I'm not sure if this has been posted yet

but I just found it and I was pretty impressed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-dwQOFEjUw&mode=related&search=

Not that he's spectactular. But it was just weird seeing him on one.

He should play the bassline to 7 nation army =P

He played bass on the song "Go It Alone" on Beck's album Guero, pretty cool stuff too.

I really like the White Stripes. Jack's a talented guy.

What effect is he using? I can barely make out the difference in the notes he's playing. :confused: :help:

He should play the bassline to 7 nation army =P
He does.

I really like the White Stripes. Jack's a talented guy.

Funny thing is here in Detroit, they were kind of a joke, most just laughed at them.
Now I guess who's laughing!!!

Personally, I never liked them, then or now.
Meg is a hack, and Jack IMO isn't much better.
But they do what they do.

Atrocious. I didn't think it would be any other way.

i heard they are a lot bigger over here than in their native homeland.

been a fan of jack white since 97' never ceases to amazefeb 06' guiutar world him and jimmy page givin each other props... so talented..

The White Stripes are midline big in America, but their last album didn't have any hits here, so if they don't get a hit this time, they probably won't be very big in America anymore.

I do like the quirkieness of their music, but Meg is undeserving of drumming on any stage (cute as she is). Hack is an understatement.

You know, I just can't help but like them despite their being put up on a holy pedestal by the Self-Proclaimed Arbiters of Hip such as Rolling Stone magazine and the like.

Plus, Meg is cute.

I've always liked the White Stripes. Jack's got the rock'n'roll spirit, which can't be taught. I've seen them live a couple of times, and Meg holds her own. Definetly not the best, and probably just barely adequate, but it seems to work for them.

she's a hack because of simplistic drumming? :hmm:

how does that even make sense?

jealousy, i think.

I can't stand their music.

Plus Meg such an overrated and horrible drummer.

She has nice Tom-Toms.

I love this new album. It's going on my MP3 player. I think it's as good as Elephant. I don't give a crap if Meg's a lousy drummer or not. I'm all about Jack White. The guy's a genius. I really don't get how people don't see it. He sings great (he could stand to do second takes once in a while, though) and he plays guitar great. Plays a decent bass and keyboard, too.

she's a hack because of simplistic drumming?

how does that even make sense?

jealousy, i think.

You need to go back and listen to her playing....
It's not the "simplistic drumming"
She can barely play the drums at all. She's about as terrible as a 5th grader in thier first year of music class.

No, not even close to jealousy.

I think the White Stripes are cool. Being a rock star is not about chops alone or even primarily. If that were the case, all the musicians playing hotel lounges and weddings would be stars since they definitely have skills. Good rock stars have a sound are style that sets them apart, and that the White Stripes certainly have.

You need to go back and listen to her playing....
It's not the "simplistic drumming"
She can barely play the drums at all. She's about as terrible as a 5th grader in thier first year of music class.

how is she a hack?

sounds to me like you're jealous of her success. you should deal with your problems.

how is she a hack?

sounds to me like you're jealous of her success. you should deal with your problems.


Jack writes really catchy interesting tunes that only require a little bit over a boom tap, but that said.....

She really is a clunky sounding drummer even on the basic beats she plays. It's painfully obvious that she is very unskilled as a drummer. I would say she is a bit of a hack, not because she plays basic beats, but because it sounds like she's struggleing with them.

Plenty of really good drummers play very basic beats but can nail the hell out of them.

I think that jack plays with her because as long as she just sticks to treading water it actually gives them a distinct sound. It gives them the energy of your local clunky garage band, but playing catchy originals you can't get out of your head.

She's a hack because for the first half of her career thus far, she couldn't play in time. They use to be super super sloppy live because Meg couldn't play in time. She'd attempt fills and end on the wrong beat, screw the tempo up, everything that makes drums bad, she'd do it. Simple beats can sound good if played with confidence: AC/DC is the best example. The drums are as simple as it gets, but they are rock solid. Meg still sounds like she could fall apart at any minute.

She seems now to have gained some sense of timing, now she's just a really simple drummer. But a while back, I couldn't stand live clips of them, a trainwreck everytime... I don't know why Jack put up with it. I believe he is very talented as a songwriter and a rhythm guitarist.

What effect is he using? I can barely make out the difference in the notes he's playing. :confused: :help:



Sounds like a Big Muff, everything cranked. They can sound awesome on a bass, but not with that EQ setting. He had two distortions I noticed, the other one just made the already muddy signal sound like noise. In a situation where the bass is the only string instrument, it definatly should have more presence than he was kicking.

Yeah, I think her being unskilled is part of their calling card. The point being to show that it's very possible to make some pretty cool rock music without having "skills".

Funny thing is here in Detroit, they were kind of a joke, most just laughed at them.
Now I guess who's laughing!!!

Personally, I never liked them, then or now.
Meg is a hack, and Jack IMO isn't much better.
But they do what they do.

If I saw something like that in a local bar, I wouldn't be able to get to the door fast enough. The fact that he left Detroit is a point for the musical taste of Detroiters. Terrible stuff.

I think the White Stripes are cool. Being a rock star is not about chops alone or even primarily. If that were the case, all the musicians playing hotel lounges and weddings would be stars since they definitely have skills. Good rock stars have a sound are style that sets them apart, and that the White Stripes certainly have.

Well that certainly explains Brittany Spears' past popularity.:D

Unfortunately, it also explains the lack of talent making up most of the popular music these days.:scowl:

The White Stripes are as much about aesthetics and attitude as they are about genre blending and songwriting. Anyone taking a swipe at Meg for lack of technical prowess seems (to me) to be missing the point. Almost entirely.

Well that certainly explains Brittany Spears' past popularity.:D

Unfortunately, it also explains the lack of talent making up most of the popular music these days.:scowl:

You can't really compare the two. Brittney was purely a creation of the record companies and producers, who wanted a pretty face for their generic pop music. Happens all the time.

The White Stripes are the exact opposite. This is Jack's vision all the way. Really, this comes down to the difference between musical chops and musical vision. There are plenty of musicians who are techincally brilliant, but their compositions are just boring, lacking in originality and passion. Jack is modestly talented playing guitar and singing, but writes great songs, and (of the two shows I've seen) puts on a great live act. Meg's simple drum parts are all part of the picture.

Meg's skills aside, it would've been pretty shady for Jack to kick her to the curb once they hit it big. While she's not a great drummer, I don't think she's terrible.

As far as what effect he's using in that clip, it does sound kinda like a Big Muff, but it could also just be a bass being put through a tube guitar amp. I could see two of what looked like guitar amps, but I didn't see a bass rig on stage (though the way it was shot it was hard to see everything that was n stage with them). The Dirtbombs (another cool Detroit band) have a bassist and a fuzz bass, with the fuzz bass running through a small Fender tube guitar amp, which yields a similar sound.

yeah this is about free spirited rock and roll not about chops. they've got a lot of great songs and plenty of stinkers but i don't see any reason to dog on em. i can find a million other bands that suck 100 times harder.

how is she a hack?

sounds to me like you're jealous of her success. you should deal with your problems.

Sounds to me that you have no clue what a decent musician is.


She is a joke.

Jack on the other hand, I have no issues with. However, I found that the Raconteurs showcased his skills better due to him not being dragged down by an amateur.

I'm not a fan of the White Stripes by any means, but to call the drummer untalented and a hack is unfair. Many of you are probably too young to remember most of the Punk bands from the '70s, but a lot of those guys couldn't play their instruments when they started out and they eventually did pretty well for themselves and their record companies. Sid Vicious never learned to play the bass, yet he recorded with the Sex Pistols. Punk was all about attitude and making a statement and less about the music. I suspect the White Stripes are similar.

you should deal with your problems.

Hey pal, I don't have any problems, I'm quite fine and laughing at you thinking I'm jealous. The other replys in this thread need to be read please. And you obviously missed the part where I said I like their music.

What's with all these trolls lately popping off on people telling them what to do? And these trolls don't have the nerve to fill out their profiles, or even turn up at GTG's to show who they really are?

-Mike

Sounds to me that you have no clue what a decent musician is.


She is a joke.

Jack on the other hand, I have no issues with. However, I found that the Raconteurs showcased his skills better due to him not being dragged down by an amateur.

********. you're a joke. she's not. she rocks out and she has fame and money for doing it.

You can't really compare the two. Brittney was purely a creation of the record companies and producers, who wanted a pretty face for their generic pop music. Happens all the time.

The White Stripes are the exact opposite. This is Jack's vision all the way. Really, this comes down to the difference between musical chops and musical vision. There are plenty of musicians who are techincally brilliant, but their compositions are just boring, lacking in originality and passion. Jack is modestly talented playing guitar and singing, but writes great songs, and (of the two shows I've seen) puts on a great live act. Meg's simple drum parts are all part of the picture.

You voiced my thoughts much more clearly. If chops made a star, music departments would turn them out every year. A few years ago, I remember talking to a composition professor and the Beatles came up, he saw them as a simple group with nothing to offer. Clearly, if their compositions were measured only in terms of musical complexity, they would not have been great, if they are judged on vision, style, and impact, well, they are the Beatles!:D

Great song, though Jack is starting to look too close to Michael Jackson for comfort.

Meg's never going to be giving clinics at Guitar Center, but her playing's fine for the material.

********. you're a joke. she's not. she rocks out and she has fame and money for doing it.

Out of curiosity how old are you mate?

Because you like her physically doesn't take away the fact that she is actually an atrocious drummer. I think you have to get a grip mate!

Money and fame are just the benchmark of fake rock stars just look at Sid Vicious, she is in the same league.

The fact is that she is in that band for aesthetics, simply put. In other hand I used to have a terrible impression on Jack and after seeing him playing with the Raconteurs I changed my mind, he is a very good guitarist.

Peace

Meg is a hack, and Jack IMO isn't much better.


Yeah, but don't LOVE the way she bounces. :ninja:

I heard a radio interview where Jack said he loved
eg's drumming because she sounds like a child. He even said he discourged her practcing so she would keep that feel.

You can't really compare the two. Brittney was purely a creation of the record companies and producers, who wanted a pretty face for their generic pop music. Happens all the time.

The White Stripes are the exact opposite. This is Jack's vision all the way. Really, this comes down to the difference between musical chops and musical vision. There are plenty of musicians who are techincally brilliant, but their compositions are just boring, lacking in originality and passion. Jack is modestly talented playing guitar and singing, but writes great songs, and (of the two shows I've seen) puts on a great live act. Meg's simple drum parts are all part of the picture.

So Brittany wasn't the best example. Linkin Park is the perfect example of no talent but selling tons of cd's and getting major airplay.

This thread was doomed from the beginning. Talking about anything White Stripes on a bass forum never ends up being civil.

I love this new album. It's going on my MP3 player. I think it's as good as Elephant. I don't give a crap if Meg's a lousy drummer or not. I'm all about Jack White. The guy's a genius.

WHAT?!? no no he is now, john entwistle was a genius, jaco was a genius, JPJ was a genius, hell even bootsy was a genius. But jack white was never and never shall be worthy of the title genius

WHAT?!? no no he is now, john entwistle was a genius, jaco was a genius, JPJ was a genius, hell even bootsy was a genius. But jack white was never and never shall be worthy of the title genius

Its posts like these that make my point valid.

Had either one of these posters used the words 'My Opinion' somewhere in their posts everything would probably simmer down a few degrees.

WHAT?!? no no he is now, john entwistle was a genius, jaco was a genius, JPJ was a genius, hell even bootsy was a genius. But jack white was never and never shall be worthy of the title genius

Why is every "genius" you can name a bassist? There is more to the world, even within the confines of popular music.

I love this latest clip of them on Conan...

Jack has the audience in the palm of his hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK1IwHPX8Cc

WHAT?!? no no he is now, john entwistle was a genius, jaco was a genius, JPJ was a genius, hell even bootsy was a genius. But jack white was never and never shall be worthy of the title genius

yeah guitarists suck.

Where does he get that stuff?
I'll bet he makes it up.

Money or success has nothing to do with musical ability I'd rather play like John Patitucci than play like Pete Wenz even with his fame and money ... So all those posts saying stuff like "Say all you want but _____ is more succesful than you" really serve no point in a Musicians forum.

That being said the only White stripes song I like is "I can tell that we are going to be friends" surprisingly it has no drums.

WHAT?!? no no he is now, john entwistle was a genius, jaco was a genius, JPJ was a genius, hell even bootsy was a genius. But jack white was never and never shall be worthy of the title genius
You are 100% wrong. Anyone who could take a sloppy drummer and an old Airline guitar and make hit records, become a millionaire rock star, and hook up with Renee Zellweiger is a genius even before you take his musicianship skills into consideration.

BTW, I feel no need to put up a big sign that says "WARNING: This is only opinion" on my posts. If you can't tell an opinion from a statement of fact without a disclaimer, sorry.

LOL...I just punched this thread up, and guess what there was an ad for under it? That's right, the White Stripes new album!

You are 100% wrong. Anyone who could take a sloppy drummer and an old Airline guitar and make hit records, become a millionaire rock star, and hook up with Renee Zellweiger is a genius even before you take his musicianship skills into consideration.

BTW, I feel no need to put up a big sign that says "WARNING: This is only opinion" on my posts. If you can't tell an opinion from a statement of fact without a disclaimer, sorry.

Well, I guess if having good marketing people selling your CD's and making sure your face in on the cover of every magazine makes you a musical genius.....................

C'Mon, VERY rarely these days, VERY, does a band get big like that because they are "good" (the WS do not fall into this catagory).
It's marketing. Plain and simple.
The machine get ahold of it and figures out how much money can be generated and it runs from there.

The life cycle for a band is less than 5 years.
From the time you see them in main stream- until they are trying to play the local 200 seater.
5 years- and this isn't a number I made up, it's the way it is.
Take just about any band from TRL/MTV 5 years ago and see wher they are now.

Well that certainly explains Brittany Spears' past popularity.:D

Unfortunately, it also explains the lack of talent making up most of the popular music these days.:scowl:

These days :rollno: when did it ever -

Or better said - when did the majority of musicians in the pop music limelight have more technical prowess than "it factor?"

The 60s? when everybody and their brother started a garage rock band - when people were playing their instruments in new and "exciting ways?"

The 70s? - OK maybe during the 70s because so many genres of music matured. - but that didn't stop one of the least technical genres ever - Punk music - from taking the stage in Pop.

Blame what you want. But popular music has ALWAYS been about the artists ability to relate to the listener on a massive scale. All of us might not like it - but the majority of us does.

I dig the White Stripes (and I'm a huge fan of Jack's production ethic) because it is an anomaly - the band should not be famous - but it is - and God Bless all of us for it.

And make no mistake - the White Stripes are a blues band.

The blues ain't never gonna die.

Well, I guess if having good marketing people selling your CD's and making sure your face in on the cover of every magazine makes you a musical genius.....................

C'Mon, VERY rarely these days, VERY, does a band get big like that because they are "good" (the WS do not fall into this catagory).
It's marketing. Plain and simple.
The machine get ahold of it and figures out how much money can be generated and it runs from there.

The life cycle for a band is less than 5 years.
From the time you see them in main stream- until they are trying to play the local 200 seater.
5 years- and this isn't a number I made up, it's the way it is.
Take just about any band from TRL/MTV 5 years ago and see wher they are now.


Well - to use a previously mentioned band - Linkin Park release Hybrid Theory nearly 10 years ago - and they do not show any signs of slowing - if anything they are getting even more popular with their most recent album - which scares me.


YES YES YES - marketing makes the music world go 'round.

There is a great line in a biography about Def Jam - When LL went platinum (Def Jams first platinum artist) the entire company gave itself a pat on the back because "it takes an entire company to sell a million albums" - not one person or group.

I personally used to hate the White Stripes - but they grew on me and then I fannly got the point. That this is music from inside someone's head - and it ain't perfect. But if it can still strike a chord with me - perhaps it can get some kid to pickup a guitar or a girl to play the drums - THAT'S what is important to me. Having popular artists out there that you can idolize yet still say to yourself "i could do that too!"

Hey with the blues and motown coming back in a big way - we should be in for a good lot of music in teh next decade - but of course one person's ear candy is another's garbage.

That's life.


Oh and MB - name me one artist that got big EVER - as an independent - And that's not even with an independent label or managament. Name just one that got onto MTV - into stadiums and sold hundreds of thousands of albums - on their own? I ask because by saying "these days" implies that there used to be a time that artists could make it on their own - which IMO is simply not true. It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" the music is - it all needs to be marketed to get big. That's right even someone with chops like Jaco - could not get big - at ANY time in the music industry - without major support from a music marketing machine.

Sounds to me that you have no clue what a decent musician is.


She is a joke.

Jack on the other hand, I have no issues with. However, I found that the Raconteurs showcased his skills better due to him not being dragged down by an amateur.

I was very, very surprised (and pleased) at how good the Raconteurs are. They get the Lurker's seal of approval.

I personally used to hate the White Stripes - but they grew on me and then I fannly got the point. That this is music from inside someone's head - and it ain't perfect. But if it can still strike a chord with me - perhaps it can get some kid to pickup a guitar or a girl to play the drums - THAT'S what is important to me. Having popular artists out there that you can idolize yet still say to yourself "i could do that too!"

Hey with the blues and motown coming back in a big way - we should be in for a good lot of music in teh next decade - but of course one person's ear candy is another's garbage.



Well put!! I've always prefered music that wasn't too polished, that comes from a particular point of view, and that let's the artists personality come through.

I was very, very surprised (and pleased) at how good the Raconteurs are. They get the Lurker's seal of approval.

I like the Raconteurs, but I was glad they took a break so Brendan Benson could get back to solo work. He's a much more talented a songwriter, singer, and musician than Jack, imo.

Well, I guess if having good marketing people selling your CD's and making sure your face in on the cover of every magazine makes you a musical genius.....................

You added the qualifier "musical" in front of genius, JimmyM said he's a genius before you even talk his musicianship into account. That's a valid opinion, and there is such a thing as a genius without the word musical in front of it.

I think he's a musical genius, too. If you listen to old blues records from the beginning of the century and think they suck because they're not produced well or have some sloppiness to them, then I can't expect you folks who don't like the WS to get it.

I think he's a musical genius, too. If you listen to old blues records from the beginning of the century and think they suck because they're not produced well or have some sloppiness to them, then I can't expect you folks who don't like the WS to get it.

Fair enough. I'm on your side, buddy (I don't like Jack White that much, but I see where you're coming from). He said that good marketing doesn't make you a musical genius when you never said it does, you said that he would qualify as a genius even if he was lousy at music because of his achievements. I personally don't think landing Zellweger is much to be proud of, but that's just me.

I think he's a musical genius, too. If you listen to old blues records from the beginning of the century and think they suck because they're not produced well or have some sloppiness to them, then I can't expect you folks who don't like the WS to get it.

You me from way back in 2001? :D


Two words

Chess Records.


That is all.

DOH! Sorry, I still write 1907 on my checks.

These days :rollno: when did it ever -

Or better said - when did the majority of musicians in the pop music limelight have more technical prowess than "it factor?"

The 60s? when everybody and their brother started a garage rock band - when people were playing their instruments in new and "exciting ways?"

The 70s? - OK maybe during the 70s because so many genres of music matured. - but that didn't stop one of the least technical genres ever - Punk music - from taking the stage in Pop.

Blame what you want. But popular music has ALWAYS been about the artists ability to relate to the listener on a massive scale. All of us might not like it - but the majority of us does.

I dig the White Stripes (and I'm a huge fan of Jack's production ethic) because it is an anomaly - the band should not be famous - but it is - and God Bless all of us for it.

And make no mistake - the White Stripes are a blues band.

The blues ain't never gonna die.

I think there was a time where "technical prowess" was at least equal to "it factor." Hendrix, Cream, Zeppelin, The Who, Yardbirds were all highly popular acts that also cared about musicianship. What about RnB/soul? The bands on those records had some of the best musicians in pop music history on them.

As far as Meg's ability, I don't mind simple drumming, but she plays with no conviction.

Phil Rudd, Steve Jordan, Al Jackson > Meg White

[QUOTE=Christopher;4349273]Great song, though Jack is starting to look too close to Michael Jackson for comfort.

hahahhahahahha. i thought the same.

Oh and MB - name me one artist that got big EVER - as an independent - And that's not even with an independent label or managament. Name just one that got onto MTV - into stadiums and sold hundreds of thousands of albums - on their own? I ask because by saying "these days" implies that there used to be a time that artists could make it on their own - which IMO is simply not true. It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" the music is - it all needs to be marketed to get big. That's right even someone with chops like Jaco - could not get big - at ANY time in the music industry - without major support from a music marketing machine.


Thanks, you proved my point.....
I don't have to name any, because there isn't.

Well, 5 for Fighting made good because the number one radio programmer in North America- get this, his GIRLFRIEND liked them so he tossed them on a "few hundred" stations.
Now, they're good IMO, but.........

Actually there is one independent, Ani DeFranco. Cover of Rolling Stone. Sells out 15,000+ seat venues. Sells tons of records and makes more off of each one sold than almost everyone except Michael Jackson and Prince (she was like in the top 5 per CD sold at one time- dunno where she is anymore though).

Thanks, you proved my point.....
I don't have to name any, because there isn't.

Well, 5 for Fighting made good because the number one radio programmer in North America- get this, his GIRLFRIEND liked them so he tossed them on a "few hundred" stations.
Now, they're good IMO, but.........

Actually there is one independent, Ani DeFranco. Cover of Rolling Stone. Sells out 15,000+ seat venues. Sells tons of records and makes more off of each one sold than almost everyone except Michael Jackson and Prince (she was like in the top 5 per CD sold at one time- dunno where she is anymore though).


Funny thing about Ani - is she marketed (maybe "anti-marketed" is a better word) herself as being the "other" like many try to - but she was able to pull it off - enough to take care of herself - and inspire others. Her label is still small as is most of her operation compared with larger labels and marketing machines.

I think the big point here and to go back to the OP - is that sometimes iconic figures come around the music industry - whether they or we like it or not - and they get worshipped for their ideas and effect on a system.
Music industries thrive on these people - to sell sell sell - either directly or indirectly.

I think, whether he likes it or not, Jack White is currently one of these figures.

If he lives to see the day - I can see myself going to see a jack white club date when he's 50-something just to hear how the sounds in his head have changed.

I would have done the same for Kurt Cobain.



By the way - I really didn't dig the way he played bass on that video (this is coming from a guy that played guitar long before he picked up the bass) - but it's not my opinion that matters - it's that he made it work in a live situation - attempting to try something different.
I have to respect that.

Funny thing about Ani - is she marketed (maybe "anti-marketed" is a better word) herself as being the "other" like many try to - but she was able to pull it off - enough to take care of herself - and inspire others. Her label is still small as is most of her operation compared with larger labels and marketing machines.

I think the big point here and to go back to the OP - is that sometimes iconic figures come around the music industry - whether they or we like it or not - and they get worshipped for their ideas and effect on a system.
Music industries thrive on these people - to sell sell sell - either directly or indirectly.

I think, whether he likes it or not, Jack White is currently one of these figures.

If he lives to see the day - I can see myself going to see a jack white club date when he's 50-something just to hear how the sounds in his head have changed.

I would have done the same for Kurt Cobain.



By the way - I really didn't dig the way he played bass on that video (this is coming from a guy that played guitar long before he picked up the bass) - but it's not my opinion that matters - it's that he made it work in a live situation - attempting to try something different.
I have to respect that.

Lemme clear my point a bit.

It's really beyond if I like him (and others) or not to a great degree.
But these days to raise someone to iconic status ala' Robert Johnson or the like (pointing to the blues comment made) and call him a genius, well, 50 years from now lets see where he's at.
Or 10 and he's on "Where Are They Now".

That's the problem. Out of the gate with a massive record and uber marketing, and all of a sudden he's a icon.

Time will tell....

If he isn't a genius how does he get a thread in a bass forum that's four pages and growing. Brilliant, I say, bloody brilliant.

He ain't no Sparky, but he's got a fuzz.

OP, you're not one of Jack's marketers are you?

I would be surprised if Jack White doesn't have a career as long as he wants to do it. The guy already has a pretty good production track record, acted in a huge movie and did a pretty decent job, and his guitar playing seems to be well liked by people in the industry.

Lemme clear my point a bit.

It's really beyond if I like him (and others) or not to a great degree.
But these days to raise someone to iconic status ala' Robert Johnson or the like (pointing to the blues comment made) and call him a genius, well, 50 years from now lets see where he's at.
Or 10 and he's on "Where Are They Now".

That's the problem. Out of the gate with a massive record and uber marketing, and all of a sudden he's a icon.

Time will tell....

Well the white strips are at 10 years and still going strong. I can see them having a very long career.

lowsound

I like the White Stripes.As some have said they're "sloppy",for lack of a better word, sound is why I and many others like them.They are different to the over produced masses of band.Jack is a great songwriter and quite an original guitarist.I think he's a bit of a visionary and a very intelligent man.That said I like The Raconteurs more!

Here are a few questions for the haters:

Does anyone out there think that the engineers couldn't have quantized Meg's performance on the CD? Or programmed it? Or had a studio drummer track it? Of course. The real question is why didn't they? Maybe it's because Meg gives a performance that works for the song, for the band.

I play in a cover band and we had to drop the White Stripes from our set because our drummer couldn't cop the feel. When we played it sounded too tight. It actually sounded bad when played (technically) better than recorded.

Context is kinda interesting...

This whole thing is kinda moot. If you don't like the White Stripes, don't buy their records and don't go see them play live. If you do, buy their records and go see them any chance you get. They're not hard to avoid if you're not a fan.

Here are a few questions for the haters:

Does anyone out there think that the engineers couldn't have quantized Meg's performance on the CD? Or programmed it? Or had a studio drummer track it? Of course. The real question is why didn't they? Maybe it's because Meg gives a performance that works for the song, for the band.
The White Stripes were fortunate enough to have some success on their own before Warner Bros got involved, so Jack was given much more leverage to do what he wants than your average band of beginners.

she always has issues with the beat (not that i could do better but thats why i don't play drums) but some of their songs are still good even moderately great at times

Jack is a great songwriter and quite an original guitarist.I think he's a bit of a visionary and a very intelligent man.

First time I heard him I thought he was ripping off John Spencer Blues Explosion.

First time I heard him, I thought he was influenced heavily by this band Flat Duo Jets that didn't have a bassist. I was right, and you were right about Jon Spencer as well.

Funny thing about Ani - is she marketed (maybe "anti-marketed" is a better word) herself as being the "other" like many try to - but she was able to pull it off - enough to take care of herself - and inspire others. Her label is still small as is most of her operation compared with larger labels and marketing machines.

I think the big point here and to go back to the OP - is that sometimes iconic figures come around the music industry - whether they or we like it or not - and they get worshipped for their ideas and effect on a system.
Music industries thrive on these people - to sell sell sell - either directly or indirectly.

I think, whether he likes it or not, Jack White is currently one of these figures.

If he lives to see the day - I can see myself going to see a jack white club date when he's 50-something just to hear how the sounds in his head have changed.

I would have done the same for Kurt Cobain.



By the way - I really didn't dig the way he played bass on that video (this is coming from a guy that played guitar long before he picked up the bass) - but it's not my opinion that matters - it's that he made it work in a live situation - attempting to try something different.
I have to respect that.

Ani - sharp businesswoman. Quality product + low overhead + good sales = healthy profits is the way to go. Most record companies consume a disgusting amount of money just keeping their inner workings ticking over.

Not much of a fan of WS, but i think their drummer makes up in skill/technical ability with good dynamics. Although i think Jack is the talent of the band.

I play in a cover band and we had to drop the White Stripes from our set because our drummer couldn't cop the feel. When we played it sounded too tight. It actually sounded bad when played (technically) better than recorded..


haha, in my old cover band I joked to the drummer that when we played 7 nation army he needed to be really drunk.

the White Stripes played Later With Jools Holland a month ago, and Jools joined them, playing keyboards. you could see he was struggling to lock into what Meg White was playing. it's like trying to hit a moving target.

my2cents: well it's ok to be diferent, to make songs that crowd will like and you don't have to work hard or truly kick your instrument but the negative aspect of it is i think that many many people (most of them not playing anything) will diminish the value of musicians how are truly building themself both in tehnique and in the "art" , and that is the bad thing i think. most of kids now don't pickup their instruments because they want to progress and make music, to build themself as musicians but only to be cool, so they can say "wee ladies i have a band!". that leads to general public having perception that all those "young bands" play like crap. another negative thing that leads to another.

it's not all the time all the place law, but i felt that on my own skin. i don't care if WS suck playing but i care when some kid says "wee man, why do you need 6 strings?" or "that's shredding without feeling" i see bands like WS giving the fuel for the "%(playing tehcnical wise good) = %(apsence of feeling)"
:rollno:

but then again i remeber the good old rule
how little you know about music is revrsely proportional to how much you think you know about muisc :D