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JamesKent
07-21-2006, 01:32 AM
Hi, Im a student in my final year of high school and I have chosen music and education as an elective and for one of my components, I have to explain to the markers how I would teach bass to a beginner. My speech must go for around 10 minutes and I must demonstrate what I mean. Basically I was thinking to do a 10 week lesson program but Im unsure as to in which order I would teach things and how far I would be able to get in 10 minutes. I was wondering if you would be able to shed some light? Anything would be greatly appreciated. I am asking all the personalities here cos I need all the information I can get from varying sources (Assessment requirements)

Todd Johnson
07-21-2006, 11:50 AM
Hi, Im a student in my final year of high school and I have chosen music and education as an elective and for one of my components, I have to explain to the markers how I would teach bass to a beginner. My speech must go for around 10 minutes and I must demonstrate what I mean. Basically I was thinking to do a 10 week lesson program but Im unsure as to in which order I would teach things and how far I would be able to get in 10 minutes. I was wondering if you would be able to shed some light? Anything would be greatly appreciated. I am asking all the personalities here cos I need all the information I can get from varying sources (Assessment requirements)


Hi James,

OK.....remember, you asked! Ha! :D ...;)

Here are my 5 basic pillars of bass education:

1.Technique
2. Reading
3. Line creation (walking bass lines)
4. Fingerboard Harmony – Vertical and Horizontal approaches. (Which is basically knowing the neck and applying theory.)
5. Melodic - soloing, improvisation

Virtually anything else you'll learn will be an extension or combination of these skills. So think about how you might sneek some or part of these skills into a lesson plan.....

That being said.................

The first thing I cover with my students is HOW TO PRACTICE. I tell them that if they knew how to "learn and practice efficiently" they wouldn't need to come to me for lessons!! Ouch!!!!....Hey, I speak the truth in LOVE!!!

So......

IMHO, ..... the most important thing I can teach them is how to "learn and practice efficiently". If this skill is not in place, then success will be difficult to obtain. Make sense???

So, I start with:

1. Practicing Skills (see document below)

2. Technique is next..... I concentrate on teaching them how to "get a good sound" from their hands.......and.....try to eliminate as much "inefficiency and wasted motion" from their hands as we can. (all this information is on my "Technique Builders DVD)

3. I try to balance that with READING skills.

I INSIST that my students learn to read standard notation. I get them reading up to 1/8 notes etc.... nothing too crazy.... just basic survival stuff!! If they're not willing to invest in this, then I WILL NOT take them as students. At that point it's a waste of my time and their money!!!

So...........

Once they have a basic understanding of "how to practice", "efficient technique" and some basic "reading skills" then we're armed with the skills we need to learn EVERYTHING else in an efficient manner.

I try to sell this program to my students as a sort of "bass boot camp" type of thing...... the sooner they decide they want to get the basics out of the way, then the sooner we can get to all the "fun" stuff.

Once they can get a good sound and read music.....then Walking bass, theory, improvising etc. will all come quickly and efficiently. They'll have the skills needed to trouble shoot, understand and APPLY just what it is they're learning.........

Without these skills, trying to learn Walking bass, theory, improvising etc. will be a "difficult proposition" at best!!!

I hope this helps.......and makes sense!!
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****DISCLAIMER*******
The students I've had that "REALLY" embrace this method.... and actually "APPLY IT" ..... are the one's that are "HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL"..... the one's that "DON'T"......."AREN'T"..... Period.... end of story. :eek:
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So.....after all that, here's the document on practicing!! Whew!!

Please be sure and let us all know how your report works out!
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I just found out I'll have to add the document in the next post!!

So....check out the next post for the practicing document!!

(It's truly humbling when a computer tells you that you're long winded! Ha! ;) ...:D ...:o ...:help: ...)

Todd Johnson
07-21-2006, 11:51 AM
Here goes:

If you are like most people, you are either self-taught or you learned how to play a musical instrument in the public schools. If so, then be aware that you may have been programmed to learn in an inefficient and largely unrewarding way. As a result, many hours of practice have been lost because you cannot remember what you learned. And, obviously, if you can’t remember it, you can’t use it. Unfortunately you may have invested a great deal of time and money only to feel as if learning music is all work and no reward. If this has been your experience, then it’s time to learn a new way.
The problem of the old way is that it depends for its success upon rote learning and ineffective methods of memorization. By contrast, the new way is compatible with the way the nervous system processes information and enables you to make progress in a natural and satisfying way.
It is essential to bear in mind that the valuable years of learning, which passed when you were very young and the nervous system was still being formed, have already been given up to the old way. Habits have been formed which are, for the most part, bad habits. These are destructive to the learning process, and will not contribute to your growth or pleasure in the study of music. However, simply recognizing these habits for what they are is not enough to get rid of them. You may consciously understand the new way, but the unconscious is in the grip of the old way and will prevail unless you constantly remind yourself. Presence of mind throughout the entire learning experience is necessary if you want to break the spell of the old habits. The new way may seem a little artificial to you because it is so unlike your previous training, but have faith – you will see results soon!
Now, let’s look at the features of the new way. We will take up in turn: Quality, Quantity, Motivation, Diagnosis, Two Kinds of Memory, Recall, Time Frames, Accuracy and Speed, and Overload.

Quality

With the old way of learning, you are fed a piece of information of dubious relevance or importance and expected to master it for some future good, which you do not presently comprehend. Because the information is not perceived to be of use to you, it is not well enough imprinted for easy recall. Then, six months later, when you need it for a particular application, you have to go back and learn it all over again. This has taken twice the time for half the musical payoff. This does not mean that you won’t encounter material from time to time whose immediate relevance is not clear to you. You will. Should you ignore it and go on to the next assignment? The answer is no. Once your eyes, ears and hands have touched a thing, there is a kind of ‘déjà vu’ effect, which makes it much easier to remember later when the need arises. For this reason you should go through the regimen and discipline of learning that piece of information, knowing full well that you may not fully retain it this time around. There is how ever, a more efficient way to learn. It is based on the often heard but little appreciated rule that states: a person learns what he wants to learn when he wants to learn it. This is of the utmost importance in the selection of material. You must know exactly what you are working on and exactly why you want it. You must see how it fits into your present body of musical knowledge and how and where you will use it once you master it. Therefore, whenever possible, work only with information which has a useful purpose now.

Quantity

Let’s talk for a moment about dealing with large quantities of information.
When approaching a new piece of music with hundreds of notes that you are supposed to learn, are you going to learn all of those notes simultaneously? The answer is – not likely. Nevertheless, it is possible to make the simultaneous learning of many notes appear to happen, as it does with good studio sight-reading, but this is an illusion. They are still learning one note at a time; only the process is so accelerated, as to seem like magic.
The old Chinese proverb “ A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step” changes the nature of the problem of learning altogether. You have only to play the first note successfully and properly to inform your nervous system that you are capable of playing that first note well and that you have now played your instrument correctly. You have now proven to yourself that you are a successful learner. Now you need only to build on the base – step by step, and the performance of the rest of the piece is merely a question of quantity rather than quality. In other words, if a student skier can ski the first three feet correctly, he certainly can ski the next three feet correctly and the next and the next. With this recognition comes strengthened motivation. The next note is easier to learn and the process accelerates. Just remember; after learning that first note, ask yourself simply – what is the next step? The obvious answer is - the next note. In this way, dealing with hundreds of notes at once never overwhelms you.
The next step is just to put the first two notes together and perform them in sequence. You’ve now doubled the amount of material you’ve mastered without increasing the difficulty. Next? The third note and the fourth note… and now all four together…!

Motivation

We are all accustomed to think that motivation results from the input we receive from others, whether this is a gold star, a word of encouragement, or even a failing grade. This is part and parcel of the old way of learning, but the motivation received in this way is short-lived. The only lasting and reliable source of motivation is successful performance, and only you can insure this. The self is the real source of motivation.
When you turn to a lesson and sit down to devote fifty minutes of your time and concentration, you must be assured that at the end of the period you will put your instrument down and walk away with what you sat down to get. You must give up the habit of failing and replace it with the habit of success. You’ve got to walk away with the reward every time, or know exactly what went wrong. With the new way, failure to learn and grow is eliminated by design. You will never walk away with a blank because you are confused about what you are doing or because of poor study techniques. But how do you determine what to do if something does go wrong? This brings us to diagnosis.

Diagnosis

In your studies it is very important to be aware of the effects of environmental factors such as weather, light and background noise.
If it is a hot, stifling day and the oxygen count is low, your learning is going to be affected. Improper lighting can cause fatigue and eye strain. Be sure that your practice area is well lit; if you are particularly sensitive to this problem you might solve it with full-spectrum lighting, etc. Next, be aware of distracting noises in the environment. We live in a world of 60-cycle hum. The electricity in all of our walls is humming away, producing a pitch somewhere between b-flat and b-natural. If there is an air conditioner of refrigerator nearby, the sound can influence everything you play. You can be severely out of tune with the refrigerator and easily misdiagnose the problem as a fault of a tin ear or lack of talent.
All of this points to a larger concern- the problem of properly diagnosing and identifying the obstacle to successful and rewarding learning. You might think, for instance, “No matter how hard I try, I cannot play fast enough – there must be something wrong with my hands.” The problem may actually be only the poor synchronization of two excellent hands.
Finally, relaxation is an important factor. Being relaxed affects your blood-flow and your muscle tone. Proper posture is equally important. Get up from your chair, get the instrument out of your hands, and stretch frequently. If the task starts to seem overwhelming – lie down flat on the floor and breathe deeply for a few moments. Imagine yourself playing the passage perfectly; be kind and considerate to yourself- after all you are learning to play music for the joy of it. Keep yourself relaxed and comfortable at all times, and your learning will be many times more effective.

Two Kinds Of Memory

There are two kinds of memory involved in the learning process, motor memory and data memory. Your motor memory is the training of the physical or motor skills and your data memory is the memorizing of conceptual data. If you are training motor skills, you can practice for many long hours without doing any harm. The more of this kind of repetition the better. In fact, much of this kind of learning can be accomplished unconsciously. A person can achieve wonders while mindlessly staring at the television, playing or doodling for hours, even with the sound on.
With data memory (memorizing scales, fingering patterns, licks, songs, harmony etc.), you must work within very short time frames, making sure you do not exceed your attention span. Bear in mind that your attention span will vary from day to day, and may be as short as five, ten or fifteen minutes at any one sitting. The signal that you have come to the end of your natural attention span, may be anything from staring at the wall, to thinking about your vacation, to playing that little old blues lick you have known since you were seven. In this case, your unconscious mind is telling you, “you’re done, you’re full, and you’ve had enough for now”. This is perfectly natural. So take a short break. It’s no big deal. You’ll recover quickly and you can continue on effectively.
Remember, then, that there are two completely different aspects to gaining musical control of the instrument. First, learn by mental rehearsal, visualization and recalling it from memory. Second (though no less important), develop and train your motor skills through repetition. Don’t fall into the trap of confusing these two different types of learning by spending hours working without concentration trying to acquire conceptual data (data memory). Also, don’t be fooled into thinking that there is a short cut to acquiring motor skills.

Recall

Studies have shown that the mind is like a camera. Once it gets a clear impression of the material, the picture is snapped into focus. You have it. It can now be recalled and replicated in order to train the motor system. Memory should not depend on repetition. Rather, the rote learning we are taught in school is actually destructive to the learning process. What you should be doing is looking at the material once to get a very clear, focused picture: then, mentally rehearsing it without actually using the instrument. On the old rote-memory system, you are taught to repeat the learning process over and over. This is where you start to forget. The picture blurs, and you do not learn how to remember.
Reinforce this new way of learning by staying away from the printed page as much as possible. Make the snapping of the image only once a matter of habit. Practice recalling the sounds and visualizing the fingerings that match those sounds. Do this when you’re stuck in traffic, waiting for the bus, standing in line at the bank or having lunch. In time this will become a second nature, and you will become a perpetual learner, able to learn as much away from the instrument as you can with it in your hands.


Time Frames

You may ask “ How long should I work on new material at any one time?” The answer is, you should work on new material in very short time frames. A few minutes of concentrated, thoughtful study can make a solid impression and can prove far more beneficial than hours of unfocused drudgery.
You will need to assign yourself breaks by the clock until you become sensitive to your own physical and mental signals. So get yourself a kitchen timer and time each section of your practice.

I recommend practicing:

15 minutes on
5 minutes off
15 minutes on
5 minutes off

When your timer goes off, obey the discipline of the signal. Do not break it and go beyond your assigned time limit! Then as time goes by and you become better at managing your time, you will become more and more sensitive to your own limits, and you’ll be able to sense when you have gone on too long and need to rest. Remember that, while on the old method it is all right to practice until you drop, the new method requires you to re-train yourself for a whole new kind of learning experience.

Accuracy and Speed

It is natural for any student of instrumental music to want to play fast right away. This is a perfectly legitimate desire. It is crucial to remember, however, that speed is a by-product of accuracy. If you’re not accurate, your speed will simply not develop. If you try to play too fast too quickly you will simply reinforce the bad habit of sloppy playing.
Your first mistake should serve as a signal, informing you not to do it again. That little mistake might not seem like much to the casual listener, but to you, engaged in the training of your motor system, that one mistake is far too costly to let slip by uncorrected. If you do let it go by, your nervous system will begin to view that level of performance as acceptable, and the mistake will become more and more difficult to overcome. So an important rule to remember is: Do not make the same mistake more than once. Multiple mistakes of the same type are very dangerous. Once you make a mistake – stop, go back and slow it down to a tempo that you can play accurately without making a mistake. Then slowly increase the tempo and speed with accuracy will come naturally.

The Overload Problem

Now you might ask “All right, now I’ve broken the material down into very small sections, and I’m going to work on them slowly. But how many of these small sections can I keep in the air at the same time?” This is where you have to answer your own question. The process of assembling small bits of material is like a juggling act. If you’re trying to handle four small sections and at that moment you are only capable of handling three, adding the fourth can make you fumble the other three. So, if you feel a sense of overload, back off and concentrate on parts 1, 2, and 3. It’s far better to leave your practice session with three bars of successfully accomplished study than to walk away with fifty bars of material you don’t quite remember and can’t quite execute. If you do subject yourself to overload, you will exhibit some discouraging symptoms. The most obvious symptom is not getting around to practicing – you just don’t feel like doing it, even though you can’t explain why. Does this sound familiar?
Remember, that the ability to manage your time must always be kept in consideration. Realize that it may never become completely natural to you, because our previous training is likely to be deeply ingrained. You’ll have to remind yourself constantly that you are in the business of adopting new methods for more efficient learning.

Food For Thought…

To become a well-rounded musician takes time and patience. Rarely does anyone accomplish such a goal in less than four years, and I would guess that the norm is five to ten years-or longer. It takes time to be a good musician. There are no shortcuts or quick fixes.
Realize that very few people use their time to maximum efficiency. Minutes and hours of time pass unnoticed by most of us every day. Learn to use those minutes and hours, rather than wait for a longer,” more reasonable” time later. If there isn’t time to do everything, the do something. It is better to concentrate on a smaller number of items, anyway, than to attempt everything in one session.
Here’s an example: If you laid five bricks a day, at the end of the year you’d have a 10’ x 10’ practice room. If you copied one part from a score each day, by the end of a year you’d have copied 24 arrangements for a 15-piece band. If you drive to school or work, put some kind of stereo in your car. If the trip is 20 minutes each way, and you stay home on evenings and weekends, you can still listen to about 165 hours of music in a year. A typical jazz standard can be learned in about half an hour. If you learned a new jazz standard each day, in a year’s time you’ll have learned 365 songs.
By following these simple suggestions, at the end of the year you’d have a brick practice room, 24 arrangements copied (which could earn you up to $500), listened to 165 hours of music and learned 365 jazz standards.
This list probably doesn’t coincide with your goals or the timetable you’ve set for accomplishing your goals. But it should be obvious to you that without forsaking many, if any of your present activities, you can accomplish your goals and become what you wish to be.


Benny Goodman
Jazz Musician
May 19, 1985 University of Hartford


I remember one occasion, some years ago, when my late wife, a passionate and enthusiastic gardener, had been listening to me through an open window repeating endlessly certain passages of a piece I was practicing for a concert. She finally came in and said: “Don’t you ever get tired of going over and over and over the same phrase?” I had been glancing out of the window from time to time while playing so I replied: “ It’s funny you should ask me that. I have been watching you working in the boiling sun for hours on end, weeding, digging, planting, pruning, covered with dirt and I’ve been thinking the same about you.”

So perhaps one thing is common to both gardening and music. Good results depend inevitably on the work one is willing to put into it and in the work itself – whether practicing or planting – you find your true enjoyment.
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spindizzy
07-21-2006, 01:55 PM
Todd,

In a world focused primarily on personal gain and individual fortune it is rare to see someone so giving of thier talents in a venue that won't necessarily pay back a single dime.

What you did in this post for a young person with an honest desire to move forward with thier life was a clear demonstration of the giving person that you are.

It helps that the observations that you shared with this poster are also absolutely right on, and clearly, a carefully thought out approach to bass instruction (or any instrument really).

But the fact that your reply wasn't just "buy my DVD" or "what you want me to give you that for free?"...well all I can say is kudos and blessings because you deserve both.

Spin

Todd Johnson
07-21-2006, 02:12 PM
Todd,

In a world focused primarily on personal gain and individual fortune it is rare to see someone so giving of thier talents in a venue that won't necessarily pay back a single dime.

What you did in this post for a young person with an honest desire to move forward with thier life was a clear demonstration of the giving person that you are.

It helps that the observations that you shared with this poster are also absolutely right on, and clearly, a carefully thought out approach to bass instruction (or any instrument really).

But the fact that your reply wasn't just "buy my DVD" or "what you want me to give you that for free?"...well all I can say is kudos and blessings because you deserve both.

Spin


Hi Spin,

Wow....thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful words.

FWIW, this whole music thing isn't mine to keep and hold on to.

God has graciously given me some insight, a little bit of talent and a gnawing sense of curiosity about how to play and teach music.

It's all His material anyway.......I'm just trying to be faithful in passing it on to others.

I can't keep what isn't mine..... Besides, the more I give it away... the more it comes back and the more He blesses my meager efforts.

I don't pretend to understand it too much..... I just try to enjoy it.... and accept it.

Anyway.......

Thanks again!!

JamesKent
07-22-2006, 01:00 AM
Todd, I would firstly like to say say a massive thank you for putting in the time and effort to reply to my post. Know that it has helped me hugely and im so greatful. You are a good man and there surely should be more people like yourself.

Also, where am I able to get a copy of your DVD? do you ship overseas?

Todd Johnson
07-22-2006, 02:19 AM
Todd, I would firstly like to say say a massive thank you for putting in the time and effort to reply to my post. Know that it has helped me hugely and im so greatful. You are a good man and there surely should be more people like yourself.

Also, where am I able to get a copy of your DVD? do you ship overseas?

Hi James,

Your welcome......I'm glad to be of service.

My DVD's are available through my website www.toddjohnsonmusic.com

All you have to do is go to the "online store" page and click on whatever product you're interested in....it's very simple to figure out.......BTW, I ship overseas all the time...........so far without any problems!!!

Let me how I can help!!

rufusbass
07-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Hey Todd-
Just wanted to say hi-And I thought what you wrote in response was just excellent mate!
I just replied to the same question on my forum, and wanted to say hi etc!
All the Best
Rufus Philpot

Todd Johnson
08-02-2006, 10:07 PM
Hey Todd-
Just wanted to say hi-And I thought what you wrote in response was just excellent mate!
I just replied to the same question on my forum, and wanted to say hi etc!
All the Best
Rufus Philpot


Thanks Rufus.......it's great to hear from you!!!

Yeah,.....just passing on the "right" information....hopefully this can helps some folks!!

All I can say is that this is what works for me!!??

I hope to see you here in L.A. one of these days!!

Play slow! ;)

Jace The Bass
01-09-2007, 04:27 AM
Im glad I have someone on the same page esp. the practicing without your instrument I do that too having a mental picture of your basspart and how it sounds ,your very experienced & knowledgeable and sounds like your humble as well ,the qualities of a proffessional nice thread Todd

Todd Johnson
01-15-2007, 09:29 PM
Im glad I have someone on the same page esp. the practicing without your instrument I do that too having a mental picture of your basspart and how it sounds ,your very experienced & knowledgeable and sounds like your humble as well ,the qualities of a proffessional nice thread Todd

Hey Jace,

Cool...:cool: ....We can definitely VISUALIZE things....but NOTHING replaces HANDS ON PRACTICE!!!...:D

It a pleasure to have you join us!!!!!!!

BuffaloBob4343
01-26-2007, 01:02 PM
Todd,

I've been meaning to get to your site and order your techniques video, but have been kind of busy, etc. I have already benefitted immensely from your sample video on the floating thumb technique.

After reading this thread, I am compelled to so so right now, not only because it is clear that you have much to offer in terms of your knowledge and teaching abilities, but more importantly because I feel like owe you something for all of this valuable information!! LOL! :p

Seriously, a lot of this info seems like common sense after reading it, but it is in fact exactly for what a teacher should be paid. I really appreciate your presence here on TB!:)

Todd Johnson
01-30-2007, 09:49 PM
Todd,

I've been meaning to get to your site and order your techniques video, but have been kind of busy, etc. I have already benefitted immensely from your sample video on the floating thumb technique.

After reading this thread, I am compelled to so so right now, not only because it is clear that you have much to offer in terms of your knowledge and teaching abilities, but more importantly because I feel like owe you something for all of this valuable information!! LOL! :p

Seriously, a lot of this info seems like common sense after reading it, but it is in fact exactly for what a teacher should be paid. I really appreciate your presence here on TB!:)

Hey Bob,

Cool.....just trying to do what I can to help my all my bass brothers out there.

Your kind words and your support are greatly appreciated.

I'm here to help.

elbarax
07-03-2007, 12:06 AM
Hi Todd,
The practicing document is really inspiring. In fact it can be applied not just in learning music. You are really very inspiring. Long live and God Bless !

Kosko
07-17-2007, 03:26 PM
Wow, thats some "Zen"ish type advice there, I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

Todd Johnson
07-23-2007, 06:04 PM
Hi Todd,
The practicing document is really inspiring. In fact it can be applied not just in learning music. You are really very inspiring. Long live and God Bless !

Hey, thanks for the kind words.....PTL for this stuff. He's the one who should really get the credit!!!

Todd Johnson
07-23-2007, 06:05 PM
Wow, thats some "Zen"ish type advice there, I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

Happy to help........Now we all just have to apply it! Aha!;)

Let me know how it works for you!!!!

sonofabass
07-25-2007, 01:37 AM
God Bless you Todd. Thank you so much for this info.

Todd Johnson
07-25-2007, 10:52 AM
God Bless you Todd. Thank you so much for this info.

You're absolutely welcome!!!

Apply this information and you're on your way to successful learning!!

smogg
07-25-2007, 11:56 AM
Hi Todd,
just read your "practicing doc." You really hit the nail on the head about all the time that has been wasted by improper practice. I can not tell how times over the years I have said to my self "there has to be a better way".
Thank you for showing me "the" way.
Peace be with you

Todd Johnson
07-26-2007, 02:33 PM
Hi Todd,
just read your "practicing doc." You really hit the nail on the head about all the time that has been wasted by improper practice. I can not tell how times over the years I have said to my self "there has to be a better way".
Thank you for showing me "the" way.
Peace be with you

Smogg......

Cool...you're welcome....15 on....5 off...repeat forever!!!

Have fun and play slow!!;)