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Matt Till 10-14-2007, 07:27 PM Do you like Metallica's Music? If you consider Metallica "music".
The only ones I like are And Justice For All and the Master of Puppets Album.
Other than that I hate all of it.
fenderx55 10-14-2007, 07:33 PM Well played. I completely agree.
Ben Lesser 10-14-2007, 07:34 PM I don't dig them, aside from a very small handful of songs. Just not my cup of tea.
FL Knifemaker 10-14-2007, 07:37 PM Hell Ya!! :bassist:
I don't care for all their tunes but that's pretty much how I feel about most bands.
Nino Valenti 10-14-2007, 07:37 PM Most of it.
Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are, IMO, Thrash Masterpieces.
Kill Em All and Justice are great but not as great as the above 2.
Black is OK but it the start of the end.
The 2 Load albums are good but there are a lot of filler songs. They could of cut 1/2 the songs from each album and made one GREAT album that would of blew the doors off of the Black album.
I love Garage Inc and S&M. Lots of great and weird covers and the S&M is cool to hear a lot of of their songs in a different way.
St. Anger is a load of crap.
Jiggybass 10-14-2007, 07:38 PM Meh, they're alright, great to rock out to, but get tiring very fast.
gkbass13 10-14-2007, 07:44 PM i like some songs, not really into them. great response thread though. id rather listen to the roots or talib kweli anyday!
mike_v_s 10-14-2007, 07:55 PM Most of it.
Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are, IMO, Thrash Masterpieces.
Kill Em All and Justice are great but not as great as the above 2.
Black is OK but it the [edit] end. Throw in 'Garage Days Rerevisited', take note of my editing and we're done here.
Mike
jrthebassguy 10-14-2007, 08:02 PM I had a huge metallica phase in 8th grade.
Now that I'm several years removed from it....They have some decent songs (Justice being my favorite album by them), but they probably wouldn't even make my top 100 bands list nowadays.
FTR: I didn't hate St. Anger as much as most people did.
Bad Brains 10-14-2007, 08:03 PM I use too, don't really listen to them anymore.
jsbass 10-14-2007, 08:05 PM :D
I won't even vote, you already know my answer.
Spector_Ray 10-14-2007, 08:10 PM This thread depends on your definition of Metallica. IMHO, Metallica died after ...And Justice for All.
Sonic_Death 10-14-2007, 08:18 PM This thread depends on your definition of Metallica. IMHO, Metallica died after ...And Justice for All.
And that's why you'd never be considered a true Metallica fan.
All bands go through phases, just because they changed their sound and pretty much sold out does not change the fact that they are Metallica though. I happen to have liked every single thing they've done. It is just all different, and I have an eclectic taste in music, so I don't mind any of it.
Matt Till 10-14-2007, 08:20 PM Well, a few people caught it
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371761
Bryan316 10-14-2007, 08:20 PM Pre-Load for me.
Master of Puppets being my favorite of their material.
Nino Valenti 10-14-2007, 08:21 PM No, totally missed it. :)
Sonic_Death 10-14-2007, 08:23 PM Well, a few people caught it
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371761
My fault :smug: This is the first time I have surfed TB all day so I didn't see that thread!
mike_v_s 10-14-2007, 08:24 PM Well, a few people caught it
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371761Oh, I think more than a few got it, and you've got a point. But what's funny for me is watching it grow like you were serious. :) Allow me to continue:
Cliff Burton is far better than the Gza will ever be. He totally owns the entire Wu-Tang Clan with ODB. AND he would have beat up today's Metallica with just his hair.
Mike
Yngwie 4String 10-14-2007, 08:56 PM The music they make is mediocre and poorly mixed metal. I hate James Hetfield and Lars Ulbitch as human beings.
Mon Rominee 10-14-2007, 09:04 PM I used to be a pretty big fan of the early stuff and they've musically had their great moments on albums past "Justice", but for the most part their output past that record bores me...
I applaud them for their "maturing", longevity and all that stuff, and their commercial success in spite of their already awesome success as a touring act.... but I have to admit the "some kind of monster" documentary was pretty funny and painful to watch, tho I'm sure that wasn't their intent.
StanFan 10-14-2007, 09:12 PM I like all of it except for St. Anger and most of S&M.
Sonic_Death 10-14-2007, 09:14 PM I like all of it except for St. Anger and most of S&M.
But S&M has Minus Human on it which is a great and heavy song haha
Captain Chaos 10-14-2007, 09:16 PM I only like 2 albums by them (Master of Puppets and S&M) They are so overplayed.
Armueller2001 10-14-2007, 09:16 PM I like Metallica a lot... pretty much everything except St. Anger.
David Lansen 10-14-2007, 10:00 PM I like Metallica. Except St. Anger.
Brad Barker 10-14-2007, 10:04 PM this poll almost has a nice little gaussian going.
jonathan_matos5 10-14-2007, 10:06 PM where is the i used to but then they started to suck option?
BellBottomBlues 10-14-2007, 10:07 PM where is the i used to but then they started to suck option?
lol +1:D
BellBottomBlues 10-14-2007, 10:11 PM I used to listen to Metallica way back in the day, but the only album that ever really appealed to me was Kill'em All. There really wasn't many, if any,songs I liked off of any of the other albums aside from a passing interest.
Everyone said they sold out, but I really didn't care. Then I saw them live for the first time. Oh... bad deal. They sounded terrible, and messed up a lot of songs. In fact, they even stopped twice, apologized, and started again. I would've demanded a refund but I didn't pay for the show.
I voted for the NO! option as I don't listen to any of their stuff anymore and when it comes on the radio, I have a tendency to change the station. I still catch myself playing that Cliff Burton solo every now and then though...
Tired_Thumb 10-14-2007, 11:39 PM I went through a "m3tallica rvlez!" phase like other people did. Now, like some other people, I like certain songs at certain times, but if Metallica ceased to exist, my life wouldn't be over. Even at their thrash peak, I find they're only a gateway to better, albeit less accessible bands such as Dark Angel, Sadus, and others.
TheBigO 10-14-2007, 11:42 PM I like awesome music.
And by awesome I mean the music that I thought was awesome when I was in high school and college. Music that tries to recapture the awesomeness of the period of music that I consider awesome are sometimes awesome themselves, but not as awesome as the originals.
Music today is not awesome. It no longer sounds like what I consider awesome. I rail against this lack of awesomeness and harken back to when things were the most awesome.
Two other things that I think are awesome are sarcasm and threads that attempt to make a point that is blindly glossed over by people eager to post about what they do or do not find to be awesome.
Good night.
blizzard 10-14-2007, 11:47 PM I like Metallica, pretty much all of their work, except St Anger.
KeithBMI 10-14-2007, 11:57 PM I hate the Metallica you hear on the radio.
...But there are a ton of underground Metallicas that have a positive message in their lyrics.
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:D
Tim Cole 10-15-2007, 01:07 AM The music they make is mediocre and poorly mixed metal. I hate James Hetfield and Lars Ulbitch as human beings.
But you like YNGWIE?
Eh. Pre black metallica was good stuff, and pretty much reinvented metal. Sabbath of their era, if you will.
All yngwie did for me is give me a headache, and wish I were deaf.
Alvaro Martín Gómez A. 10-15-2007, 01:27 AM I've only bought the black album and S&M. Downloaded the mp3s of "Orion" and "One". That's all for me.
GregC 10-15-2007, 01:35 AM I like awesome music.
And by awesome I mean the music that I thought was awesome when I was in high school and college. Music that tries to recapture the awesomeness of the period of music that I consider awesome are sometimes awesome themselves, but not as awesome as the originals.
Music today is not awesome. It no longer sounds like what I consider awesome. I rail against this lack of awesomeness and harken back to when things were the most awesome.
Two other things that I think are awesome are sarcasm and threads that attempt to make a point that is blindly glossed over by people eager to post about what they do or do not find to be awesome.
Good night.
This post = totally awesome.:D
Yngwie 4String 10-15-2007, 01:45 AM Each to his own captain tim. I just hate James and Lars becuase of the way they are as people.
Mark Latimour 10-15-2007, 03:03 AM Each to his own captain tim. I just hate James and Lars becuase of the way they are as people.
And you like Yngwie? :confused:
Depth_Charge 10-15-2007, 04:49 AM I was a Metallica nut in my early 20's.
I really dug the albums up to AJFA and I used to listen to Metallica all day for about 4 years!
There's a few songs from their newer albums I like, but I guess I just kind of grew out of them as I don't really listen to much of it anymore...the old stuff is SO ingrained in me I prefer listening to new tunes from other bands nowadays, and I don't really get into their new stuff.
Still, I saw them in Perth in 1993 and it's one of my best experiences to date. They opened from a pitch black, silent stage straight into Creeping Death! Talk about a punch in the face!!! :bassist::bassist:
bassist 4 life 10-15-2007, 07:36 AM YEAAAAAAAH!!
just like how james would say it.
\m/
Mon Rominee 10-15-2007, 07:40 AM Gee, I feel bad that Matt was just being coy and really didn't care if we liked Metallica or not. :(
mlowe 10-15-2007, 08:31 AM Late appreciator but they're growing on me. The movie they made helped me understand them a lot more. Lars imo is a total spanner but the guitarist was pretty impressive both in ability and attitude. As for Robby, he's always been a bass player I've followed and liked during his Suicidal & Infectious Grooves days.
He's proof you don't need a pick........
GregC 10-15-2007, 09:31 AM Each to his own captain tim. I just hate James and Lars becuase of the way they are as people.
And you like Yngwie? :confused:
Not to mention, ICP?:confused:
Alan Vorse 10-15-2007, 09:35 AM Master of Puppets is close to perfect. The rest...pass.
MAJOR METAL 10-15-2007, 11:06 AM Why is this in off topic ? To answer your question I love Metallica's material from Kill em All to Saint Anger and I cant wait to hear what they do next. :bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist:
xlows 10-15-2007, 11:13 AM I can't stand the vocals at all. Every word DOES NOT END WITH -ah! That-ah is-ah why-ah I-ah will-ah never-ah be-ah able-to-ah deal-ah with-ah them-ah. That alone. Well, that and the fact that i find their music to be pretty tasteless and dull.
IanStephenson 10-15-2007, 11:22 AM I have a theory that really no one ever liked metallica as they were at the time... What I mean is that they're a band that were past their best before they were REALLY famous.
In they 80's they had a small following, but even in the mainstream rock/metal circuit they were pretty unpopular. Then all of a sudden in the 90's they were huge, but again no one actually liked what they were doing - everyone was going on about how they USED to be good, but the new stuff was lame, even though when they were doing that stuff no one liked it.
I guess what I'm trying to say (badly) is that unlike most bands that have a formative period, a golden era where they're sucsessfull, and then a slow decline where they cost on hits from the golden era, Metallica went straight from wannabe's to downhill, with their new found fans pretending that they'd always liked them. If there was an era when Metallica were unconditionally sucsessfull, it started with Enter Sandman, and ended 4 1/2 minutes later.
Ian
Lorenzini 10-15-2007, 11:34 AM I have a theory that really no one ever liked metallica as they were at the time... What I mean is that they're a band that were past their best before they were REALLY famous.
In they 80's they had a small following, but even in the mainstream rock/metal circuit they were pretty unpopular. Then all of a sudden in the 90's they were huge, but again no one actually liked what they were doing - everyone was going on about how they USED to be good, but the new stuff was lame, even though when they were doing that stuff no one liked it.
I guess what I'm trying to say (badly) is that unlike most bands that have a formative period, a golden era where they're sucsessfull, and then a slow decline where they cost on hits from the golden era, Metallica went straight from wannabe's to downhill, with their new found fans pretending that they'd always liked them. If there was an era when Metallica were unconditionally sucsessfull, it started with Enter Sandman, and ended 4 1/2 minutes later.
Ian
To answer the OP, I don't like Metallica, but there is no denying their popularity or power in the music industry.
To quote Wikipedia: "The band has sold more than 90 million records worldwide,[2][3] including 57 million albums in the United States alone.[4][5]"
Now to me that sounds like success, no matter which way you look at it.
professor_bills 10-15-2007, 11:41 AM So if no one ever really likes them..maybe thats why they were so instrumental in shutting down NAPSTER? Maybe they felt it was NAPSTER's fault they only sold millions of albums instead of billions.
mnolansoc 10-15-2007, 12:51 PM I'm not a fan of anything Metallica has done, personally. If I want metal, Metallica is neither heavy nor fast enough, and the metal I listen to has to be at least one of those.
BELLATOR 10-15-2007, 12:56 PM Kill em All was a decent thrash album but if I want to listen to thrash I would listen to Testament any day of the week.
johnnycat42 10-15-2007, 01:04 PM I have a theory that really no one ever liked metallica as they were at the time... What I mean is that they're a band that were past their best before they were REALLY famous.
In they 80's they had a small following, but even in the mainstream rock/metal circuit they were pretty unpopular. Then all of a sudden in the 90's they were huge, but again no one actually liked what they were doing - everyone was going on about how they USED to be good, but the new stuff was lame, even though when they were doing that stuff no one liked it.
I guess what I'm trying to say (badly) is that unlike most bands that have a formative period, a golden era where they're sucsessfull, and then a slow decline where they cost on hits from the golden era, Metallica went straight from wannabe's to downhill, with their new found fans pretending that they'd always liked them. If there was an era when Metallica were unconditionally sucsessfull, it started with Enter Sandman, and ended 4 1/2 minutes later.
Ian
There is some truth to this. Most Metallica fans would admit the best stuff was done in the 80's when they had a smaller die hard fan base. Then "One" broke them into the mainstream enough to let the Black Album fully breakthrough. (Justice is a great album IMHO) But in reality, the Black Album was their last really good album. The Black Album then proceded to introduce many people to the great 80's Metallica work that they missed out on. But to me, that was really it. After that, they really have been living off of Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, and the Black Album. Only a very few highlights since then.
But really, that is alot of really good work to fall back on.
tplyons 10-15-2007, 07:28 PM Reload got me into Metallica, Load got me to love Metallica, and the old stuff gave me a stiff neck. I still love 'em, especially the old stuff on Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, but Load and Reload have a special place in my heart.
Matt Till 10-15-2007, 08:29 PM Why is this in off topic ? To answer your question I love Metallica's material from Kill em All to Saint Anger and I cant wait to hear what they do next. :bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist:
Yo, you must not have caught the post I made explaining this thread was a parody of another off topic thread. The "Do you like Rap" one. This thread can be deleted... or everyone can keep debating Metallica. I don't really care...
sensible68 10-16-2007, 03:33 PM I liked One, it's all I've heard by them but I think Hellbastard did that kinda thing better on "Heading for internal darkness".
Their non-musical output is very entertaining though. was 'only the documentaries' a poll option?
Eric618 10-16-2007, 03:37 PM Like most of the music... Cannot stand *them*, however.
If I wanted any Metallica music, I'd probably be downloading it.
Baryonyx 10-16-2007, 03:58 PM Yes, I feel like Metallica are a band I can rely on to consistently "pull it off" and make amazing music.
mattofash 10-17-2007, 04:30 AM I can appreciate what theyve done for music but they just bore the **** outa me
22w1st3d 10-17-2007, 05:06 AM to me the albums up to and including black were great. at least 90% of the songs from that era are awesome in their own right.
then hello Load.
the only songs ive liked in the last 10 years are Fuel, and the first halves of Some Kind Of Monster and St. Anger. the rest to me is utter mainstream pleasing, self indulgent crap. their egos and their bad relationships have destroyed the band. just look at the SKOM doco.
their upcoming album could be the final step towards their career in my eyes. if its another st. anger, then they may as well pack it in now. hopefully rick rubin and rob trujillo can shrink the giant heads of lars and james.
f'nar f'nar 10-17-2007, 05:08 AM I used to love them. I still think they are a quality band but I guess I just 'over listened' a little bit. My album rundown goes like this:
Kill 'em All: not many bands have a first album this good! Songs like seek and destroy and whiplash really rock my socks off and were pure metal! Even the lesser known tracks like Phantom Lord and Metal Millitia where very good songs and I loved them all! I honestly think that the intro to hit the lights has yet to be outdone as an album opener, it's perfect.
Ride the Lightning: Awesome album! Great mixture of thrash and melody especially when you compare the symphonic melodies of Call of Kthulu to the raw thrashyness of Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice. Classic songs like Fade to Black and For Whom the Bell Tolls really underlined what metallica where all about: writing songs that rocked as hard as they flowed melodically. Great.
Master of Puppets: Ride the Lightning but BETTER! THE PERFECT mixture of that straight up thrash and sweet melodies demonstrated clearly in Battery which I see as a refined and polished Fight Fire With Fire, just a hell of a lot better. Unlike Ride the Lightning which had songs that where either Melody based or Thrash based (even when they tried to combine them it still sounded like they just stopped one song and started another) the songs on this album combine both. And of course this song had THE Metallica song, Master of Puppets: whilst I think the song now to be a bit boring because everyone knows and plays it, it still remains a great song perfectly outlining what Metallica where about. I compare it in a way to Smoke on the Water, everyone knows how to play it and it's overplayed ALL THE TIME, but it doesn't make it any less of a fantastic song.
And Justice For All: My favourite album. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm a progressive metal man myself and this album definately had a more progressive feel, the closest thing metallica ever came to a concept album. You could tell that this album was really pushing the limits of Metallica's abilities i.e: the length of And Justice For All, the drums on Dyers Eve and Kirks solo masterpieces in Blackened, One and Dyers Eve. I really do love this album. Although it was probably the defining point when Metallica lost their 'Thrash' and moved to a more... (i hesitate to say) 'Mainstream' metal style. Which I didn't mind one little bit. On a side note the And Justice tour was increadible, they really started to become a performing band around this time.
Metallica (The 'Black' Album): Music for the masses I find. I think that they saw the comercial success they had recieved from and Justice for All and just made it a little more 'public friendly'. That being said I still enjoy this album especially the intro of Wherever I May Roam, very experimental (for them) and perfectly compliments the rest of the song. Other songs where great like Through the Never and Of Wolf and Man. Other songs not so great, The Struggle Within was just... out of place and Enter Sandman... well that signaled the beginning of the end, I'm not a person who says "Oh this band sold out, I hate them" but I do recognise that when a band hits the comercial success they did with Enter Sandman they tend to enjoy and want more of the same.
Load: Well. I don't know. To be honest its got some fantastic Melodic songs on it but its a bit Nickelback. Until it Sleeps was probably as heavy as they got on that album and thats saying something. Something bad. At this point METALlica had become ROCKtallica. The only thing metal about them was some of Kirks solo's and their guitars.
Reload: See Load. Although, Fuel was a wicked song. I'm a big car fan and this song really does sum it all up for me. In all, this was a bit of a redneck album. You knew exactly where James was from when you listened to Unforgiven II. And whats with the re-use of song names here?
Garage Inc.: Fantastic Album. Why? Probably because they didn't write any songs and they basically just added their flair to some classic old metal and punk classics. For a moment when I listened to Last Caress and Green Hell I felt nostalgic!
St. Anger: Well heres where I tend to vary from the normal 'fans' of Metallica. I actually liked this album. I think that the only reason everyone hates it is because it was Metallica who did it, and it was so wildly different from all their other stuff. Fans had only just got settled with their Load/ReLoad style and Metallica shook it all up again. I think if you listen to it and don't compare it to their other stuff you may actually enjoy the album. Everyone says that the drums and guitar sound crap BUT the drums lines IMO are much better than in Load etc. and if you listen to other great bands out there they have som shambollick sounding snares as well (best drum sound in the world= either Pantera or Opeth, no question). Anywho, I think songs like St. Anger and even The Unnamed Feeling where great songs, not great Metallica songs but good songs!
Thats my feelings anyway.
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