So, you have a demeter pre amp in your Roscoe...what amplifier or pre/power amp combo are you using?

I was using a Demeter HBP-1 & Eden WT-1000 through an Eden D-410XST cabinet, but I haven't had a gig "worthy" of such a rig in a few years, so I let it go recently.

Now I have an Eden WT-550 head and D-210MBX cabinet, I'm planning on supplimenting it with a D-210XST soon.

However, most of my playing time these days is through a Phil Jones Bass Briefcase.

The Demeter sounds great through it all...

I was using a Demeter HBP-1 & Eden WT-1000 through an Eden D-410XST cabinet, but I haven't had a gig "worthy" of such a rig in a few years, so I let it go recently.

Now I have an Eden WT-550 head and D-210MBX cabinet, I'm planning on supplimenting it with a D-210XST soon.

However, most of my playing time these days is through a Phil Jones Bass Briefcase.

The Demeter sounds great through it all...

I love the WT550! I've been testing the WT vs TF420 back and forth and I prefere the WT. I'm using it with a Epifani UL210!
How do you place the MBX Gard? Right behind you, facing your ears, or in front as a monitor (I guess you'll need a PA to be heard, then)...

Mo'

My call!
Usually Markbass 210 combo in the school, I love the sound of 210s more than 1X15 or 1X12.
Just purchased an used Epifani UL210 from a guy in California, and hope I can get a LM II or LMK to go with the cab.
One of my classmates got a Eden WT800/Epifani UL210 rig, sounds killer too.
The amp that I won't use with my Demeter-Roscoe is Ampeg stuff. The rig I tried (SVT-III/4X10) sounds too brittle to me, I had to turn all the treble and highs of graphic EQ down to have an acceptable sound.
I brought the Roscoe to test the Bass POD Pro the other day, and the only patches I like were Acoustic 360 and Eden.
Hope that helps.

Eden Metro here. On big gigs I also bring my Eden 115-XLT underneath.

Roscoe+ Demeter Pre+ Eden= Tone to die for

Fawkes,
This is a very cool topic. What does a Demeter-equipped Roscoe sound good through?

I have 2 amps. My combo (Gallien Krueger 700RB Neo112 combo), and my larger rig (GK1001 RB II head and an Accugroove Tri 112). They both sound great. Very modern, articulate and responsive. Great for slap!!

I routinely run Demeter-equipped Roscoes through a SWR Redhead and Epifani & Accugroove cabs powered with a Stewart 2.1/SWR IOD preamp. Every once in a while I will have someone gripe about SWR, but they don't seem to have a problem once the Roscoe gets plugged in! :p

I just want to say, even though I dont have a Roscoe, that the demeter hbp-1 preamp is very nice.

I run mine through a Genz Benz GBE1200 and two SWR Goliath III cabs. The sound is very modern, articulate and responsive. The Demeter is sweet.

Shawn

I run mine through a Genz Benz GBE1200 and two SWR Goliath III cabs. The sound is very modern, articulate and responsive. The Demeter is sweet.

Shawn

Shawn,
You could probably shatter a few window panes with the setup you have! That is a hazardous, hi-decibel environment!:eek:

(But I bet it's a blast to be in fron of!):smug:

I love the WT550! I've been testing the WT vs TF420 back and forth and I prefere the WT. I'm using it with a Epifani UL210!
How do you place the MBX Gard? Right behind you, facing your ears, or in front as a monitor (I guess you'll need a PA to be heard, then)...

Mo'

Mo',
Make sure you try them both live before you decide. I prefered the WT550 over the TFB-550 until I played live a few times. I really love the glassy highs of the Eden amps (particuarly solo) but the TFunk just kills live!

I still dig the Eden though, so much that I just bought an Eden WT400 as my backup head.;)


Back on topic.....

I use 2 Berg HT-112's with the TFunk TFB-550B or Eden WT400.

Hey there!
man... I gig 2-4 times a week + some studio!
I like both, but even my band mates told me they prefer the WT550. I don't know what it is exactly, but the Eden cut through better and it's warmer then the TF. IMO IME.
I actually prefer the TF solo then the EDEN... go figure :smug:
It's what I keep telling to the students here in school: there's no right or wrong, if it sounds good, it's good! :hyper:

Mo'
Mo',
Make sure you try them both live before you decide. I prefered the WT550 over the TFB-550 until I played live a few times. I really love the glassy highs of the Eden amps (particuarly solo) but the TFunk just kills live!

I still dig the Eden though, so much that I just bought an Eden WT400 as my backup head.;)


Back on topic.....

I use 2 Berg HT-112's with the TFunk TFB-550B or Eden WT400.

Hey there!
man... I gig 2-4 times a week + some studio!
I like both, but even my band mates told me they prefer the WT550. I don't know what it is exactly, but the Eden cut through better and it's warmer then the TF. IMO IME.
I actually prefer the TF solo then the EDEN... go figure :smug:
It's what I keep telling to the students here in school: there's no right or wrong, if it sounds good, it's good! :hyper:

Mo'

I hear ya' Bro'!
Different strokes for different folks!:)

It may be the difference in the voicing of the Epi 210 verses the Bergs that I use.
Either way, both heads rock!

Hey!

:mad:

What the heck, y'all come into our forum and start talking about AMPS!?!?!?!?

:spit:

...of course, we all know why Joe's rig sounds so good, don't we???

:cool:


:hiding:

Okay - how about I start THIS thread....

"WHAT COLOR SOCKS DO YOU WEAR WHEN YOU PLAY YOUR ROSCOE?"

"For me, it's just a crazy impulsive thing! When I'm playing my fretless, I wear warm muted colors, like brown, cocoa, and meloncholy beige. When I'm playing my new ash/maple rocker, heck I just want to cut loose with my fire engine red socks with the black-and-white smiley faces."



Should be stimulating conversation.

What if we go sockless? :eek:

I live in North Carolina...


...what are these "socks" you speak of???


:confused:






;)

OK, this thread has officially entered the twilight zone.

OK, this thread has officially entered the twilight zone.

...welcome to my world....




:D

:eek: :eek: doo dee doo doo doo dee doo doo doo dee doo doo. " you are now entering the Rosocoe Zone, a demention between both space and time.

A place where nubile temptresses give Gard full body massages three times a day with linseed oil and fretboard wax.

doo dee doo doo doo dee doo doo:eek: :eek:
:D :D

Sooooo anyway...the reason why I started this thread is because the Demeter preamp seems very sophisticated and robust...there is a lot of headroom from the 18 volts and a lot you can do with it from an EQ standpoint. To that end, it has been driving me a little nuts...I love the sound of it, but coming to terms with leaving my Ashdown completely flat (the slightest boosting of the ashdown preamp while playing my Roscoe sends the ashdown preamp clipping to hell and back) has been perplexing. What I have determined is that using the Demeter to shape your sound is a better choice than using the EQ on the amp. I mean, have you guys ever boosted the bass on the demeter, even slightly? All of the sudden...."whooooompfffff!!!"

The more I play with it, the more amazed I am at all the usable sounds that come from that little circuit board.

So, I was wondering what amps you guys were using, and how you were dealing with an 18 volt pre amp through your signal chain.

Do you have a "pad" switch or input on the Ashdown? On a GK head it's a little button. On Eden amps you pull out one of the knobs. It lowers the input from the bass so it won't overdrive the amp.

Please forgive me if you already knew this. With 10,000 bassplayers online, you're never sure who knows this stuff already.

Hey!

:mad:

What the heck, y'all come into our forum and start talking about AMPS!?!?!?!?

:spit:

...of course, we all know why Joe's rig sounds so good, don't we???

:cool:


:hiding:

Yeah! It's definitely the Roscoe!:bassist:

...forget the socks!.....I've notcied that my Roscoe sounds better when I wear briefs!:eek:

....much tighter!:D

Yeah! It's definitely the Roscoe!:bassist:

...forget the socks!.....I've notcied that my Roscoe sounds better when I wear briefs!:eek:

....much tighter!:D

I prefer boxer briefs, good combination of "tight" and "loose".

:hiding:

Sooooo anyway...the reason why I started this thread is because the Demeter preamp seems very sophisticated and robust...there is a lot of headroom from the 18 volts and a lot you can do with it from an EQ standpoint. To that end, it has been driving me a little nuts...I love the sound of it, but coming to terms with leaving my Ashdown completely flat (the slightest boosting of the ashdown preamp while playing my Roscoe sends the ashdown preamp clipping to hell and back) has been perplexing. What I have determined is that using the Demeter to shape your sound is a better choice than using the EQ on the amp. I mean, have you guys ever boosted the bass on the demeter, even slightly? All of the sudden...."whooooompfffff!!!"

The more I play with it, the more amazed I am at all the usable sounds that come from that little circuit board.

So, I was wondering what amps you guys were using, and how you were dealing with an 18 volt pre amp through your signal chain.

Sorry for off topic comments!:)

The only amp that I've noticed anything close to what you're describing is when I ran through my former GK 1001RB II without padding the input (like Basso mentioned).
No problems with the TFunk or Eden. Compared to the Bart 3-Band pre, the Demeter is not real hot (assumming that you have the Bart sesitivity pot fairly high; i.e. factory setting).

I have noticed though that the first 2 Roscoe Demeters I purchased didn't seem as hot as the most recent one that I purchased (one year ago). Maybe Roscoe had James or Adam change the input sensitivity.

Gard, care to comment (in a constructive manner)?:)

Compared to the Bart 3-Band pre, the Demeter is not real hot (assumming that you have the Bart sesitivity pot fairly high; i.e. factory setting).



+1
My Bart preamp (haven't touched the factory output pot) is hotter than the Demeter pre. The Bart has more pronounced mids naturally. On my bass the Demeter has a slight scoop in the mids...and less overall output.

Hope this all helps

...y'know, I just love all the avatars in this thread...(I just counted 6 Roscoe bass photos!!!)

:cool:

:)

On topic - Yeah, Joe and John are dead on, the Demeter doesn't have quite the output of the Bart or Aggie pre's. I haven't noticed any difference/change in the output of the Demeter, but it's possible there was some modification BEFORE I came to work here???

To my ears, it's simple:

Bart - warm, thick, compressed, low-mid "bump"

Aggie - a bit more "aggressive", high-mid "bump"

Demeter - what the bass sounds like unplugged, just plugged in

I was just catching up on this thread. As I was reading all of the off topic comments, I was wondering if Keith ever looks over Gard's shoulder and asks, "What are those wonderful Roscoe-loving knuckeheads typing now?":D

I wear white socks unless I'm in dress shoes, then it's the color of the shoes.:hiding:

Hey Bob, got plenty of black socks???

:D

Hey Bob, got plenty of black socks???

:D
That's funny. I forgot about that.

For those of you who are wondering... I had a conference in Orlando the January before Gard moved to NC. I was occationally taking lessons from Gard when I could get up to Orlando. So I found some time to go to Gard's apartment, take a lesson and then I was going to go to this semi-formal party. So I brought my clothes to change into at Gard's place. Well I forgot my black socks. Gard graciously let me borrow a pair of black socks.

He then moved to NC. When I sent my 6 string back to Roscoe to get the Demeter retrofitted, I sent him his socks back with a new pair as interest. I always wondered what everyone else at Roscoe Guitars thought about the two pair of black socks in the case.

...y'know, I just love all the avatars in this thread...(I just counted 6 Roscoe bass photos!!!)

:cool:

:)



I counted 7... :eyebrow:

Someone didnt do too well in kindergarden ;)

I counted 7... :eyebrow:

Someone didnt do too well in kindergarden ;)

Hey, Bob posted AFTER I posted 6, punk!

:spit:




;)

I always wondered what everyone else at Roscoe Guitars thought about the two pair of black socks in the case.

Keith ribbed me for a month about that...

:rollno:

...he loves any excuse to crack on anyone in the shop.

:spit:

Hey, Bob posted AFTER I posted 6, punk!

:spit:




;)

Haha...I see him up there before that ;)

Its ok, Ill let you just chalk it up to being senile. :D

Oh my god. Can we please return to the original topic?

Does anyone know what kind of solder Demeter uses on their circuit boards? I've heard that can have a big impact on the sound...

Oh my god. Can we please return to the original topic?

Does anyone know what kind of solder Demeter uses on their circuit boards? I've heard that can have a big impact on the sound...

Who ever told you that has probably smelled way too much solder/resin fumes!:)


Electrical solder is typically 60%-tin 40%-lead (except some of the new lead free solder (RoHS - Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive).
If you can hear the difference between electrical solder you're a much better man than me!:D

You may be confusing discussion concerning surface mounting components verses traditional component soldering (pads, vias,.....).

Demeter pre in action...Labor Day Weekend party with my classic rock band.

Demeter pre in action...Labor Day Weekend party with my classic rock band.

Cool!
Nice scenry!

.............Cool alien too!:)

Haha...I see him up there before that ;)

Its ok, Ill let you just chalk it up to being senile. :D

OK Everyone relax. Gard can count. After his comment about counting 6 Roscoe avatars, I added my headstock.

Demeter pre in action...Labor Day Weekend party with my classic rock band.
That Demeter pre looks so cool in that picture!

OK Everyone relax. Gard can count. After his comment about counting 6 Roscoe avatars, I added my headstock.

Its alright, just yankin his chain around. :)

OK Everyone relax. Gard can count. After his comment about counting 6 Roscoe avatars, I added my headstock.

You've got to remember that Gard does everything in increments of 2

example:
two socks...........
6 strings............
4 speakers.........
and of course the infamous "two more weeks":) ..........

Fawkes,
Back to the topic of your Demeter pre........
I had stated earlier that I had only experienced the over drive with the GK (w/o the pad initiated) but I recently picked up an Eden WT400 and noticed without the input padded it tended to slightly over drive when the midrange was really boosted (full up). With the input padded, the problem went away. I suspect what you're experiencing can be corrected by padding the input.

You've got to remember that Gard does everything in increments of 2

example:
two socks...........
6 strings............
4 speakers.........
and of course the infamous "two more weeks":) ..........

That last line is simply priceless.

That last line is simply priceless.

Toadally. "You should have it in _______." I used to love hearing that every, oh, two weeks from Gard...this after he gave me an ETA when I placed the order...the ETA would come and go, I'd shoot the bastard an email, and I'd get the "two more weeks" reply! It was great! After the third one, I just gave up.

Of course, when it was finished, they send it off to Jay at Blueberry Hill, and he gets it, and I ask him, "Hey, when do I get it?" And Jay says, "In two weeks!"

BWAAAAAH HAW HAW HAW!!!!!!!!

...aw man, you guys are killin' me...


:bawl:


...and I thought y'all liked us....


:bawl:




I don't like ETA's coming and going, honest...but sometimes, despite the best laid plans of mice and men, well...you know the rest!

:hmm:

...aw man, you guys are killin' me...


:bawl:


...and I thought y'all liked us....


:bawl:



Man you know we love you Guys!:D

It's just fun to pick on you!:p

Speaking of which...in all seriousness, Gard, what is present ETA with Roscoe now that y'all are sooooo cool?

(Diclaimer: Previous Fawkes007 post was meant in a light hearted fashion and does not reflect any ill feeling towards Gard or Roscoe Guitars, Inc. by Fawkes007, Ltd.)

Fawkes, well, honestly, if you were to place an order today, it would be into Feburary before it would be done, maybe March. We are working on some things that will smooth and speed the process a bit, without sacrificing any quality, but it won't be "in place" for a while, probably after the first of the year.

...and honestly, ya'll. 6 months is SHORT for a custom bass by some standards. Depending on your builder, you could be looking at a 14-16 month wait.

Fawkes, you will really dig what you get.

Agreed. I waited 5.5 for mine, and it was worth the wait. I know other builders have a year to two year wait list! I was just wondering as Roscoe seems to have come to the forefront of the bass world in the past year.

Now, if we can only get those morons at Bass Player to do a fair review...

I wouldn't call anyone at BP any names!!!

:)

They have requested basses for review a few times (none in the NEAR past), but due to the fact that we're already behind schedule with basses for customers, we have not made a review bass for them yet. It's on our list of "things we'd love to do one day", and we will eventually do it.

I wouldn't call anyone at BP any names!!!

:)

They have requested basses for review a few times (none in the NEAR past), but due to the fact that we're already behind schedule with basses for customers, we have not made a review bass for them yet. It's on our list of "things we'd love to do one day", and we will eventually do it.


Oh, Gard!! Man, you guys need to vindicate yourselves after that ancient 5-string shootout!! The damage from that review is still being felt in some circles. That description simply DOES NOT describe how Roscoes play -- and I think the bass world needs to know that. Plus, Roscoe offers SO much more in its instruments than when that review came out.

Dude, (here I am telling you how to do your job) you guys TOTALLY need to crank out a "total mojo-reverse the tide-Bassplayer mag Roscoe!!"

ahh. the double edge sword of BP reviews. Those reviews can be pretty rough and inaccurate IMO. I had alot more faith during the days of Jim Roberts (even though the 5 string shootout in question was back then). These days, I've found their reviews to be pretty contrary to my own first hand experience with more than a few products.

But hey, how about those demeter preamps:D

I wouldn't call anyone at BP any names!!!

:)

They have requested basses for review a few times (none in the NEAR past), but due to the fact that we're already behind schedule with basses for customers, we have not made a review bass for them yet. It's on our list of "things we'd love to do one day", and we will eventually do it.

Tell you what...I'll send them mine to review (for a reasonable amount of compensation of course...say, a Century Signature 4...). They'll love it.

...in action...

ahh. the double edge sword of BP reviews. Those reviews can be pretty rough and inaccurate IMO.


+1

Notice that their criticisms are ridiculously minor, like "the volume knob was stiffer than the others so we loosened it.":rollno: C'mon! We go to Guitar Center, we check out the online stores, we try out gear at the bass get-togethers. We get a good idea of what gear is like. I wish they wouldn't insult our intelligence with a glossy review of what could be a terrible piece of gear. I think they are too aware that all these manufactuers and builders are also potential advertisers so they can't flame their products.
That's why I appreciate TB -- I think this forum tells it like it is regarding product info. You can get both sides of an argument almost in real time!:smug:

+1

Notice that their criticisms are ridiculously minor, like "the volume knob was stiffer than the others so we loosened it.":rollno: C'mon! I think they are too aware that all these manufactuers and builders are also potential advertisers so they can't flame their products.
That's why I appreciate TB -- I think this forum tells it like it is regarding product info. You can get both sides of an argument almost in real time!:smug:

Is this BP article online somewhere? Ive heard of it, but never had a chance to read it.

I think the 5 string shootout was in 95, but can't remember the particular issue. It was a great idea, look at 10 or so "high end" handmade basses and compare them, with special attention to the b string performance. I'd like to read that again. The pics were sure juicy I remember that.

The one thing they said was that the LG's B string rocked the house!!!! They made it sound like the roscoe's B was the cats pajamas.


I agree about the slant on reviews being influenced by advertising by manufacturers who get reviewed. If they lost a couple of those full page ads, that would definitley hurt bizness. It doesn't exactly make for a level playing field though does it??

wow, this is so the wrong thread for this discussion. Thats all I'll say......

I have read every issue and actually every, every CD I bought from their reviews was weak vapid and just not good. What they called funky was light what they called World was at best neighborhood ...But they did say the Roscoe bass' B was like a Steinway. Though I ended up purchasing Smith that I have recorded some great CDs with and many good live gigs it left a lot to be desired. So I ordered my first Roscoe while recovering from a serious operation. I always remembered what that review said. I used to move pianos so I know Steinway. Well it was and is a monster. It is so easy to play and yank any tone out of. I responds to the touch. It makes amps whimper. I play most amps flat so the Roscoe can do it's job. Like the guy said customers complain at Blueberry about the SWR until they hear a Roscoe through it.
P.S. My second LG 3005 # 5323 w/OPB-3 and regular nut is equally as monstrous and in a completely different way.
Steinway B oh yeah!

I wouldn't call anyone at BP any names!!!

:)

They have requested basses for review a few times (none in the NEAR past), but due to the fact that we're already behind schedule with basses for customers, we have not made a review bass for them yet. It's on our list of "things we'd love to do one day", and we will eventually do it.

I've been a subscriber of BP magazine since day one (I have every issue) but I won't even state what I think about Bass Player's totaly Unbiased reviews:hiding:

If Bass Player magazine wants to review a Roscoe.....Let 'em buy their own!:p

We don't need BP to tell us how good Roscoe's are. We already know!:smug:

Reviews??? We don't need to steenking reviews!!!

Eden Metro here. On big gigs I also bring my Eden 115-XLT underneath.

Roscoe+ Demeter Pre+ Eden= Tone to die for

Hey folks, I'm working on the Roscoe Avatar. anyway, relative to the above quote, I recently took delivery of one Eden WT-1205 to sit between my Dem. equipped Roscoe and my two Schroes, and the Roscoe doesn't seem to have enough output to achieve satisfactory gain level in this amp. This is somewhat of a known issue, one I though remedied before my purchase, but apparently not. I can't even get a clip to light with everything maxxed, and the comp is useless.

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

Before you return the amp, how about this:

I haven't received my Roscoe yet (due w/in a week! :hyper: ) but I ordered the Demeter w/18v option... I'm not sure if you're running 9 or 18v, or even if that would make the difference, but you may want to check it out, especially if you like the sound of the Demeter.

My only experience w/18v onboard pre's was an Aggie OBP-3 I had in a Dingwall ABII... and it had PLENTY o' gain...

Something to think about, anyway.

FYI folks, the Demeter comes 18v STANDARD, not optional. That is the only way it is available.

I agree that the output on the preamp is not as "hot" as some of the others can get, but the 18v is not intended for high output, it's intended for headroom, so it will operate cleanly.

Coyote, I don't know what is up with it not "hitting" hard enough on the input of your amp. Mine will drive my WT-550 over the edge if I set the input gain too high on the Eden...

:hmm:

Is there a "pad" switch on the WT-1205 that you can use? If so, is it operating???

FYI folks, the Demeter comes 18v STANDARD, not optional. That is the only way it is available.

I agree that the output on the preamp is not as "hot" as some of the others can get, but the 18v is not intended for high output, it's intended for headroom, so it will operate cleanly.

Coyote, I don't know what is up with it not "hitting" hard enough on the input of your amp. Mine will drive my WT-550 over the edge if I set the input gain too high on the Eden...

:hmm:

Is there a "pad" switch on the WT-1205 that you can use? If so, is it operating???


sorry about the 18-v thing - my bad. i thought it could be wired either way.


good point on the pad. not sure about the 1205, but my old WT-600 had one...

Hey folks, I'm working on the Roscoe Avatar. anyway, relative to the above quote, I recently took delivery of one Eden WT-1205 to sit between my Dem. equipped Roscoe and my two Schroes, and the Roscoe doesn't seem to have enough output to achieve satisfactory gain level in this amp. This is somewhat of a known issue, one I though remedied before my purchase, but apparently not. I can't even get a clip to light with everything maxxed, and the comp is useless.

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

Very strange.....:confused:

I formerly owned a WT-550 and currently own a WT-400 and they operate great with the Roscoe Demeter. I would think that portion of the Eden circuitry would be somewhat consistant between amps.

Hey Coyote,
Just wondering if it's something like dead batteries in the preamp....or even a cold solder in the bass.

I have a Demeter pre in one of my Roscoes, and have never experienced what you're describing. I also have to pad my inputs to my amplifiers, as Gard described, to keep it from distorting.

According to the Eden forum, the gain structure, due to other features, is different from the other amps.

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties. I will consider it, though, using the 6db turbo boost feature left me with still marginal performance of the comp. I will try it again.

thanks for the replies folks. a cold solder would be bad, but sound itself is fine, and batts are fresh. For comparison, my 18v NSEU6 is only a small improvement to the amps inputs.

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties.


sounds like it's a design issue - something of which they were :hmm: (or have become) aware...

good luck getting it together!

I seriously doubt it is the Demeter. I've had the opposite experience...sounds like the input gain on the Eden is the issue. Have you tried the bass with other amps?

According to the Eden forum, the gain structure, due to other features, is different from the other amps.

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties. I will consider it, though, using the 6db turbo boost feature left me with still marginal performance of the comp. I will try it again.

thanks for the replies folks. a cold solder would be bad, but sound itself is fine, and batts are fresh. For comparison, my 18v NSEU6 is only a small improvement to the amps inputs.

Bummer! I would suspect that if the WT-1205 has problems with the Demeter it also has problems with several other pre's.
I'm not sure of your power needs but if you really dig the Eden sound the WT-550 is a killer sounding amp and definitely works well with the Demeter.

Well, I sent the 1205 back. Too bad too, feature wise it was just about perfect for me.

I guess I'll make do with the IOD+SF-2 :cool: