If not what is?

I guess this would be the "biggest letdown" thread. A famous band releasing an album that totally disorients fans and just bombs all together. What other albums have had this impact? Where even the hardcorest of fans has to be like, "ehhh, not my favorite."

That's pretty much the feeling I had when Load came out.

I'd rather listen to St. Anger than this...

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I take it we're talking Metallica? I haven't heard it.

I've certainly been let down by some of my favorite bands in the past, though, so I guess I feel your pain.

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They went from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prpJMrWhs) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4).

Green Day- Essentially everything after Dookie, but the ambsolute success of American Idiot amongst kids who thought Green Day were a new band just kind of burned something deep inside those of us who actually new them before.

Modest Mouse- We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank. Again, this probably had something to do with its success amongst noobs, but I honestly just didn't like it as much. They were better as Angry Indie Rock then as Dance-Pop-Indie.

Radiohead- Hail to The Theif. I love the hell out of this album, but I know a lot of fans who go back to Pablo Honey days that hate it.

RHCP- Anything after BSSM, really. It was good, and not much after that compared on any kind of level. Californication didn't deserve the praise it got, and I honestly think that Stadium Arcadium is one of the highlights of 'sell outs.'

Weezer- Make Believe. WHY!? Why Weezer? The Blue Album was awesome. Pinkerton was awesome. Hell, even the Green Album was great. But this?

I do realize that none of these are even close to the scale of St. Anger. None of these albums were as openly hated, none of them were even that bad, but you asked for albums that pissed off die hard fans. There you go.

Celtic Frost are kickass... I only have Morbid Tales though. Dethroned Emperor is awesome. :bassist:

I'm not very familiar with St. Anger but there are a few songs I liked.

I love Frantic.

Plus the one where he sings "Shoot me again I'm not dead yet" and the "Flush it out flush it out" songs are pretty cool IMO. I don't know the song titles, but I know I like the songs. :)

I really don't like the sound of the snare either, it reminded me of Pungent Stench in some respects...

Tormato by Yes. :)

"Celebrity Skin" by Hole is known to be a fairly big letdown of a rock album, though I actually like a few of the songs on that album.

Another big one is "Pop" by U2...their long awaited follow up after Achtung Baby an Zooropa, and it just seemed really weird and not with the times at all.

Weezer- Make Believe. WHY!? Why Weezer? The Blue Album was awesome. Pinkerton was awesome. Hell, even the Green Album was great. But this?


Absolutely. This album is the biggest letdown for me. But then I don't listen to Metallica in the first place.

Also when I first heard Radiohead's Kid A I was seriously depressed and angry at the band for making such a crappy album. But I was expecting something in the OK Computer vein and I learned to love it after accepting the totally different stylistic direction.

Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."

But in this vein, Van Halen's "1984" completely sucked for those of us that love VH.

I think Van Halen 3 ranks up there probably, but I personally haven't heard much of the album.

yes

Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."

But in this vein, Van Halen's "1984" completely sucked for those of us that love VH.

i thought justice was awsome (with or with out bass), and dare i say i really enjoyed 5150( i'm still torn on the whole vh thing):ninja:

i thought justice was awsome (with or with out bass), and dare i say i really enjoyed 5150( i'm still torn on the whole vh thing):ninja:

Justice was good, but it was a serious step down from Puppets. Black album was, ahh, how to put it in a family friendly way...

******* **** **** *** ******* *******.

There. :D

5150 was no longer Van Halen at all. I love Sammy Hagar, but Van Halen ceased to exist without DLR fronting them. It's like Queen without Freddie.

Recordings ?

I think Saint Anger is a pretty cool album , good heavy riffage. Remember every Metallica album is their new take on heavy music , there sound is allways changing. :cool::bassist:

yes

I think Saint Anger is a pretty cool album , good heavy riffage. Remember every Metallica album is their new take on heavy music , there sound is allways changing. :cool::bassist:


But Load/Reload at least were commercially successful albums. Saint Anger bombed pretty hard. Hell, I'll even admit to liking... I'll go ahead and say it, I prefer Load/Reload to A LOT of the Pre-Master of Puppets stuff. But St was an attempt to do something Metallica wasn't really capable of doing, IMO. You are one of the few who would listen to that album more than a couple times.

I'd rather listen to St. Anger than this...

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I guess the title is misleading. I want to know the biggest LETDOWN of all time. I'd say you get what you expect from Kenword G. Robinsonbones.

James lives just down the street aways, i always see him taking his kids to school, ( he's got some nice rides ). as far as St. Anger goes,, it's all good

Load and Reload might not be what die-hard Metallica fans wanted to hear from there favourite band, but as far as songwriting goes I think they are by far their strongest albums.

Till death do us part http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/MajorMetal/STANGER.jpg

Tormato by Yes. :)That's crazy talk, Tormato is a great album!

Never heard of St. Anger.

every time something bad happens or a lame band is playing we say"well at least its not st.anger!"

Yes, I would put St. Anger as the Album I hate the most, and as the most hated album overall. It's a record of half finished songs, with the production value of a $20/hour recording studio. The bad work ethic of whiny baby-men + one hell of a bad artistic decision = an almost unbelieveably crappy album. I haven't enjoyed Metallica in a long time, but St. Anger was a real slap in the face.

punk intensity w/rediculous riffage....not ground breaking or anything but a good diversion to your everyday listening expierience.....I got to say I don't hate it but on the other hand i'm not trying to learn the lines from it either.

I dont belive it was that hated, at least not here in sweden. It was more like "Huh, new record dude!, yay.."

Wow, kickass tat \MM/

What people dont seem to realize is that when Metallica went into the studio to record St. Anger, they didnt even have the first riff written. They wrote the whole album as they recorded it. They decided to try something new, but it didnt work out.

I'm not a big fan of St. Anger either, but the only crappy album to me is Kill 'em All.

I am really looking forward to the new album, which was written first and is produced by Rick Rubin.

Yeah, Kill 'Em All is a horrendous record, but I really like St. Anger and Load/Reload, they are some of the best records Metallica has made imo! Garage Inc. was great too, especially Loverman!

I think all your answers can be answered straight away with 4 words,...

"some kind of monster"

watch the documentary and you can see what happened,...
- Jason Newsted leaves...
- james hetfield has breakdown / rehab
- they have whole band counselling then fire the counsellor (that parts funny)
- Lars becomes the whiny little ***** that he always is and helps make a hard album to record become even harder to do anything with...
- Bob Rock interferes,... (Root of all problems IMHO!!!)

all in all, I hated the album at first, but then it grew on me... I still dont like the "tone" of the drums tho!... or lack of solo's

and justice for all (bass lost in the mix = sad!) is still my all time favourite... if Lars brought back drumming like that he'd get praised more often!

At least now theyre tighter than theyve been for a long time as a group and they have a new awesome bass player so fingers crossed their next "new stuff" isnt so eeek...

one that I think alot of metal heads didnt like was machine heads the burning red,... quote "too nu metal" and supposedly that and supercharger lost them their contracts! I didnt like burning red so much but I actually liked quite a lot of supercharger,... album was a lot "rawer" and true to the band members than the usual over produced stuff that comes out from lots of bands!

KoRn! Now that's really a story that makes me weep... At least I got to see them live before they released their newer albums. The "The Other Side" and "Untitled" albums really suck. They have let me down so much. I remember rocking out to KoRn as a little kid and now this ****! Their Unplugged album has really ruined it for me. I don't listen to them at all anymore.

KoRn! Now that's really a story that makes me weep... At least I got to see them live before they released their newer albums. The "The Other Side" and "Untitled" albums really suck. They have let me down so much. I remember rocking out to KoRn as a little kid and now this ****! Their Unplugged album has really ruined it for me. I don't listen to them at all anymore.


oh so should have mentioned that first up,...
I dont mind their newest untitled album defintely more progressive korn sound,... but at the very least its gone back to their old style a bit more...

too many bands sell out tho, limp bizkit, silver chair, grinspoon (a few aussie bands in there) the list could go on for a while...

The drums sucked in it, though I love Frantic and The Unnamed Feeling

KoRn! Now that's really a story that makes me weep... At least I got to see them live before they released their newer albums. The "The Other Side" and "Untitled" albums really suck. They have let me down so much. I remember rocking out to KoRn as a little kid and now this ****! Their Unplugged album has really ruined it for me. I don't listen to them at all anymore.

Arghhhh tell me about it. I used to LOVE KoRn... you know, Follow The Leader, Life is Peachy. Those albums were FANTASTIC. My Gift To You, Good God, ADIDAS, Got The Life, BBK... all amazing songs. But then they release all this new crapola and go completely downhill.

I'm ashamed to admit I even used to like them. I don't listen to them at all either now. I just can't stand anything new by them.

Lamb Of God: Sacrament, that was a let down.

when i listen to this album, i cant help but think, " is kirk still in the band?"
i mean i know EVERYONE is so tired of guitar solos, but jeez...

Quite possibly. Master of Puppets & And Justice For All were full of melodic ideas and intricate arrangements. The Black Album, Load and Reload were more like hard rock albums with solid songwriting. St Anger didn't seem to have the songs, the arrangements, the melodies, the riffs, etc. I think it could have been quite a decent album if every song had been half as long but as it stands it just gets SO boring.

Alex

Lamb Of God: Sacrament, that was a let down.

Maybe a bit overproduced, but that album grows on you.

[QUOTE=jerome_oneil;4793330]Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."QUOTE]

+1,000000000

I certainly hope everyone here is familiar with MATT SMITH'S ST. ANGER TRIBUTE (http://www.sinister.com.au/_dloads/ms_stanger/ms_stanger.php#). If you're not, click that link and listen. Hi-larious! He used a metal folding chair as the snare drum and copped the horrible snare tone on the record perfectly.

From reading the recordings forum the last few days I can't imagine that "St Anger" is any more hated than most of REM's stuff. Personally I have kind of lost interest in Metallica. I bought St. Anger and it's OK. The songwriting on "LOAD" and "RELOAD" is IMO the best they've ever done. I'm sick of metal.

From reading the recordings forum the last few days I can't imagine that "St Anger" is any more hated than most of REM's stuff.

Which I don't understand. Honestly, REM is a talented group of musicians, with good songwriting skill, IMO. I use them as an example of a band that understands more of less is better than less of more. By which I mean, they can have 7 instruments on stage (guitar, guitar, keys, bass, drums, vocals, backups, etc) playing very simple licks, but it builds up to create a big sound. They also helped invent indie rock. And yeah, his voice, as well as so much else about the band is very dramatic, but it was the 80's and the eairly 90's, pop music was like that.

But back to metallica, I agree that there hasn't been a good album since Master of Puppets. The magic stopped there, IMO.

I think it could have been quite a decent album if every song had been half as long but as it stands it just gets SO boring.

Alex

I actually agree with you on this one. Any decent riff on the album is ruined after hearing it half a dozen times. Still, this was just one of several problems on the album.

Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."
No love for And Justice For All? I'm sure we as bassists can be biased towards the production but IMO that's Metallica at their finest. Very interesting and complex structures. Too bad Metallica has dumbed down their sound on their subsequent albums.

Dont know how many of you know them, but the latest wildhearts album was fairly poor, only two good songs on it I think really.
was never the hugest tallica fan, well I cant stand them, but even to me St anger sucked, I thought the fast heavy riff of the title track had promise and might change my mind to them, but then I heard the snare and just generally the rest of the song.
Good to know somethings never change

I hate to say this, but I rekon you guys will hate the next album more. Have you heard their new stuff? Its horrible. Its like... nothing, its crap!

I heard a 'new song' that was bootlegged live and was meant to be them, sounded like his voice, sounded like a bad punk song i could only hear about 3 or 4 notes in the whole thing. but i think there was a cra**y solo

Letdown on St. Anger is nothing compared to:

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No love for And Justice For All? I'm sure we as bassists can be biased towards the production but IMO that's Metallica at their finest. Very interesting and complex structures. Too bad Metallica has dumbed down their sound on their subsequent albums.

+1 Justice... Ice cold production. Very dark and focused. Wouldn't have been the same with an audible bass. (yes i play bass.)

Some people* need to let everyone know that they were into metallica before they had a video on MTV.

*none of the posters here of coarse.

If you mean letdown in terms of the ratio of relevance, power and general "goodness"--then I would have to say SSD's "How we Rock". Just look at the cover art of it and compare "Get it Away" and you'll know what I'm talking about.

If popularity is a factor, then wouldn't one of Michael Jackson's later albums be up there? Looking at allmusic, I saw his last album came out in 1995, and was pretty big from what I remember (though I was 11 at the time, so I don't know). Then "Invincible" came out in 2001 around the height of the child molestation charges, money trouble, divorce, etc. It was supposed to be his big comeback and then it just disintegrated.

+1 on the Green Day and RHCP suggestions. A lot of people hate the newer stuff, but even those two don't manage to beat St. Anger.

Is St Anger the "biggest letdown" album of all time?


I'd like to answer that question by relating this personal anecdote. :smug:


I took an extra long lunch break from work and drove to the store to buy St Anger the day it was released. I unwrapped it and shoved the CD into my car stereo and cranked the volume. I listened to about 2 minutes of the first song and then, a bit disappointed, skipped to the second song. I listened to about 2 minutes of that song and, a bit more disappointed, skipped to the third song. I continued to do this until I hit the last track, and then I randomly jumped around the CD for about the next 5 minutes trying to find something on the CD that resembled what I remember Metallica sounding like. A few blocks away from arriving back at work, I ejected the CD and threw it out the car window. I gave away the DVD to some doofus 16 year old friend of my co-worker and I used the CD sleeve/booklet as a beer coaster until it got all putrid and then I threw it in the trash.


:spit:

For those into classic rock letdowns, Pink Floyd's The Final Cut was pretty much a steaming pile of poo, especially considering it immediately followed The Wall, with only Roger Waters desiring recognition for it.

It pretty much was a RW album, and he left immediately after that and neither Pink Floyd nor Waters made very good albums after that IMO (although everytime one came out it would be heralded as "The next Dark Side of the Moon".

For those of you that don't like new Metallica, because they sold out and Cliff would be ashamed, remember this. He once said in an interview "We do what we wanna do, if people consider that selling out, then, whatever". I am not a fan of St. Anger myself, but most of their stuff before was pretty good. but Cliff stuff was still the best.

For those of you that don't like new Metallica, because they sold out and Cliff would be ashamed, remember this. He once said in an interview "We do what we wanna do, if people consider that selling out, then, whatever". I am not a fan of St. Anger myself, but most of their stuff before was pretty good. but Cliff stuff was still the best.



I don't consider Metallica to have sold out. I also believe that they're making the music they want to make.


I just think it sucks, and I feel sorry for them because they've seemingly lost all trace of musical imagination they once had in abundance.

I've been a big Dream Theater fan for a while, and while Octavarium had some great songs on it, it just didn't strike me as being their best, especially when compared to A Change of Seasons and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.

I've been a big Dream Theater fan for a while, and while Octavarium had some great songs on it, it just didn't strike me as being their best, especially when compared to A Change of Seasons and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.

Finally, someone else who thinks Six Degrees ranks among DT's best work. I thought my brother and I were the only ones.

Speaking of Dream Theater...

I consider their first album to be the biggest letdown in music... ever...

Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."

But in this vein, Van Halen's "1984" completely sucked for those of us that love VH.

Are you serious? What about and justice for all.

I quit listening after Jason left, period.

"Calling All Stations" - Genesis
What a piece of crap!

Are you serious? What about and justice for all.

And Reload? And Garage Inc? And St Anger...

And Reload? And Garage Inc? And St Anger...

Garage Inc was great.
Buncha new and old covers?

I don;t know about Most Hated album of all times but I can say it is my least favorite albums by one of my all time favorite bands.

I think Saint Anger is a pretty cool album , good heavy riffage. Remember every Metallica album is their new take on heavy music , there sound is allways changing. :cool::bassist:

+1. I think all Metallica albums are great. They try something new, and if people don't like it, they know and they won't go back and I respect them for that. I can't wait for the new one!:hyper:

Check it out guys a Saint Anger song " All within my hands" being played by them acoustically ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRuYNnpIjHk

I am a diehard Metallica fan and I will be until the day I die... so it's with much prejudice that I say that I love St. Anger. The lyrics are great, the riffs are cool and it's really from the heart. The production is crap. That's the only thing that irks me.

I also loved Load and ReLoad. I'd hate for them to keep making MoP or the Black Album 5 or 6 times over. I like when bands evolve and grow and I think Metallica has done that well. I am really looking forward to the new album.

Yeah, Kill 'Em All is a horrendous record, but I really like St. Anger and Load/Reload, they are some of the best records Metallica has made imo! Garage Inc. was great too, especially Loverman!

:eyebrow:

I really liked Kill 'Em All. A bit rough, but still overall a great record to thrash too. It's by no means brilliant, but I like listening to it. I love Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets equally - they're two of my all-time favorite thrash / metal records. I can't really get used to And Justice For All... a few songs come across as borderline boring to me for some reason, but there's enough gems on that record to justify owning it.

Load was an interesting change in direction, but I didn't really like most of it. Reload was okay. Garage Inc. is one of my all-time favorite cover albums. St. Anger was awful. And seeing Some Kind of Monster didn't make me feel any better about it - it only emphasized my disappointment with what Metallica has become.

Out of all the albums I own, Metallica's St. Anger, Papa Roach's Getting Away With Murder, and all of my Korn CDs are the ones I plan on melting down with a blowtorch. I guess that's what happens when you combine friends' recommendations with a burning curiosity in what the albums are like beyond their radio singles. I'm starting to act like my cat. :scowl:

It's not the most hated album.

That prize goes to Britney's new album.

I stopped caring after the Black Album came out, but I have a friend who played the whole disc of St. Anger for me when it came out. I don't remember much about it. Sonically it was odd. Not bad, just wierd. There were sections that I thought were kind of cool but really there is nothing to hang your hat on.

Metallica hasn't had a good album since "Master of Puppets."

I'm the biggest Cliff fan ever but you're nuts, dude. AJFA... was an amazing album.

I never even gave St. Anger a chance. I watched that "Some Kind of Monster" DVD and I seriously wanted to cry/shoot myself/shoot Lars/stab Bob Rock/slap Dave Mustaine(:crying:).

Ugh.

St. Anger - EXTREME DISAPOINTMENT!
bob rock ruined the band, and now i think they are beyond repair. up till black album they were absolutely great. but then it all went downhill IMO. Garage Inc. was fun i'll admit. but really! Not looking forward to the new record, especially the flame wars that are bound to ignite upn leak/release...
Also, Jason's first band was better than mettallica IMHO, Flotsam & Jetsam rape face, especially "Doomsday..." the album jason was on (and wrote most of).
I also prefer most Megadeth to Mettalica, though, they started sucking around the same time, and still aren't great to this day i think.

As for disapointments, Powertrip by Monster Magnet. THEY SOLD OUT!!!!! that really pissed me off, all prior stuff is totally stellar, including Tab 25, but they ruined it and i refuse to listen to them post '95.
Speaking of Dave Mustain and Megadeth - Risk. Worse than the Load/Reload catastrophe IMO.
Corrosion of Conformity! Following up the great records that are Deliverance and Wiseblood with America's Volume Dealer... WHY!?!?!?!?!:bawl: Their '05 release was okay, but still have alot of ground to cover before they resume their prior greatness.
Queens of the Stone Age - Lullabies to Paralyze. I really dislike this album and it's radio cuts, thoguh theres a couple songs that are okay, it's nothing compared to the prior three QotSA discs, which, considering both Josh and Nick were in Kyuss, are kinda disapointments in themselves. Though i will say the QotSA debut is GREAT!!!

i apologize for the long post. Also, good call on Celtic Frost. And as bad as Cold Lake was, i think Monotheist made up for it, GREAT ALBUM!

Billy Idol - Cyberpunk (he's only average at most times to begin with, but god, what a horrid album)

The Clash - Cut the Crap

And I'll agree on the Green Day suggestions, and to some extent on the RHCP. I did, however, love Californication. It had a few weak tracks, but the title track, Porcelain, and Road Trippin' made most of it up for me.

with Metallica,you only need the first three.kill 'em all,ride the lightning and master of puppets.everything else is junk.ok some of the cover songs were fun.but thats it.

The music itself is very challenging to listen to for some but guys Saint Anger is one cool name though ! :cool:

The music itself is very challenging to listen to for some but guys Saint Anger is one cool name though ! :cool:

Really?

I thought it sounded like the name of a very cliche' "anti-hero" type from comic books. You know, the type who wears all black, fights demons, and the whole time spits out cheezy one liners better suited to an 80s action movie or to David Caruso. In fact, Caruso can play St. Anger when the film adaptation gets made. Michael Bay can direct, and then we'll be ready to know how Obi Wan Kenobi felt when we sense at once billions of brain cells crying out in terror, only to be silenced.

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They went from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prpJMrWhs) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4).


What ever happened to Celtic Frost ?

St.Anger is the only record I ever wrote a something about.

because I HATED it that much!!!!!

What ever happened to Celtic Frost ?

I'm guessing you're a fan of S.O.D.? :D

I echo Nino's feelings about St. Anger. Since sub-par/disliked metal seems to be a recurring theme here, I submit the dismal attempt by Paradise Lost to 'crossover' with their 2002 album 'Symbol of Life'. I still cannot wrap my head around what they were trying to accomplish with this one. 'Gothic' and 'Shades of God' are two great examples of this band's doomy/goth style, which I am aware is not for everyone. A head scratcher, if nothing else.

As for disapointments, Powertrip by Monster Magnet. THEY SOLD OUT!!!!! that really pissed me off, all prior stuff is totally stellar, including Tab 25, but they ruined it and i refuse to listen to them post '95.



Not too many people realize how awesome Monster Magnet is because Powertrip was the big album with Space Lord, but coming from a huge MM fan (I even like some of the Powertrip and onwards stuff), I agree. Dopes to Infinity was a life changing type of album for me.

They went from doing their own original take on space rock to just, I guess bar rock for lack of a better word.

HaHaha, hilarious and nightmare inspiring at the same time. I think bay might have actually used some stanger riffs in transformers.
Really?

I thought it sounded like the name of a very cliche' "anti-hero" type from comic books. You know, the type who wears all black, fights demons, and the whole time spits out cheezy one liners better suited to an 80s action movie or to David Caruso. In fact, Caruso can play St. Anger when the film adaptation gets made. Michael Bay can direct, and then we'll be ready to know how Obi Wan Kenobi felt when we sense at once billions of brain cells crying out in terror, only to be silenced.

Wow, I can understand the hate towards St. Anger (I, myself havent listened to it) but ...And Justice for All? I get the feeling this is because "lolz cliff wasnt on it"

Wow, I can understand the hate towards St. Anger (I, myself havent listened to it) but ...And Justice for All? I get the feeling this is because "lolz cliff wasnt on it"

Believe me, I wish that was my reason, but bass playing in general seemed to be absent on ...And Justice for All. It's almost as if no bassist was on it. :p

Justice is heavy, and has some great songs, but a lot of it feels very repetitive. Take the title track, for example. Nine minutes of music, and I'm bored by some of it... even though I love some of the riffs, and the lyrics are great, the riffs just keep repeating themselves.

Heck, most of the album is like that. They tried to be more complex than they'd ever been, and it didn't work - it ended up making a lot of songs sound the same. Shoddy production didn't help it much, either.

I wonder if the crowd reaction to it on tour has a lot to do with why Kirk Hammett said they'll never play the title track again? :eyebrow:

I'd like to add Queen's Hot Space album. Possibly the most non-queen album they produced. Yeah I'm all for trying out different things, but this just didn't work for me, and a lot of other queen fans.

Funny thing is, if it wasn't a queen album it would probably be ok. Should have released it under a pseudonym.

It's like Grease 2 or Dawn of the Dead were crap compared to the original films, but on their own merits they were enjoyable flicks.

But then Batman Forever and Batman & Robin will always be crap.

But then Batman Forever and Batman & Robin will always be crap.

Don't you think you're being rather kind to those abominations? :p

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They went from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prpJMrWhs) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4).

I remember them from the early-mid 80's - what happened, did they get possessed by the soul of Ratt???

Yeah, Kill 'Em All is a horrendous record, but I really like St. Anger and Load/Reload, they are some of the best records Metallica has made imo! Garage Inc. was great too, especially Loverman!

WTF??!??!! Kill Em All RULES!!! :bassist:

Horrendous!!! No wonder you like St. Anger and Load/Reload!

with Metallica,you only need the first three.kill 'em all,ride the lightning and master of puppets.everything else is junk.ok some of the cover songs were fun.but thats it.

+11111111111111

did anyone else hate dream theaters "systematic chaos" ?

RHCP- Anything after BSSM, really. It was good, and not much after that compared on any kind of level. Californication didn't deserve the praise it got, and I honestly think that Stadium Arcadium is one of the highlights of 'sell outs.'

I hate it when people say this, all pre BSSM (bar one hot) were amazing albums. I don't see how they sold out at all with stadium?

I don't blame Metallica for changing their sound, I mean it was enivitable, thrash/speed metal reached its peak during the 80's...they had to change, they said in interviews how it become tiring to play the "justice" songs on tour. As far as the rest of their stuff is concerned I thought "the Black Album" was a way out for them so they could experiment with a different sound.

I haven't heard "St Anger" but I am going to get it now, I have always liked amature and punkish recordings so maybe I will like it, I'm actually a little excited about listening to it.

Maybe I will be let down in the same way as when I got "One Hot Minute" - that album had some interesting parts but something was missing.

HI

Maybe the most forgotten?

Rob

mm I think that both singles were OK (Frantic and St Anger, don't know if there were more), although I have to say that Load is one of my favourite albums from Metallica :O

and yes, Batman & Robin is pure crap... especially for the Bane part

I dunno...

I remember when Kill 'Em All, Lightning and Master came out, and Metallica were just two whiskers away from owning the world... well, that's what it seemed like to us metalheads anyway. Justice was quite an album. Yes the production was dodgy but it was the first "mainline" attempt to take metal beyond the formula that was developing. It was a truly exciting time for metal, and Metallica was a big reason. Does the album hold up? Not as well as the initial impressions led us to believe - I agree some of the songs are way too long and the musicality of it has become a bit suspect to my ears over the years.

But, Metallica lost me with the Black album. It reeked too much of knuckle head arena rock in terms of songwriting and production. Plus, it's not like James was ever that great a singer. His limitations became much more obvious and annoying to me. Skipped Load, Reload, Turd, Returd and all others based on what I heard on pop radio.

Fast forward. St. Anger caught my attention because of all the negative reviews it got. If it pissed off Metallica 2.0 fans so much , how bad could it be? I like it, actually. Is it flawed? Oh yeah, they still don't know when to end a song, and their writing is still incostistent, but at least they made some genuinely emotional music for the first time in years. ENERGY! The production is challenging, harsh, but ultimately musical to my ears - since when is metal supposed to be safe?

Of course, IMO.

I don't blame Metallica for changing their sound, I mean it was enivitable, thrash/speed metal reached its peak during the 80's...they had to change, they said in interviews how it become tiring to play the "justice" songs on tour. As far as the rest of their stuff is concerned I thought "the Black Album" was a way out for them so they could experiment with a different sound.

I haven't heard "St Anger" but I am going to get it now, I have always liked amature and punkish recordings so maybe I will like it, I'm actually a little excited about listening to it.

Maybe I will be let down in the same way as when I got "One Hot Minute" - that album had some interesting parts but something was missing.

Be sure to let us know what you think.

Oh, and I'd add Turbo by Priest as a candidate for the most hated metal album.

Oh, and I'd add Turbo by Priest as a candidate for the most hated metal album.

i had forgotten about that until just now. i kinda wish you didn't remind me:p

WTF??!??!! Kill Em All RULES!!! :bassist:Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

I did.

I still don't hear what you're hearing. :p

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

what's so bad about kill 'em all?

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

Dude I've been listening since 1986 or so. I've covered several of those songs in bands, and the album rocks.

Dude.............Kill 'Em All is amazing. What are you talking about.

Disappointing? Hell yes!

But here's a great mockery of St. Anger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVbjYeeCiU

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

Fall to your knees... and bow to the Phantom Lord!!!!

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.

:hmm: Kill 'Em All was the only good Metallica album.

I honestly liked Metallica, I got into them after their "sell out" part of their career, and didn't care much when people told me they were sell outs. I liked the music, mostly the stuff from the first 3 albums (Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were OK I guess, but I didn't like many songs at all) but a few from the Black Album as well.

Then St. Anger came out. Since I got free tickets I brought my lady friend along as she was a much bigger Metallica fan than I. Now, I'm one of those people that hate the people at shows that either a) wear the shirt of the band thats playing or b) buy the tour shirt and wear it over their regular shirt. Since it was a metal show I decided that an Iron Maiden shirt wouldn't be out of place. I was heckled.:hmm: So strike 1. Strike 2 was the car ride when I actually listened to St. Anger.

So what if I didn't like the album, they're still going to play their hits as every band does when they reach a certain point. So we're at Nassau and then they start playing. We waited a long time. Sound was terrible (it was intentionally low I think so people would think that their cheers were so loud as to drown out the band) Then when they played they were god awful. Not only did they play their new songs, they decided to butcher their old songs as well. Hell, Leper Messiah was the only song I liked off of Master of Puppets and they screwed it up terribly. Stopped. "Uh... sorry about that one..."

After that I quit Metallica all together and I've hated them since.

the biggest letdown i've ever heard
was Type O Negative's Dead Again

every song has an overly long intro that serves no point, and the songs are crap

Not exactly hatred but...

Angèle Dubeau's Violons du monde scores high. The title means "Violins of the world", but it also means, without changing anything, "Let's rape people".

Such a nice christmas gift.

in my personal opinion St Anger was a kick arse album, totally different to any of there other stuff!

Listen again. Kill 'Em All is horrible.



Agreed. I don't see why it gets the props it gets. Everything that is cheesy about metal is on Kill 'em All. I listened to it not too long ago and find myself embarrassed that I use to like it! :eek:


... still think it's better than Saint Anger though.

Agreed. I don't see why it gets the props it gets. Everything that is cheesy about metal is on Kill 'em All. I listened to it not too long ago and find myself embarrassed that I use to like it! :eek:


... still think it's better than Saint Anger though.



Yes its cheesy, but you got to remember when it came from.... thats like saying the bells/rain intro to 'Black Sabbath' is cliched...of course it is NOW, but back then it was fresh and vital.

You got to remember 'Kill 'Em All' is now almost 25 years old, maybe you were around when it came out, maybe not, I was and at the time it was like a hammer blow to the head. To look back now and say that it is dated or 'Cheesy' is kind of lame...would metal today be the same without it, or 'Black Sabbath'? I seriously doubt it.

BTW St Anger really isnt that bad, if you really believe it is thats fine, what I hate is people rubbishing a band just because it is cool to do so...

besides if you don't like it... don't listen!!!

Yes its cheesy, but you got to remember when it came from.... thats like saying the bells/rain intro to 'Black Sabbath' is cliched...of course it is NOW, but back then it was fresh and vital.

You got to remember 'Kill 'Em All' is now almost 25 years old, maybe you were around when it came out, maybe not, I was and at the time it was like a hammer blow to the head. To look back now and say that it is dated or 'Cheesy' is kind of lame...would metal today be the same without it, or 'Black Sabbath'? I seriously doubt it.

BTW St Anger really isnt that bad, if you really believe it is thats fine, what I hate is people rubbishing a band just because it is cool to do so...

besides if you don't like it... don't listen!!!



Black Sabbath is one of the greatest bands ever, in my opinion. If Black Sabbath released their self titled album today, I'd consider it just as innovative. And Sabbath put a little more thought into their lyrics than:



The show is through, the metal's gone, it's time to hit the road
Another town, another gig, again we will explode

Hotel rooms and motorways, life out here is raw
But we'll never stop, we'll never quit, 'cause we're Metallica


How is that not exactly like every sunset strip hair metal song about how life on the road is tuff, but we ROX so we totally rule, lolz.

And Kill 'em all doesn't sound like anything revolutionary musically: Venom, Motorhead, Judas Priest were essentially doing thrashy stuff before Metallica. And even though Slayer released their first album shortly after kill 'em all, I think they had more to do with metal's progression, but that's opinion.

I guess my main beef is the awful lyrics, though.



This thread wasn't made to exclusively bash St. Anger either, it was suppose to be a thread discussing musical disappointments. Getting yourself hyped that _______ is putting out a new album, only to be fed a **** sandwich.

If you're saying Metallica didn't do anything for metal, you are sooo wrong! How cannot the 6th biggest selling act in all of america influence music? St. Anger wasn't a great album, but I think people are over-reacting about how much it sucks. You shouldn't hate a group of musician for developing, or in this case just experimenting.

I LOVE metallica, and especially their 80's stuff. Black album was okay, but then they kinda went off the metal and began to play normal rock, I'd say. I like some of the songs on Load & Reload, but Metallica always have had a lot to live up to, and it's not always easy to create the same brilliant music again.

Why not just love Metallica for who they were instead of hating them now?

PS: Matt Till, those lyrics are nothing metallica would ever write :P

metallica is metallica...they will my forever band in this world...

If you're saying Metallica didn't do anything for metal, you are sooo wrong! How cannot the 6th biggest selling act in all of america influence music?

I don't think Matt Till is saying they didn't do anything - he just doesn't think they did as much for what metal became. Metallica has drifted significantly from where they started over time, and they haven't exactly had many followers - they've pretty much become their own thing. Sure, they're cited often as an influence, but how many big metal bands can you think of that actually have a strong presence of Metallica influence in their music as opposed other influences?

On a side note, IMO, Kill 'Em All wasn't Metallica's golden contribution to metal. That spot's reserved for Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets.

And yes, "Anesthesia" was great, but the rest of the album is a hard-hitting thrash album that doesn't drift too far off from the movement of the time. So it's more of a flag-bearer for the genre than a revolutionary album. The next two albums, of course, are a different story.

St. Anger wasn't a great album, but I think people are over-reacting about how much it sucks. You shouldn't hate a group of musician for developing, or in this case just experimenting.

It's a failed experiment in my mind. And I have plenty of other reasons to not like Metallica nowadays... :p

Why not just love Metallica for who they were instead of hating them now?

It's hard to do when you really think about what they've done for (and against) the fans in the last 15 years... it'd be different if they'd "faded to black" already. :p

PS: Matt Till, those lyrics are nothing metallica would ever write :P

Have you never listened to "Whiplash"? :D

...thats like saying the bells/rain intro to 'Black Sabbath' is cliched...of course it is NOW, but back then it was fresh and vital.

It's still awesome.

Earlier in this thread I said I was excited about listening to St Anger for the first time, well I've listened to it and I have mixed feelings about it;

Firstly, it's really a rock album I think -with metal moments, it doesn't have any metal chararistics outside of the tremelo picked parts and these parts are in a rock context.

My main gripe with it is that its fatalistic, it doesn't break out of that mold set by many bands from the early 90's onwards who would carry a vibe of singing from some poor individuals point of view who has been judged by an uncaring society etc. I'm not really into that kinda thing anymore. At least some of there earlier material was empowering, ie - metal.

Some good things about it; each song while being maybe a bit long always has some interesting riff or part that comes in just when you are begining to lose interest. Also the title song has more raw emotion than perhaps any of their previous songs, though that doesn't nessassarily mean it's better.

The instrumental song sounds like something from 'Vitology' or 'No Code'

Thats pretty much all I can say about it.

WTF??!??!! Kill Em All RULES!!! :bassist:

Horrendous!!! No wonder you like St. Anger and Load/Reload!

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I SO agree with this!

The Black Album is ok, but that started the decline, IMO.

Load, ReLoad, and St. Anger: They all suck. no ifs/ands or buts about it. They suck. period.

:bassist:

I think the biggest letdown album of all time for me was Back in Black (AC/DC), with Ram it Down (Judas Priest) and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (Iron Maiden) also being pretty high on the list. I remember being mightily disappointed with Rush's Grace Under Pressure when it came out, though now I like the album as a whole. I still hate Red Lenses, though.

As for Green Day, I've been a fan since the first time I heard Basket Case back in the 90s, and I think American Idiot is absolutely brilliant, but I also get annoyed with kids who think they're new on the scene.

St. Anger wasn't a disappointment to me at all. I haven't really liked any Metallica since the Black Album, and I only liked part of that, so I didn't have any false expectations for St. Anger. I was kind of surprised at the hatred it generated though.

I think the biggest letdown album of all time for me was Back in Black (AC/DC), with Ram it Down (Judas Priest) and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (Iron Maiden) also being pretty high on the list..

I agree with 7th Son and Ram It Down, 7th Son marks the point where I stopped listening to Maiden, and I was a *BIG* fan before that.

I always liked Back in Black though - big difference from Bon Scott, but hey, consider it a different band and you're ok. Not quite as sharp a demarcation as Van Hagar vs. Van Halen, and their post-Bon stuff did rock pretty hard too, just different.

I agree with 7th Son and Ram It Down, 7th Son marks the point where I stopped listening to Maiden, and I was a *BIG* fan before that.

I always liked Back in Black though - big difference from Bon Scott, but hey, consider it a different band and you're ok. Not quite as sharp a demarcation as Van Hagar vs. Van Halen, and their post-Bon stuff did rock pretty hard too, just different.

i wasn't around for the release of seventh son, but they certainly got their act together when bruce came back for brave new world and a matter of life and death. dance of death although mixed poorly imo still had some great songs. actually, looking at the track list for seventh son i just realized that i like alot of songs from that album too.

i wasn't around for the release of seventh son, but they certainly got their act together when bruce came back for brave new world and a matter of life and death. dance of death although mixed poorly imo still had some great songs. actually, looking at the track list for seventh son i just realized that i like alot of songs from that album too.

I just can't get into their newer stuff. I want to like it, because I was always such a huge fan, but the newest one just seems like they're trying too hard to be what they used to be, but they fire is gone and they're almost just going through the motions. 7th son, as well as Somewhere in Time and Powerslave, were all too focused on Bruce and Adrian's songwriting - I was always a bigger fan of Steve and Dave's stuff. The first four albums (self titled to Piece Of Mind) were the best and will always be the best IMHO.

I saw them twice, once in '84 for World Slavery and once on the 7th Son tour. I'd love to see them again, but I think their fan base around here has dropped so much that they'll never be back in my neighborhood again.

My biggest (and only! as a fan, at least) disappointments were... get ready... the Who's Face Dances and Glass & Wire or whatever it's called. I've only listened to those albums halfway through once each, and I wish I'd not spent my "hard earned" money on them :/

I just can't get into their newer stuff. I want to like it, because I was always such a huge fan, but the newest one just seems like they're trying too hard to be what they used to be, but they fire is gone and they're almost just going through the motions. 7th son, as well as Somewhere in Time and Powerslave, were all too focused on Bruce and Adrian's songwriting - I was always a bigger fan of Steve and Dave's stuff. The first four albums (self titled to Piece Of Mind) were the best and will always be the best IMHO.

I saw them twice, once in '84 for World Slavery and once on the 7th Son tour. I'd love to see them again, but I think their fan base around here has dropped so much that they'll never be back in my neighborhood again.
I always thought Powerslave was their best album, but I think the best song they ever did was Paschendale (Smith/Harris). I don't think they can possibly put together another run like they had with their first six albums, but I think the last couple are great, but then I really like when Steve and Adrian team up to write. It should be noted that I am wearing my Killers tee as I type this. :)

I think Seventh Son is a very consistent and atmospheric album, I like all their stuff right up to No Prayer For The Dying.

Ehh, I don't really like St Anger, I can take it about one song hits thats all. However I really like all their over work. IMO Load/Reload is some of their most interesting work as its nice too see how the bands sound had progressed from the Kill 'em All. Other than St Anger the only album I don't really enjoy is ..And Justice for All, I find the production just flat out annoying and theres maybe two songs that I really enjoy on it.

I like ST. Anger okay, but I don't really listen to it a whole lot. I'm not really a metal guy anyway. However, I have recently jumped head-first into Mastodon, and I'm absolutely blown away by those guys. I need to find more stuff like that.

I always thought Powerslave was their best album, but I think the best song they ever did was Paschendale (Smith/Harris). I don't think they can possibly put together another run like they had with their first six albums, but I think the last couple are great, but then I really like when Steve and Adrian team up to write. It should be noted that I am wearing my Killers tee as I type this. :)

Aside from not having Bruce on vocals (I like Dianno a lot but Bruce is clearly the better singer) I'd have to say Killers is my fave. I wanted to buy the Killers shirt but was worried I would scare my kids so I got the one with Eddie playing Steve's bass instead. :bassist:

seventh son of a seventh son was my first maiden cd...and its my favorite!

yes st anger is horrible

Just wanted to let you guys know that I bought my third copy of Saint Anger last night ! :bassist:

Did the other two spontaneously combust in a fiery cloud of suck. :D

No, seriously... why buy 3 copies?

Did the other two spontaneously combust in a fiery cloud of suck. :D

No, seriously... why buy 3 copies?

Because I wore them out. Fortunately I found this copy used in mint condition for $5.99. I have an extra dvd from it want me to send it your way Matt ?

Just wanted to let you guys know that I bought my third copy of Saint Anger last night ! :bassist:

...:hmm:

Because I wore them out. Fortunately I found this copy used in mint condition for $5.99. I have an extra dvd from it want me to send it your way Matt ?



That's alright... :o:D



How do you wear a CD out?! :confused: I think something is wrong with your CD player. I've listened to some CDs relentlessly for years and they're fine. I'd look into a new CD player, unless you're just rough on your CDs.

I've heard that Pornograffiti by Extreme is the most-returned album ever, considering the amount of people who bought it for "More Than Words" and found lame "funky metal".

I believed the hype os S:t Anger and bought it without listening to it first. Sure it was harder and faster than the Loads but man did it ever suck. The Load cd's are ok in their own right. Sure, it was confusing at first since its not what one would associate with Metallica (back when they did release these albums) but given a chance they both grew on me. S:t Angers does have some riffs that are ok but overall it's really really bad in most aspects (songwriting, the playing, the vocals, the lyrics etc).

I can't even remember anothe rband coming this close to missing the mark so completely.

Green Day- Essentially everything after Dookie, but the ambsolute success of American Idiot amongst kids who thought Green Day were a new band just kind of burned something deep inside those of us who actually new them before.

Modest Mouse- We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank. Again, this probably had something to do with its success amongst noobs, but I honestly just didn't like it as much. They were better as Angry Indie Rock then as Dance-Pop-Indie.

Radiohead- Hail to The Theif. I love the hell out of this album, but I know a lot of fans who go back to Pablo Honey days that hate it.

RHCP- Anything after BSSM, really. It was good, and not much after that compared on any kind of level. Californication didn't deserve the praise it got, and I honestly think that Stadium Arcadium is one of the highlights of 'sell outs.'

Weezer- Make Believe. WHY!? Why Weezer? The Blue Album was awesome. Pinkerton was awesome. Hell, even the Green Album was great. But this?

I do realize that none of these are even close to the scale of St. Anger. None of these albums were as openly hated, none of them were even that bad, but you asked for albums that pissed off die hard fans. There you go.


Californication was praised because john frusciante had returned and they were good again. Dave Navarro didn't fit the band and took them to places that people didn't like (this is reflected in sales). In terms of 'selling out' I think that they are more commercially accepted because of their longevity and the fact that they have mellowed out. I don't think they intended to "sell out"

Just my opinion :)

That's alright... :o:D



How do you wear a CD out?! :confused: I think something is wrong with your CD player. I've listened to some CDs relentlessly for years and they're fine. I'd look into a new CD player, unless you're just rough on your CDs.

In the case of St. Anger the cd didint come in a jewel case so it frequently fell out of the case getting banged up in bags.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5236/t1coldlakeus9.jpg

They went from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prpJMrWhs) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4).

Pretty hard to argue with that, at least in metal circles.

For me Rush's Hold Your Fire was a bit of a personal letdown. I was really into Tool before Lateralus came out, but I just couldn't get into that one for some reason.

Load totally turned me away from Metallica.

My biggest disappointement ever is when larry lalonde left possessed for Primus. You know, that sucked big time


oh and Exodus - Tempo of the damned is pretty bad too

I think the biggest letdown album of all time for me was Back in Black (AC/DC), with Ram it Down (Judas Priest) and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (Iron Maiden)

Pardon?!?!?!

7th son of a 7th is the pinnacle of Iron Maiden's career. It is their best album. Go to www.metal-archives.com, on this site, people are extremely harsh with albums a little bad, and hell this album got a average score of 97%.

Pardon?!?!?!

7th son of a 7th is the pinnacle of Iron Maiden's career. It is their best album. Go to www.metal-archives.com (http://www.metal-archives.com), on this site, people are extremely harsh with albums a little bad, and hell this album got a average score of 97%.

I respectfully disagree... it may have been produced during the pinnacle of their career, but they had made their three absolute best albums long before 7th Son came out. In no particular order:


Number of the Beast
Piece of Mind
Powerslave


7th Son is good in its own right, but it doesn't hold a candle to those three albums. Ever wonder why their current tour looks like THIS?

http://www.ironmaiden.com/images/news/poster.jpg

The diehard fans know what era of Iron Maiden rocked the hardest and looked the coolest. And yeah, they'll play some stuff from 7th Son. But read up (http://www.ironmaiden.com/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=664) on what they're doing for the theatrics and stage design. ;)

I believe this would be the most hated album for my ilk

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc50/Ryco56x/talkbass/frampton.jpg

metallica fans who hated and continue saying they hate St. Anger, are not TRUE metallica fans.

I respectfully disagree... it may have been produced during the pinnacle of their career, but they had made their three absolute best albums long before 7th Son came out. In no particular order:


Number of the Beast
Piece of Mind
Powerslave


7th Son is good in its own right, but it doesn't hold a candle to those three albums. Ever wonder why their current tour looks like THIS?

http://www.ironmaiden.com/images/news/poster.jpg

The diehard fans know what era of Iron Maiden rocked the hardest and looked the coolest. And yeah, they'll play some stuff from 7th Son. But read up (http://www.ironmaiden.com/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=664) on what they're doing for the theatrics and stage design. ;)
Powerslave/Piece of Mind...nothing's better.

Seventh Son was amazing, but it's still hyped from the Powerslave era.

Anyway, it's all good...

except for NPFTD & Virtual XI. :(

metallica fans who hated and continue saying they hate St. Anger, are not TRUE metallica fans.

IMO anyone who will blindly support a group releasing subpar music are not TRUE music fans. But if you honestly like something like a St. Anger and aren't just saying it to be loyal to the band, than I can't argue that.

BTW I consider myself a true Metallica fan and I don't like St. Anger. I always look forward to a new Metallica release.

IMO anyone who will blindly support a group releasing subpar music are not TRUE music fans. But if you honestly like something like a St. Anger and aren't just saying it to be loyal to the band, than I can't argue that.



Beat me to it. Honestly how can anyone blindly devote themselves to a band. If you like anything Metallica releases just because they released it (and not because it's music you like): You're not a Metallica fan, you're a moron.

That is not a stab at anyone who likes St. Anger, if you like it, more power to you, but if the only reason you like it is because it's a Metallica album... not cool. I still think all those who say, "I love Metallica but everything after Justice sucked" are still true Metallica fans.

This album was also well hated by my peers

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc50/Ryco56x/talkbass/kcthesunshi_kcthesuns_103b.jpg
But I kind of liked it (don't tell). The beginning of Disco

Pardon?!?!?!

7th son of a 7th is the pinnacle of Iron Maiden's career. It is their best album. Go to www.metal-archives.com, on this site, people are extremely harsh with albums a little bad, and hell this album got a average score of 97%.

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