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learning_towalk
10-20-2007, 03:26 PM
Can anyone ID this for me? thanks

bassedsouth
10-20-2007, 04:42 PM
I stand to be corrected but that's probably wood :D

T2W
10-20-2007, 06:03 PM
quickly looking at the bark, it looks like Ash, but you really need to show what the wood looks like from up close.

Rodent
10-20-2007, 07:09 PM
an image of the leaves would really be of significant help in a proper identification

R

Yellow
10-21-2007, 01:37 AM
Bark looks like many things, Oak, Maple few others, leaves would be great or the other side of the log where you can see actual grain of the wood, a close up up the end grain can help too.

learning_towalk
10-21-2007, 09:57 AM
here's a pic of the end grain...can't get leaves pics because my buddy who is clearing his land gave this to me as an example...nothing fancy to it but it smells good...He thought that it was a black walnut tree (found a few walnut shells around it) but it's a very light color like maple so I didn't know...thanks for the help guys

T2W
10-21-2007, 10:10 AM
that might be too light in color to be oak, it looks a lot like Ash.

waseok
10-21-2007, 11:39 AM
Man, there are so many god damn trees out there, why it would be ash?

T2W
10-21-2007, 11:44 AM
because it looks like Ash? what the hell? d'you ever wonder why Ash is basically the cheapest hardwood in North America? because there are so god damn many !

waseok
10-21-2007, 03:58 PM
wait wait, i didnt say that in a hostile way or something :D peace man
its just, i dont understand how would you prove that, those are really insignificant pictures for wood identification. And saying that its ash only because there are so many of it is not really correct. It may be cedar or something. (does ash smells?)

LeoFenderBender
10-21-2007, 04:26 PM
an image of the leaves would really be of significant help in a proper identification

R

Spoken like a true dendrologist.

T2W
10-21-2007, 05:28 PM
Ash smells, all trees smell when freshly cut. Ash smells sweet.. I dont think the picture of the grain is that insignificant, especially the light brown part near the bottom, but we'll let Larry elaborate when he gets on. sorry for my arrogance. Peace out.

learning_towalk
10-21-2007, 11:43 PM
I'm with you guys, I wish I could see the leaves, then I could prob. I.D. it...thanks for everyone's help...I'm just going by what I was given...He said the tree was about 43" around and prob. 45 feet tall...I wouldn't mind if it were ash...can make a lot of body blanks out of that much ash, lol

PilbaraBass
10-22-2007, 01:48 AM
that's Treeaforus Identificus...commonly known as the "what the..?" tree

awesome tone wood! ;)

Mr. Majestic
10-22-2007, 10:03 AM
There are many trees I am not familiar with in Tennessee, but looking at the bark with it's tight and deep ridges it has all the characteristics of ash. The wood at first glance most definitely appears to be ash. Some other possiblities, but not very strong ones, are elm, hickory, butternut, and chestnut. The combination of bark and wood don't line up for these though. It would be alot easier if there were a better picture of the wood and definitely a picture of the leaves.

JSPguitars
10-23-2007, 01:21 AM
Swamp ash rules! :p Sorry guys, just trying to prolong writing a paper as long as possible....
We'd sure like to see how much of this potential 'ash' you're going to get (please don't tell me for FREE :mad:), so we can gauge, exactly, how jealous we should be.
More pics, more pics.:D

learning_towalk
10-23-2007, 08:28 AM
well this tree was about forty feet tall, straight as an arrow, he said it was around 48" around...so figure some where in the ball park of 650 board feet...Yah he's giving it to me for free...We actually went out looking for black walnut and he ended up cutting this one down because he thought that is what it was....I am paying 22 cents a board foot to get it milled.

Mr. Majestic
10-23-2007, 10:14 AM
Maybe you can post some pics of the wood when you get it milled. I can tell you for certain that it is not walnut. It could be one of the other nut bearing trees though, I'm just not that familiar with Tennessee native trees.

Yellow
10-23-2007, 11:11 AM
Based on the pix I would vote Oak, however look closely at the edge grain and inspect it for tiny pores that run between the growth rings if so then definitely Oak, Ash we have here doesn't have this kind of bark but tons of Oaks do, so does Western Big Leaf Maple when fully mature.

Mr. Majestic
10-23-2007, 12:36 PM
I can say with some confidence that it is not oak. The color of the wood and the grain is not the correct color for oak. A mature ash tree has deeply serrated diamond shaped ridges.

T2W
10-23-2007, 04:45 PM
relatively small too, like Maple.

allenhumble
10-23-2007, 05:27 PM
What about Poplar?

Smallmouth_Bass
10-23-2007, 05:32 PM
Maple does not have bark like that.

T2W
10-23-2007, 06:16 PM
I was saying Maple has small ridges like that. That is not Poplar.

Greenman
10-23-2007, 06:26 PM
I say Poplar. Smaller younger trees have a smoother bark but older mature trees can have that rough of a bark closer to the stump.

Greenman
10-23-2007, 06:37 PM
Just googled this
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://project.bio.iastate.edu/trees/campustrees/images/PopAlb/PopAlb_brk.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://project.bio.iastate.edu/trees/campustrees/PopAlba/PopAlb_bark.html&h=360&w=487&sz=86&hl=en&start=31&tbnid=hWeTBYP0a4T9EM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpoplar%2Bbark%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2% 26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Smallmouth_Bass
10-23-2007, 07:04 PM
We should start a thread with photos of the tress that are actually used in instruments (not cut down - alive).

I know what maple looks like, certain popular and alder, but I have no idea what a mahogany, wenge or bubinga tree looks like.

Rodent
10-23-2007, 07:43 PM
We should start a thread with photos of the tress that are actually used in instruments (not cut down - alive).

there have been a couple threads like this ... and a quick search will easily dig them up

all the best,

R

p.s. my bet is that this is river birch - you can easily see the resemblence in the bark color

Just kidding guys ... but then you probably can't see this, eh?

Mr. Majestic
10-23-2007, 08:37 PM
Wow, what fun. I choose silence until better pics.

Mr. Majestic
10-23-2007, 08:39 PM
Well, maybe one more. This is where an "office pool" is needed. My bet is ash.

Smallmouth_Bass
10-23-2007, 09:24 PM
there have been a couple threads like this ... and a quick search will easily dig them up


And here it is:
Tree Photos of Wood (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313952&highlight=Tree+Photos+wood)

Smallmouth_Bass
10-23-2007, 09:30 PM
I've always been curious about the use of maple. What type of maple is most commonly used in bass necks? For example, red maple seems to grow a lot slower than other maple. Is it harder than other maple? Weigh more?

Except for Godin, I have never seen a manufacturer specify the type of maple they use (rock maple, silver leaf maple).

pjwalsh
10-23-2007, 09:36 PM
My opinion is ash or red oak based on the bark and grain pattern and color. White oak bark is lighter in color and has less depth. Hickory is also out on bark basis. Poplar is out based on grain pattern. Most likely ash.

If you can still see or remember the brush, the terminal branches on ash have a different form than oak - where they intersect is a cross ----|--|-- whereas oak terminal branches begin at different locations along the bough - like this ---'--,--.

pjwalsh
10-23-2007, 09:41 PM
The wood used in necks is generally rock maple, also called sugar maple. It has higher stiffness than most other maples. Red maple is actually a relatively fast growing hardwood, less dense and less stiff and is a reasonably good choice for a body - In the lumber biz red maple is called soft maple. Not sure whether soft maple includes silver maple or not. USDA wood handbook is a good source for the lumberyard names of common species.

Mr. Majestic
10-23-2007, 09:50 PM
Ok. Maybe a couple of more. Here is a couple of links to support the ash claim:
http://www.oplin.org/tree/fact%20pages/ash_white/ash_white.html
http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/White_ash/fraamebs.jpg
http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/subimages.cfm?SUB=3284

Smallmouth_Bass
10-23-2007, 10:39 PM
The wood used in necks is generally rock maple, also called sugar maple. It has higher stiffness than most other maples. Red maple is actually a relatively fast growing hardwood, less dense and less stiff and is a reasonably good choice for a body - In the lumber biz red maple is called soft maple. Not sure whether soft maple includes silver maple or not. USDA wood handbook is a good source for the lumberyard names of common species.

I am basing my experience on the maple trees I have in my yard! :)
The red maple grows slower than the other maples. Maybe rock maple is even slower.

The Godin website lists silver leaf maple as a body wood for the passive Freeway basses, which would likely be a soft maple.

Yellow
10-24-2007, 01:48 AM
I can say with some confidence that it is not oak. The color of the wood and the grain is not the correct color for oak. A mature ash tree has deeply serrated diamond shaped ridges.

I am not going to argue it seems a lot like Oaks I see around here and split grain doesnt really tell much. If you see a board you can tell rightaway or if you can see smooth cut, bark can be similar to a lot of things.

T2W
10-24-2007, 05:19 AM
Ive got a nice Ash log in the yard, ill try to post pics of it tonight... because it looks exactly like the picture the op posted.