Hey all,

How did you learn to read music? Or what's a good way to do so? I know where the notes come on the stave etc and I know aobut ledger lines, but I couldn't actually read fast or well enough to play anything from proper notation.

Can any one give any tips?

Cheers,

Steve

Steve,

Get a teacher who is an excellent reader and makes part, or all, of his living reading music.

Then becoming a good reader is like getting into good physical shape. It don't work if you don't work.

There are MANY books on reading out there. Most of them are just a collection of notes. For most people it takes a step-by-step systematic approach to learn to read well.


Jim Stinnett

Originally posted by James S
Steve,

Get a teacher who is an excellent reader and makes part, or all, of his living reading music.

Then becoming a good reader is like getting into good physical shape. It don't work if you don't work.

There are MANY books on reading out there. Most of them are just a collection of notes. For most people it takes a step-by-step systematic approach to learn to read well.


Jim Stinnett

Thanks Jim. Getting a teacher is something I want to do, but at the moment I don't have either the money or the time to do so.

get yourself a notebook of music paper, go over where the notes are a couple times then just write random notes(don't need to worry about their rhymthm you can just write dots if you want) now slowly try and play what you just wrote, note for note, and making sure every note you hit is correct(don't glaze over a note wrong and then only make the correction in your head)
when your done, take the piece of music paper(which you should have filled)
and flip it upside down, now you have a totally new piece read that one.
do this a little bit each day for a while and your reading will improve greatly.
just in case your a bit confused, here are the notes from
Bottom to top
A-C-E-G - for the spaces in bass clef
G-B-D-F-A - for the lines in bass clef

I'll second the advice about the teacher - it's far and away the best way to go. If you can't afford one at the moment, try picking up a copy of mel Bay's Note Reading Studies for Bass. It's a good method book which starts from the very basics and moves slowly into more advanced topics while introducing new concepts one at a time. It is also one of the few Bay publications which includes no tab whatsoever, so you can cheat even if you want to.

Remember, the whole key to reading well is to try to hear what you are going to play BEFORE you play it...so be sure and spend some time "reading" away from your instrument with whatever method book you choose. Singing what you are looking at is best because it includes pitch training, but clapping and tapping are great rhythmic exercises as well.

Good luck.

Originally posted by OLD MISS FRIZZYHAIR
I'll second the advice about the teacher - it's far and away the best way to go. If you can't afford one at the moment, try picking up a copy of mel Bay's Note Reading Studies for Bass. It's a good method book which starts from the very basics and moves slowly into more advanced topics while introducing new concepts one at a time. It is also one of the few Bay publications which includes no tab whatsoever, so you can cheat even if you want to.

First, ditto on getting a teacher. Secondly, I also recommend that Mel Bay book. I picked up this book before I even had my bass yet and read it. And, yes, it starts off the basics: learning the open strings and their notation on the staff, simple rhythms, etc. then it goes on to key signatures, 8th notes and 16th note rhythms, and more. It gets advanced as you go on with time signatures and advanced reading studes. The book also gives you etudes to practice. I am always referring back to it. :)

www.libster.com

Click "Lessons". Next best thing to a teacher, IMO.

Originally posted by stephanie

OLD MISS FRIZZYHAIR,

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CLEFGRANNY,

You are displaying wisdom well beyond your tender years with both your advice and your name bastardizations...keep up the good work. :)

although books can be a great help and many people swear by them id go with a teacher. for two reasons in particular,if u have a question and u cant find the answer in the book/if the books confusing in a spot its nice to be able to have sumone show u in person how to play it. i know i make mistakes without realizing it while playing standard notation and my teacher will point them out and help me get going back in the right direction. some people have no problem reading it from abook and others are more visual, i guess it would be more personal prefference.

I dont suggest this but how I read was very different from most of these techniques. I could read very basic lines and I thought I was pretty hot stuff so I joined my schools jazz band. Needless to say I havnt been doing very well but it forced me to keep reading and now I can sight read some pretty cool bass lines.

But definitly get a teacher if you can.

what everyone else said in addition to:

Reading, reading, and more reading!

Read everything you can get your hands on, bass clef, treble clef, etc... It's like a muscle the more you use it, the stronger it gets.

Purple Haze mentioned an excellent sightreading sight, libster. I learned how to sight read from that site.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
I'll second the advice about the teacher - it's far and away the best way to go. If you can't afford one at the moment, try picking up a copy of mel Bay's Note Reading Studies for Bass. It's a good method book which starts from the very basics and moves slowly into more advanced topics while introducing new concepts one at a time. It is also one of the few Bay publications which includes no tab whatsoever, so you can cheat even if you want to.

I would like to give a third recommendation for this book, Mel Bay's Note Reading Studies for Bass. This is the book I learned to sight read with myself.

I would also recommend a transcription of the Bach Cello Suites. While rhythmically they don't have a lot of variety, they are an excellent source for becoming more familiar with recognizing pitches and intervals. (Of course I recommend picking up a recording to go with this).

Third, I would recommend Arban's Conservatory for Trombone. This is a method book, with etude after etude after etude. I have yet to pick up the trombone version, but I do have the trumpet version and love it.

Fourth, Standing in the Shadows of Motown provides some excellent chops-buster tunes. This book contains transcriptions to a number of Motown tunes that James Jamerson played on. They vary from basic to quite advanced.

Whatever book(s) you do get, I suggest to try and do it every day, even if it's only for 5-10 minutes. You'd be amazed at how quickly your sight reading skills will develop if you do it daily, even for a short period of time.

Originally posted by jazzbo


I would also recommend a transcription of the Bach Cello Suites. While rhythmically they don't have a lot of variety, they are an excellent source for becoming more familiar with recognizing pitches and intervals. (Of course I recommend picking up a recording to go with this).



JAZZBO THE HUTT is right. Check out this place for some Bach Cello Suite trancsriptions. It also has several transricptions of well known pop/ rock songs, to help you practice. The libster contains a smaller selection of transcriptions too.

http://www.dd.chalmers.se/%7Ef96tope/noter.html

(I recommend sticking this in your favourites, you WILL want to go back)

If the first link doesn't work, try this.

http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f96tope/noter.html

Good luck.

-PH

I use Arban's for Trombone all the time - it's a great resource. I also like the Berklee book "Reading Contemporary Electric Bass Rhythms" by Rich Appleman. I challenge anyone to read through that thing, and the cool part is, they're all examples of stuff that's you'll actually see on a professional gig.

How about The Latin Bass Book by Oscar Stagnaro and Chuck Sher? There are some great rhythms within that book. Learning how not to play on the downbeat ain't as easy as it sounds.

At the risk of offending some people here...

Any good computer programs with lessons in CD-ROMS of standard notation (with audio files) AND which I can use to write music in standard notation, play back what I write and see if I'm doing OK or not. The freaky thing about standard notation is having something in your head, but then not knowing... is this a 16th? an 8th? What is the pause length here? Where do I place the codas (?) and other signals used to (direct?) the musician???

Since I can't afford a teacher until I get employed at least I could use my computer to start getting into the standard notation thing and knowing how I do... reading only just does not cut it...

Originally posted by NewWaveBasser
At the risk of offending some people here...

Any good computer programs with lessons in CD-ROMS of standard notation (with audio files) AND which I can use to write music in standard notation, play back what I write and see if I'm doing OK or not. The freaky thing about standard notation is having something in your head, but then not knowing... is this a 16th? an 8th? What is the pause length here? Where do I place the codas (?) and other signals used to (direct?) the musician???

Since I can't afford a teacher until I get employed at least I could use my computer to start getting into the standard notation thing and knowing how I do... reading only just does not cut it...

www.codamusic.com

Download the free Finale Notepad 2002.

It doesn't have lessons, but using it is it's own lesson.

Sight Reading studies seem to work the best for most players


http://www.fretland.com

Hey guys, I checked out that libster site and I learned how to read the music, I'm so proud of myself, I can read the music like a pro (slight exaggeration, in case you didn't catch it) now. WOOT! All I need now is for my bass to get here...darn UPS.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald

CLEFGRANNY,

You are displaying wisdom well beyond your tender years with both your advice and your name bastardizations...keep up the good work. :)

Why, thanks DURRL. I learn from the best. :)

I do swear by that book. Lots of good stuff in it.

The past few weeks at my bass lessons my teacher has been giving me these site-reading 'quizzes'. (Dunno if I've mentioned this elswhere). He'd place a sheet of music in front of me I've never seen before and have me look it over for a few minutes and then, with metronome on, I have to play it. I'm happy to say I've been doing pretty good with them. Only a few mistakes (and quite stupid mistakes at that LOL). I've been liking these quizzes b/c they've shown me what I need to work on.

Hey CASH FLOW thanx for the Finale reference...

...only problem is it doesn't play back. Why would that be? My computer maybe?

Oh well thanx anyway...

TOO LATE MISTER

Originally posted by NewWaveBasser
Hey CASH FLOW thanx for the Finale reference...

...only problem is it doesn't play back. Why would that be? My computer maybe?

Oh well thanx anyway...

TOO LATE MISTER

Yeah, it must be your computer. PM JMX, he'll probably know how to fix it, or you can PM me and we can figure it out.

I would also recommend a transcription of theBach Cello Suites. While rhythmically they don't have a lot of variety, they are an excellent source for becoming more familiar with recognizing pitches and intervals. (Of course I recommend picking up a recording to go with this).

I 2nd that...I have a copy of them, and they helped my reading emensly. I didnt dig the rhythm to it much. Mostly 1/16 notes, so its not that challanging as far as that goes. But its got lots of other stuff to confuse the daylights outta you.


Fourth, Standing in the Shadows of Motown provides some excellent chops-buster tunes. This book contains transcriptions to a number of Motown tunes that James Jamerson played on. They vary from basic to quite advanced.

I just got this book from the library today. You arent kidding IMO even some of the basic ones are hard. At least for me, because Im still having a bit of a problem with rhythmic values..dotted 1/4 notes and syncopation. So if you're new to site reading or not that experienced with it, they'll give you a good workout too.....thanks for turning me onto it azzho :eek: ;)