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509BeeRbeLLy 02-28-2008, 12:20 PM Hi folks,
Well, the years have gotten away from me and now at the ripe old age of 44 am I tossing around the idea of learning the bass so I am looking for some experienced advice. I have always loved the bass guitar from my teen years on and have never played a musical instrument.
I am also interested in the drums and feel I would be good at it, but at my age I fear the wear and tear on my body would not be too pretty...plus I believe the learning curve is probably longer for drums. Anyway, as I mentioned, I have never played an instrument but my 10 yr. old son is taking guitar lessons and I pick up little bits and pieces here and there from his lessons (although I don't pay attention to it to the degree that he does-after all he is taking the lessons not me. lol)
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So, can you guys fill me in on the difficulty level to learn bass guitar? Of course, at my age I'm not out looking to shred the world with a metal band or anything so that isn't my ambition. Mainly to play rock classics with an older group, or a church group and to jam a little with my son. I know I would need to practice, but again at my age with a family I won't be spending hours a night like some younger guys can.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask a potential teacher to make sure they are a good fit for my goals, etc?
Thanks for any help.
iScott 02-28-2008, 12:23 PM I say go for it! Playing with your son will def be great motivation. I think that would be so cool. In terms of difficulty, if you're just doing basic stuff and root notes, it's much easier than guitar. Good luck!
bassbrock 02-28-2008, 12:26 PM Nah, your too old. Give it up! Life is over for you anyway, haven't you retired already?! Jeez...
I'm kidding of course! Go for it! Our lead guitarist is 56 and plays better than most kids half his age!
jdwinva 02-28-2008, 12:26 PM You are never to old to learn new things and to have fun! And 44 is not old.
jsingles 02-28-2008, 12:26 PM youre never too old!!
What you will be needing to do first is get some calluses on your fingers, and get used to plucking bass strings. Look for some simple hand exercises and work from there.
like iScott said, if youre just sticking to some basics for now, it shouldn't be rocket science, but you can have alot of fun with it!
Dmanlamius 02-28-2008, 12:33 PM You're a young'un compared to people I teach!
I've taught a fella in his 70's before, who went on to gig every Sunday in a jazz band. He's still going strong now!
Have a look at some of the beginner lessons on my blog. All the starter stuff is there:
www.Dmanlamius.com
Oh, and do the hand and tendon excercises!:)
Start slow. IF you rush into things, and dont achieve what your mind says you SHOULD be achieving, you may get disheartened, and give up. With practise and persistence, you can achieve anything...
Let us know how you do!
rappa29 02-28-2008, 12:37 PM You are never to old to learn new things and to have fun! And 44 is not old.
+1. :bassist:
Phalex 02-28-2008, 12:41 PM Do it! I'm 41 and love playing bass for fun and profit. You might want to look into a wireless set up for your bass though. You don't want to trip over a cable and break a hip!
Marcury 02-28-2008, 12:46 PM Well you know that old saying, You can't teach an old dog new tricks, but you can lead him to water... :p
Go For IT!! Don't worry about learning curves or difficulty, just get a bass and start. As far as teachers, just tell them what you told us as far as your goals and make sure they understand.
iScott 02-28-2008, 12:47 PM You don't want to trip over a cable and break a hip!
:smug: :D
martyman5000 02-28-2008, 12:49 PM I'm 42 and love playing bass...buy a bass book for dummies and a few lessons and see if you like it.
Orangeclawhamme 02-28-2008, 01:37 PM I'm 55 and just got my bass in November as a retirement present to myself. Don't let these punk kids discourage you!
LowDown Hal 02-28-2008, 01:46 PM I bought my first Bass late last May. I was 50 at the time. Since then I take a weekly lesson and practice almost every day for an average of about an hour.
It's a great time !!!!!!
jsingles 02-28-2008, 01:47 PM I'm 55 and just got my bass in November as a retirement present to myself. Don't let these punk kids discourage you!
right on :)
John Webb 02-28-2008, 01:50 PM Do it!!!!!!
I got a lot of encouragement from TB'ers 2 years ago when I asked the same question.
I'm just starting to gig now.
I'll be 54 in June.
Good luck!
corradoc 02-28-2008, 01:52 PM Absoluetly do it!
Playing music has gotten me through a lot of life's rough patches. Not sure where I'd be without it - plan on playing till I can;t get out of bed...
Also, music engages all sorts of creative/intellectual faculties that we don;t get to use in day to day life.
I feel sorry for people that think they're "too old" to do stuff. Almost like their spirit is gone....
GreggBummer 02-28-2008, 01:59 PM I am only 35, but I started taking lessons again this past year. I am learning more now as an adult. I am more focused, and have a more mature attitude than when I was 13. I think, at 44, you will pick up bass more quickly (in some respects) than you would have as a teenager. You will certainly not waste time or money buying crap gear, playing with the wrong people... you have a lifetime of experience to draw on.
Music will keep you young.
To address the drums vs. bass issue. I vote bass. Not because I play bass (I play drums a bit too). This is a practical issue. If you buy a bass and a small amp, you can still play after everyone is in bed. Most amps come with a headphone jack. However, if you try to practice your triplets and paradiddles on a set of drums... you may find yourself living in the garage. That being said, drums don't put that much "wear and tear" on your body. Hell, ask some of the guys/girls here about strapping on a Fender Jazz for a few hours... that monster can wear you down.
Good luck.
jollygiantchris 02-28-2008, 02:05 PM Obviously this is a lot younger then you but I started when I was 21 and when I went to my teacher he was relieved he didn't have another kid for lessons lol
Go for it man.
BillMason 02-28-2008, 02:39 PM Hi folks,
Well, the years have gotten away from me and now at the ripe old age of 44 am I tossing around the idea of learning the bass so I am looking for some experienced advice. I have always loved the bass guitar from my teen years on and have never played a musical instrument.
I am also interested in the drums and feel I would be good at it, but at my age I fear the wear and tear on my body would not be too pretty...plus I believe the learning curve is probably longer for drums. Anyway, as I mentioned, I have never played an instrument but my 10 yr. old son is taking guitar lessons and I pick up little bits and pieces here and there from his lessons (although I don't pay attention to it to the degree that he does-after all he is taking the lessons not me. lol)
So, can you guys fill me in on the difficulty level to learn bass guitar? Of course, at my age I'm not out looking to shred the world with a metal band or anything so that isn't my ambition. Mainly to play rock classics with an older group, or a church group and to jam a little with my son. I know I would need to practice, but again at my age with a family I won't be spending hours a night like some younger guys can.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask a potential teacher to make sure they are a good fit for my goals, etc?
Thanks for any help.
The learning curve doesn't have so much to do with the instrument as it does with the person learning it - some people are naturally better equipped for drums than others, some better for piano, sax, bass, guitar, etc. But anyone can learn *some* instrument, in my very serious but ever so humble opinion. Age has nothing to do with it.
See if you can rent a bass and amp from your local store for a weekend and try it out. Then do the same with one of those electronic drum kits and a small amp (and get some headphones). See for yourself which you believe you have the better feel for, and take it from there. If neither, try keyboards, guitar, etc.
I think jamming with your kids is a great idea!! My 7 year old turns 8 on Monday, and he's been begging for a Squier Mini Strat, so that's what he's getting. He'll only make noise on it for a while, I know, but so long as he enjoys it - which is how *you* should also approach trying out some instruments!
Don't expect virtuosity at first, just make some noises, dig the sounds the instrument makes, play around with tone and technique, look at yourself in the mirror to see if you look cool, etc. :)
nortonrider 02-28-2008, 02:39 PM Don't listen to these guys.
You missed the boat, at 44 You're too old to learn anything new now.
Give it up, move to Florida and put your efforts into the front lawn.
BillMason 02-28-2008, 02:40 PM Do it!!!!!!
I got a lot of encouragement from TB'ers 2 years ago when I asked the same question.
I'm just starting to gig now.
I'll be 54 in June.
Good luck!
Awesome!!!!!! Way to go dude!! :)
cowsgomoo 02-28-2008, 04:26 PM you're only too old if you think you're too old
Orangeclawhamme 02-28-2008, 04:39 PM you're only too old if you think you're too old
If that's the case, you better think again!
I more or less picked up the bass at 40 (the two months I spent at 22 don't really count), had my first gig at 41, and am still enjoying myself at 43 and plan to go on as long as possible. Do it.
Tired_Thumb 02-28-2008, 05:56 PM By the time you're 54, you'll have been playing 10 years, more than enough time to put on enough skills to convince people you've been playing since at least your teens, depending on how you practice. I'm only 24, been playing since I was 21 (granted, I've been a musician previous to that), and I'm amazed in how much I've learned in just these short years. Of course I'm not the world's greatest bassist, but I have more than enough skills to gig with most bands who throw a gig my way.
jumbosilverette 02-28-2008, 06:06 PM 51 here. Took it up two years ago, though I had previous music experience. I'm playing my first paid gig Sunday. It's only too late if you're dead and buried.
Octoberpunk 02-28-2008, 06:09 PM Even a 75 years old grandma can learn anything..
clarifixer 02-28-2008, 06:20 PM "Gofer it, youngster!" ....said the old f**t about to turn 60. You're never to old to have a groove.
chasfr 02-28-2008, 06:43 PM Currently 53, started just a couple of years ago. I have fun, and I bet you will too. The only thing to watch out for is repetitive stress injuries, which can be a little more of a problem for us old folks. Get a teacher who can make sure you're using correct ergonomics, and remember to use a light touch.
Do it!
Chas
mijust 02-28-2008, 10:07 PM Let me tell you, Please just go for it. I was 54 when I bought my first bass. I didn't know how to hold the damn thing. That was 3 years ago. After taking lessons from a great teacher and reading everything I could find and spending hours upon hours of practice time. I now can hold my own a little. I'm having the time of my life just learning how to play. I am now retired and now looking for a new career in a jazz band soon.
Now get off this site and go Practice.
Laredo 02-28-2008, 10:25 PM Do it! I'm 41 and love playing bass for fun and profit. You might want to look into a wireless set up for your bass though. You don't want to trip over a cable and break a hip!
LOL!!!!...........Wait a minute, I'm 43.............:bawl:Guess I'll have to look into wireless now:scowl:
RiddimKing 02-29-2008, 12:51 AM " think jamming with your kids is a great idea!! My 7 year old turns 8 on Monday, and he's been begging for a Squier Mini Strat, so that's what he's getting"
I dunno: unless your kid has unusually small hands, I'd say get him a regular sized Strat (Squier, etc.)--if he digs it, he's going to outgrow that mini really fast. And, at 8, he's just at the right age to start lessons.
509BeeRbeLLy 02-29-2008, 09:30 AM Thank you all for your very speedy and insightful replies! I guess for me, it's just the fear of the unknown and all, but I am seriously considering it. I think the biggest fear for me is learning to read music. I see what my son is going thru and I think "holy crap..what is all that?" LOL
I am going to talk further with my son's guitar teacher about who he would recommend for a teacher (I don't think he teaches bass). It is really a comfort to see all the older guys who have just gotten into it and knowing that there are other older farts out there that were in my same "shoes" at one point.
dlloyd 02-29-2008, 09:48 AM To address the drums vs. bass issue. I vote bass. Not because I play bass (I play drums a bit too). This is a practical issue. If you buy a bass and a small amp, you can still play after everyone is in bed. Most amps come with a headphone jack. However, if you try to practice your triplets and paradiddles on a set of drums... you may find yourself living in the garage.
Actually, that's not such a problem.
With drums, rudiments can be practiced on a decent practice pad, which is fairly quiet. Drum kits can be quietened with the use of drum mutes, which cut the volume by around 90% (if you believe the manufacturers), which isn't enough to allow you to practice while people in your house are in bed, but should cut complaints from neighbours.
G-sound 02-29-2008, 10:39 AM Don't fear the music! If you can get a teacher who can show you basic song structure, basic chord structure, and how to start feeling the groove, you'll be ready to fly. Learning to read music is a good goal, but you can play tons and tons of good music while you learn.
I'll be 47 in April and just started learning bass last summer. I played with one of our church bands a couple of times for Christmas. Nothing fancy, just tried to hold the bottom end and mostly stay with the drummer.
I wish I had the $$ for lessons, but for now I use a few books, the internet, and a tool for slowing songs and looping phrases. If you have the chords to a song, you can play along while you train your ears.
Just DO IT!!
jholanda 02-29-2008, 11:05 AM And 44 is not old.
yeah, I am also 46 and I am not that old :-P
COOL AND DEADLY 02-29-2008, 11:12 AM You should absolutely pick up the bass. I started at 32 and had similar reservations. I play in a band now and hope to do so for the rest of my days if i am able.
txbasschik 02-29-2008, 11:21 AM Go for it!!! I didn't pick up the bass until I was 39. I'm 45 now, and always working to learn new things to be a better player. I've achieved the respect of my peers and our fans, and am feeling pretty good about my playing.
Get a teacher who will start you on the basic fundamentals, and build on those. That's what I did, even after five years of being self-taught. The scales, the scales, the scales...they are the keys to everything.
My teacher has me pick a key signature every day...E, C#, whatever...I go in order up the neck. He has me practice the natural major, the minor, pentatonics for both, and blues scales, and he has me sing each note. Then I set my acoustic bass on its butt and fret (no picking) the scale, as if it were an upright. Then I'm to deconstruct the scale, trying to create patterns and riffs with each one. I do one key sig per day. I also squeeze a jack ball between my thumb and pinkie on my fretting hand, to increase the strength in my pinkie.
You can do it, man!!! Git 'er done!
Cherie :bassist:
Do it! I began 6 yrs ago at 39 with no experience after watching my 5 yr-old daughter start piano. I'm lovin' it! Started my 1st band about a year ago. We play out several times a year and jam a few times a month. Practicing relaxes me-it's my escape. BUT-IME you MUST commit to an hour per day (or more) of practice, virtually every day. It takes longer to learn at our age, but it's very doable. If you have the discipline to stay with it, you'll be amazed every 6 months when you evaluate how far you've come. Other advice is to get a good teacher. It was among the truly best decisions of my life.
Steelers Fan 02-29-2008, 12:56 PM Thank you all for your very speedy and insightful replies! I guess for me, it's just the fear of the unknown and all, but I am seriously considering it. I think the biggest fear for me is learning to read music. I see what my son is going thru and I think "holy crap..what is all that?" LOL
Don't let the fear of reading music scare you off. I started playing bass at 40. It was birthday gift from my wife. I couldn't read bass clef that well at the time. I initially learned playing by ear along with the wife on piano. It's amazing how much you can teach yourself with the help of bass books and this great TB forum:).
Three years later, we now perform as a family with my son on drums and daughter on 2nd keyboard. We have a blast and you will too playing along with your son:hyper:. I've just now started taking some lessons and working on my sight reading.
You can do it. Go for it!!!
tonedeafmike 02-29-2008, 05:01 PM I'm in the same boat as you. I'm 44 and just started about a month ago. Why not give it a shot? The worst thing you can do is be terrible at it and then not get invited to play at Red Rock or asked to sub for Flea. I have to admit though....with no musical background it's a very humbling experience. I'm using parts of my mind and body that I've never really worked out before. Weekly lessons and about an hour of practice each day are making it a very rewarding experience.
shatterd 03-01-2008, 03:44 PM In 4 years you'll be asking the same question,....am I too old at 48 to learn how to play bass. Now let's assume you decide to go ahead and get started at 44. Imagine how good you'll be at 48 with 4 years under your belt....if you get started now.
I'm 40 myself and just bought my first bass after playing a bit of guitar for the past 2 years.
McHaven 03-01-2008, 04:27 PM When I was still teaching, I had a student who just started learning at the age of 50. There's no reason anyone is ever too old to learn instrument (barring physical impossibilities).
Whatever you do, just make sure you have fun with. Try and take a couple lessons with a professional teacher and make sure you're using good technique. Bad technique will create problems a lot faster for an older guy. Be sure to stretch and warm up before you play.
It's great that you're wanting to jam with your son too. That was also my student's motivation. Nothing like a family band! :p
bullshark 03-01-2008, 05:18 PM Just a bit of warning thought: you will probably learn slower, on average, than kids or teenager so don't be too hard on yourself if the abilities don't come as fast as you thought or hoped (late forties myself so I know firsthand). With patience and dedication the rewards will come thought, and it isn't a race to see the one who learn the fastest anyway. There is no better personal rewards than, after weeks of trying, suddenly realizing you can play that piece that you've been agonizing over for weeks.
steve66 03-01-2008, 05:40 PM I am 41 started Playing Bass almost 3 yrs ago. Ive played drums for 29 yrs. My 10 yrs son wanted to learn to play the drums, so I thought it would be a good to play the bass to give him experience jamming while I taught him. Its working out pretty good. It has brought us closer together. I am jamming with a few other 40 somethings (everyone is looking for a bass player) Your never to old to learn. I would recommend a teacher for a few lessons so you don't learn any bad habits. I would also recommend that you learn to read music and get out there any play with as many other musicians as fast as you can. Good Luck
ScottyBrandon 03-01-2008, 08:53 PM My Dad gave up his furniture refinishing hobby to take up the bass guitar and he is 67. He just started and has no music experience at all but he has time and tonnes of patience. I say go for it and don't look back.
kebbs 03-01-2008, 08:57 PM I think that you almost have an advantage being "older". At your age, you know what you want to get out of this experience, and your goals can be set with greater determination. Your focus is less likely to be affected.
Audiophage 03-01-2008, 09:44 PM If you think you're too old.
509BeeRbeLLy 03-03-2008, 07:52 AM Thanks everyone again for the replies....I think I might give it a go. I am going to talk to my son's guitar teacher about recommending a teacher, and in the meantime maybe pick up some beginner instructional books and review the studybass.com site.
shatterd 03-03-2008, 09:21 AM check out www.workshoplive.com
I have found that to be an awesome site for online lessons...especially if you are a beginner.
You've got to be kidding me. You're only 44 and you're already concerning yourself with physical limitations in regards to playing the drums? Man, I'm coming up on 43. In addition to playing bass (and schlepping my gear all over town), I surf, snowboard, play drums, guitar and keyboards (at home), ride bicycles, play racquetball and try to keep up with two pre-teen boys. I don't spend one second worried about how long I'll be able to keep it up. My life is happening NOW so I'm going to live it.
If it's drums you really want to play, get yourself a set and start playing them. Don't play bass because you think the learning curve is less steep because it isn't. Your best chance is to pick the instrument you are most drawn to because the more interested in it the more you will want to play. Look in to the careers of drummers such as Elvin Jones and you'll see that many cats play well in to their senior years.
PS I'm not convinced that this thread isn't BS because I don't know anyone close to my age that thinks like that.
shatterd 03-03-2008, 08:18 PM You've got to be kidding me. You're only 44 and you're already concerning yourself with physical limitations in regards to playing the drums? Man, I'm coming up on 43. In addition to playing bass (and schlepping my gear all over town), I surf, snowboard, play drums, guitar and keyboards (at home), ride bicycles, play racquetball and try to keep up with two pre-teen boys. I don't spend one second worried about how long I'll be able to keep it up. My life is happening NOW so I'm going to live it.
If it's drums you really want to play, get yourself a set and start playing them. Don't play bass because you think the learning curve is less steep because it isn't. Your best chance is to pick the instrument you are most drawn to because the more interested in it the more you will want to play. Look in to the careers of drummers such as Elvin Jones and you'll see that many cats play well in to their senior years.
PS I'm not convinced that this thread isn't BS because I don't know anyone close to my age that thinks like that.
Yea Chad Smith of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is 47 now and he can destroy a set of drums. Plus I don't think he's retiring anytime soon as he is still one of the best out there!
bullshark 03-03-2008, 08:37 PM Yea Chad Smith of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is 47 now and he can destroy a set of drums. Plus I don't think he's retiring anytime soon as he is still one of the best out there!
Yeah, but he didn't start playing drums 3 years ago, there is a difference. It is harder to learn new thing when you're past 40, it is harder to develop new physical abilities and takes a longer time.
The good news is an older person usually has more patience, I know I do so I know to give myself the time necessary for new skills to develop.
Yeah, but he didn't start playing drums 3 years ago, there is a difference. It is harder to learn new thing when you're past 40, it is harder to develop new physical abilities and takes a longer time.
You're missing the point. He said he was concerned about the potential wear and tear on his body. 44 ain't "old". It's barely half-way through your life. I'm not convinced that developing physical abilities such as playing a musical instrument is more difficult past the age of 40 but, as with most things, I'm sure that would be true for you if that's what you really believe.
The good news is an older person usually has more patience, I know I do so I know to give myself the time necessary for new skills to develop.
I hope you're not implying that someone at the age of 44 is considered an "older person". :help:
bullshark 03-03-2008, 09:23 PM You're missing the point. He said he was concerned about the potential wear and tear on his body. 44 ain't "old". It's barely half-way through your life. I'm not convinced that developing physical abilities such as playing a musical instrument is more difficult past the age of 40 but, as with most things, I'm sure that would be true for you if that's what you really believe.
Yet it is a thoroughly researched and proven fact.
I hope you're not implying that someone at the age of 44 is considered an "older person". :help:
All relative. The best age to learn and develop those skills is when a kid, well, 40+ isn't old age but it isn't kid territory anymore.
Howlin' Hanson 03-03-2008, 10:20 PM I think you should be able to learn technique and the fretboard without too much trouble.
What I seem to be having more trouble with these days (I be 58) is memorizing song lyrics. :help:
txbasschik 03-03-2008, 11:05 PM Thanks everyone again for the replies....I think I might give it a go. I am going to talk to my son's guitar teacher about recommending a teacher, and in the meantime maybe pick up some beginner instructional books and review the studybass.com site.
Bass Guitar For Dummies has great scale charts. They shone the light for me, you know?
I also love the Progressive Series for Bass. I still use my copy when I want to bone up on something.
Cherie :bassist:
509BeeRbeLLy 03-04-2008, 07:38 AM You're missing the point. He said he was concerned about the potential wear and tear on his body. 44 ain't "old". It's barely half-way through your life. I'm not convinced that developing physical abilities such as playing a musical instrument is more difficult past the age of 40 but, as with most things, I'm sure that would be true for you if that's what you really believe.
I hope you're not implying that someone at the age of 44 is considered an "older person". :help:
OK, let me rephrase...I'm concerned about potential FURTHER wear and tear with respect to issues I already have with my legs, feet and other associated aches and pains. I don't weigh a buck-seventy five any more like I used to...not that THAT should have a great deal to do with it, I just tend to believe that not being so thin anymore would be more of a hinderance than a help.
Anyway, I am drawn to BOTH instruments and have been so for many years. Actually the bass was the first instrument I was ever interested in, but as sometimes life goes it just gets past you when you should have acted on it.
leftybasswtf 03-04-2008, 07:49 AM I would say if you're not partial to any intrument in particular --learn piano! Even a intermediate keyboardist is in demand. But, no, you're def. never too old to learn.
For bass my only advice would be learn to play with bass drum. Lock in with that bass drum NO MATTER WHAT. Learn the major scale, minor scale and blues scale. That would be enough to make you decent.
ToddC 03-04-2008, 07:50 AM I'm 55 and started playing bass last December. I just started taking lessons online with Ariane Cap via musicvirtuosity.com
Its friggen GREAT!!!!!!!!
Some day I gotta thank Al Gore for the internet.
Don't be a fool DO IT!!!!!!!!
Start groov'n with your son - What a blast :>)
phektus 03-04-2008, 07:54 AM Why the hesitation? You're not even middle age! Go for it!
ustabawannab 03-04-2008, 07:57 AM I'm going to give you just a word of caution here.
I'm 50 and I got back into bass about 2 years ago. I had past experience, playing in a part time club band about 18 years ago. I had no problem getting my chops back. I worked with a teacher for my first year back to bring back my theory. This last year I've been getting my timing back and improving my technique.
The biggest problem I'm having is finding other musicians in my age group to play with that will tolerate the fact that I don't have 20 years of experience behind me. When I investigate opportunities, they expect me to know a 100 songs or for me to pick up a song in 5 minutes.
I'll eventually land somewhere but I gotta tell you its hard to compete with kids half my age that have 10 solid years of experience behind them.
txbasschik 03-04-2008, 08:54 AM I'm going to give you just a word of caution here.
I'm 50 and I got back into bass about 2 years ago. I had past experience, playing in a part time club band about 18 years ago. I had no problem getting my chops back. I worked with a teacher for my first year back to bring back my theory. This last year I've been getting my timing back and improving my technique.
The biggest problem I'm having is finding other musicians in my age group to play with that will tolerate the fact that I don't have 20 years of experience behind me. When I investigate opportunities, they expect me to know a 100 songs or for me to pick up a song in 5 minutes.
I'll eventually land somewhere but I gotta tell you its hard to compete with kids half my age that have 10 solid years of experience behind them.
I've encountered problems due to lack of experience, too. I had to work twice as hard to prove myself, because I didn't (still don't compared to many) have a catalog of songs I already knew. I had to (still do) work hard on being able to jam, being able to pick up on a song without knowing it.
's the only way 'round that, to be honest. I'm lucky that there are a lot of older players around here, and that this area has a very tolerant attitude, for the most part, towards musicians in my situation. Very, very, very lucky.
Cherie :bassist:
peter G 03-04-2008, 10:36 AM I played for a few years in my late teens, quit then started again when I was 45.
I'm glad I got back into it, playing in a church praise band is the best type of situation for me.
I have some physical troubles (carpel tunnel and nerve damage from factory work) that slow me down. But I keep it simple and try not to over do it and I'm ok.
So by all means go for it if only for your own satisfaction. Jam with your son, try some band type situations most of all have fun and learn.
Yet it is a thoroughly researched and proven fact.
Where can one view or hear those "researched and proven facts"? We don't all agree on TB about what attributes of bass playing and musicianship get the highest marks, yet we're supposed to subscribe to some undisclosed studies and trust that their results present us with undisputed "proven facts"?
All relative. The best age to learn and develop those skills is when a kid, well, 40+ isn't old age but it isn't kid territory anymore.
What skills are you referring to? Sure, I'll give you the fact that, athletically speaking, our bodies are at their physical "peaks" early-on in life and I'll also give you the fact that memory retention *might* be an issue later in life. That said, someone who has lived 40+ years has very likely listened to and absorbed quite a bit more music than a teenager. Of course, this will vary from person to person but I think it's a safe bet to say that, on the average, someone who is 40 has had more exposure to music (grocery store muzak, radio, LPs, CD's, movies, video games, live performances, clubs, etc.), than someone who is 20.
Naturally, there is quite a bit of muscle memory and other physical factors involved when learning and playing a musical instrument but even more important is the reservoir of music that is built up inside us. The end goal of playing an instrument is to transfer the music inside of us through our instruments and the larger your musical reservoir, the more you're going to have to say with the instrument.
I teach bass to students of all ages and levels and in my observations, there really isn't much of a connection with a person's age and how fast they pick things up barring factors associated with the extremes on either end. Some grown ups pick it up like gang-busters while some kids struggle and vice-versa. The most noteworthy thing about learning, younger and older, is the learner's attitude about it. The ones that are having fun and love to play will always do better and those qualities are not age-discriminatory.
IMO, there is no "best age to learn and develop". Everyone is different and everyone develops in their own time and in their own way. For all of us, there's only the present so the best time to start playing an instrument is the present.
OK, let me rephrase...I'm concerned about potential FURTHER wear and tear with respect to issues I already have with my legs, feet and other associated aches and pains. I don't weigh a buck-seventy five any more like I used to...not that THAT should have a great deal to do with it, I just tend to believe that not being so thin anymore would be more of a hinderance than a help.
I hear you but, if you get some lessons and do it correctly, playing the drums should not put wear and tear on your body. Same story with the bass. Doing either incorrectly could cause injury, whether or not you are at your recommended weight.
mwhite89 03-04-2008, 11:51 AM Hi,
I seldom post but could not resist this one. I am 54 years of age. It always stuns me when I here people limit themselves due to age. Society has really done a good job of mind-screwing up when it comes to age. I first picked up the bass in 1968, played for about five years, then stopped until about seven years ago.
The problem with the mind and body is not age, it is lack of use. I have found that my progress is directly proportional to the amount of practice I put into the instrument. Today we have athletes playing at the highest levels into their forties. You mentioned that you are no longer "a buck seventy-five", Why not?! We loose because we do not use. One of the best things you can do for your mind is to try something completely new. [COLOR="Black"]A healthy mind is capable of learning until you draw your last breath. You also bring maturity and a sense of purpose to this endeavor that a younger guy does not poses.
In addition, it is so much easier to learn the bass today than when I started at the age of fifteen; the electronic world is a great thing. No longer do you have to listen to distorted vinyl trying to learn parts. It is so much easier to record and listen to yourself today. We tend to think that it is the natural course of nature for us to decline mentally and physical with age. This is not wholly true! Today you have 70 year old people running marathons. On a personal note, I had triple bypass surgery in September of 07. The outcome is truly unbelievable. The doctor attributed the outcome to my years of working out, and my attitude about life. Our thought life becomes our reality. If we think we can not do, then we can't.
Play the bass. I would love to be able to play with my son. If you dedicate the practice time you will be amazed at the progress you will make.
Grace and Peace
Maurice (The bedroom Bass Player; but a good one):bassist:
mgreenwa 03-12-2008, 11:28 PM I haven't posted here much, yet, either. But I found so much identification with this thread that I couldn't NOT say anything.
I turn 45 this year, as well, and just picked up the bass 3 months ago to noodle around with it on my own and have had a hard time keeping it from taking over my whole life. It's so much fun I keep finding excuses to practice.
Now I just need to figure out what kind of instructor and lessons to get so that the bad habits I'm likely starting don't get any worse.
Good luck and enjoy!
Mike
ToddC 03-13-2008, 08:26 AM I haven't posted here much, yet, either. But I found so much identification with this thread that I couldn't NOT say anything.
I turn 45 this year, as well, and just picked up the bass 3 months ago to noodle around with it on my own and have had a hard time keeping it from taking over my whole life. It's so much fun I keep finding excuses to practice.
Now I just need to figure out what kind of instructor and lessons to get so that the bad habits I'm likely starting don't get any worse.
Good luck and enjoy!
Mike
I did the same last December at 55. I'm taking lessons with Ariane Cap at musicvirtuosity.com. She is GREAT!. Very methodical. She is a real teacher. Not just a player teaching so he/she can survive. I highly recommend her.
varunkapahi 03-13-2008, 08:33 AM Hi folks,
Well, the years have gotten away from me and now at the ripe old age of 44 am I tossing around the idea of learning the bass so I am looking for some experienced advice. I have always loved the bass guitar from my teen years on and have never played a musical instrument.
I am also interested in the drums and feel I would be good at it, but at my age I fear the wear and tear on my body would not be too pretty...plus I believe the learning curve is probably longer for drums. Anyway, as I mentioned, I have never played an instrument but my 10 yr. old son is taking guitar lessons and I pick up little bits and pieces here and there from his lessons (although I don't pay attention to it to the degree that he does-after all he is taking the lessons not me. lol)
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So, can you guys fill me in on the difficulty level to learn bass guitar? Of course, at my age I'm not out looking to shred the world with a metal band or anything so that isn't my ambition. Mainly to play rock classics with an older group, or a church group and to jam a little with my son. I know I would need to practice, but again at my age with a family I won't be spending hours a night like some younger guys can.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask a potential teacher to make sure they are a good fit for my goals, etc?
Thanks for any help.
you are never too old to learn i say this because i know 46year old who just joined in the music school i study at a term back ,ie 3months, and is doing pretty well on the piano
so lets funk!:bassist:
shooter 03-13-2008, 03:43 PM I say go for it
I am 54 and my credo is "challenge myself in every way every day"
That includes learning bass, riding my motorbikes, building motorbikes, sailing, crossword & Sudoku puzzles, art, adventure holidays, reading stuff, watching stuff, working etc...........
....but maybe most importantly....a bit of everyday exercise and decent food intake to keep body and soul in a good fit state to take on any challenges.
It works for me so cut the age malarky and get on with it.
BTW - I dont go to Church and I enjoy a few drinks (esp Beer & Margaritas)
mothmonsterman 03-13-2008, 06:49 PM go for it,
you and your son can work and learn together.
Too old for drums?
that's like saying "too old for a cardio workout" If anything it'll get you in better shape.
Ayliffe 03-13-2008, 07:04 PM You're definitely not to old, like im sure everyone else has told you.
As for difficulty, I've always said that learning to play bass is easy, being good at playing bass is hard. Its one of the easiest instruments to just play, but to be good at it, takes alot of talent, dedication and hardwork.
BuffaloBass 03-13-2008, 08:05 PM Man I thought you would be like 70 or so asking a question like that.
Look I leanred when I was 10-15 yrs old, dropped it, and relearned from 43-47 yrs old, current.
Only real difference is that my mid life is chocka full of adult garbage now, money, numbers, fact, figures, DEPENDENTS, that I'm not learning as fast as I did when it was nothing but bass, football and my Chevy.
But having been around the block a million times in the past 25 years, I think I can smell the groove much better.
Oh forget to mention. I picked it back up, in part, to cure some arthritic, or stiff, hands. Works like a charm. Got most of my old chops back (working on the theory part more now), and went from lessons to a band in short order.
pedroims 03-14-2008, 04:38 PM Can you mover your fingers and heard? if yes , then go for it ! the day we put your body underground then will be too late:)
bassalo 03-17-2008, 11:39 AM Go for it. I'm 31, just getting into bass AND I plan on conquering the world with my metal band. I played drums for all of my teenage years and I find that I am so much more committed, focused, and of course mature now. If only I had been like this back then....
Go for it!!!!
dbase 03-17-2008, 11:46 AM Im 62 and started playing the bass again after 40 years, My lead guitar player is 61 and my singer is 75... we only play once a month .... never enough for me... rock on.
JarJam 03-19-2008, 06:41 PM I bought a bass and started learning a few years ago when my daughter was taking guitar lessons.
I'm coming up for the big 50 soon and now playing in a classic rock covers band with my 19 year old son on drums.
Go for it!
butchblack 03-19-2008, 07:23 PM OK, let me rephrase...I'm concerned about potential FURTHER wear and tear with respect to issues I already have with my legs, feet and other associated aches and pains. I don't weigh a buck-seventy five any more like I used to...not that THAT should have a great deal to do with it, I just tend to believe that not being so thin anymore would be more of a hindrance than a help.
Anyway, I am drawn to BOTH instruments and have been so for many years. Actually the bass was the first instrument I was ever interested in, but as sometimes life goes it just gets past you when you should have acted on it.
Like a lot of posters I started somewhat late, picking up bass in my late 20's getting into a part time band in my mid 30's stopped playing for about 14 years moved back to Boston picked up the bass again. After about a year I was back to a level where I could hit blues jams and feel comfortable. Did a little pick up work then finally landed a gig with a part time band. I'm not even the old guy, the keyboard player/ leader is 62 (I'm 57). Also, depending on what I had for breakfast I'm a buck over the buck seventy five. Other then a reluctance to moving a lot of heavy gear (I now have a relatively light and portable rig) my weight is not an issue. Age is a mindset. When I think I'm too old to do the things I love, then I am too old and I hope the good Lord is ready to take me then.
A suggestion on finding a bass teacher. Find one that you're comfortable with. I was lucky in that I had two good bass teachers early on, teachers that I was comfortable with. Especially in the beginning most bass teachers will have useful instruction, comfort level may be the difference between sticking with it or not.
Also, work on training your ear to hear the bass parts of songs. That will help in picking up tunes later on
Good luck on this adventure.
509BeeRbeLLy 04-14-2008, 12:27 PM Welll....I'm getting closer to taking the dive! My son is switching to drums so I'm going to make sure he wants to stick with it. I think my plan (initially, anyway) is to get a bass and start off learning what I can on my own, and then hopefully get in with my son's music studio when they get an opening at a decent hour. This will give me some time to learn some basics and get used to things on my own in the beginning.
bassmam53 04-14-2008, 12:42 PM I'm 53 and just started taking lessons right after Christmas and LOVE it! The teacher (and others) say I've done really well for no longer than I have taken....and the only music I've ever had was as a small child taking piano for 3 years. My husband started taking acoustic guitar 3 years ago and loves it. We enjoy playing together and play with a few others who are all 45+ years of age. Nothing ventured nothing gained....
Blandsville 04-14-2008, 04:02 PM Might I add, that experience of years and living allows you to bring something to the music that someone half your age may not be able to get to. Btw, even though I have played electric bass for years, I have decided to start learning to play upright at age 48. Someone once said (and I paraphrase), "I can't learn to do that. Do you know how old I will be before I will really be proficient?" To which their friend responded, "The same age you will be if you don't even try." Not only that, if nothing else, it will be good for your brain. Good luck!
hublocker 04-14-2008, 04:13 PM No problem.
I've been showing two good friends, a 45 year old guy and a 48 year old woman how to play bass, and with any prior experience after two go-rounds each, I have them accompanying me while I play guitar and sing country songs.
I've always told friends it is easy to play simple stuff on the bass. It just gets complicated when you want to get complicated.
There's a few rudiments to learn to get started, then the sky is the limit.
My friend Richard said if he had known it was so easy he'd have taken it up a long time ago.
radec52 04-14-2008, 06:55 PM No one is too old to learn and enjoy music. I do think you have to be patient and realistic about how to go about your study; your attitude and committment are far more important than anything else. I began studying bass last year when I was 55. Today I play with our church worship team and love it. There is lots of great advice in this forum about the many ways to learn to play. You can do absolutely anything you really want to do as long as you are committed and follow a plan. I'd go for it!
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