Also has TONS of ethnic stuff. Only some of this is useful for guitars (unless you own a 24t axe :eek:) since once it goes past 12 tones all the notation is in quartertones instead of semitones.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/doc/modename.html

And for anyone who's into eastern music there's a ton of indian ragas in there (which I am fascinated with).

That's a pretty cool list. You're right about the scales that use a temperment system other than 12 tones, it gets into micro-tones. A lot of them are much smaller than quarter tones, however.

FWIW, if you are really in to all those scales a lot of synthesizers can deal with temperments that are required. The old E-mu Proteus I rack synths have Pelog and Selendro settings and you can program them for quarter tones also. Many of the new 'soft synth' programs have all kinds of octave divisions. 19 tones per octaves is especially popular.

Does anyone have any documentation on what scales and temperments Michael Manring is using?

I don't have any syth's to try out the 'other temperments' on. But I'm experimenting with a huge part of the twelve tone tone temperment scales. (many of which I have not seen anywhere else, since the list is so ungodly large)

That's awesome! Thanks for the link. I realized long ago that theoretically there must be dozens of 12 tone modes, but I had no idea that there were so many that actually had names.

how do i read this?

:( sucks how that list is practically useless to me because I know almost no theory. if at all possible, could someone help us (people that don't know much theory) out? thank you

OK. Quick lesson.

Only the 12 tone scales will really be of use to us. The numbers listed are the number of tones between the octaves of the scale. In Western theory we use 12 tones, and one of these tones is known as a half-step, and corresponds to one fret on your bass.

The first 12-tone scale, Honchoshi, is notated "5 7". Let's just play this on the E string. Start with open E, go up 5 frets to A (5 half-steps, or a perfect fourth), then go up 7 more frets to the 12th fret. Hey! We're at E again already! A two note scale with just the perfect fourth? No major, no minor... no fifth!? Those Japanese... :ninja:

Some of these "scales" correspond to chord tones and are identical to what we would call arpeggios. The "Raga Malasri, Peruvian tritonic 1" scale, for instance is just the major 3rd and the perfect 5th, a simple major chord arpeggio.

OK. Quick lesson.

Only the 12 tone scales will really be of use to us. The numbers listed are the number of tones between the octaves of the scale. In Western theory we use 12 tones, and one of these tones is known as a half-step, and corresponds to one fret on your bass.

The first 12-tone scale, Honchoshi, is notated "5 7". Let's just play this on the E string. Start with open E, go up 5 frets to A (5 half-steps, or a perfect fourth), then go up 7 more frets to the 12th fret. Hey! We're at E again already! A two note scale with just the perfect fourth? No major, no minor... no fifth!? Those Japanese... :ninja:

Some of these "scales" correspond to chord tones and are identical to what we would call arpeggios. The "Raga Malasri, Peruvian tritonic 1" scale, for instance is just the major 3rd and the perfect 5th, a simple major chord arpeggio.

hmm.. I think I'll just have my friend teach me some theory before I get into all of this. I kind of get what you're saying, but not completely, and I know theory isn't something that can be explained easily :smug:, so I won't take up your time by asking you to explain more of it.

Thanks though. I'll keep what you said in mind and attempt to learn it myself until I ask my friend about theory in general and about this stuff. :D

If you have any specific questions just ask. I'm not a teacher, so I may not explain clearly enough. Maybe someone else will chime in.

Very cool! I was a bit confused by the numbers at first, but i appreciate the explanation.

So why wasnt that the first on the list???
Twelve-tone Chromatic: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
lol so simple, just add the numbers to your current fret!

I'll definately dabble with this after work, but i gotta ask... have any of you played with the software the link refers to?
http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/
Some of those screenshots look scary!:D
peace

Scala looks pretty awesome. Written in Ada, gui, cross-platform, a labor of love.

I'll ignore the asshat politics at the bottom of the page. :rolleyes: