Hey Ray,
How much do you know about the double thumb technique? I've been trying to teach myself using videos from youtube and such, but i just can't get the hang of it. Is there a big secret to doing it? Is there a certain part of the thumb you're supposed to use on the "up slap"? I appreciate any advice you can give me.

Thanks,
Jake

Jake
I actually have a video lesson covering the double thumb technique at the online bass mag I write for. The link is www.bass-musician-magazine.com
Just go to "previous issues" and select the October/November 2007 issue, you will find a link to the lesson. If you still have any question I'm more than happy to help.

The mag is great, there is a wealth of info regarding all aspects of bass playing and just being a musician in general.

Man it's crazy how people with your kinda skill still find time to help out the ones who'r still learnin. thanks a lot man, im sure the mag will be great help

Damn double thumbing's hard. I find half the time I either hit too much of the string so my thumb doesn't go through to the string below, or that I just completely miss it altogether! any advice on how to improve consistency?

I am having the same issue. I tend to always smack the next string. Real tough to get down.

Damn double thumbing's hard. I find half the time I either hit too much of the string so my thumb doesn't go through to the string below, or that I just completely miss it altogether! any advice on how to improve consistency?

REPETITION!!!!!! keep on keepin on!

I;m starting to get it a little bit. I find it easier to set yourself a goal. I set my goal as the beginning of classical thump. I'm still a bit sloppy on my triplets but I'm getting there. It seems easier to set a goal then just noodling around. I also try to just throw some double thumping in there when I'm jamming with my brother.:smug:

+1 on repitition advice, practice makes perfect.

I just "fiddle" with slap, but on a 4-string, double-thumbing doesn't seem too hard.

For me, the "trick" is to slowly thumb-slap more "across the string" than "at the string", and feel my thumb come to rest a) on the fretboard and b) against the next string. Obviously, here, I'm talking about the first half of the double-thumb. In my "minds-eye", I sort of picture my thumb going "under" the next string (D if I slap on A), between the string and the fretboard. After really "feeling" my thumb come to rest per "a" and "b" above, then I speed-up.

Now, as for my left-hand technique - let's not go there...

why not? I want to know ur left hand technique!

TAKE ME THERE NOW LOL
just kiddin bro

The problem I seem to have (yeah, never really got double-thumbing down) is that I play 5string almost solely and my left thumb's a hefty size...and I can't physically get cleanly between the strings to get the upstroke! apart from speeding up my standard thumpin', have any of you guys got hints/tips?

I have a warm up for consistency, with TAB here-

http://jasperlamb.googlepages.com/doublethumpingwarmupexercise

I can't do it at all myself. My thumb barely extends straight as it is. I am the farthest thing away from hitchiker's thumb ever.

The problem I seem to have (yeah, never really got double-thumbing down) is that I play 5string almost solely and my left thumb's a hefty size...and I can't physically get cleanly between the strings to get the upstroke! apart from speeding up my standard thumpin', have any of you guys got hints/tips?

I'm no expert but have been practicing double thumbing for a while and it is a bit like muscle memory. Do exercises and after a while your fingers seem to figure out a way. I good double thumbing exercise from the MarloweDK (playbassnow.com) site where you play through the major scale and down (C), up(D), pop (E), down (F),up (G), pop etc to the octave and and back up the scale if you know what I mean. Although not ideal it is still possible on the close strings of a 5er. I play an inbanez prestige 5 and although more difficult it is possible if you keep practicing. I find your hand needs to relax and that only comes as you get better with practice. Hope that helps.

All of the above are great advice.
I just wanted to also add that for me just using more of the tip of my thumb helped me when learning double thumbing. Specifically if you view your thumb as a map, you would use the NW portion of the thumb for both the down and upstroke. The more area of the thumb used the more it's likely to get "stuck" and/or slow you down. You just really want to "brush" by the string just enough to get it to ring. Keeping your thumb rigid while having a relaxed wrist action is very advantageous. I will say it took me awhile to really get a feel for it so just hang in there. As with everything it just takes practice and soon it will become part of your vocabulary.

It's all about "raking" (grazing) the string with your thumb and learning to do it "upward and downward", that's all. Don't intellectualize about it too much, just keep working on it.

Learn how to make your thumb rake the desired string downward and come to rest on the string below it. Try this on each string, until you get the hang of that first. Once you can get that down clean, then you can try going down, then up. Takes time to get it down clean.

I recently saw a Wooten vid on Youtube where he is showing double thumbing. I have been practicing it a lot and I to am having probs with it. I can go up (GDAE) reasonably well but going down (EADG) is slow and choppy. And then if I try to play something using that it can get even worse cause right now I am having to concentrate to keep the thumb going down/up instead of down/down. So for the most part I am practicing it with just open strings. :( Should I continue to do that until I can get the mechanics of it smoother and more second nature, instead of having to think about it, or should I try to start playing something with it even as rough as I am right now with it?

Ive completely gotten the double thump down, however it seems very awkward playing octaves when im slapping on the E string. any advice here?

i am admittedly not great at this- but- after a couple years of just double thumb action- i have- in the last 2 weeks- gotten the index finger into play- very pleased. there are a couple things that i find/found helpful:

playing over the fretboard is easier for me- more consistent- controlled- smaller range of thumb movement. i had pretty long fingernails when i had my breakthrough moment- and that helped me understand what grazing the string was- how much force i should be using. try it with your bass really high up too.

i had back surgery in september- so ive spent a ton of time flat- in bed. it caused my bass to ride up higher and pushed my right hand from the pickup to fretboard. i have since gained mobility- and it is trickier off your back- but i think of playing flat as training wheels. once you work the pluck in- you will "get" how its done. i cant play like ray or wooten- but at least i know how they do it- as opposed to just understanding the mechanics in slow motion.

also- someone mentioned thumb shape- and while i only have experience with my thumbs- it does seem like itd be tough to do if your thumb cant at least comfortably maintain a 180* angle- but that might just require a change of wrist position. in any case- heres a picture of my thumb- which im now realizing would make an awesome hand turkey.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o404/tool460002/HandTurkey.gif

I been playing around with this and I have my downstrokes down but my upstrokes they sound weak. The only way to get a good upstroke is if I use do the upstroke with the middle of my thumb nail under the string. Do you only want to use the NW portion as Ray said?

I been playing around with this and I have my downstrokes down but my upstrokes they sound weak. The only way to get a good upstroke is if I use do the upstroke with the middle of my thumb nail under the string. Do you only want to use the NW portion as Ray said?

I have the same problem, going down is doable but after weeks of trying I still didn't find a way to make my upstrokes acceptable.

I have a warm up for consistency, with TAB here-

http://jasperlamb.googlepages.com/doublethumpingwarmupexercise

i'm gonna use that!

Hi all
Just wanted to say that at first you might have to exaggerate the technique so yes, it is ok to use more than just the NW portion of your thumb. As this gets more comfortable and speed develops you can use less and less "real estate" of your thumb. Of course this is all subjective and you want to do what feels right for you.
Lastly I'd like to add that double thumbing took me a long time to get down so hang in there. It's just something that takes awhile to get use to. Keep thinking of your thumb as a pic and make sure there is no movement, the motion should come from your wrist.
Hope this helps....

Ray

It took me a real long time to get it down.
I figured out my mistake was trying to apply the technique i haven't got down to complex licks.
How i finally nailed it was taking it simple, just adding a triplet or something every few measures to a groove. Slowly but surely applied it to more and more of my playing.

Thanks guys for all these tips... I can go up and down fine.... but I am just curious because it doesn't sound at all like a traditional slap. Should I be doing it harder? Maybe the 2 different styles are just supposed to sound different, but my sound sounds almost like using fingers, but I can do it fairly well (I played fingerpicking guitar for 10 years before this). Just wondered though if it is supposed to sound like traditional slapping?

Thanks so much!

The Vic video was the best for me. I'm getting much better and can really start playing around. I'm extremely pleased and now much left hand is having to work harder to keep up.

It was really tough and I thought it would never be as easy as many folks I saw just wailing............I said I just cannot, but then one day, I was trying to sneak by with hammer ons........then accidently started to do it and kept after it.

I just used the thumb and then messed with some scales.
Then started to work in the other 3 fingers slowly.

I had trouble in the lower ranges initially.
This too shall come and it opens up a lot of potential rhythmically. Beat that thumb into submission.

Lighten up and relax and crank up the volume also, that helped.
The upstroke also shall come.
It's still a somewhat new feeling initially.
But run up and down and try to focus a bit on the up and down strokes. Mine like pretty much everyone, was slop and monkey puke initially.
It did not come as fast as the initial feel, took more time to clean it up.

Using it on the lower ranges seemed to help.

I'm trying to get use to different string spacings on a Mod 6 string, vs the 4 strings I'm much more use to. I also wanted to give up here and say I'm just a 4 string player, but with some will, you can do most anything. If I can, I know some of you folks certainly can and really master it. Do not let this devil beat you. It takes longer to get than many think, but it worth the effort. How many players have you met that say, "naw........it took me a long time and it was not really worth it.........."??

None I've seen.

Now if I can just get both parts together for Linus and Lucy:mad:
I can die happy. I can play all sorts of tapping routines etc, but that one gets me, that's my devil to beat.




Tom