bart package 'cause a friend of mine has this Roscoe SKB3006 (http://www.bassexchange.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=220) and it sounds realy close to what I want! (I know it has different woods)...

Mo'


Mo,
The Demeter has a smoother sounding low end. The mids of the Demeter are much more subtle than the Bart but the result is a more open sounding tone. The original Demeter pre's insalled in the Roscoe's IMO lacked proper mid control. Keith had Demeter fine tune the pre specifically for a Roscoe and the result is an awesome mid tone. The mid switch really adds some nice mid options too.
A/B'ing a Roscoe with a Bart against one with a Demeter is where I really noticed the difference. The Bart sounded almost muffled. Almost like listening to your rig from the side (or maybe with a blanket over the speaker cabinet). The highs of the Demeter are very glassy sounding (very hi-fi). The Bart high end can be fairly harsh. It may be that the Bart treble control has a wider bandwidth and is boosting some high mids.
I also really like the sound of the Aguilar OBP-3 pre. It's kind of a mix of the best qualities of the Bart and Demeter. Nice smooth lows, really great control of mids (smooth not honky or nasual) and nice highs (not really hi-fi but not harsh either). I spec'd out my next 3005 with the OBP-3 pre.

If I had only one Roscoe though, I'd go with the Demeter.

+1 on the Aguilar OBP-3 if you like a versatile instrument that can do the old school tones a lot of justice.

+1 on the Demeter if you like a smooth modern instrument that yields some "sophisticated" tones.

Thanks a lot JOME77,
IYE, how the Dem vs Bart compare in the low/lowmid end?
I went with the whole Bart package 'cause a friend of mine has this Roscoe SKB3006 (http://www.bassexchange.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=220) and it sounds realy close to what I want! (I know it has different woods)...

Mo'

Oh my Lord Mo...your friend has that bass? What a great looking instrument.

Oh my Lord Mo...your friend has that bass? What a great looking instrument.
Yeah, don't tell me!!!!!!!!!! Actually he was a student here at the school where I teach.
That instrument IS insane! The sound is outstanding! The downside, yes there's one, the neck feels chuncky :hmm:

The good news is... mine sounds very good! Although few issues that Gard (read "roscoeguitars") is taking care off...!

More to come......

M

Hello there,
someone can tell me more about the Demeter's specs?
I mean, freq. point...etc...
Maybe some audio clips?
Gard, it's possible to get the Demeter pre from you guys without shipping the bass to you? I've got no problem on electronics, used to be my job...

Thanks a bunch

M

Hello there,
someone can tell me more about the Demeter's specs?
I mean, freq. point...etc...
Maybe some audio clips?
Gard, it's possible to get the Demeter pre from you guys without shipping the bass to you? I've got no problem on electronics, used to be my job...

Thanks a bunch

M

Not much on the Demeter site concerning specific spec's of the preamp but here's a cut & paste on some general info (from their site):

The treble and bass are both shelving controls with 14dB of boost and cut @ 6dB per octave. The middle control is a peak control with plus and minus 12dB of cut and boost @ 6dB per octave. A gentle slope of 6dB per octave was chosen because the amount of phase shift is greatly reduced and the resulting sound is both more cohesive and natural with very little of the comb filtering that would normally happen with a 12dB per octave approach.

There's also a freq. response curve available on their site (Demeteramps.com) if it's helpful at all. Keep in mind though that the one installed in Roscoe's is tuned slightly different.

I'm sure that Gard can get the complete specs from Demeter.

The pre also comes pre wired so the wiring installation is a breeze but you will need to drill a hole in the top of the bass to mount the mid switch. Not a pleasant task to perform on a new bass reguardless of how many times you've done it!:eek: (I never mind doing it to someone elses bass but my heart always skips a beat when doing one of mine).

Apparently the mid frequencies are different with the Roscoe spec'd Demeter pre from the standard Demeter pre.

Joe, thank you very much, REALLY appreciate!
I saw all the specs on the Demeter's web site.... honestly? it's not very satisfying...
To answer to your reply, Andy, I'd love to know, if anyone knows, what are the freqs. and what are the Q's for the mid freq.
I'm still experimenting, but I think this combination of woods (ash and ebony) and Bart pre, is very punchy and almost too honky!!!
So, it would be great to be able to compare Bart vs. Dem...
Who said the bart is a bit harsh on high end, was right!
I'm really wondering how it would sound with a Demeter pre!?
About the Q's switch for the mids, why not using a Push/Pull crtl?

:confused:

Thanks guys for all your responses!

M

I'm really wondering how it would sound with a Demeter pre!?
About the Q's switch for the mids, why not using a Push/Pull crtl?

:confused:

Thanks guys for all your responses!

M

maurilio,
It's been a while since I originally did my research but basically it's a matter of the unavailability of an audio tapper 100K pot with a DPDT push-pull sw. Any other value would negatively affect the midrange control (according to James Demeter). A compromise has already been made using the different value concentric control for the bass/treble (50K in lieu of 100K).

I'm convinced that the Demeter would bring a smile to your face. However, I'll have to admit that I've never heard it in a Roscoe with the ash body.
Gard's heard them in every wood combination imaginable. He's your man on this one!:)

Also, read through this old Thread. It's got some good info:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113281&highlight=demeter+pre

Ok! looks like there's some news on the air.... but no anticipation... I have made a promise!

:eek:


Later on this matter!

M

Ok! looks like there's some news on the air.... but no anticipation... I have made a promise!

:eek:


Later on this matter!

M

:confused: I'm very curious now....

;) me too! :D

M

BTW Joe, thank you!

M

BTW Joe, thank you!

M

You're quite welcome.
You've got my curiosity up a bit too!:hmm:

maurilio,
I'm convinced that the Demeter would bring a smile to your face. However, I'll have to admit that I've never heard it in a Roscoe with the ash body.
Gard's heard them in every wood combination imaginable. He's your man on this one!:)

Also, read through this old Thread. It's got some good info:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113281&highlight=demeter+pre
My 3006 had Barts with the Bart pre. I switched the preamp to the Demeter. That bass had a Swamp Ash body. The change in the preamp made the bass more clear with better slap sound. I don't have the bass anymore because I have moved away from six stringed basses.

Update!

Since the Demeter is no more available and Audere still on its way to be offer as an upgrade, I've decided to get Nordstrand pups.

The bass sounds great, very, stupid low action and easy on my hands. The "geometry" of the Century body make the 35" scale a breeze to play!
After experimenting with nickel and SS, I'm back with SS. I'm a steel man :rolleyes:
The Ash/Bubinga/Ebony with Bartolini pups combo gets a little too honky/nasal. I'm not very sure how to explain those mids, to whatever eq set up, they're still there. So, since I've already had experience with the Bartolini pre with "Deep", CB and Nordstrand and I know they are inside the Deep models, I hope to find a smoother tone with the Nord (without loosing too much the nice lows/low mids from the Bart!)...
I'll report later on the development of this case :smug:

M

Update!

Since the Demeter is no more available and Audere still on its way to be offer as an upgrade, I've decided to get Nordstrand pups.

The bass sounds great, very, stupid low action and easy on my hands. The "geometry" of the Century body make the 35" scale a breeze to play!
After experimenting with nickel and SS, I'm back with SS. I'm a steel man :rolleyes:
The Ash/Bubinga/Ebony with Bartolini pups combo gets a little too honky/nasal. I'm not very sure how to explain those mids, to whatever eq set up, they're still there. So, since I've already had experience with the Bartolini pre with "Deep", CB and Nordstrand and I know they are inside the Deep models, I hope to find a smoother tone with the Nord (without loosing too much the nice lows/low mids from the Bart!)...
I'll report later on the development of this case :smug:

M


Mo, the low/low mids comes from the pickups, not the preamp.

Mo, the low/low mids comes from the pickups, not the preamp.

Not quite true - the Bart pre definately has a low/lowmid pre shape in the eq, along with some high end cut. When I relaced mine with a Audere it was very noticable.

Plus - on a Roscoe as the pups are set towards the bridge, there is a more mid prominence to the overall sound, the bart pre just adds some bottom and low mid to beef it out.

Hello guys, thanks.

I'm more with Poptart on this, but like I have said... we'll see!

Have a wonderful w-e

M

Update!

Since the Demeter is no more available and Audere still on its way to be offer as an upgrade, I've decided to get Nordstrand pups.

The bass sounds great, very, stupid low action and easy on my hands. The "geometry" of the Century body make the 35" scale a breeze to play!
After experimenting with nickel and SS, I'm back with SS. I'm a steel man :rolleyes:
The Ash/Bubinga/Ebony with Bartolini pups combo gets a little too honky/nasal. I'm not very sure how to explain those mids, to whatever eq set up, they're still there. So, since I've already had experience with the Bartolini pre with "Deep", CB and Nordstrand and I know they are inside the Deep models, I hope to find a smoother tone with the Nord (without loosing too much the nice lows/low mids from the Bart!)...
I'll report later on the development of this case :smug:

M

Cool!:cool:

Looking forward to hearing your opinion on the combination.

I suspect that it'll be more to your liking. Reguardless, you'll still have the option of trying the Aggie or Audere pre's (I also suspect that Demeter would sell you a Roscoe tuned Demeter pre if it came down to that ;); IMO the Demeter would even smooth out the nasual tone of the jolly green giant's voice with a head cold).

Cool!:cool:

Looking forward to hearing your opinion on the combination.

I suspect that it'll be more to your liking. Reguardless, you'll still have the option of trying the Aggie or Audere pre's (I also suspect that Demeter would sell you a Roscoe tuned Demeter pre if it came down to that ;); IMO the Demeter would even smooth out the nasual tone of the jolly green giant's voice with a head cold).
Hey Joe,
yeap! I like the way the Bart pre sounds, it has a little bump on the low mids and a little muted on the highs. This bass is already almost too bright! For what I can tell reading all the posts around TB, the Demeter might be a little too smooth...
This (http://www.laurus.it/audiofiles/fierabracci.mp3) and this (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3) are a good examples of what I'm leaning to!

We'll see....

M

Hey Joe,
yeap! I like the way the Bart pre sounds, it has a little bump on the low mids and a little muted on the highs. This bass is already almost too bright! For what I can tell reading all the posts around TB, the Demeter might be a little too smooth...
This (http://www.laurus.it/audiofiles/fierabracci.mp3) and this (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3) are a good examples of what I'm leaning to!

We'll see....

M

Buy a Pedulla. ;)

Mo, both of those clips are of guys who play basses with an all Bartolini setup. Have you tried the Bartolini CB pickups? (please excuse me if you've mentioned that you have already...).

Hey Joe,
yeap! I like the way the Bart pre sounds, it has a little bump on the low mids and a little muted on the highs. This bass is already almost too bright! For what I can tell reading all the posts around TB, the Demeter might be a little too smooth...
This (http://www.laurus.it/audiofiles/fierabracci.mp3) and this (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3) are a good examples of what I'm leaning to!

We'll see....

M

Nothing wrong with those tones!:)

You'll get there!

Mo, I know you've talked to plenty of people about this, but if your bass is already as bright as you say than I don't know that Nordies will be the right direction for you. They'll have more bite and be brighter than the Barts. Maybe you can have Carey overwind your pickups for you?

I'd still suggest the Bart classic bass pickups first though if you havn't tried them.

Mo, I know you've talked to plenty of people about this, but if your bass is already as bright as you say than I don't know that Nordies will be the right direction for you. They'll have more bite and be brighter than the Barts. Maybe you can have Carey overwind your pickups for you?

I'd still suggest the Bart classic bass pickups first though if you havn't tried them.
Hey Andy, I actually thought about the CB. Ric and Scott (the two guys from the clips) both have CB on their basses :rolleyes:

I have this feeling, for my experience, the traditional Bart are not so muted. It's the big honky mid presence that makes make them a little unbalance. With the Nordie, I remember, the spectrum is more even, making them "smoother"...
I'm waiting an answer from Gard about the CB...

Later...

M

Hey Andy, I actually thought about the CB. Ric and Scott (the two guys from the clips) both have CB on their basses :rolleyes:

I have this feeling, for my experience, the traditional Bart are not so muted. It's the big honky mid presence that makes make them a little unbalance. With the Nordie, I remember, the spectrum is more even, making them "smoother"...
I'm waiting an answer from Gard about the CB...

Later...

M

The CB's are a more balanced version of the Bartolini sound. They don't have that push in the mids like what you're hearing.

The CB's are a more balanced version of the Bartolini sound. They don't have that push in the mids like what you're hearing.
Exactly! problem.... not stocked anywhere! I mean the P45CBC! who knows how long it would take to get them...

I guess I'll try the Nordie. Carey is a good friend and a master on his job... we'll make it work!

Later, I'm out for a gig....

M

!!!

Tomorrow, Sat, I'm getting together with Carey for the pups :hyper:


... now, something else :rolleyes:

... I'm a little ashamed about asking this, I've never done something like that public...
since I'm cursed with the "ability/passion" of customizing everything I own... I feel like the black hardware on my Roscoe makes the bass looking a little dull... what do you guys thing... Gold or Chrome?

I know, it's a silly and expensive whim, be nice guys :hiding:

Pictures (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179)

If there's someone able to photoshop it with both Chrome and Gold, I'll remember it when Christmas time comes :D

Thanks!

Mo'

Mo

I am quite partial to black and gold, see what you think. The knobs are from John East and are really cool - slightly smaller than regular domed knobs, they have bevelled tops and dots for markers.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/poptart05/PIC_0254.jpg

Mo,
I just prefer black hardware. I actually use to think that the gold hardware looked nice but I've really grown to just prefer something that doesn't show smudge marks. Plus the bridges now are primarily black with just the gold saddles. I'm also not to hip on that two-tone look.
Something that I did to break up the somewhat "dull" (as you describe it) look is have some custom knobs made. Some nice wooden knobs with maybe the tops in bubinga and the shafts in your FB wood would break things up nicely without looking too flashy. They really add a lot of class to the instrument.

Give us a report on how the Nords sound!

+1 on the THG knobs. I just got mine yesterday, and will post some pics today on the forum.

Mo, consider this. The custom wooden knobs, with custom wooden tuners as well. The pics of them on Rogers site are amazing, and they would look KILLER on your bass.

You can also get custom, exposed pole, pick up covers to match or contrast with your bass top.

Roger told me these will run about $ 250.00. I am seriously thinking about doing this to mine, after putting these new knobs on.

This way you could leave the black bridge on, which I personally prefer, and have a supremely custom looking bass.

Check it out. And, if you still don't find what you want, remember the Joel B. Orphanage for lonely Roscoe Basses, located in Discovery Bay California, in the prestigeous Bay area, home of much funky music, and all O' Dat. :D

Mo, get some bubinga knobs put on that bad boy....then get an ebony ramp between the pickups and you're good to go!:bassist:

+1 on the Gold/Black combo

Mo, get some bubinga knobs put on that bad boy....then get an ebony ramp between the pickups and you're good to go!:bassist:
Andy, I'm sorry (guys don't kill me!) but I can not stand the ramp thing :eek: I think it's ugly :hiding:

I have already a gold Hipshot bridge and I had a very good offer for the tuners, so I'm gonna try the gold hw! We'll see how it looks!
The good thing is, if I'm not liking it, it's reversible to black with no harm to the bass :smug:

Today I got my Nordie! they sound great! No more honky mids!!!
I'll need a few days for a fair review!
One thing I'd love is to find a way to have only one switch to spilt (series/parallel) both pups at the same time! even Better if a push/pull at the volume...

Investigation on the way....

Later...

M

BTW... Roscoe uses a hybrid Bartolini combo: a P4 "K" at the neck (sounds great) and a P4 "C" at the bridge (sounds honky). I guess with a K version at the bridge aswell, the sound would be awesome, IMO!

...

M

Thanks Joel,
I know about Roger's work... he lives not too far from me :smug:
I'm actually not too crazy of those fancy wooden knobs/pup cover...etc, few exceptions aside! :p
But, as always, my mind can change.... so, who knows :D

Cheers

M

+1 on the THG knobs. I just got mine yesterday, and will post some pics today on the forum.

Mo, consider this. The custom wooden knobs, with custom wooden tuners as well. The pics of them on Rogers site are amazing, and they would look KILLER on your bass.

You can also get custom, exposed pole, pick up covers to match or contrast with your bass top.

Roger told me these will run about $ 250.00. I am seriously thinking about doing this to mine, after putting these new knobs on.

This way you could leave the black bridge on, which I personally prefer, and have a supremely custom looking bass.

Check it out. And, if you still don't find what you want, remember the Joel B. Orphanage for lonely Roscoe Basses, located in Discovery Bay California, in the prestigeous Bay area, home of much funky music, and all O' Dat. :D

No sweat Mo, your bass, your preference and viva la difference. :D


The offer from the orphanage still stands. :p :D

Mo, I can assure you that whether you like the look of one or not, a ramp can be an extraordinary asset to anyone's playing.

Looking forward to hearing how you like the Nordies when you get them out on a gig. Did you keep the Bartolini preamp? Did you go with dualcoils?

No sweat Mo, your bass, your preference and viva la difference. :D


The offer from the orphanage still stands. :p :D

As the French like to say:

<< vive la difference, merde! >>

.... oopss, sorry!

M

Mo, I can assure you that whether you like the look of one or not, a ramp can be an extraordinary asset to anyone's playing.
I guess. I honestly never tried... :rolleyes:

Looking forward to hearing how you like the Nordies when you get them out on a gig. Did you keep the Bartolini preamp? Did you go with dualcoils?
.... yes DC, yes Bart. It actually sound very good, warm but snappy!
I'm lucky, I always have good opportunity to try my stuff in so many different situations.... school classes, small/big stages, gigs... just in one week!

Later on this mater!

M

...following this thread closely to hear the results :cool:

I guess. I honestly never tried... :rolleyes:


You're a great player Mo. There are things that could be possible with a ramp that you may not have thought of before without one. It just becomes more apparent when it's that much easier to play. There are certainly things that would be nearly impossible without one for sure.

You're a great player Mo. There are things that could be possible with a ramp that you may not have thought of before without one. It just becomes more apparent when it's that much easier to play. There are certainly things that would be nearly impossible without one for sure.

:rolleyes: I'm old school! :rollno:
...But i'm always open for something new... maybe one day I'll discover it was my missing link! :p

BTW, I've just ordered a switch 3PDT from mouser.com and a 0.068uF cap. (I wanna change the Bart pre upper mid Frq from 800hz to 1000hz)

.... I'm hopeless! :rollno:


M

....Today I got my Nordie! they sound great! No more honky mids!!!
I'll need a few days for a fair review!

Later...

M

What'd I tell ya?:smug:

What'd I tell ya?:smug:
:p



Actually, I'm sure if Roscoe would use a "K" instead of a "C" at the bridge it would be great!

M

:p



Actually, I'm sure if Roscoe would use a "K" instead of a "C" at the bridge it would be great!

M

Or if they'd just go for the Classic Bass Barts!

Just a quick update for the w-e!

Sorry it took so long, been busy :smug:

After having installed the Nordie and played them for one week.... they are great.... but.... yes there is a but!
With an ash/bubinga ebony combo they still too high/mid rangey :eek:
Nice fingerstyle sound but still too "quacky" for slap!
Wired in parallel makes them smoother but thinner because of the winding (refer to Carey's explaination about that, I'm too lazy :rolleyes: )
Now, while waiting for a parallel re-wound Nordie, I've re-installed the Barts wired in parallel.... damn, they're awesome! I may have found it! (yearight, the last famous words!)

As always... give me a week and I'll be back to you!

I realize that all this "jerking around" (can I say this?) is really influenced by "the sound" I have (wanna reach) in my head!
The Nordie ARE amazing and I think in a bass with a darker wood combo (Spanish Cedar/Mahogany...) they'll kill!

Later on this matter!

Have a nice w-e

M

Just a quick update for the w-e!

Sorry it took so long, been busy :smug:

After having installed the Nordie and played them for one week.... they are great.... but.... yes there is a but!
With an ash/bubinga ebony combo they still too high/mid rangey :eek:
Nice fingerstyle sound but still too "quacky" for slap!
Wired in parallel makes them smoother but thinner because of the winding (refer to Carey's explaination about that, I'm too lazy :rolleyes: )
Now, while waiting for a parallel re-wound Nordie, I've re-installed the Barts wired in parallel.... damn, they're awesome! I may have found it! (yearight, the last famous words!)

As always... give me a week and I'll be back to you!

I realize that all this "jerking around" (can I say this?) is really influenced by "the sound" I have (wanna reach) in my head!
The Nordie ARE amazing and I think in a bass with a darker wood combo (Spanish Cedar/Mahogany...) they'll kill!

Later on this matter!

Have a nice w-e

M


Mo, I think you're just hearing what the bass is doing naurally. ...It's the wood combo.

Mo,
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you still have the Bart pre installed?
I still believe that's the primary factor that you're hearing. Maybe more correctly stated as the Bart pre installed in a Roscoe bass. IMO a Bart pre in a Roscoe just just brings out more honky mids and harsh highs than the Bart pre installed in a Tobias, Elrick, MTD's and Pedulla's.
I think emjazz is correct in stating that your wood combo is a factor too but I think it also just has to do with the build of a Roscoe bass. Especially in the area of how Keith constructs the neck. The Bart pre just brings out fundamental tones in a Roscoe bass that either you really like or really don't.

I admire you going after that sound in your head. While you're checking things out though, I really think changing out to the Aguilar 0BP-3 or Demeter pre would get you close to that sound in your head.

Mo, you may also want to try letting your bass hang out with some other Roscoes for a while.

I hear that sometimes if they hang around each other they begin to pick up some sonic characteristics from each other.

Since I have a Demeter preamp, and Nordies in mine, I would be happy to let your bass spend a couple of weeks around my house. :)

I also have a bart/bart set up in my lg3005, and Geezer55 lives near me also, that makes four Roscoes that your bass could hang out with.

Just something to think about. :p :D

Mo, I think you're just hearing what the bass is doing naurally. ...It's the wood combo.

Actually, the acoustic sound isn't honky or nasal, it is rather balanced!

The fact is that I'm looking for (I have in my head) a specific sound... I guess you could call it modern, very cutting... If I needed a "vintage-ish" sound, I'd go with my Sadowsky...
I know it looks fanatic, but I've been struggling for years for that sound, so right now at this moment I'm willing to spend time and money to get there!
I'm a big fan of Carey's product, very clean open balanced sounding pups!
But for what I'm looking right now it comes from Bartolini! Like Carey says, a synthetic compressed sound!

The Bart in parallel sound great, very clean and crispy, but with the characteristic Bartolini voice in the lows/lowmids

Aguilar is a good pre, but not my "thing", and Demeter is too clean/bright!

More to come....

Take care and have a great week

M

Mo, you may also want to try letting your bass hang out with some other Roscoes for a while.

I hear that sometimes if they hang around each other they begin to pick up some sonic characteristics from each other.

Since I have a Demeter preamp, and Nordies in mine, I would be happy to let your bass spend a couple of weeks around my house. :)

I also have a bart/bart set up in my lg3005, and Geezer55 lives near me also, that makes four Roscoes that your bass could hang out with.

Just something to think about. :p :D

Joel, I'll keep in mind your offer... you never know!

M

Mo, I think you're just hearing what the bass is doing naurally. ...It's the wood combo.

+1


ash + bubinga = MIDS!

Mo,
I know that Demeters are no longer offered through Roscoe, but if you can find one, install that with the Barts pickups. I found that that preamp created a bit of a scoop in the mids naturally, but very smooth tonally with glassy highs.

That might be the sound in yo' head!

Interesting....

For what I've been hearing and listening, I'm not sure the Demeter is my pre. Most of the "scooped" pre have a cut on the mid/lowmid. I guess 300hz-800hz?. This means disappearing in the mix in a band. The problem with my Roscoe is around 1k-2k. Typical honky/nasal frequency.
Joe, from Zon guitars, has a theory about how the neck angle related to the body (not parallel like fender, but tilted back like MTD, Roscoe etc) affect the mid range sound (nasal) in a bass (read: American Basses by Jim Roberts pg.189 (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179/photo/294928803862798399/21)).
Strangely enough, my Roscoe has a very steep angle, not sure if it's a construction mistake, but the strings at the bridge are very high over the body (see pics (http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mauriliomina@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762326795179/photo/294928803485064690/13))... this may be the problem! But I actually like in this way. Low close to the neck for easy slap and high at the bridge for fingerstyle!

As always it comes to a lot of factors! With this bass I was looking for a tons of "burpy" lowmids and crispy/snappy highs...
At this moment I'm happy with the sound and feel... with the Barts in parallel....

Cheers.

M

Interesting....

For what I've been hearing and listening, I'm not sure the Demeter is my pre. Most of the "scooped" pre have a cut on the mid/lowmid. I guess 300hz-800hz?. This means disappearing in the mix in a band. The problem with my Roscoe is around 1k-2k. Typical honky/nasal frequency.

... this may be the problem! But I actually like in this way. Low close to the neck for easy slap and high at the bridge for fingerstyle!

As always it comes to a lot of factors! With this bass I was looking for a tons of "burpy" lowmids and crispy/snappy highs...
At this moment I'm happy with the sound and feel... with the Barts in parallel....

Cheers.

M

Mau, you're starting to tick me off here!:mad:

(Just kidding ;) )

The mids on a Demeter pre are around 1K, not low mids. They around the fretless mwah area, so they are now down around 300 hz.

So.....you ARE happy with it? You're NOT happy with it? Which is it??!! The action is too high but you like it? :hmm:

Man I'm confused!

Mo,
Man, this thread has grown considerably. Having made my comments and having read and digested the various replies, I still believe that the Demeter pre is the answer to your problem. I've yet to hear a pre that made such a drastic difference in the sound of my Roscoes (I may feel the same way after hearing the Nord's).

I've had the Demeter pre in 4 different Roscoe's (with different tops and fingerboards w/Spanish Cedar bodies) and they all sounded great. The sound of the Demeter was clearly heard in all three basses.
Compared to the Bart pre it was like someone removed a blanket that was covering my speaker cabinet. It opened up the sound.

I suspect that from the sound that you're describing (mid heavy tone), the standard Demeter pre might do the trick and tame your mids. Emjazz had the stadard Demeter installed in a mahogany Roscoe and really liked it.

Maconbass installed the Roscoe tuned Demeter in a mahogany bodied Roscoe that he described as a bit unfocused and loved the sound.

Reguardless, this will be the last time I mention the Demeter as the answer to your problems. I just want to hear you screaming from the rooftops "THIS ROSCOE ROCKS"!!!:bassist:

Emjazz had the stadard Demeter installed in a mahogany Roscoe and really liked it.


I had the standard in a one piece myrtlewood bodied Roscoe. Mo's heard those clips already. The mahogany bodied Roscoe had a custom one off Demeter that was the Tyler spec'd pre with the Roscoe spec'd mids.................don't bother asking...they won't do it again. It was overkill anyhow. I personally LOVED the standad Demeter preamp in my first Roscoe. That was a magical sound. I only got rid of the bass because it was too heavy with the all myrtlewood body and they low end wasn't big enough (myrtlewood again). I liked the mahogany bodied Roscoe but it wasn't fabulous. With Nordie's I'd bet a mahogany body would be great........anyway, I digress............yes, the Demeter pre is outstanding in a Roscoe. Still my favorite by a land slide. I will own a bass with Bartolini pickups and a Demeter pre again. That will always be one of my favorite combos.

:smug:
Sorry, I didn't want to (quoting BG) tick you off guys :eek:

I'll try to answer to everyone in one post!

The action is super low. I was talking about how the neck is set in respect to the body. If you tilt back the neck, so it's not parallel to the body, you'll have the strings closer to the body at the neck joint and farther away at the bridge (take a look at the pics, it'll make sense)

I know some of you are wondering why I don't wanna change the pre... I like the Bartolini NTMB and it's interesting that all the guys and the basses that has "that" sound use this pre! :)

The Demeter is good, for what I can tell, to brightening up or opening up a darker/muted/dull bass and taming a very mid heavy sounding bass. the acoustic sound of my Roscoe is not at all mid heavy, it's actually very balanced (there you go, what is balanced for me may not be the same for someone else!). Wiring the pups directly to the jack, bypassing the pre, showed me that the honky sound comes from the pups (series wiring). Actually from the "C" coil of the bridge's pup.

...now the Barts wired in parallel still have a low and fat sound, but with crispy high end and less high mids! The way I like it!

I guess I've found it.... :rolleyes: ....:p

Cheers

Mo, have you thought about changing out that back pickup so that it matches the neck pickup?

.............I still say Bart CB's.

Hey Mo!

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I don't know what kind of strings you are using, but here's what happened to me.

I have a Bart/ Demeter fretless with Swamp Ash body/ Quilted Maple top and have always loved the sound. About 6 weeks ago I finally put on the DR Black Beauty strings so many of you guys love. I loved the way they looked with the black diamondwood finger board , but that was about it. I found that they were very midrange honkey. Honk, honk, honk. I knew immediately I didn't like them. But being the cheep son of a female dog that I am, I left them on as long as I could stand them. I didn't like them and two guitarists didn't like them either.

Before my gig last night I changed them back over to the D' Addario XLs, and I had my wonderful Roscoe back.

Hope this helps.

:smug:
Sorry, I didn't want to (quoting BG) tick you off guys :eek:



Basso's just messing with you!:)



:
...now the Barts wired in parallel still have a low and fat sound, but with crispy high end and less high mids! The way I like it!

I guess I've found it.... ....
Cheers


Cool! Your previous thread didn't sound like you were 100% convinced that you had found it...:hmm:
.....come to think of it "I guess I've found it" doesn't sound to convincing either!:)

Guys... it's everything fine... :D

Right now I really like the way the bass sounds!..... but I'm like a PMSing girl :eek: (is this "politically" correct to say?), very moody!!!

And since I've to play/perform with so many different amps and stages, I may realize I need to make some changes.....

About strings, I think I've already posted something, but here we go... I've tried to like nickle strings, but I feel like they make my sound too mushy :confused: .I'm a stainless steel guy. DeanMarkley SR2000, very growly lows/mid lows and not overly bright...

M

Hey Mo!

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I don't know what kind of strings you are using, but here's what happened to me.

I have a Bart/ Demeter fretless with Swamp Ash body/ Quilted Maple top and have always loved the sound. About 6 weeks ago I finally put on the DR Black Beauty strings so many of you guys love. I loved the way they looked with the black diamondwood finger board , but that was about it. I found that they were very midrange honkey. Honk, honk, honk. I knew immediately I didn't like them. But being the cheep son of a female dog that I am, I left them on as long as I could stand them. I didn't like them and two guitarists didn't like them either.

Before my gig last night I changed them back over to the D' Addario XLs, and I had my wonderful Roscoe back.

Hope this helps.


This is a great point. Strings can certainly always make a huge difference. I like D'Addario's just fine but the Fodera strings have always been my absolute favorite.

Guys... it's everything fine... :D

Right now I really like the way the bass sounds!..... but I'm like a PMSing girl :eek: (is this "politically" correct to say?), very moody!!!

And since I've to play/perform with so many different amps and stages, I may realize I need to make some changes.....

About strings, I think I've already posted something, but here we go... I've tried to like nickle strings, but I feel like they make my sound too mushy :confused: .I'm a stainless steel guy. DeanMarkley SR2000, very growly lows/mid lows and not overly bright...

M


Mo, really...try the Fodera Stainless Steel strings (say that 10 times fast....)..

This is a great point. Strings can certainly always make a huge difference. I like D'Addario's just fine but the Fodera strings have always been my absolute favorite.

While they're not a Roscoe, I still have the DR Black Beauties on mine, and got them because I got tired of custom building D'Addario sets for my six (buy a standard 4 set for the inside four strings, and then buy a first and last separate). What gauge Foderas are you using from top to bottom, and what is the set name (light, medium light, etc.) they're all available in?

Thanks!

Z

While they're not a Roscoe, I still have the DR Black Beauties on mine, and got them because I got tired of custom building D'Addario sets for my six (buy a standard 4 set for the inside four strings, and then buy a first and last separate). What gauge Foderas are you using from top to bottom, and what is the set name (light, medium light, etc.) they're all available in?

Thanks!

Z

Go here: http://www.juststrings.com/foderaelectricbassguitar.html

I like the Nickel light/medium set (28-125) myself.

Go here: http://www.juststrings.com/foderaelectricbassguitar.html

I like the Nickel light/medium set (28-125) myself.

Great strings. I'm favoring the DRs (nickel lo-rider) for the feel these days, but Fodera strings have a great sound.

Mo,
I noticed from the pics that your bass seems to have a satin finish. Is that the case? If so, can that affect the sound, especially the high end? Maybe not enough to make a difference, but I've heard that before. I have a Ric 4004Cii with a tung oil finish, and it certainly has no sparkle, and a lot of honky, woody mids, but I'm sure that's a result of the woods and pickups. Go ahead and flame me if I'm out of line, guys. :D

Great strings. I'm favoring the DRs (nickel lo-rider) for the feel these days, but Fodera strings have a great sound.


Yup, everytime I cough up the dough and put Fodera strings on my bass I feel like the sound is dead on for what I want.

Mo,
I noticed from the pics that your bass seems to have a satin finish. Is that the case? If so, can that affect the sound, especially the high end? Maybe not enough to make a difference, but I've heard that before. I have a Ric 4004Cii with a tung oil finish, and it certainly has no sparkle, and a lot of honky, woody mids, but I'm sure that's a result of the woods and pickups. Go ahead and flame me if I'm out of line, guys. :D
Hey, no need to flame anyone!
You actually brought up a good point:

this is an extract of an article/interview with Michael Tobias (you can read it on his website mtdbass (http://www.mtdbass.com) ).

<< .... Finish--the bane of the guitar maker's existence-also plays an important part in determining the tone of an instrument. I believe there must be a compromise when choosing a finish: you have to balance the need for protecting the instrument with the sound-dampening effect of the finish. A finish that's too thick kills the resonance of an instrument; one that's too thin does not offer enough protection. Modern materials technology now offers finishes that provide good protection from rock & roll sweat, even when the finish is applied in very thin coats. As long as the buildup is not too thick, the resulting tone can be outstanding. There are also new blends of tung oil and urethane that offer the traditional look and feel of a a hand-rubbed finish with much greater resistance to moisture and skin oils. The don't, however, offer much protection from scratching and denting. These new oil finishes require greater care than lacquer or urethane sprays-but I'm really fond of the way they sound. There are cases when a piece of wood sounds significantly better with a certain type of finish. I remember building a bass that had a body made of very light swamp ash that received an oil finish. The instrument's tone was okay but a bit mushy and lacking crispness. For some reason, which I can't recall, we had to refinish the bass; the oil was cleaned off and the bass was shot with polyester. When we plugged it in, lo and behold--it had gained brightness and clarity.... >>


Good point, but like I've said before, the acoustic sound of my bass is rather balanced!

M

Basso's just messing with you!:)


Yeah, I'm just messing with you! We ALL think way too hard about this stuff!

We ALL think way too hard about this stuff!

It's so true... :D

Hey! I've heard that the ears can affect the sound of your bass!:D

Hey! I've heard that the ears can affect the sound of your bass!:D

LOL!!!:p :p

We ALL think way too hard about this stuff!

Yeah. I agree too. But the people in the audience see us and think we are playing guitar.:rollno:

Hi,
ok, I've been away for long time.... I know!

Hope y'all doing great!?

Update.... of course....

So... I wired the Barts back to series, but I have changed to a Hipshot BRASS "B" bridge.
The bridge improved the low ends (I don't understand the original Aluminum choice!) and took away the honk.... than I put a set of D'Addario PROSTEELS with a 125 B.... (45-65-80-100-125). The Prosteels improved the overall response...the 125 B is awesome!!!
I can say I'm happy with my Roscoe, now!

Cheers

M

Hi,
ok, I've been away for long time.... I know!

Hope y'all doing great!?

Update.... of course....

So... I wired the Barts back to series, but I have changed to a Hipshot BRASS "B" bridge.
The bridge improved the low ends (I don't understand the original Aluminum choice!) and took away the honk.... than I put a set of D'Addario PROSTEELS with a 125 B.... (45-65-80-100-125). The Prosteels improved the overall response...the 125 B is awesome!!!
I can say I'm happy with my Roscoe, now!

Cheers

M


Wow Mo! I can't say I ever would've thought to change the bridge. Good call. Yup, I much prefer brass bridges.

Hi Mo,

Good to see you again. I'm really glad you finally got that fancy chunk of wood sounding like you want it to. :D

I was wondering, since you are in L.A., if you thought about trying Jeff Bridges before you tried brass bridges?

I hear he is a pretty popular choice down there.

I know, I know, don't give up my day job. Good to see ya again. Peace ;)

Cool Mo - glad it's happening for ya:)

Hi,
ok, I've been away for long time.... I know!

Hope y'all doing great!?

Update.... of course....

So... I wired the Barts back to series, but I have changed to a Hipshot BRASS "B" bridge.
The bridge improved the low ends (I don't understand the original Aluminum choice!) and took away the honk.... than I put a set of D'Addario PROSTEELS with a 125 B.... (45-65-80-100-125). The Prosteels improved the overall response...the 125 B is awesome!!!
I can say I'm happy with my Roscoe, now!

Cheers

M

Cool! Some new strings and a bridge swap is all it took :)

I thought the next step would be to drill some 1/2" holes in the body to let it resonate and "air out".



Well Gard.....ANOTHER satisfied customer. I guess now you can just put your feet up on your computer monitor, pop open an RC Cola, and scratch your belly. Your job is done.

:rollno: funny guys .............. :D

Still, at least this bass, is not up to the great quality that everybody talks about Roscoe's! The great thing is the neck, very low action, great fret job, but the finish and the construction is not one of the best I've seen... sorry!

Still, I'm happy with how it performs, so I'm not too concerne!

So long...

M

:rollno: funny guys .............. :D

Still, at least this bass, is not up to the great quality that everybody talks about Roscoe's! The great thing is the neck, very low action, great fret job, but the finish and the construction is not one of the best I've seen... sorry!

Still, I'm happy with how it performs, so I'm not too concerne!

So long...

M

Hey Mo! Welcome back!:)

I've gone from Hip Shot Type B to A on basses other than Roscoe and didn't really hear any difference in sound (certainly differences in set-up though). Interesting.....:hmm:

I know that you went with the satin finish on your bass. If you don't mind me asking, what about the finish and contruction are not up to par? If the neck and fret job are great, I'd be curious as to what other contruction issues exist. (Neck pocket? Routing for access covers or p/u's?
It sure looks nice in the pic's.;)

Hey Mo! Welcome back!:)

I've gone from Hip Shot Type B to A on basses other than Roscoe and didn't really hear any difference in sound (certainly differences in set-up though). Interesting.....:hmm:



Joe, he was talking about switching from the aluminum bridge to a brass bridge. That should certainly make a difference on any bass.

Joe, he was talking about switching from the aluminum bridge to a brass bridge. That should certainly make a difference on any bass.

Yeah, the material is going to have a much more drastic effect on the sound than style (mass) for sure. I think "B" vs. "A" is a more subjective/personal issue, whereas brass vs. aluminum is one we can describe easily.

Ok, check this out (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3607679&postcount=14)!
I can say I agree that the material is more important than the "design", but I can, definately, tell the difference!

Jome77, the neck pocket is not the tightest, the finish on the back has imperfections like small grain of dust, on the headstock there were a paint defect and big scratches and a the B tuner was worn out. Honestly, I have to say that Gard offered to fix the problems on the headstock... and it is done! ...but still I have a Sadowsky (actually a Metro!) and it is the best built bass I have ever saw! (with Ken Smith and Pedulla) IME, IMO!!!

Stll, I really like how my Roscoe, right now, sounds/plays!

M

edit: I forgot Nordstrand included with the best built basses!

Mo - I'm having the same "honkiness" issue with my Roscoe and am thinking of installing a brass bridge like you did to see it it helps. Did you use a regular Hipshot .708 bridge or did you get a Roscoe-spec bridge?

Hi,
I have a optional .750 (19mm) spacing on my bass... I've bought a regular Hipshot.

M

Mo - I'm having the same "honkiness" issue with my Roscoe and am thinking of installing a brass bridge like you did to see it it helps. Did you use a regular Hipshot .708 bridge or did you get a Roscoe-spec bridge?

The HipShot Type B that All Parts stocks has 11/16" string to string spacing at the bridge. It would work but I believe that the mounting screw foot print is different on the Type A & B bridges. You'll also have to position the Type B slightly different on the body to assure adequate ability to adjust your intonation. This might leave visible marks where the previous Type A bridge was mounted.

The HipShot Type B that All Parts stocks has 11/16" string to string spacing at the bridge. It would work but I believe that the mounting screw foot print is different on the Type A & B bridges. You'll also have to position the Type B slightly different on the body to assure adequate ability to adjust your intonation. This might leave visible marks where the previous Type A bridge was mounted.

+1

You're right... But if he gets a regular "A" bridge he'll be fine.

M

Hi mo - I just checked out the pics of your bass on the Yahoo acct. linked earlier in the thread, and I see you've switched to gold hardware with the new bridge.

I know there's some distaste for gold hardware at the Roscoe camp, but I think it looks great on your bass. It really goes well with the bubinga! :)

Hi mo - I just checked out the pics of your bass on the Yahoo acct. linked earlier in the thread, and I see you've switched to gold hardware with the new bridge.

I know there's some distaste for gold hardware at the Roscoe camp, but I think it looks great on your bass. It really goes well with the bubinga! :)

Hello there,
yes, against Gard's suggestion! I like it very much, but, yes there's a but, now I have Chrome hardware :rolleyes:
I got a very good deal for the tuners and bridge and I sold the gold one..... I know, I'm crazy! :D

Cheers

M

Hello there,
yes, against Gard's suggestion! I like it very much, but, yes there's a but, now I have Chrome hardware :rolleyes:
I got a very good deal for the tuners and bridge and I sold the gold one..... I know, I'm crazy! :D

Cheers

M

Mo, hope that you're well man. How's the Roscoe treating you now with the new bridge? The pickups, are they still wired in series?

I still feel that with some Bart CB pickups in that bass (wired in series) that you'd be a very, very happy man.

Any new sound clips with the new bass?

Mo, hope that you're well man. How's the Roscoe treating you now with the new bridge? The pickups, are they still wired in series?

I still feel that with some Bart CB pickups in that bass (wired in series) that you'd be a very, very happy man.

Any new sound clips with the new bass?

Andy - what in are the diffences between the Bart CBs and the stock Roscoe pups?

Thanks

Andy - what in are the diffences between the Bart CBs and the stock Roscoe pups?

Thanks

The stock Roscoe pickups are darker, muted on the top end with some honk in the mids. That's why I liked the Roscoe basses so much with the Demeter preamp. That preamp smoothed those pickups out. The CB's are much more even across the board with open, airy highs, a smooth midrange and a clear full bottom. It's like taking a traditional bartolini and mating it with an Aero pickup. It's deep, smooth and clear. To me, it really allows the natural characteristics of each instrument to come out.

Mo, hope that you're well man. How's the Roscoe treating you now with the new bridge? The pickups, are they still wired in series?

I still feel that with some Bart CB pickups in that bass (wired in series) that you'd be a very, very happy man.

Any new sound clips with the new bass?

Hello Andy, thanks, it's been kinda crazy the start of the year... lots of troubles and stress... and work!..... but I'm fine!
Hope the same to you!
My Roscoe's treating me well, the pups are in series, I have just learn to dial in different sounds with the pre!
The action/neck is super great, it is so low it's almost stupid! It made me change my right technique, way lighter now!
I also found cheap strings that sound perfect, for me of course! D'Addario Prosteels 45-100 with a 125 B.
Unfortunately no sound clips, but I'm recording right now, so as soon as it's finished... and it sound decent (I don't know right now how it will be... the production is ok!) I may post some!

How are things with you? Hope great..

Cheers

M

Hello Andy, thanks, it's been kinda crazy the start of the year... lots of troubles and stress... and work!..... but I'm fine!
Hope the same to you!
My Roscoe's treating me well, the pups are in series, I have just learn to dial in different sounds with the pre!
The action/neck is super great, it is so low it's almost stupid! It made me change my right technique, way lighter now!
I also found cheap strings that sound perfect, for me of course! D'Addario Prosteels 45-100 with a 125 B.
Unfortunately no sound clips, but I'm recording right now, so as soon as it's finished... and it sound decent (I don't know right now how it will be... the production is ok!) I may post some!

How are things with you? Hope great..

Cheers

M

Mo

I have just put on some of the pro steels 45/65/85/105/125 and they sound great to me - they have alot of cut (which works well with the stock Barts which are dark) and work well for slap and give a tight fingerstyle sound that I really like.

Thanks for the tip:)

PS - What are your latest mods on your Roscoe?:D

:D funny..... guy!

Hey there, wassup?

Glad you like the PS..... no mods on the bass..... I'm so swamped I don't even have time to think about such things! :smug:

..... some times I wish it had sweeter high end for slap, tho....

Cheers

M

:D funny..... guy!

Hey there, wassup?

Glad you like the PS..... no mods on the bass..... I'm so swamped I don't even have time to think about such things! :smug:

..... some times I wish it had sweeter high end for slap, tho....

Cheers

M

Mo

Glad you are busy - did you not have some Nordy DC in the bass for a while? What pre are you using? I am finding that the Audere gives a "sweeter" high end for slap than the Bart pre FWIW.

Later

Sorry, I missed this one :D

Yeah, I had the Nords for awhile, but I came back to the Barts. The Nords sound great (I AM a big fan of Carey's stuff !!!) but for what I'm looking in this bass the Barts come closer!
I'm still using the Bart pre and I'm not thinking of changing it right now. I'd like to hear a Roscoe with an Audere pre, tho!

What about you?.....

Cheers

M

Hello,
a little update :hiding:

I tried the Audere, but it didn't do what I was looking for...

So I called Demeter and as I'm writing, the pre is in its way to me!
I know, you guys told me many time about the Demeter.... :rolleyes: :D

The bass is great, but like Jerry Ziarko and others with Ash bodied Roscoes, I have problem dialing the high-mids...

We'll see how it goes....

Later

M

Hello,


The bass is great, but like Jerry Ziarko and others with Ash bodied Roscoes, I have problem dialing the high-mids...


M

Mo

I have the answer - Nordy Big Splits, very smooth sound, less low mid than the Roscoe/Barts but more Hi Mids, Highs without being harsh or grating. I am getting all my nice finger style tones but with more "air" and cut.

That is with the Aggie pre run vitually flat - maybe a little top added.

I hope that helps;)

Mark

Hey there Mark, thank you.
How you doing?

Actually, I'm trying to tame the high-mids. Carey's pups are great for clean traditional/vintage sounds with a bump in the highmids, but with good bite ... My Sadowsky give me this.
What I'd like in my Roscoe is to get a modern clean crispy sound with a big growl/burp from the lows. Kinda MusicMan sound but fatter...(just to give an idea). Right now my Century has good lows, but it's weird on the mids...
It could be that the wood combo is not the right one for me....

Later

M

It could be that the wood combo is not the right one for me....

Later

M

Bingo...I believed this to be true when you told me about the wood choices and what you were looking for in a tone....seems to me you shouldn't have to go through so many pickups to get what you want my friend....

However, you may want to contact Kent Armstrong and tell him what you're looking for. He can make anything I'm sure of it. I'm having him make me pickups for my Ristola 6.

Good luck Mo.

Mo

Ah yes - sorry I forgot where you were going with this, Kent Armstrong may be worth a try - I had some on a recent custom that had a nice crisp sound with clean low/low mid.

What strings have been through recently - I am using some SITs which for Stainless strings are fairly tame, certainly not quite as cutting as the Pro Steels that I was using before.

Just too many options..........:help:

;)

Andy, thanks!
I just got back from another gig and I played all night with the mid (1khz on the bass) cut all the way down. (maybe a couple of time I turned the ctrl half way up)... The lows were great. There was a fellow TBer at the gig and he said the sound was great. Nice bottom to support and enough mids to cut through... I guess the Demeter should be even cleaner and probably will match the scoop mids.... I really hope it will do. This bass is a joy to play and VERY stable. The neck is one of the best I have ever played...

Mark,
I'm still using Prosteels and I like them very much... how would you describe SIT vs. PS?

I don't know about the KA pups.... how much are we talking for a custom set?

In a couple of day I should have here the Demeter (Thu or Fri I hope) and if I have time to swap pres, Saturday I have a gig at the same place of today, that would be a fair comparison...

Later on this subject

Best to every one

M

Andy, thanks!
I just got back from another gig and I played all night with the mid (1khz on the bass) cut all the way down. (maybe a couple of time I turned the ctrl half way up)... The lows were great. There was a fellow TBer at the gig and he said the sound was great. Nice bottom to support and enough mids to cut through... I guess the Demeter should be even cleaner and probably will match the scoop mids.... I really hope it will do. This bass is a joy to play and VERY stable. The neck is one of the best I have ever played...

Mark,
I'm still using Prosteels and I like them very much... how would you describe SIT vs. PS?

I don't know about the KA pups.... how much are we talking for a custom set?

In a couple of day I should have here the Demeter (Thu or Fri I hope) and if I have time to swap pres, Saturday I have a gig at the same place of today, that would be a fair comparison...

Later on this subject

Best to every one

M


Mo...I really feel that you'll like the Demeter a lot. I love that preamp in the Roscoe's. It will make the bass clean without loosing some edge...it will be smooth but still have the punch. It's still my favorite match to Bartolini pickups...by far.

Kent Armstrong's prices are very, very reasonable. You'd be shocked. I should have a quote of my own soon enough.

Another thing I think you will find, is that you have more string options with the Demeter. At least I did, where I had to use mid shy strings before. My two favorites for my ash LG are SS Lowriders for edge, and Black Beauties for smoothness. I've never been crazy about the way the Lowriders feel, but on my LG as well as a Modulus Q5 I had, it was a match made in heaven. I still wish that my favorite (TA Super Alloys) sounded good on this particular bass, but unfortunately they sound average at best.

Andy, I hope so... let me know, please, when you have a quote.

Jerry, my favorite strings are DM SR2000, but on this bass they have too much lowmids and honk, but like you say it might be a good match with the Demeter... Still, the PS are way cheaper!

BTW, Demeter is not the fastest company, that's for sure... a month waiting (he told me a week, at the beginning).
still waiting for delivery (been shipped Monday... it's Friday...)

M

Mo

I am undecided on the SITs - I do really like the Pro Steel though, nice punch and clarity and last well too, and good value!

I agree, nice strings....

M

Update!

Got the Demeter. Installed and realized that James wired the stacked pot reverse (switched up low/high) no big deal... fixed! The leads (wires) are very long, there's a nice mess inside the cavity! Also, the pre came without any protection (no case or shrink tube). Thanks to Brian at "TheLowEnd", I got some heat shrink tube to wrap the pre (not easy to find heat shrink tube of that size!)

I couldn't try the bass with my rig, but through a small mixer and my headphones it sound pretty good. Very clean... I'll see how it perform in real life in the next days...

About the MEC stacked 100k pot, it seems it has a nice accurate/linear control over the lows and highs. It's not too abrupt (sp?).
But I have never tried a Demeter pre with the "regular" 50k pot, so....

For what I can tell, I think I should have ordered this bass with a different wood configuration (for the body)...

Still, I get a lot of compliment for my sound, so it is not that bad :D

Later

Mo'

Mo

Cool - you just may be right about the wood combo as that will always give you a "signature tone" however you are now the official Roscoe "testhead" :)

Regrads

M

First impressions are good.

It has LOTs of sizzle, I've been playing with the treble ctrl half way down and some time even completely out (using the bridge pup).
With the uppermid (~850hz) ctrl also halfway cut, it has a super modern deep, but tight low end....

Interesting!

more to come...

Mo'

Update!

Got the Demeter. Installed and realized that James wired the stacked pot reverse (switched up low/high) no big deal... fixed! The leads (wires) are very long, there's a nice mess inside the cavity! Also, the pre came without any protection (no case or shrink tube). Thanks to Brian at "TheLowEnd", I got some heat shrink tube to wrap the pre (not easy to find heat shrink tube of that size!)

I couldn't try the bass with my rig, but through a small mixer and my headphones it sound pretty good. Very clean... I'll see how it perform in real life in the next days...

About the MEC stacked 100k pot, it seems it has a nice accurate/linear control over the lows and highs. It's not too abrupt (sp?).
But I have never tried a Demeter pre with the "regular" 50k pot, so....

For what I can tell, I think I should have ordered this bass with a different wood configuration (for the body)...

Still, I get a lot of compliment for my sound, so it is not that bad :D

Later

Mo'

Once I thought I had ordered the wrong wood combination. Changed string manufacturer and it couldn't be better. All of these beautiful tones appeared that weren't there with the stock D'Addarios. I love the D'As on a different Roscoe!

Once I thought I had ordered the wrong wood combination. Changed string manufacturer and it couldn't be better. All of these beautiful tones appeared that weren't there with the stock D'Addarios. I love the D'As on a different Roscoe!

So what strings did you end up changing to? =)

Hey Mau, glad to hear you finally got your Demeter. Yeah, mine didn't come with any shrink tubing around the preamp board either, I had to go to Harbor Freight and buy some. My week wait was a month as well and when it got to me, all the nuts and washers were missing. I called Demeter and two days later I had them in hand.

Comparing my Roscoe Demeter to my New Demeter, the newer Demeter does have a little more high end sizzle, but the lowend is so tight. I was able to compare mine to a MTD 5 and my SKB3005 sounds real close to an MTD now. I run the new Demeter, Treble 0 detent, Mid 0 detent, Mid Switch set to bass side and Bass at about 1 oclock. I was really surprised of how bright it got going from finger to slap style without changing the settings. The Demeter preamp is still my favorite compared to the Bart and Audere.

Quick update:

installed the Demeter and there was too much sizzle even with the treble ctrl all the way down! I talked to James (Demeter) and he gave me some ideas.... but then I realized I had changed the bridge on my bass trying to improve the Bart sound!
For the first time in many years of "screwing around" with gear, I can tell you for sure the bridge does have an influence over the sound, still, not big, but audible.
I reinstalled the original bridge and the sizzle went down.... now the highs are great! Clean and crispy!

Overall the Demeter IS a great pre (better than Bart on fretted Roscoe's IMO)

BTW, if you guys have a Demeter pre in your bass, you can change the shelving starting point on the bass ctrl. Lower value on the cap higher freq point and vice versa... just a thought.

I gave also a thought on Andy's advise and ordered a set of Fodera string...still waiting. Every dealers I've contacted, and even at Fodera, are out of stock waiting for delivery!!!
BTW Andy, any news on Kent Armstrong's pups?.... I was listening to Ric Fierabracci playing an Xotic bass (ash/ebony with similar Roscoe pups placement) with KA and he sounded great! (I know it is in his hands :rolleyes: )

Later...

M

Quick update:

installed the Demeter and there was too much sizzle even with the treble ctrl all the way down! I talked to James (Demeter) and he gave me some ideas.... but then I realized I had changed the bridge on my bass trying to improve the Bart sound!
For the first time in many years of "screwing around" with gear, I can tell you for sure the bridge does have an influence over the sound, still, not big, but audible.
I reinstalled the original bridge and the sizzle went down.... now the highs are great! Clean and crispy!

Overall the Demeter IS a great pre (better than Bart on fretted Roscoe's IMO)

BTW, if you guys have a Demeter pre in your bass, you can change the shelving starting point on the bass ctrl. Lower value on the cap higher freq point and vice versa... just a thought.

I gave also a thought on Andy's advise and ordered a set of Fodera string...still waiting. Every dealers I've contacted, and even at Fodera, are out of stock waiting for delivery!!!
BTW Andy, any news on Kent Armstrong's pups?.... I was listening to Ric Fierabracci playing an Xotic bass (ash/ebony with similar Roscoe pups placement) with KA and he sounded great! (I know it is in his hands :rolleyes: )

Later...

M


Mo, what bridge did you have on there before you put the original back on? Was it brass or ????

Kent and I have been having some trouble through email (him not getting mine a couple of times) so I'm going to call him this week. I've been super busy and just got back from NYC so...hopefully I'll talk to him on Monday. I'll let you know what I find out though. I can't wait to get some pickups from him.

Mo, what bridge did you have on there before you put the original back on? Was it brass or ????

Kent and I have been having some trouble through email (him not getting mine a couple of times) so I'm going to call him this week. I've been super busy and just got back from NYC so...hopefully I'll talk to him on Monday. I'll let you know what I find out though. I can't wait to get some pickups from him.

Andy, I had a Hipshot "B" model Aluminum!!! The original is a "A" model Aluminum... !!! and... !!!
Both Mike Tobias and George Furlanetto told me that the B tend to be brighter and the A a little bit thicker sounding... I guess they were right!

Let me know how it goes with Kent...

M

BTW: today I tried a Modulus Q5.... damn it sounds good! (I've been a big fun of Scott Ambush's basses for a long time... they are Ash bodied, Moses composite neck and Bart electronics... very close to Modulus)... I'm really thinking of getting one of Scott's.

Andy, I had a Hipshot "B" model Aluminum!!! The original is a "A" model Aluminum... !!! and... !!!
Both Mike Tobias and George Furlanetto told me that the B tend to be brighter and the A a little bit thicker sounding... I guess they were right!

Let me know how it goes with Kent...

M

BTW: today I tried a Modulus Q5.... damn it sounds good! (I've been a big fun of Scott Ambush's basses for a long time... they are Ash bodied, Moses composite neck and Bart electronics... very close to Modulus)... I'm really thinking of getting one of Scott's.


Mo, check with Gard.....are the sattles on the standard bridges also aluminum or are they brass on an aluminum base?

......Modulus/Ambush......sounds to me like you're just looking for a differet sound than you can get from your Roscoe. The thing with the Modulus/Ambush basses is that they use the Barts that have that low mid bump that you like, but the graphite neck brightens and clears the tone up where the Barts are lacking. The Ambush will do this even more than the Modulus because you've got the ash body of the Ambush compared to the alder body of the Modulus.

I was hesitant to move on from the Roscoe's because I like how they feel, especially the necks. I personally would love another Roscoe if the pickups were in a more traditional position and possibly with Bartolini CB pickups, similar to what someone did recently with a couple of five strings. That to me would yield a tone more suitable to what I do. It would also yield a tone that's more usable for more styles of music. It's like playing a Ken Smith, great sound but you can't get away with using that sound for everything. It would be great if Roscoe offered this as an upgrade, or just possibly a different model. They certainly wouldn't have to as they have their niche but I feel it would be a great way to broaden their market.

Mo, check with Gard.....are the sattles on the standard bridges also aluminum or are they brass on an aluminum base?

......Modulus/Ambush......sounds to me like you're just looking for a differet sound than you can get from your Roscoe. The thing with the Modulus/Ambush basses is that they use the Barts that have that low mid bump that you like, but the graphite neck brightens and clears the tone up where the Barts are lacking. The Ambush will do this even more than the Modulus because you've got the ash body of the Ambush compared to the alder body of the Modulus.

I was hesitant to move on from the Roscoe's because I like how they feel, especially the necks. I personally would love another Roscoe if the pickups were in a more traditional position and possibly with Bartolini CB pickups, similar to what someone did recently with a couple of five strings. That to me would yield a tone more suitable to what I do. It would also yield a tone that's more usable for more styles of music. It's like playing a Ken Smith, great sound but you can't get away with using that sound for everything. It would be great if Roscoe offered this as an upgrade, or just possibly a different model. They certainly wouldn't have to as they have their niche but I feel it would be a great way to broaden their market.

Andy - I have just ordered two Roscoe with Bart CB pickups for the same reason. I like the think sound of the Roscoe Barts but feel that the CB may make the bass a bit more flexible and dare I say it - contemporary!

I will let you know my feeling when the basses arrive, I have one with the Aggie and CBs, Ash Body, Bubinga top which should produce a nice cutting tone.

The CB are a no cost option - all yopu need to do is request them on order.

Mo, check with Gard.....are the sattles on the standard bridges also aluminum or are they brass on an aluminum base?

......Modulus/Ambush......sounds to me like you're just looking for a differet sound than you can get from your Roscoe. The thing with the Modulus/Ambush basses is that they use the Barts that have that low mid bump that you like, but the graphite neck brightens and clears the tone up where the Barts are lacking. The Ambush will do this even more than the Modulus because you've got the ash body of the Ambush compared to the alder body of the Modulus.

I was hesitant to move on from the Roscoe's because I like how they feel, especially the necks. I personally would love another Roscoe if the pickups were in a more traditional position and possibly with Bartolini CB pickups, similar to what someone did recently with a couple of five strings. That to me would yield a tone more suitable to what I do. It would also yield a tone that's more usable for more styles of music. It's like playing a Ken Smith, great sound but you can't get away with using that sound for everything. It would be great if Roscoe offered this as an upgrade, or just possibly a different model. They certainly wouldn't have to as they have their niche but I feel it would be a great way to broaden their market.

Both the Hipshots have brass saddles, but different shape and design...
I know what you mean about the Modulus/Ambush.... It's not very easy to get a hold from Scott, but if I can finalize some details, I'll order a bass from him...... I have to do it, I've been drooling after his sound :rollno: for too long!

:D

Mark, what f/b you'll have on that Ash/Bubi?

I know I sound like I'm not satisfied with my Roscoe, but it's the contrary... it is a wonderful instrument, but like Andy said, I'm looking for a sound that's not "inside" the Roscoe style basses.... I think!
Right now with Demeter things are way better, tho!

'nice Sunday

M

Mo

The bass will have a Wenge fingerboard - I think it should be a killer combo!

The Modulus is a very different animal to the Roscoe IMO - the graphite element makes a difference ala Status, Zon etc. I had a great Zon Sonus with an Ash body and it had a killer tone - probably a bit too clean/sterile but man it really cut through the Mix!

It is a killer combo Ash/Bubi/We... Aggi or Bart? It's a personal bass or for the shop?

I think I would call clean and dry, instead of Sterile. If you guys have ever listened to Spyro Gyra, you know what I mean. Although Scott's using composite with diamondwood f/b.
Those basses have a deep dry growl in the low freq that is very addictive, for me at least. they have a particular mid range but still crispy and ringy on the high freq....

http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3
http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/walkin_home.mp3

With my Roscoe right now I'm close to that sound

M

Mo

It is going to have the Aggie pre and it is for the shop....although...:hmm:

I agree the Spyro Gyra stuff sound great,m maybe bit of tube compression or similar can fatten up the sound. Very clear and great tone and I hear now the sound you are hearing;)

M

:hiding: ok, after almost one year of tweaking, I'm done :rolleyes:

I found out a Modulus Q5 19mm (it's a brand new neck shape, finally) Ash body, Buckeye Burl top, phenolic fb, Bart pups and Aguilar OBP-3 pre...
I know it is not an Ambush, but Scott is too difficult to reach!

So, later in the next month or so, my Roscoe will be up for sale. I feel bad because I like very much how the Century plays!

I have to finalized the deal for the Q5 and figure out a price for my Roscoe. I'll be selling it with its original Bartolini pre, or if the buyer is interested on the Demeter and willing to pay for it, I'll leave it in.

We'll see....

Mo'

Interesting news Mo', that will be quite a different animal to the Roscoe I would have thought. Sounds like a cool combo though. I wonder how long before you will be swopping something out........:hiding: :D

Mark, very funny..... :scowl:


:D but you are right!

I still have some time to evaluate everything and see if Scott Ambush will show up....

M

Mo.....if you want a bass from Scott than you should be patient and get one. It'd be well worth it. Get exactly what you want and don't settle for something else. You won't be happy otherwise.

Mo.....if you want a bass from Scott than you should be patient and get one. It'd be well worth it. Get exactly what you want and don't settle for something else. You won't be happy otherwise.

Andy, you are right, but I've been waiting for so long, I started to get desperate :rollno:

But life can be a joke, some time..... I was about to finalize the Modulus purchase in these days and today....... Scott called me :hyper: I was giggling like a kid :rolleyes:

Anyway, I've got lucky, he has already a neck (takes very long to get necks from Moses!)... so by the end of the year, beginning Jan, I should get my Ambush bass.... :D

Later

M

ps: I should stop talking about other basses over the Roscoe forum.... sorry!

Andy, you are right, but I've been waiting for so long, I started to get desperate :rollno:

But life can be a joke, some time..... I was about to finalize the Modulus purchase in these days and today....... Scott called me :hyper: I was giggling like a kid :rolleyes:

Anyway, I've got lucky, he has already a neck (takes very long to get necks from Moses!)... so by the end of the year, beginning Jan, I should get my Ambush bass.... :D

Later

M

ps: I should stop talking about other basses over the Roscoe forum.... sorry!


Congrats Mo...great to hear! The only way is to get right what you want and not to compromise. I've certainly learned the hard way myself.

To stay on the Roscoe topic,
Andy (emjazz) suggested me to try the Fodera strings.... I ordered a set, light 40-120.... got it last week and gigged several times.... great strings!
Nice warm but defined sound and very balanced!
Compared to the Prosteels they have a sweeter and fuller sound well matched with the Demeter pre.... I was a little concerne about the 120 B, but it's actually better, more focus and unbelievable slap sound, so tight!

Now this Roscoe has some serious sound!

I've installed black/chrome hardware. I think it looks better than the plain black hw.
I'll be uploading some pics later when I get the stacked knobs from Banzai.com. The MEC 100k stacked pot has a 4/6mm shaft...

M

To stay on the Roscoe topic,
Andy (emjazz) suggested me to try the Fodera strings.... I ordered a set, light 40-120.... got it last week and gigged several times.... great strings!
Nice warm but defined sound and very balanced!
Compared to the Prosteels they have a sweeter and fuller sound well matched with the Demeter pre.... I was a little concerne about the 120 B, but it's actually better, more focus and unbelievable slap sound, so tight!

Now this Roscoe has some serious sound!

I've installed black/chrome hardware. I think it looks better than the plain black hw.
I'll be uploading some pics later when I get the stacked knobs from Banzai.com. The MEC 100k stacked pot has a 4/6mm shaft...

M

:help::hiding::ninja::eek::hyper::D Mo' I love you man, you bring a whole new meaning to GAS:p;):rollno:

:eek:


:o



:D
I know, I should be banned from this forum!

M

Great to hear you like those strings. They're my favorite for sure!

Hello there,
long time....

Since I've installed the Demeter pre, I've been super happy with my Roscoe!
I'm finally able to use my favourite strings, Dean Markley SR2000! :bassist:

That's it, just a quick update for the one of you that have been very helpful and patient and might be wondering what's up!

Have a nice w-e

M

Mo

That is great news, I am very happy for you. It was worth pursuing as you have a really nice bass there.

Now - just leave it alone and just enjoy playing it;)

Mark

Since I've installed the Demeter pre, I've been super happy with my Roscoe!

Amen to that!!

So what strings did you end up changing to? =)

Sorry I was very busy. I changed to DR Sunbeams with a 130 B.

Thanks guys!

I like Ebony. I owned Pedulla, Fodera, KenSmith and I've always knew it would have been the fb on my custom bass!

I'm looking for a tight low growl/burb with clean, crispy highs. I'm not really into slap, I'll do it if it's required by the song/track... so for me it's more about a very cutting finger sound.
This is a nice example of what I'm trying to achieve:clip1 (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/cape.mp3) clip2 (http://www.spyrogyra.com/audio/breakfastatigors.mp3)

About slap... I have my Metro MS5! Once the Roscoe'll be on duty, I'll reinstall the original Sadowsky pups, but in a '70 placement for "that" slap sound!

Enjoy :smug:

Mo'

I've been drooling over Roscoes lately and happened by this thread and I just had to tell you that your playing is fantastic! The "Breakfast At (is it Igor's?)" is class A top notch fingering. My playing ability does not merit a Roscoe but man they are so beautiful I want one anyway! Just had to say "love that clip 2".

Hi Rufus,
thank you very much, but that's not me playing on those clips :( .... I wish!
He is Scott Ambush (Spyro Gyra's bass player)... nonetheless, now my Roscoe with Demeter preamp gets very close to that sound.... I don't know how to post sound clips (I have some MP3 of my Roscoe) but I'm very happy with it...

Still, that instrument will be for sale once I get my new Ambush bass (if everything goes as planed, I should get it next week at the NAMM show!)... Rufus, if you are interested, you could have a smoking deal on my Roscoe!

Be well

Mo'

Mo

That is great news, I am very happy for you. It was worth pursuing as you have a really nice bass there.

Now - just leave it alone and just enjoy playing it;)

Mark

Hello Mark,
long time...

I just did a recording with this Roscoe..... the playing and the production, sucks (it's only a demo... no over-dubs, no time for "decent" solos!)... but it is a great piece of wood.... it's gonna be hard to get rid of this beauty, but family ($$) matters force me :rollno:

Are you gonna be at the NAMM?

Mo'

Mo'

Happy new year - NAMM has just come at a bad time for me as I am too busy, next year though for sure.

So you are movin' on that project Roscoe of yours, just when you got it the way you wanted it too! I have a feeling you will return to the Roscoe camp at some stage.

The pursuit of perfection........................;)

Mark

The pursuit of perfection........................;)

Mark

+1

Home Sweet Home!:)

or.......Roscoe Sweet Roscoe! :D

Mo'

Happy new year - NAMM has just come at a bad time for me as I am too busy, next year though for sure.

So you are movin' on that project Roscoe of yours, just when you got it the way you wanted it too! I have a feeling you will return to the Roscoe camp at some stage.

The pursuit of perfection........................;)

Mark

:eyebrow:

:D

About perfection.......

Jokes aside, I've been after Scott's basses for ten years, I can not pass this opportunity!
I think Roscoe basses are up there with the top of the top, but as always it's a subjective matter!

So long mates.

M

:eyebrow:

:D

About perfection.......

Jokes aside, I've been after Scott's basses for ten years, I can not pass this opportunity!
I think Roscoe basses are up there with the top of the top, but as always it's a subjective matter!

So long mates.

M


Mo,
I got a chance to play an Ambush bass a few months ago. It was a nice bass but I wasn't crazy about the setup. I'm sure that it could have been tweaked a bit more though.

I got one of my last long term GAS ventures out of the way this summer. A neck-thru Smith. It too was nice but after about a 3 month span I ran back to my Roscoe's. They just fit everything I do.

I'm glad that I got it out of my system though. If you don't try then you'll always wonder......:hmm:

Good luck!

Mo,
I got a chance to play an Ambush bass a few months ago. It was a nice bass but I wasn't crazy about the setup. I'm sure that it could have been tweaked a bit more though.

I got one of my last long term GAS ventures out of the way this summer. A neck-thru Smith. It too was nice but after about a 3 month span I ran back to my Roscoe's. They just fit everything I do.

I'm glad that I got it out of my system though. If you don't try then you'll always wonder......:hmm:

Good luck!

The grass is not always greener eh! ;)

Mark

Mo,
I got a chance to play an Ambush bass a few months ago. It was a nice bass but I wasn't crazy about the setup. I'm sure that it could have been tweaked a bit more though.

I got one of my last long term GAS ventures out of the way this summer. A neck-thru Smith. It too was nice but after about a 3 month span I ran back to my Roscoe's. They just fit everything I do.

I'm glad that I got it out of my system though. If you don't try then you'll always wonder......:hmm:

Good luck!

The setup is the last of my worries... it's a very easy fix.
Like I have mentioned, I have to do this.... Scott said I'll have few days to evaluate the bass... so...

We'll see :smug:

M