we will never hear him live I guess.Last night I went to a DT show,mostly for Myung,I though with a bongo,he's finally gonna blow the stage...Let alone blowing the stage his tone was MUD,buried 7 feet down the overall sound of the band,nothing was heard.:rollno: A big dissapointment for me.Show was great though.

I wonder why that happens. I guess the distorted guitars are just too much.

I never understood bands that have bassists that are never heard. This happens a lot with metal bands.

Myung hasn't had a decent tone since the days of using Tung basses. And even then, I can't comment on his live tone.

I saw'em live a few years ago and was exactly the same thing, nothing but guitars, vocals and kick drum. . .

Their FOH engineer should be fired.

I'll be off topic sorry but. I agree with you,that metal bands have problems with bass sound, I play bass in local Black Metal band and one like a funk/rock,where situation is better but,distor eats bass,so only way to be heard is to clean your sound (scenes form memory,live in n.y.)or go down and deep,budokan is ok.but I've never seen him live,sorry

Myung hasn't had a decent tone since the days of using Tung basses. And even then, I can't comment on his live tone.

His Tung basses sound absolutely awsome!I wonder why would some one want to change that sound...(money ofcourse:hmm: )

I remember reading that the Tung basses were great to him, but since Tung basses were pretty much just 1 guy who used to work for Michael Tobias, he wasn't able to keep a steady supply and he wasn't in business for very long. Than Yamaha came calling with an endorsement deal and the rest is history...

FWIW, his bass tone on the new album is way better than his last several efforts. I can't speak for his live tone though and they aren't coming to FL, so it looks like I won't be able to speak for his lvie tone anytime soon either :/

Never was a fan of Myung, great technique but so what? No one can hear him.

Yeah I like Dream Theater but just because he acts lifeless and mostly robotic doesn't mean that his tone as to be dull too. The new album is ok although, he should have taken advantage of the heavier riffs by giving his tone a little bit of growl. I mean the uber cheesy riff at the end of Dark Eternal night was basically a Black Label Society riff (Petrucci is hanging out with Zakk Wilde way too much) but the bass still sounded like the same conservatively rounded out tone but played with a pick.

Myung is amazing, but his newer work isn't on par of what it usually is. I've noticed with on ocassions he gets a really 'clanky' sound coming out of his bass, which can be annoying.

I saw dream theater and the mix was bad too. But Symphony X played on the same stage, and WOW, they're sound guys had it solid, one of the best live bands I've seen, sound and performance wise. plus lepond cut through the mix and sounded epic

I saw 'em a week ago, he played with a Yamaha 6 stringer and the Bongo 5. The Yamaha was completely buried in the mix, but Bongo was quite distinct IMO. Maybe it was because I was wearing earplugs though ;)

Myung is amazing, but his newer work isn't on par of what it usually is. I've noticed with on ocassions he gets a really 'clanky' sound coming out of his bass, which can be annoying.

That "clanky" sound is probably due to his style,he sometimes hits the strings so hard that my wrist hurts even watching it!

Over the past 2 albums his sound has improved, but it's a far cry from what I like as a bass sound. I saw DT the other day and the sound was not projecting at all.

I truly really think Dream Theater is one of the most overated bands that I have ever heard. I bougfht systematic chaos, expecting some crazy guitar work with petrucci supposedly being one of the best. I got to say though Im not at all impressed with him or myung.

I saw them YEARS ago as well as recently when Myung was playing Spector 4 strings and the sound was SOOOO bad at one point he was pointing at his bass and giving the "thumbs up/turn me up sign" like mad.
He literally took off his bass and threw it on the stage during the tune.
The funny thing was, he didn't turn it down when he did it, and you could barely hear the CRASH.

He walked out with another bass and only then could you sorta make him out in the mix.

But even the last time I saw them, I was like "why is he even on the stage??!?"
The kick and low end from the guitars & keys burried him.

I truly really think Dream Theater is one of the most overated bands that I have ever heard. I bougfht systematic chaos, expecting some crazy guitar work with petrucci supposedly being one of the best. I got to say though Im not at all impressed with him or myung.


you might want want to check out John Petrucci's solo album. He really tears it up

I saw DT on their tour for Train of Thought.

The bass was muddy low end with amplification that made the rumble on par with an earthquake. I literally wondered if the balcony I stood on would cave in.

Talented musicians to be sure, but the only album I can have a listen to is Images & Words.

I saw'em live a few years ago and was exactly the same thing, nothing but guitars, vocals and kick drum. . .

Their FOH engineer should be fired.

either that or the FOH guy is doing exactly what Petrucci, the singer, and Portnoy want him to do.

I truly really think Dream Theater is one of the most overated bands that I have ever heard. I bougfht systematic chaos, expecting some crazy guitar work with petrucci supposedly being one of the best. I got to say though Im not at all impressed with him or myung.

That's a pretty closeminded thing to say if you've only heard one album, and their worst at that.

Go buy Images and Words, Awake and Scenes From a Memory.

either that or the FOH guy is doing exactly what Petrucci, the singer, and Portnoy want him to do.

Yeah. That's probably it. Petrucci, Portnoy and Ruddess all have massive egos. Myung on the other hand is kind of a reserved person and very humble.

you might want want to check out John Petrucci's solo album. He really tears it up

That wasn't Myung on Suspended Animation. It was Dave LaRue. But seriously, check out Images and Words, Awake, and Scenes From a Memory. Damn good bass playing on those albums.

That wasn't Myung on Suspended Animation. It was Dave LaRue.

he was wanting to hear some crazy guitar work by Petrucci
:)

Myung hasn't had a decent tone since the days of using Tung basses. And even then, I can't comment on his live tone.

I think his tone here is fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRFnlcsZ0g

I saw DT on their tour for Train of Thought.

The bass was muddy low end with amplification that made the rumble on par with an earthquake. I literally wondered if the balcony I stood on would cave in.


We couldn't hear the bass but man,my friend said "ıs Myung playing?" and I replied "what do you think is shaking the ground right now?" and we were far far away from the stage.

I think his tone here is fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRFnlcsZ0g

He sounds good on DVDs sure,but remember they are mixed,its not what the audience heard.(or didint hear):)

Maby the guy likes earthquake tones? But hes rich enough to bi-amp, Earthquake one amp, and make the other one listenable :p

I think his tone here is fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRFnlcsZ0g

One thing that always kills me when I watch him is how curved his fretting wrist is. You would think that he would have a killer case of carpal tunnel's by playing like that - looks like it would kinda hurt playing like that too.

One thing that always kills me when I watch him is how curved his fretting wrist is. You would think that he would have a killer case of carpal tunnel's by playing like that - looks like it would kinda hurt playing like that too.

Exactly! But seing how stong his wrists are,its no problem for him I guess.If I played like that I would have carpal tunnels all over my body. :p

I think downtuning has really hurt the sound of metal today. Guitarists are trying to sound heavy so they invade the tonal space of bass to where nobody really needs a bassist anymore.

If you want to hear some good Petrucci and Levin, pick up the Liquid Tension Experiment stuff.

I think downtuning has really hurt the sound of metal today. Guitarists are trying to sound heavy so they invade the tonal space of bass to where nobody really needs a bassist anymore.


I agree. Heavy distorted guitars easily bury bass in the mix. I`ve been looking for "my" sound during several years to be "clearly heard" between 2 guitars like that in my rock band.

After sometime I`ve realized that the main thing is to accentuate the mids. My main gigging basses right now are a MIA Fender Jazz and a Zon Sonus. When I dialed a classic, deep, round bass tone, I could only be heard during ballads or with clean guitars.

either that or the FOH guy is doing exactly what Petrucci, the singer, and Portnoy want him to do.

I don't know about that, I've heard stories of those guys getting pretty pissed at soundguys for cutting out to much of myung

btw I thought his studio tone with those tungs were great, but not so great live, whereas his live at budokan tone was great, but not so great ot train of thought

I personally am a fan of Myung's playing, but the fact that his tone most of the time is buried in the mix of Petrucci's guitar and Portnoy's ridiculously loud kick drums is one glaring flaw in the DT sound, especially considering he's got some cool lines in their songs.

I think his tone on albums is fine, and don't have a problem hearing the bass, and the score DVD at least had some decent EQ'ing so you can hear him (whether you could in the actual performance though who knows).

Either, Myung needs to go for a mid-range accentuated tone (as stated above), or they finally need to turn his damn amp up.

If you watch the 10 years in a Live Time DVD on all of the Awake live songs he sounds great with his Tungs. There are a couple of songs from their fan club concert where his Yamaha sounds really great. If you watch Live at the Budokahn he sounds really good for the first 7 songs or so then all of a sudden he is turned down and lost. I think it is all in the engineers. He cuts through really well on DT's albums, though. I think part of the problem is they have so much sonic complexity with Rudess and Petrucci. You almost have to listen to them with good headphones to hear everything that is going on. Most PA's just crap out I think.

I think his tone here is fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRFnlcsZ0g

I've got that dvd and I think I was right not to expect to hear much of Myung...

I quit going to their shows---His bass tone was so distorted you couldn't hear a note he played--even during his solo!

I'm not much of a DT fan, but I've yet to hear Myung in the songs I have heard. It's really a shame, because I feel his pain about volume issues sometimes. Some soundmen have no idea what a "proper" mix is.

I recently joined a band which is composed of pretty big Dream Theater fans and I don't think this is going to bode particularly well for my sound during their live shows. :D

I'm not that much of a fan but I must say I quite liked that "Instrumedley".

Didn't it ever occur to you that he might like being buried in the mix ?
These guys are all studio gods. I'm pretty sure the balance on stage is intentional.

Didn't it ever occur to you that he might like being buried in the mix ?
These guys are all studio gods. I'm pretty sure the balance on stage is intentional.

It`s possible of course, but I find it hard to believe.

Didn't it ever occur to you that he might like being buried in the mix ?



:eyebrow:
Umm.....WHA!?!?????

Sure, I bet he LOVES not being heard!!!
I know they use in-ear monitors, and I bet his personal mix is killin'.
But the FOH mix.......C'mon, likes be buried...

I was at their concert. About a month ago. I didn't hear Myung at beginning and after I went looking for other place to stand and then I stood at a place where a bass was loudest. The sound was killer, I heard him best at that point and I was blown away. Bongo is good but so is yamaha. When "As I am started" I was born again. That yamaha kills.
Here he is (it's from that night W/ bongo):
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/tatamanijak/20070609_dt3.jpg

And a group photo with Portnoy wearing our national football shirt:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/tatamanijak/DSC05185.jpg

I recently joined a band which is composed of pretty big Dream Theater fans and I don't think this is going to bode particularly well for my sound during their live shows. :D

I'm not that much of a fan but I must say I quite liked that "Instrumedley".

Yes, it's good, though the best part (Universal Mind) is LTE and sounds better with Tony Levin playing the bass parts on a stick imo!

Didn't it ever occur to you that he might like being buried in the mix ?
These guys are all studio gods. I'm pretty sure the balance on stage is intentional.

Yes, but JP and MP are reputed to have massive "listen to me" egos...I doubt John is buried by choice...

I've seen/heard DT three times in concert. Same problem each time - the bass was just a dull, muddy roar... :mad:

I really think it is a metal tradition of sorts - with the bass rarely getting full billing with the rest of the instruments in the mix. That, plus the fact that DT puts out so much sound, so much volume and so many notes (:eek:), they hardly leave any space for Myung to fit himself in...

MM

The thing to note about Myungs basslines is that most of the time they either sync with Petrucci's guitar, portnoy's kick drums, or both (if petrucci syncs with the kick drums too), that alone causes the bass to fall into the mix.

Couple that with the fact that JP and MP's volumes are usually cranked and Myung's volume isnt as cranked and it's easy for it to get lost in the mix.

However if what someone stated on the second page is true, that on several occasions JP and MP have been rather upset with sound guys cutting out Myung's tone, then at least it's acknowledged by the band. Now they just have to *do* something about it.

He's a great player---maybe if he ditched some of the effects...He always sound "over-processed" to me..

He's a great player---maybe if he ditched some of the effects...He always sound "over-processed" to me..

Maybe he should try a P bass and SVT...

:hiding:

never seen them live but you can even tell on the DVDs that he is far from being heard. Even during his solo in Metropolis on Score you can barely hear him.

What he needs is a good pair of balls and say that he is not afraid of turning up his volume.

I've got that dvd and I think I was right not to expect to hear much of Myung...

I don't understand what you're saying :confused:

And I thought you said he hadn't sounded good since his Tungs, I gathered you meant recording too, well lo and behold here's a recent recording where he sounds fine.

Its the same on the albums he always gets turned down. Saw him at Newcastle and the 6 string actually cut through a little better than the bongo, but the other times the bongo would really come through I dont know who was doing the sound but it was awful. Couldnt hear James LeBrie on vocals either. I just feel the focus just seems to be on JP and MP. I agree the earlier stuff is great but now its only about 3 songs per album that stand out

I truly really think Dream Theater is one of the most overated bands that I have ever heard. I bougfht systematic chaos, expecting some crazy guitar work with petrucci supposedly being one of the best. I got to say though Im not at all impressed with him or myung.

'cause it's a CRAP album. Get Awake if you want some insane guitar work. Solo on Voices = :O:O:O:hyper: :bassist:

If you watch Live at the Budokahn he sounds really good for the first 7 songs or so then all of a sudden he is turned down and lost.

I think that's an error on some runs of the DVDs which should be fixed now. I know it happens with the version on google video, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen on my version...

Heh, I remember a bootleg where the bass comes out MADLY loud when it comes in (the song Misunderstood, I think), and... they turn it down after about 20 seconds... You can literally hear them shoving it down in the middle of one of his lines -_-

What he needs is a good pair of balls...

What are you talking about? He's got plenty of MusicMan basses!:confused:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :hyper:

I have to say I agree with most posters. I've seen them live on their three latest tours, and the sound has been good on two of the shows.

The first, during the 6 degrees tour, had perfect sound, no complaints what so ever.

The second, he was a bit low during the first set, but they turned him up during the intermission, and after that it was perfect. Awesome sets BTW, a perfect mix of new and old songs, ending with Metropolis pt. 1.

The third time was in Rome, on Halloween, oct. 31 2005.
A great show, first set with old classics, and second set the whole Octavarium album straight through, because it was the final European tour date. they did a Pull Me Under/Metropolis medley as extra, and something more, I think, but I can't remember. The sound, however, was terrible. Way to loud for such a small arena (about 2000 people), and Myung was as usual too low in the mix.

And I hate to say this, but the bass sound on Systematic Chaos isn't much of an improvement. It's good on some songs, but it's mixed uneven, low on some songs, then suddenly too loud on others.

As a big DT fan, I was extremely dissapointed with SC. I consider it to be their worst album yet. It really sucks, to be honest.

I don't understand what you're saying :confused:

And I thought you said he hadn't sounded good since his Tungs, I gathered you meant recording too, well lo and behold here's a recent recording where he sounds fine.

I've haven't heard a record where his tone was good since he stopped using Tung basses. Of course, I have never heard him live when he was using a Tung, maybe then he sounded better, I could not say. Of course, when I bought the Budokan dvd I did not have high hopes for the mix given the fact that he was buried on the Live Scenes From New York dvd. And low and behold, on the Budokan dvd he is low in the mix with no definition. SOS. :(

".....I was extremely dissapointed with SC. I consider it to be their worst album yet. It really sucks, to be honest."

I thought the same thing about TOT until I heard it about 15 times. I would say Octavarium is the least Theater like of all their albums. Systematic Chaos in my opinion is pretty good. Its not Awake or Scenes From a Memory, but I would put it number five.

And I hate to say this, but the bass sound on Systematic Chaos isn't much of an improvement. It's good on some songs, but it's mixed uneven, low on some songs, then suddenly too loud on others.

As a big DT fan, I was extremely dissapointed with SC. I consider it to be their worst album yet. It really sucks, to be honest.

I've never found Myung's bass to be too loud on any Dream Theater song, and if it was I wouldn't mind. It's either clearly heard, or buried under the layers of guitar tracks and loud kick drums.

I found SC to be pretty solid (In The Presence of Enemies, and Dark Eternal Night are very good) for an extravagant JP/MP produced album, the only disapointments were Forsaken and Ministry of Lost Souls.

Forsaken wouldn't have been that bad if the bass was audible (save for being able to hear it a little in the intro riff, and him hitting a root note during the first verse), as well as the drums (suprisingly). That song is just way to much Petrucci ego stroking; the treble (guitar volume) is way too loud. Ministry of Lost Souls just never grabs my attention.

As far as dvd's go their Score concert I think handled Myung rather well in the mix since I rarely have trouble hearing the bass. The only exception I can think of is when he does a tapping line, and then his tapping solo in Metropolis (which is pretty disapointing).

".....I was extremely dissapointed with SC. I consider it to be their worst album yet. It really sucks, to be honest."

I thought the same thing about TOT until I heard it about 15 times. I would say Octavarium is the least Theater like of all their albums. Systematic Chaos in my opinion is pretty good. Its not Awake or Scenes From a Memory, but I would put it number five.

Train of Thought is one of my favorite DT albums, it knocked me off my feet first time I heard it, and it still rocks.

Believe me, I've tried to give SC a chance by listening to it more, but almost all those times, I've turned it off after 2-3 songs, and other times I find myself skipping the songs until the record ends.

either that or the FOH guy is doing exactly what Petrucci, the singer, and Portnoy want him to do.

+1

Petrucci and Portnoy are the clear leaders of the band and as such are probably why Myung is buried in the mix all the time- under Petrucci's 7 string and Portnoy's kick drums...

I enjoyed Myung's tone on Ytse Jam on "When Day and Dream Unite".

That "clanky" sound is probably due to his style,he sometimes hits the strings so hard that my wrist hurts even watching it!

I know that he has the action set pretty high for live shows because, as he says, he likes to "dig in". I'm wondering if he feels the need to dig in so he can be heard.

This gig they had in Japan is kinda an exception to Myung getting drowned out...he completely covers up Petrucci in this video. Well in the beginning anyway. They turn him down about 3 minutes in, but you can still kinda hear him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8h81PggfE8I

I have been to about 6 or 7 dream theater shows over the years and I dig the band and I think Myung is a talented guy and I have to totally agree that live, you cannot hear him at all. only time you can is if they play metropolis pt.1 and his tab solo comes through because it's the only part being played at the time. It's tough to compete with Rudess, Portnoy and Petrucci and I have heard that Myung is not really a limelight kinda guy, so maybe he's okay with just being in the mix - maybe he sounds great through the monitors and has really no idea what he sounds like in the crowd, which is a shame since he does play some great parts... Let's face it, the bass player always gets the short end of the stick anyway - only us bass players would ever go to a show to see the bass player...

I always thought Myung's being buried had to do with his choice in tone, which usually seems dull and totally lacking in highs along with a constant use of the low B, which I find hard to hear in any situation. I suppose that isn't necessarily correct, though I've found in the past that some treble certainly helps. :-/

Man how many "no one can hear Myung" threads does this make? That poor guy! You know he's talented! He must really not have anything else to do, or he has no backbone to stand up and say, "Hey m****f****rs! No one can hear the bass!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!"

It is possible to get him in the mix. Everyone here knows the solution! A little frequency slotting would do the trick. I think maybe nobody has the balls to speak up to Portnoy, Petrucci, and the key player to ask them to sculpt their tone a bit so that everyone can be heard. It's sad, really..

I know there are lots of threads on this but I was kinda sad and pissed,I paid 40$ to hear Myung with the Bongo -I'm not a big DT fan- but now all my band is making fun of me.I mean come on,how can you not be heard with a Bongo....:bawl:

:p

I wasn't getting down on the thread as much as I am upset at Myung's plight! It really is a sad thing!

You'd think they'd have worked out a good sound balance by now considering how many years they've been touring. Since they all wear in-ear monitors I'm sure they're each hearing what's best for them.... so maybe they just don't care what the crowd hears since most of the audience isn't comprised of musicians

never seen them live but you can even tell on the DVDs that he is far from being heard. Even during his solo in Metropolis on Score you can barely hear him.

Yes, I noticed that as well.

His Tung Tone was certainly the best of the bunch (Awake is phenomenal in that regard). Thought his TRB's sounded pretty good as well on FII and tour. After the sig. model and new material that is much "denser" he sounds like crap. 3 ego-maniacal instrumentalists and 1 quiet team player (Myung) equal Dream Theater. Guess who gets the shaft in the mix? :scowl:

I think his tone here is fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRFnlcsZ0g


That tune is sick and this band is sick, I'm blown away by that clip. Bass sounded good there.

I've haven't heard a record where his tone was good since he stopped using Tung basses. Of course, I have never heard him live when he was using a Tung, maybe then he sounded better, I could not say. Of course, when I bought the Budokan dvd I did not have high hopes for the mix given the fact that he was buried on the Live Scenes From New York dvd. And low and behold, on the Budokan dvd he is low in the mix with no definition. SOS. :(

Buried on LSFNY? Are you kidding? He's way over the top of Petrucci and Portnoy. Budokan - slightly less so, yet clearly audible and distinct.

I think he's a bit louder on the CD mix than the DVD mix... At times he's VERY loud on LSFNY and Bodokan, and the music sounds much better for it -_-
Not too fond of LSFNY — very cutting tone, but the treble makes some of the songs sound a bit bleh, imo.

Unfortunately, live... yeah... bass? More like a 50hz rumble :/

Budokan was his worst. It sounded like a muddy mess and so did Live Scenes from New York

He had his best sound on 5 Years in a Livetime

He had his best sound on 5 Years in a Livetime

I disagree. On 5YIAL, he's got WAY too much distortion and effects in his sound, with no definition at all, total lack of punch.

The Budokan album was the last album he sounded great on, courtesy of Kevin "Caveman" Shirley. I know DT had their problems with him, but he sure made them sound great. They should've never parted ways.

The Budokan album was the last album he sounded great on, courtesy of Kevin "Caveman" Shirley. I know DT had their problems with him, but he sure made them sound great. They should've never parted ways.

My god no, he is the man who sabotaged Rush's sound in 1993! "use the jazz bass" he said :rollno:

My god no, he is the man who sabotaged Rush's sound in 1993! "use the jazz bass" he said :rollno:

Yeah, he should have said "use the Rickenbacker." ;)

Myung is an awesome player.

What I can hear him do is quite nice. :)

Man how many "no one can hear Myung" threads does this make? That poor guy! You know he's talented! He must really not have anything else to do, or he has no backbone to stand up and say, "Hey m****f****rs! No one can hear the bass!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!"

It is possible to get him in the mix. Everyone here knows the solution! A little frequency slotting would do the trick. I think maybe nobody has the balls to speak up to Portnoy, Petrucci, and the key player to ask them to sculpt their tone a bit so that everyone can be heard. It's sad, really..

Here's one more... I've seen them live a dozen times and can only hear him when nobody else is playing... it is sad.

Budokan was his worst. It sounded like a muddy mess and so did Live Scenes from New York

He had his best sound on 5 Years in a Livetime

Have to strongly disagree. On Bodokan he has a LOVELY strong low-end (suited to metal) with a VERY warm low mid top that cuts through very well. His tone on Live Scenes isn't nearly as warm and pleasing, but it has a lot of treble and still cuts through quite well. Wouldn't call either recordings muddy at all.

I actually don't know why he can't sound like Budokan all the time... :(

John Myung varries from system to system though. I mean, his sound seems to be REALLY effected by sound systems. I mean, I have a fairly low-end creative soundworks 5.1 system, and John Mying is 20x more audible now I've shoved a pair of missions and a pair of mordaunt-shorts into the system for the front/read speakers (since it's 5.1, stereo music is simply pumped out of both the front and the read speakers, which kicks ass when the speakers are in a large pile in front of you :P). Like, I've even had John Myung drowning out the other instruments on the albums. On Awake, when he's hitting his low B, I can hear it loud and clearly (not possible before I put these speakers on). The Glass Prison actually has my floor shaking between Portnoy and Myung's bass work :P

I guess reproducing a low B on a bass amp is hard... It's harder for a hi-fi amp too.

God knows. Upgrade your hi-fi equipment if you want to hear more of Mr. Myung :D

Edit: But live Myung and live album Myung are DIFFERENT. His tone is still trashy live. But remember, DT need PERFECT acoustics to work live really. They have an insanely loud drummer and a guitarist that can basically pwn the whole frequancy spectrum by playing power chords. The place I saw them (Hammersmith Apollo) I've never liked for acoustics, so... DT sounded pretty crap there...

My god no, he is the man who sabotaged Rush's sound in 1993! "use the jazz bass" he said :rollno:

Well then lucky for me I don't listen to Rush!;)

Yeah, he should have said "use the Rickenbacker." ;)

No you are both wrong! He should have said play that damn Wal until you die and all your albums will be at least twice as great!:D

Stupid jazz bass:spit:

But live Myung and live album Myung are DIFFERENT. His tone is still trashy live. But remember, DT need PERFECT acoustics to work live really. They have an insanely loud drummer and a guitarist that can basically pwn the whole frequancy spectrum by playing power chords. The place I saw them (Hammersmith Apollo) I've never liked for acoustics, so... DT sounded pretty crap there...

+1 Have seen DT many times in small clubs and in large outdoor venues. Sometimes Myung sounds great other times not so much. He is competing with so much low end from the guitars, keys, and kick that without a more mid-range heavy tone he is never going to cut much.

The drums are extremely loud live, and i think he cuts a little midrange from his sound. That happens a lot on metal concerts and i'm shure a big part of the blame is on the soundman.

Not only drums but even Portnoy's hi-hat was the loudest thing in the show.

Also it sounds like Myung is not cutting some of his mid range but all of it.:)

My god no, he is the man who sabotaged Rush's sound in 1993! "use the jazz bass" he said :rollno:

Are you saying Geddy doesn't know what he likes? :confused:
Live he sounds better than Myung or at least you can hear him better IMO.

Are you saying Geddy doesn't know what he likes? :confused:
Live he sounds better than Myung or at least you can hear him better IMO.

It's easier to be heard when you play in a power trio :D

It's easier to be heard when you play in a power trio :D


Geddy & Alex also aren't really competing for the same sonic space, whereas JP & JM are.

I truly really think Dream Theater is one of the most overated bands that I have ever heard. I bougfht systematic chaos, expecting some crazy guitar work with petrucci supposedly being one of the best. I got to say though Im not at all impressed with him or myung.

It's not their best album, better with others such as Scenes from a Memory, Images and Words or Awake.

since most of the audience isn't comprised of musicians

Oh, I don't know about that...:smug: