Do you think Pink Floyd's The Wall is over rated ? why?

Hi

It is what it is. You enjoy the music or not. Its basically them writing about their friend and founder of the band. I think its a great album. Music is memorable, lyrics are at time haunting. Props to Floyd.

Rob

Hi

It is what it is. You enjoy the music or not. Its basically them writing about their friend and founder of the band. I think its a great album. Music is memorable, lyrics are at time haunting. Props to Floyd.

Rob

That could be any PF album.

HI

Yep. Agreed. Im not even a fan of Floyd. You dont have to be a fan to recognize the greatness

Rob

Honestly, I don't know what to say because I like and respect the concept, the movie and the live show, but there's a "little" thing that I don't like: THE ORIGINAL ALBUM. I have the movie, the "Is There Anybody Out There?" live set, both "The Wall Live in berlin" double LP and DVD, but I've never had and never been interested on having the original album. I don't know what it is, but simply there's something that doesn't sound right to me. I think it has to do with the fact that when it was released back in '79, I only was into Kiss and AC/DC type stuff and didn't understand what was so great about "Another Brick In The Wall Part II", which was a huge radio hit here. I only acquired the taste after seeing the movie.

It's a masterpiece.

There are a lot of PF albums I like more than "The Wall". I find it rambling and self-indulgent / self-pitying. Largely autobiographical, like Roger Waters Yelling "aww poor me!! My life as a rock star is soooo bad, look mow much of an asshole I am." for 80 minutes. I listened it in it's entirety for the first time in about 10 years recently and it was better than I remember as a whole. But I still prefer "Animals". "Wish You Were Here", "The Final Cut", and "Dark Side" over it by a big margin.

I dunno man
The Final Cut over The Wall?
I think the Final Cut was more self indulgent for Waters than the Wall atleast Gilmour had some form of input for The Wall

That album holds a lot of high school memories for me. For me it couldn't be rated highly enough.

you can pull it apart and over analyse and question the motives...but the difference between the floyd and bunch of guys in a toking session is that they were daft enough to acctually do it....and pull it off.

Do you think Pink Floyd's The Wall is over rated ? why?

what a weird question... why do so many people want to turn a discussion of art from being a matter of subjectivity & taste into some kind of absolutist objectivist black and white thing..?

people who can only think in those terms shouldn't be in the arts, they should be hammering nails into pieces of wood somewhere

why does everything have to be 'rated' anyway...? why do we care if other people love or hate what we love or hate? are we so unsure about our tastes & beliefs that we need a mandate for them? baaaaaa

The Wall strikes me as primarily the adolescent whinings of a pompous egomaniac control freak... it's self-pitying & distasteful... despite this, I really like it and it's one of my favorite rock albums... :)

what a weird question... why do so many people want to turn a discussion of art from being a matter of subjectivity & taste into some kind of absolutist objectivist black and white thing..?

people who can only think in those terms shouldn't be in the arts, they should be hammering nails into pieces of wood somewhere

why does everything have to be 'rated' anyway...? why do we care if other people love or hate what we love or hate? are we so unsure about our tastes & beliefs that we need a mandate for them? baaaaaa

The Wall strikes me as primarily the adolescent whinings of a pompous egomaniac control freak... it's self-pitying & distasteful... despite this, I really like it and it's one of my favorite rock albums... :)

This post made me laugh :)

what a weird question... why do so many people want to turn a discussion of art from being a matter of subjectivity & taste into some kind of absolutist objectivist black and white thing..?

people who can only think in those terms shouldn't be in the arts, they should be hammering nails into pieces of wood somewhere

why does everything have to be 'rated' anyway...? why do we care if other people love or hate what we love or hate? are we so unsure about our tastes & beliefs that we need a mandate for them? baaaaaa



no, doubt and if you don't believe this started reading the Gene Simmons thread in the bassist section sheeeesh!! :hmm: :eyebrow: :eyebrow: :hmm: :confused:

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The Wall strikes me as primarily the adolescent whinings of a pompous egomaniac control freak... it's self-pitying & distasteful... despite this, I really like it and it's one of my favorite rock albums... :)

I have to say, you have a complete and total understanding of the album. :D

I remember, at the time, seeing an interview of Waters where he talked about a show in toronto where they were playing songs from their latest album (Wish you were here, maybe). The crowd just kept yelling "MONEY! MONEY! MONEY!". He was so pissed he spit on some people in the front row. After that show, it hit him how isolated and egotistical he had become - that he had built a "wall" around himself and was totally ignorant of everything and everyone else. It was the point that the idea for "the Wall" came together.

I'm not sure he ever really "tore down the wall" in any way other than just recording the album.

But like most Floyd albums, The Wall is also about Syd Barrett.

IMO, The Wall is a great concept album with a fully realized storyline (mostly thanks to Waters). And it's a great collection of songs (mostly thanks to Gilmour).

The only issue I have w/ PF is that listening to them too much can be depressing.

I think it is, critics go wild for it but I just find it to be incredibly boring.

...Buying that album just before X-mas in 1979 and listening to it non stop over the X-mas break..

... a quarter century later we're still talking about it.

Do you think Pink Floyd's The Wall is over rated ? why?


Who is over-rating it - what are they saying - where can I read this?
:confused:

I just think it's weak compared to a lot of other pink floyd albums. A lot of the songs on it aid the storyline (which is cool) but aren't that good.

Strange side note, my favorite song on that album is "Vera."


Animals makes the Wall look like a pile of puke.

Sheesh....if this thread were a Woody Allen movie, I'm fairly certain this is where Marshall McLuhan would show up.... :eyebrow:

I think it is rated just right (??) I think that the wall has a great concept, with good music behind it--sure the lyrics might be a little too personal, but i ignore lyrics in 5/6 of the music i listen to :)

IMO, The Wall is a great concept album with a fully realized storyline (mostly thanks to Waters). And it's a great collection of songs (mostly thanks to Gilmour)."Fully realized storyline"?

The storyline starts strong on side 1, then side 2 and 3 and halfway through side 4 all the songs are an interchangable mess of experiences which mostly serve to demonstrate that the main character is a complete effing a-hole. The character does not develop, does not grow, does not learn from anything that he experiences, and the order of these things is largely meaningless as his character's fame grows.

From what I understand "The Trial" was a 90% Ezrin composed attempt to rescue the project or salvage some kind of story out of Roger's rambling incoherent narrative.Strange side note, my favorite song on that album is "Vera."I've always thought that some of the best melodies/songs aren't fully realized while some distinctly poor melodies/songs are ground over and over incessantly. That's always been one of my biggest problems with "The Wall". I mean, "Another Brick In The Wall, despite being a big hit, is a pretty crappy song. A mostly boring unimaginative melody with a call-and-response chorus which has lyrics that really only connect with the angst-filled adolescent boy record-buyers. Is there really a need to repeat that tedious song three times while leaving just a few seconds for a great melody like "Vera"?The Wall strikes me as primarily the adolescent whinings of a pompous egomaniac control freak... it's self-pitying & distasteful... I completely agree. Good album though. More than the sum of it's parts.

The last time I listened to the record in it's whole at the end I thought "Who "really loves" this jerk? Who's walking outside the wall? Effing NOBODY that's who? His mother? His ex wife? Fans? He derides and abuses them all, what do they have to "love" him for? There's nobody outside the wall. The only good thing is maybe he can start over and not be such a douchebag this time.

It's a masterpiece.

+1 Some Awesome guitar playing on that album.

I've always thought that some of the best melodies/songs aren't fully realized while some distinctly poor melodies/songs are ground over and over incessantly.



Agreed, the "Another Brick" series bores me to tears, but Vera is over the second I get into it. I haven't listened to The Wall in a while, it's just too much work to get through a lot of the tracks.

I remember it coming out and being totally panned by the critics in music papers in the UK !! :hmm:

So I don't understand where this concept of it being over-rated comes from...? :confused:

I'm with you on lyrics. Waters is one of the few people whose lyrics I really enjoy paying attention to because they say something.

...the lyrics might be a little too personal, but i ignore lyrics in 5/6 of the music i listen to :)

:eek: Over rated??? Are you kidding me? Bands don't make albums like that anymore. The Wall is simply brilliant. Although, I do find it kind of a downer to casually listen to, I find that I go to Animals, Wish You Were Here, and Dark Side of the Moon more than The Wall. Still it is NOT over rated.

I think it is totally overrated, but I'll be the first to tell you that you SHOULD NOT listen to my opinion, for the simple fact that I am not you. "I" don't care for it, "I" don't really care for any floyd, it bores the sheets out of me.

I want to appreciate them, I really do. Every so often I give it the old college try, but they sit with me about as good as 5 bean burritos from Taco Bell washed down with 4 cups of espresso.

I recently listened to a few coworkers rave about their greatness, so it inspired me to try again. I asked what they thought would be the best DVD/album to watch/listen to to try and convert me, I WANTED to be converted.

They suggested Live at Pompeii and I borrowed it.

What a boring, overtly self-indulgent piece of... well, you get the point. They played a note, and I got so bored waiting for the next that I went to the bathroom, put my coat on, drove 3 miles to the Beer Store, came back, cracked a brew and STILL had time to make a sandwich before the next note was played.

And before all of you load your flamethrowers with rocket fuel, go back and read my first sentence. This is my opinion, not yours, so I don't care how wrong I am, because I am not wrong, my opinion just differs from yours.

I'm with you on lyrics. Waters is one of the few people whose lyrics I really enjoy paying attention to because they say something.Even when they say "I'm a dick"?

I love The Wall.My favourite Floyd album.Sooo dark.There is themes of Syd int here but it isn't primarily about him.It's more of Roger's experience than anything.Maybe there was some inspiration from Syd.My personal favourites off that album are the Waters songs (Empty Spaces,Nobody Home etc).

IMO, The Wall is a great concept album with a fully realized storyline (mostly thanks to Waters). And it's a great collection of songs (mostly thanks to Gilmour).

The only issue I have w/ PF is that listening to them too much can be depressing.

Waters wrote almost all of the music to the wall (3 songs co-written with gilmour, and 1 co-written with ezrin.). I guess if you're takling about guitar solos or something, than yeah, that was gilmour, but other than that, Roger had a huge grasp over the band and pretty much guided it where he wanted it to go (and of course it's brilliant).

But, i agree, too much floyd can be quite depressing.

Personally, I think the album is great, but the movie is incredibly stupid.

Waters wrote almost all of the music to the wall (3 songs co-written with gilmour, and 1 co-written with ezrin.). I guess if you're takling about guitar solos or something, than yeah, that was gilmour, but other than that, Roger had a huge grasp over the band and pretty much guided it where he wanted it to go (and of course it's brilliant).

But, i agree, too much floyd can be quite depressing.

Yes, they are almost all Waters' songs, but, (to me) Gilmour provides the sound that makes the songs work -whether with his voice or his guitar. Without Gilmour's contribution, thesongs don't do much for me. That's not to denegrate Waters in any way - I just think Gilmour breathes life into those songs. That's why they were/are never quite as good separately as they are together. Dang, I wish they would do a new album.

I love the album and will continue to for the rest of my days. The movie was a little over the top, but still quite enjoyable for me. If anything I dislike the whole "acid trip" clique it has become.

I will say that Dark Side of the Moon and Animals are better imho.

It's a great record. Total classic.
That said, I need never hear the majority of it again. Heard it plenty of times already.

incredible record in every way i think. personally, i like 'animals' better. but 'the wall' is amazing.

Animals was definetly one of Floyds most highly regarded/inspirational albums(hell, Claypool covered the whole thing!), total gloom. The Wall was their last hurrah, great album but totally the end of the line for Floyd. Mason IIRC, hardly finished recording his parts when he left the band during its recordings along with Gilmore who refused to deal with Waters in the studio or be there when he was, terrible facts, but that's rock 'n roll...& usally it ends up cult afterwards, oh well...

~S~

PS: I recently heard a new song by Waters that totally sucked(IMO), & the last Gilmore album was so-so...

people who can only think in those terms shouldn't be in the arts, they should be hammering nails into pieces of wood somewhere


Very nice... well said.

dark side, maybe (and i LOVE dark side)

the wall, no.

Personally, I think the album is great, but the movie is incredibly stupid.
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The album isn't about Roger, it's about Sid, who committed suicide. He was so strung out, that's how Gilmore got involved. He took Sids place when he was too out of it to play and was a natural to step in after Sid was gone. "Shine on you crazy diamond" is about Sid too.
I guess the movie is based on a Rock Star loosing his mind in an LA hotel room, and I never liked the Boomtown Rats so I thought the main character was cast badly.

The Album floored me. I've always put that up there as one of the best made. I like it better than DSOTM, but I'm in the minority there. I like Animals and Wish you were here better than DSOTM also. Final Cut? They could have skipped that one.
That surprises me Bruce, I don't know about England, but it got rave reviews in So Cal when it came out. Continuous play.

+1
The album isn't about Roger, it's about Sid, who committed suicide.

Syd died last year from pancreatic cancer...those songs were written because Roger was so upset by Syd's mental and physical state, not because he was dead

Syd died last year from pancreatic cancer...those songs were written because Roger was so upset by Syd's mental and physical state, not because he was deadThat's the first I heard about the Pancratic Cancer, and forgive me misspelling Syd. Wow was I wrong. I thought Syd was dead. I knew Gilmore came into the band as a part time replacement, and then for good. I had always heard Syd did himself in, mostly due to his mental state.

I've shared here before I have Manic Depression that's under control, but have been on disablity for it, so I feel really bad about such a mistake.

Syd lived for many years as a total recluse !

There is a concert on 10th May at the Barbican in London to celebrate his work :

"Madcap's Last Laugh"

with many special guests

http://www.barbican.org.uk/music/event-detail.asp?ID=5653

I don't believe that the lyrics are too personal at all. That's the idea behind the album, to reach into ourselves and look at what we have created face to face, then deal with it. Great album that can only be met by other work from Floyd. Each song has a different meaning, but ties into the relevance of the whole story (unlike music nowadays) and brings out what nobody wants to acknowledge.

Such as:
-Problems with school crushing individuality and singling out the tinker.
-The way that the present-day family isn't the best influence.
-Suicide

Present day music that addresses these topics tend to be a bunch of kids whining about how their daddy didn't buy them some expensive new toy, so their unhappy with life. I really don't care how rich they are, but PF put it in a way that could affect everyone: His father died and his mother was over-controlling, and his life sucked. In other words, no one could do it better.

Syd lived for many years as a total recluse !

There is a concert on 10th May at the Barbican in London to celebrate his work :

"Madcap's Last Laugh"

with many special guests

http://www.barbican.org.uk/music/event-detail.asp?ID=5653So the article I just read says they aren't really sure what his mental illness was, but suspect it was, let's say, not helped any by LSD use. Was he never treated and just left miserable? If so, that's really sad. Heartbreaking.

I suspect it was the LSD - same thing happened with Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac.

I bumped into him - well not literally - in a music shop and he was with his carers/minders - so although he could play guitar - he was just "not there" ...:(

He seemed to be totally unaware of any people around him, where he was or what was happenning - but when one of them put a guitar in his hand - he could play wonderfully well!

Different parts of the brain I suppose - some surviving, some shot away by LSD..? :hmm:

I suspect it was the LSD - same thing happened with Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac.

I bumped into him - well not literally - in a music shop and he was with his carers/minders - so although he could play guitar - he was just "not there" ...:(

He seemed to be totally unaware of any people around him, where he was or what was happenning - but when one of them put a guitar in his hand - he could play wonderfully well!

Different parts of the brain I suppose - some surviving, some shot away by LSD..? :hmm:I knew 2 "Acid casualties" personally. Both totally disabled. Both dealers who had a bunch, took some forgot how much, and stated eating them like candy. They both never came down. One was a Vietnam Vet who would have flash backs of combat, he was a big guy and that was scary. He was on a ton of medication and his body just finally gave out and he went in his sleep. The other one is my age and I went to school with him. 45 and been on a trip for close to 30 yrs now. At least he has great support from his family. Tight group and they stick together. I don't know where he would be without them. I wish some of the kids playing with this stuff could meet these guys, or met in one case.

That's the first I heard about the Pancratic Cancer, and forgive me misspelling Syd. Wow was I wrong. I thought Syd was dead. I knew Gilmore came into the band as a part time replacement, and then for good. I had always heard Syd did himself in, mostly due to his mental state.

I've shared here before I have Manic Depression that's under control, but have been on disablity for it, so I feel really bad about such a mistake.

Hey, don't worry about it. I'm really big on Pink Floyd so I was following that, but this is from someone who thought Chuck Berry was dead for years and years :rolleyes:

I wallow in the self indulgent mud gravy that is "The Wall". It is misery squared. I plan on having "Is there anybody out there?" played over and over again at my funeral so everyone has as bad a day as me! Adagio for strings by the composer Barber too! A real tear fest! :smug: I also love "The show must go on" but I have read that it was excised from some of the more recent recordings? Anyway, it is not at all over rated IMO and I love the movie too. A bit too hard to compare the film and album so I just get it on with both of them when I feel miserable!:D Pure depression candy!

Who's out there rating the Wall? :confused: How can a piece of art be rated anyway? :confused: :confused:

IMO the fact that Roger Waters was self indulgent in creating the theme(s) to this album is not a bad thing. What is an artist supposed to do, detach himself emotionally from the art he is creating? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Who is over-rating it - what are they saying - where can I read this?
:confused:

I remember it coming out and being totally panned by the critics in music papers in the UK !! :hmm:

So I don't understand where this concept of it being over-rated comes from...? :confused:

Who's out there rating the Wall? :confused: How can a piece of art be rated anyway? :confused: :confused:




I've said it twice already and got no answer- as far as I am aware nobody has ever "over-rated" this?

So the premise of this thread is meaningless! :hmm:

I've said it twice already and got no answer- as far as I am aware nobody has ever "over-rated" this?

So the premise of this thread is meaningless! :hmm:
www.allmusic.com rates albums. I believe it gave the wall 4.5 out of 5. So yes, it is possible to say that it is overated by somoene who's job it is to rate things such as albums.

Personally I don't think its overrated as its very subjective - but its not fair to say that art can't be reviewed, critiqued and rated.

www.allmusic.com rates albums. I believe it gave the wall 4.5 out of 5. So yes, it is possible to say that it is overated by somoene who's job it is to rate things such as albums.

Personally I don't think its overrated as its very subjective - but its not fair to say that art can't be reviewed, critiqued and rated.

I think I see your point. It would be unfair of me to say we can't have a discussion about whether or not we like the album. I just get a little crazy when someone tries to tell me what I should like or dislike. :crying:

www.allmusic.com rates albums. I believe it gave the wall 4.5 out of 5. .

Well I've never looked at this and see no reason why I should take any notice of it...:hmm:

If the OP had said - "why is The Wall rated at 4.5 on allmusic.com? " - then I would have replied in a completely different way or probably just ignored the thread! :p

I would probably have said this a completely shallow,superficial and fallacious way to look at music... or similar!!

what's up guys. first post alright!

The Wall is an awesome album, arguably Floyd/Waters best work. the only downside is that it has some of the stanard double album cliches, such as "filler songs" which. a double album is definitely a risky move but I thought this one worked quite well, with a great concept, and amazing tour.

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The album isn't about Roger, it's about Sid, who committed suicide. Um. No. The story is semi-autobiographical, it's about a fictional character who has a lot in common with Roger. Syd never commited suicide, he died of natural causes in his old age (recently).

It's not just all-music guide. Bruce are you just playing dumb here or what? Rolling Stone, VH-1, many publications, web sites, etc., critics and listeners alike all over the world consistently rate "The Wall" as one of the "top 100 rock albums of all time" or "best albums of the 70s" or "most important rock albums" or whatever you want to say.

All art is not equivalent. It's not ridiculous or irrelevant or inappropriate to appreciate great art that stands above the crowd. There's a reason the paintings on my wall are not in the Louvre. The same reasoning assures that Ken DeFeudis and Pink Floyd aren't equivalent in music.

Um. No. The story is semi-autobiographical, it's about a fictional character who has a lot in common with Roger. Syd never commited suicide, he died of natural causes in his old age (recently).We covered that a few posts back, he died of pancreatic cancer at 60. The movie from what I read was of a Rock star going crazy in an LA hotel. The scence where Bob shaves his eyebrows and body hair is a direct reference to Syd. Roger felt for Syd a lot and did a lot of writing about him. DSOTM, Shine on you crazy diamond etc.

The Wall was genious. The recording was lacking, but not as much as some other PF works. Infact it was a step up in most regards for the band. You may not agree with the lyrics, or the ideas of being an ecotistical maniac, but it works well.

Is there such thing as overrated for a work like this that has influenced so many? Never.

It's not just all-music guide. Bruce are you just playing dumb here or what? Rolling Stone, VH-1, many publications, web sites, etc., critics and listeners alike all over the world consistently rate "The Wall" as one of the "top 100 rock albums of all time" or "best albums of the 70s" or "most important rock albums" or whatever you want to say..


Well - I am saying I've never seen this?

I can remember very well when this came out as it was totally trashed in the music press and although a Floyd fan I was put off buying it and then was embarassed when my parents bought it for me , for Christmas - I didn't dare take it back with me to college, in case my friends saw it and made fun of me...:p

It's not that I rate music or anything but as Philbiker said,

It's not just all-music guide. Bruce are you just playing dumb here or what? Rolling Stone, VH-1, many publications, web sites, etc., critics and listeners alike all over the world consistently rate"The Wall" as one of the "top 100 rock albums of all time" or "best albums of the 70s" or "most important rock albums" or whatever you want to say..

I heard it was one of the best albums ever many many times, and wondered on people's thought about it being - over rated by the people who say so, or they agree with the album being phenomenal (wow I am going fancy there)

what's up guys. first post alright!

The Wall is an awesome album, arguably Floyd/Waters best work. the only downside is that it has some of the stanard double album cliches, such as "filler songs" which. a double album is definitely a risky move but I thought this one worked quite well, with a great concept, and amazing tour.

There are no filler songs in The Wall. In fact, they had to take one out that's part of the live performance because they couldn't fit it all in.

I was at Earls Court back in 1980 and still have the program and ticket stub. I still get shivers down my spine when I hear Comfortably Numb...

I was also lucky enough to be at the Berlin performance by Roger Waters. That was awesome.

One word - DISCO.

If you like storylines (which I don't care about) it would go like this -

"I'm such a huge rock star that feels so sorry for himself, I'll write an album that milks the cash cow of disco and makes everybody else feel sorry for me too. Yes, that will make me feel better."

The Stones released a disco album, "Miss You", about the same time.

Disco STILL sucks.

One word - DISCO.

If you like storylines (which I don't care about) it would go like this -

"I'm such a huge rock star that feels so sorry for himself, I'll write an album that milks the cash cow of disco and makes everybody else feel sorry for me too. Yes, that will make me feel better."

The Stones released a disco album, "Miss You", about the same time.

Disco STILL sucks.

The Stones "Some Girls" album is one of their best and a personal favourite of mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_You

I have the original 12 inch version of the Miss You single and it is a guaranteed floor filler. The Basslines are brilliant.


Disco is debatable. Some of it is classic and has great Basslines. Some of it is sheer dreck...

Pink Floyd have only written two songs that can be used in a disco... and I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentional... Just because you can dance to Another Brick In The Wall (part II) does not make the entire album a "Disco" album. ;)

AFAICR The story about Rodger spitting on fans at a concert who wouldn't shut up is what spurred him on to do "the wall".

It is about a lot of things; his father who was killed in the war so he feels he was deprived of getting to know him because of the war, his overbearing mother who mollycoddled him, Syd who was to feature in a number of Floyd songs purely because he was such a huge part of the band in the early days and got 'lost' along the way due to too much excess and Rodger's own experiences.

even David Gilmour thinks that it is a bit of a whinge listening to it these days.

to me, it was a part of growing up, taking things that I shouldn't have to the extent that i cannot listen to anything beyond "Run Like Hell" anymore.

Modern Floyd would generally play what they thought were the best of the tracks; Comfortably Numb (my favourite track of all time by anyone), Hey You, Run Like Hell and another Brick in The Wall Part II.

It was Wright who was forced to quit during the recording of the Wall. Depending on who you listen to he either wasn't into or he was spangled all of the time so Rodger effectively told him to leave or he would destroy all of the recordings.

The Final Cut is essentially all of the crap that never made it into "The Wall" and it is hellish IMO.

At the end of the day - if someone makes a big deal of something and you disagree then it is overrated from your point of view.

I remember when "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" came out. Everyone went nuts about so I decided to go and see it. Absolute rubbish - I've never listened to the media about new releases of anything else since. I prefer to wait until all the hoo ha has calmed down and form my own judgment.

I personally like 'live at Pompeii' - one of my other favourite Floyd tracks is 'Echoes'. not the original but the version done here. remember that this was post Syd but pre-DSOTM so they were just beginning to find their feet with a new guitarist and Rodger being flung into the role of songwriter. I believe he had only wrote a couple of mediocre songs prior to Syd having to leave

Hi

It is what it is. You enjoy the music or not. Its basically them writing about their friend and founder of the band. I think its a great album. Music is memorable, lyrics are at time haunting. Props to Floyd.

Rob

actually, that was 'wish you were here'. the wall was mostly written by Roger Waters and it's pseudo-biographical.

I personally like 'live at Pompeii' - one of my other favourite Floyd tracks is 'Echoes'. not the original but the version done here. remember that this was post Syd but pre-DSOTM so they were just beginning to find their feet with a new guitarist and Rodger being flung into the role of songwriter. I believe he had only wrote a couple of mediocre songs prior to Syd having to leave"Corporal Clegg" is not his best work.......:p

from what I remember, Richard Wright was the only one who actually made money on the world tour of The Wall... the others in the group lost money, but as he'd been taken on as an employee to play on the tour he actually got paid.

miss you is also one of my favorite stones songs, they managed to take a boring type of music, and make it work, good bass lines and production as well.

I do however think the wall is over-rated. I mean, some of my favorite floyd songs are on that album (mother, comfortably numb, brick in the wall pt2) but outside of those songs, i just get bored with the whole album. Maybe it's just due to my musical tastes growing from when i first heard the album, but it's just not interesting to me like it was 4 or 5 years ago.

Maybe it's just due to my musical tastes growing from when i first heard the album, but it's just not interesting to me like it was 4 or 5 years ago.

And just think how bored you will be of it in 30 years, like the rest of us who had it around most of our lives. :hiding:





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oh i know , i already get annoyed when I hear AcDc come on the radio , just because of how overplayed they are out here, i can only imagine 30 years worth of that!

When I was 5 years old (1975), my uncle left me a huge stack of albums when he moved to another city. I grew up worshipping these records, everything from The Beatles to Led Zepplin and of couse, some PF.

Year later when i was in my early 20's, I went to to visit my uncle and we sat around talking about music. I was shocked to find that he had no interest at all in those old albums and was into competley different music. Although he still plays in a cover band for fun and still plays a lot of old tunes, he listens to a lot more current stuff.

He explained to me by saying that he listened to those albums to death by the time he passed them onto me. He has great memories of the music of his youth but doesnt want to sit around getting misty eyed for the past when there is so much great new music to get into.

I didnt agree with him at the time and still love to put on 30 old albums, but there was some real truth to his opinion. The Wall is a great album but I have absolutely no desire to ever listen to half the songs on it as I have listened to them so many times.

With all the "Classic Rock" radio stations that have been playing the exact same play list for the past 20 years, we can all likely do without many great tunes ever agin as they have been played to death.

Of course for many new fans of music, this stuff is all brand new and damm, I would love to be discovering it all for myself again!!!

I really tried to like it, but it just does nothing for me. It doesn't sounds good to me, and doesn't connect with me on any emotional level either.

But I like DSotM...

There are a lot of PF albums I like more than "The Wall". I find it rambling and self-indulgent / self-pitying. Largely autobiographical, like Roger Waters Yelling "aww poor me!! My life as a rock star is soooo bad, look mow much of an asshole I am." for 80 minutes. I listened it in it's entirety for the first time in about 10 years recently and it was better than I remember as a whole. But I still prefer "Animals". "Wish You Were Here", "The Final Cut", and "Dark Side" over it by a big margin.

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