A friend of mine (guitarist) came to a rehearsal, and we discussed a while about effects and all that stuff.

He said "It's pointless to have a tube-driven pedal (like the Muff'n) if you're putting a FET one after it".

I thought that was such a retarded statement, but it has given me enough GAS to start thinking about getting a pedalboard in which every pedal is tube-driven...

So I'm asking you:

If my pedalboard should consist of:

Overdrive
Chorus
Phaser
Booster

And a few other things just to play around...


Is it possible to do what this wise man says, or otherwise, everyone who has a tube-driven pedal in its pedalboard is stupid?

A friend of mine (guitarist) came to a rehearsal, and we discussed a while about effects and all that stuff.

He said "It's pointless to have a tube-driven pedal (like the Muff'n) if you're putting a FET one after it".

I thought that was such a retarded statement, but it has given me enough GAS to start thinking about getting a pedalboard in which every pedal is tube-driven...

So I'm asking you:

If my pedalboard should consist of:

Overdrive
Chorus
Phaser
Booster

And a few other things just to play around...


Is it possible to do what this wise man says, or otherwise, everyone who has a tube-driven pedal in its pedalboard is stupid?

Hello, I can give u some suggestions for pedals but I don't think that it's pointless to have a tube-driven pedal if you're putting a FET one after it.

BUDDA phat-bass (od) and SIB! fat-drive(boost/preamp) are really GAS gears for ur bass. And u can try the EHX tube EQ for some boost or tone-shaping though EHX isn't a GAS brand.

And about chorus and phaser......Sorry i can't help u......Maybe u can ask to some custom effect shop...

there was a sweet tube phaser i saw in a post once... might find it searching

Your friend is clearly guitarded. Different devices effect the signal in different ways. The flavor a tube OD pedal (i.e. English Muff'n) puts on your tone is not lost when using another pedal after it - tube or not.

Your friend is clearly guitarded. Different devices effect the signal in different ways. The flavor a tube OD pedal (i.e. English Muff'n) puts on your tone is not lost when using another pedal after it - tube or not.

+1

It's also important to note that effects before tube-loaded ones are also affected, but in a different way than if they were after the tube-loaded pedal.

But either way... using a non-tube pedal doesn't make the tube pedal useless. Clearly, your guitarist doesn't know what goes into a modern tube amp, much less, how effects work in general.

Think of all the guitarists that use a solid state overdrive or distortion into a tube amp...

If it sounds good it is good.

If it sounds good it is good.

*DING* Winner!

When it comes right down to it, nothing else really matters.

*DING* Winner!

When it comes right down to it, nothing else really matters.

It should also be noted that just because something has a tube or tubes in it doesn't necessarily make it better or even more tubey sounding than a good solid state design. I heard some pretty mediocre tube driven pedals.

It should also be noted that just because something has a tube or tubes in it doesn't necessarily make it better or even more tubey sounding than a good solid state design. I heard some pretty mediocre tube driven pedals.

Agreed. Refer to the second line of Tristan's post :)

It's still an interesting idea, however...I don't think I've ever seen someone with an all-tube board.

Agreed. Refer to the second line of Tristan's post :)

I was reinforcing that sentiment.

It's still an interesting idea, however...I don't think I've ever seen someone with an all-tube board.

It would be heavy. And expensive.

He's the kind of guy who plugs a Strat into a Fender amp, not because it sounds good (even if I find that kind of sound quite boring, it DOES sound good), but because "you don't need anything more, everything else is useless, and anyone who has got anything more is because he doesn't know how to play guitar".

Quite sad. Anyway, the all-tube board must be great.

Or a all Expression tube-driven pedals!!!

He's the kind of guy who plugs a Strat into a Fender amp, not because it sounds good (even if I find that kind of sound quite boring, it DOES sound good), but because "you don't need anything more, everything else is useless, and anyone who has got anything more is because he doesn't know how to play guitar".

Hmmm...most guitar players I know think that they're the ONLY ones allowed to use effects. I've heard a LOT of really good guitar players who use effects. Your guitarded friend must really be amazing - according to his statement, he's better than ALL of them.

*DING* Winner!

When it comes right down to it, nothing else really matters.

+1

Hmmm...most guitar players I know think that they're the ONLY ones allowed to use effects. I've heard a LOT of really good guitar players who use effects. Your guitarded friend must really be amazing - according to his statement, he's better than ALL of them.


He sure thinks he is :ninja:

He sure thinks he is :ninja:

I hope he's using his amazing talents to sell millions of records and make lots and lots of money. ;)

:D No he isn't.



The world isn't prepared for him.

:D No he isn't.



The world isn't prepared for him.

Yeah. That MUST be it. :rollno:

He does it the hard way, he has got 6 strings!

Here you go.

http://www.puretube.com/

when your geektarist friend made that unfounded statement, why didn't you challenge him?

unlesss you're running completely independent of FOH system, SOMEWHERE tube will meet solid-state...
tube colours sound...clean solid-state doesn't....

therefore tube + solid-state = tube sound...period

in fact, if you go tube-to-tube-to-tube-to... enough, you'll end up with overly-phase-shifted, overly-harmonically-distorted, overly-over-driven, MUD!

(some geektarist's "dream" tone, unfortunately) :rollno:

someone has to try it, just to see if it works... and then report back :D

If my pedalboard should consist of:

Overdrive;Chorus;Phaser;Booster

And a few other things just to play around...
Well, I never heard of any tube-based alternative to BBD chips and I don't think it would be easy to build a tube circuit around those chips, so analog falngers, chori and delays are rather not possible.

Probably the closest you can come is the DamageControl TimeLine, where the digital dealy circuit has it's input and output buffered by tubes. It's still digital though.

While other pedals should do-able. There is a nice phaser here: http://www.effectrode.com/website/phaseomatic/pm_main.htm. There is lots of tube boosters and distortions. I've also seen tube compressors, blenders, vibes and wah's (not in current production though).

So if it's one's desire, why not! :)

Cheers,
John

Here you go.

http://www.puretube.com/

cool! but it hasnt been updated since 2004! Looks like they are behind the EHX TubeZipper

cool! but it hasnt been updated since 2004! Looks like they are behind the EHX TubeZipper

Yeah, this guy designed all the tube EHX effects, or, really, EHX bought all of his designs. So, the tube EQ, Hot Tubes, possibly English Muff'n, Wiggler, and Worm (which doesn't have tubes). He posts regularly on the DIY stompboxes forum, so he's still around. I bet he'd make you a tube pedalboard.

There's also Pete Cornish if money is oozing out of your pores.

Yeah, this guy designed all the tube EHX effects, or, really, EHX bought all of his designs. So, the tube EQ, Hot Tubes, possibly English Muff'n, Wiggler, and Worm (which doesn't have tubes). He posts regularly on the DIY stompboxes forum, so he's still around. I bet he'd make you a tube pedalboard.

There's also Pete Cornish if money is oozing out of your pores.

hello, i have one quesition. is the ehx tube eq's design based on the tube-handdock-color?