http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NgVpuUzF8

Yeah, and remember how we came to the conclusion that it was a stupid assumption that he didn't know a "lick" of theory. Ho-hum at this again.

Where's the corrected spelling?

Anyway, sounds like that boy can play. :) Would have loved to hear something else than a solo though.

Where's the corrected spelling?

Anyway, sounds like that boy can play. :) Would have loved to hear something else than a solo though.


au contraire, there's more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2iucLH1r6o&NR=1

How do you know he doesn't "know a lick of theory"?

I would love to take a listen, but the audio is SO distorted.........is it just my connection? :confused:

How do you know he doesn't "know a lick of theory"?


I'm saying. You grooving like that at 12, it's a given that he has natural talent and is an ear player.

If you notice in the 2nd clip, where they stop playing for a few seconds (@ the 3:20 mark) and he starts back up, he is playing Andrew Gouche's theme song on off the MTD website. Apparently, he's playing it wrong (as Mr. Gouche takes his bass from him, demonstrates it properly, and hands it back to him to attempt it again) Watch how closely he takes notice of Gouche's hands.

He's the type that can pick up from watching & listening. Didn't Jaco say about himself that that was how he learned, by watching the positioning of the players hands & so forth.

Same thing. I'm willing to bet you that Matthew was born with perfect pitch. (not making excuses for his superior playing)

I don't know the kid but if you observe where he's on stage playing, right before Mr. Gouche ganks back his MTD, notice how he's not even focusing on any chord progressions, hand positions, nothing, he's just going by 'feel' and using his ear.

Ya, but he was always better than me. Bastard.

With the family that kid has, I can't see him not knowing any theory. He is just a young player. I think there may be a bit of subconscious jealousy trying to explain away a kid that can play better than a whole lot of us adults!;)

I'm saying. You grooving like that at 12, it's a given that he has natural talent and is an ear player.

If you notice in the 2nd clip, where they stop playing for a few seconds (@ the 3:20 mark) and he starts back up, he is playing Andrew Gouche's theme song on off the MTD website. Apparently, he's playing it wrong (as Mr. Gouche takes his bass from him, demonstrates it properly, and hands it back to him to attempt it again) Watch how closely he takes notice of Gouche's hands.

He's the type that can pick up from watching & listening. Didn't Jaco say about himself that that was how he learned, by watching the positioning of the players hands & so forth.

Same thing. I'm willing to bet you that Matthew was born with perfect pitch. (not making excuses for his superior playing)

I don't know the kid but if you observe where he's on stage playing, right before Mr. Gouche ganks back his MTD, notice how he's not even focusing on any chord progressions, hand positions, nothing, he's just going by 'feel' and using his ear.

That's a lot of assumptions. Kids got a lot of talent, but beyond that you're making it up.

With the family that kid has, I can't see him not knowing any theory. He is just a young player. I think there may be a bit of subconscious jealousy trying to explain away a kid that can play better than a whole lot of us adults!

Amen!

that kid is good
very good
hes got an ear for music
only some have that gifted ability

[QUOTE=Marcury;6186511]That's a lot of assumptions. Kids got a lot of talent, but beyond that you're making it up.


A lot of assumptions. Okay. Let's see. You're assuming too. You assume that he knows theory, in a technical, clinical, root third fifth way.

We can agree that what we are witnessing, is a young musical director in training. It starts with the ear and it's not always the keyboardist's or guitarist that only understand things harmonically.

Yes, i believe that he has perfect pitch, yes that's an assumption.

Again, i believe that he's not as studied in theory (book wise) but has a superior ear that makes up for any deficient clinical booky knowledge. That's an assumption to.

In fact, watching him, it appears that while he's playing in front of and audience he seems to get a little a-d-d -ish. (due to him maybe having a short attention span)

With the family that kid has, I can't see him not knowing any theory. He is just a young player. I think there may be a bit of subconscious jealousy trying to explain away a kid that can play better than a whole lot of us adults!;)

I agree Dr.

A lot of assumptions. Okay. Let's see. You're assuming too. You assume that he knows theory, in a technical, clinical, root third fifth way.


I'm not assuming that he knows or doesn't know theory.

All I know is he's got talent.

We can agree that what we are witnessing, is a young musical director in training.

No we can't. He's a twelve year old kid with talent


It starts with the ear and it's not always the keyboardist's or guitarist that only understand things harmonically.


Huh?

Yes, i believe that he has perfect pitch, yes that's an assumption.

Again, i believe that he's not as studied in theory (book wise) but has a superior ear that makes up for any deficient clinical booky knowledge. That's an assumption to.

In fact, watching him, it appears that while he's playing in front of and audience he seems to get a little a-d-d -ish. (due to him maybe having a short attention span)
Assumptions all! Particularly that he doesn't "know a lick of theory". Maybe he does maybe he doesn't

I would love to take a listen, but the audio is SO distorted.........is it just my connection? :confused:

No, your connection is ok, it sounds like utter crap here too.

Sure he can play (I guess), now he needs to work on some stage prescence.

Other than that, I can't say I'm very blown away.

Nice try though.

In fact, watching him, it appears that while he's playing in front of and audience he seems to get a little a-d-d -ish.




(due to him maybe having a short attention span)

Do you know this to be fact?

This thread is a bit silly. Yes there is a kid who is damn good at bass. Well done him I wish I was as talented at his age. But why all this discussion? Does it really matter?

I'm not saying it should stop, this is a discussion forum and if people want to talk about who am I to stop them? It's just we know little to nothing about this kid and we're still arguing over each others assumptions.

That said, well done that kid and I think he knows loads of theory personally ;)


:hiding:

I'm saying. You grooving like that at 12, it's a given that he has natural talent and is an ear player.

If you notice in the 2nd clip, where they stop playing for a few seconds (@ the 3:20 mark) and he starts back up, he is playing Andrew Gouche's theme song on off the MTD website. Apparently, he's playing it wrong (as Mr. Gouche takes his bass from him, demonstrates it properly, and hands it back to him to attempt it again) Watch how closely he takes notice of Gouche's hands.

He's the type that can pick up from watching & listening. Didn't Jaco say about himself that that was how he learned, by watching the positioning of the players hands & so forth.

Same thing. I'm willing to bet you that Matthew was born with perfect pitch. (not making excuses for his superior playing)

I don't know the kid but if you observe where he's on stage playing, right before Mr. Gouche ganks back his MTD, notice how he's not even focusing on any chord progressions, hand positions, nothing, he's just going by 'feel' and using his ear.

Nonsense. We went through this before, you are making a lot of really silly assumptions, my friend.

Do you know this to be fact?


Can't say that i do.

However....

It sure looks that way.

I've never seen someone 'appear to loose intrest' intentionally, unless, said person had some sort've paranoia. Or, was a prodigy, as this young man is.

You can make the argument (semantics) that you don't see him loosing intrest, but you clearly see Gouche wrestle that bass from him when he starts to get too noodly and starts to appear disintrested.

I guess that could be misconstrued as insulting the audience's intelligence because they are paying customers and want to see great showmanship.

came here and i'm wondering why this matters?

i mean the kid can groove, who cares if it's natural talent or the kid actually knows something. wish i could groove like that and i don't think learning theory has much to do with it.

You can make the argument (semantics) that you don't see him loosing intrest, but you clearly see Gouche wrestle that bass from him when he starts to get too noodly and starts to appear disintrested.




I'm not arguing at all.


I'm friends with Andrew Gouche and the young mans father and I can guarantee you, that he is being schooled in some aspects of theory and that is not an assumption.



The key to remember, is that the young man is only 12 years old.

I want some of what fountain boy is on.

He has a bright future in music if he keeps playing and avoids big mistakes.

He almost certainly know some theory - at least from a practical point of view. He wouldn't be able to play that well otherwise.

To me it only matters if he can groove and keep time.* Which he obviously can. His knowledge in theory doesn't matter at all unless he decides to start giving lessons.

* If even that. The kid is still very young and shouldn't be judged too hard this early in his life.

came here and i'm wondering why this matters?

i mean the kid can groove, who cares if it's natural talent or the kid actually knows something. wish i could groove like that and i don't think learning theory has much to do with it.


I agree Xshawn.

Matthew has the exact same trajectory as Jaco Pastorius had.

Everything Jaco related in his instructional video, Matthew has displayed in spades (and i'm no Jaco fant at all)

I'm wiling to bet that Matthew's musicianship can easily be moved over to a piano as well, as his ear is together, it would be just a matter of mechanics & muscle memory.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Matthew (at this stage) cannot read as fluently, as well as he can play.

Also, i would venture to say that Matthew isn't meticulously studying Bach Cannon or whatever else Jaco studied, right this moment.

I wonder how soon before he makes it into Bass Player magazine, or is he already slated to be a guest speaker at Bass Player Live 09? Hmmm, makes you think.

For those that view this video and conclude that his playing is a byproduct of theory books. Please, do us all a favor & list the books that this man is working through so that we all can be enlightened.

No, really, didn't we go over this before? Who cares anyway? I guess it's reassuring to some people to fantasise that you can be good without trying though.

No, really, didn't we go over this before? Who cares anyway? I guess it's reassuring to some people to fantasise that you can be good without trying though.

I'm certain that this young man is a bore to you and you could play him under a table mute. ;)

But, to the rest of us mere earthlings, it matters, us that are 'semi analytical in prose'.

It's in no way ment to be seen as derrogatory or a comparison between, as i, in no way, shape, or form, could match what he's doing, especially on the spot in a pressure situation such as a rehearsal room with musicians that all have something to prove.

Music apparently comes easily to him, and i see no problem in being honest about that.

It's also nice to witness & tract the genesis and fruition of a 'gifted' player.

We are simply rejoicing with this young man.

No negativity here, lol!

For those that view this video and conclude that his playing is a byproduct of theory books. Please, do us all a favor & list the books that this man is working through so that we all can be enlightened.

I don't think anyone is saying that his playing is a direct result of learning theory. They're just saying that learning theory doesn't alter one's groove. If someone has a good feel, then expanding their theoretical knowledge won't change a thing. I don't know why there are so many musicians who are dead set against theory. I know not everyone needs to dig into it deeply, but noone should discredit it entirely.

You can make the argument (semantics) that you don't see him loosing intrest, but you clearly see Gouche wrestle that bass from him when he starts to get too noodly and starts to appear disintrested.

Dude. That was part of the show - Gouche rips the bass out of his hands to keep the kid from showing him up (not really, but that's the intent of the shtick). It had nothing to do with his playing...

Dude. That was part of the show - Gouche rips the bass out of his hands to keep the kid from showing him up (not really, but that's the intent of the shtick). It had nothing to do with his playing...

+1 on this... That is exactly what I thought when I saw it. It is meant to be funny. Do you people not get it? It was part of the act!

It's so annoying when bass players don't have their right wrist straight when playing. Say all you want about the stupid theory, he's going to have tendinitis in about 10-15 years with a wrist like that. (and it looks gay)

I thought the guy that actually knew his family already explained that the kid already knew theory...so why is this discussion still going on?

Q - What does someone being "an ear player" or "a natural talent" have to do with the amount of theory they have or haven't learned? Or having/not having perfect pitch, for that matter?

A - Nothing whatsoever.

Interesting clip, but what a strange discussion it's started (or restarted).

I'm saying. You grooving like that at 12, it's a given that he has natural talent and is an ear player.

If you notice in the 2nd clip, where they stop playing for a few seconds (@ the 3:20 mark) and he starts back up, he is playing Andrew Gouche's theme song on off the MTD website. Apparently, he's playing it wrong (as Mr. Gouche takes his bass from him, demonstrates it properly, and hands it back to him to attempt it again) Watch how closely he takes notice of Gouche's hands.

He's the type that can pick up from watching & listening. Didn't Jaco say about himself that that was how he learned, by watching the positioning of the players hands & so forth.

Same thing. I'm willing to bet you that Matthew was born with perfect pitch. (not making excuses for his superior playing)

I don't know the kid but if you observe where he's on stage playing, right before Mr. Gouche ganks back his MTD, notice how he's not even focusing on any chord progressions, hand positions, nothing, he's just going by 'feel' and using his ear.
This thread is ass. You know nothing about the kid. You have no idea what he's going by or not going by.

This thread is ass. You know nothing about the kid. You have no idea what he's going by or not going by.

Harsh, but true.

Harsh, but true.
I hate to be harsh, but this guy just isn't getting it. He keeps making these ridiculous statements about the kid's education or lack thereof.

You guys are crazy. Who cares? Nobody has to do things the way YOU do it. Thats why theres so many bass players, so many diff generes. Who cares how his hand positions are, who cares if he can read, who cares if he knows theory. Who needs to know theory in order to play? YOU DONT. I know tons of players who dont know theory and are smoking players, and doing big gigs. Find something else to whine about, please, these forums are getting pathetic

You guys are crazy. Who cares? Nobody has to do things the way YOU do it. Thats why theres so many bass players, so many diff generes. Who cares how his hand positions are, who cares if he can read, who cares if he knows theory. Who needs to know theory in order to play? YOU DONT. I know tons of players who dont know theory and are smoking players, and doing big gigs. Find something else to whine about, please, these forums are getting pathetic
Thank you for the totally meaningless post that has nothing to do with the thread.

ha how does that have nothing to do with the thread, can you read? by the way, i wont respond again, i have better things to do.

This thread is ass. You know nothing about the kid. You have no idea what he's going by or not going by.

Well said......theory, no theory....who cares?

Ouch, lol!

I doubt many of us here could've opted to walk straight out've jr. hgh school (12 years old) and tour the world with a renouned band, or cast of musicians. He certainly has that option, if push ever came to shove for him.

At 12 years of age, he's got more connects in the business then many of us here combined, lol.

Oh, that Markbass endorsement you scream from the rooftops about, they would probably throw one at him.

Fender? check.
MTD? check.
Sadowsky? check.
Ken Smith? check.
Lakland? check.
Brubaker? check.
DR strings? check.
SWR amplification? check.
Ashdown? check.
David Eden? check.

All those endorsements are right there for him, lol! He could be the face of any of these companies.

Ouch, lol!

I doubt many of us here could've opted to walk straight out've jr. hgh school (12 years old) and tour the world with a renouned band, or cast of musicians. He certainly has that option, if push ever came to shove for him.

At 12 years of age, he's got more connects in the business then many of us here combined, lol.

Oh, that Markbass endorsement you scream from the rooftops about, they would probably throw one at him.

Fender? check.
MTD? check.
Sadowsky? check.
Ken Smith? check.
Lakland? check.
Brubaker? check.
DR strings? check.
SWR amplification? check.
Ashdown? check.
David Eden? check.

All those endorsements are right there for him, lol! He could be the face of any of these companies.

What does that have to do with anything?

You need to learn the difference between verifiable facts and your opinions/assumptions.

This has to be the stupidest thread this month.

I agree. Let's keep it going by posting useless stuff.

Isn't that the purpose of this topic?

This has to be the stupidest thread this month.
I agree with that. What a lot of stink about nothing whatsoever.

Fender? check.
MTD? check.
Sadowsky? check.
Ken Smith? check.
Lakland? check.
Brubaker? check.
DR strings? check.
SWR amplification? check.
Ashdown? check.
David Eden? check.

All those endorsements are right there for him, lol! He could be the face of any of these companies.


Thats not true at all.

Most of the companies you mentioned above have learned that a player that seem to have skills today and potential doesn't always pan out especially if the player never grasp the basics of business and the problem is and can really be magnified when you take the players age into account.

Ouch, lol!

I doubt many of us here could've opted to walk straight out've jr. hgh school (12 years old) and tour the world with a renouned band, or cast of musicians. He certainly has that option, if push ever came to shove for him.

At 12 years of age, he's got more connects in the business then many of us here combined, lol.

Oh, that Markbass endorsement you scream from the rooftops about, they would probably throw one at him.

Fender? check.
MTD? check.
Sadowsky? check.
Ken Smith? check.
Lakland? check.
Brubaker? check.
DR strings? check.
SWR amplification? check.
Ashdown? check.
David Eden? check.

All those endorsements are right there for him, lol! He could be the face of any of these companies.

I doubt any of these companies would even remotely consider any type of endorsment deal at this point.

For that matter I doubt even Squier or SX would bother either. He's a very good player, but I don't see any marketability in him yet.

All I can do at this point is wish him well for a prosperous musical future, that's it, that's all.

i find it deeply ironic that the kid in the video seems to be more mature and less childish than most of the flaming posts on this topic

seems to me music theory is a very touchy subject on this maybe he knows maybe he doesnt either is perfectly believable there's loads of fantastic songwriters out there who dont know theory and just as many who do know it

why dont you all climb down off your high horses and enjoy the video for what it is a 12 year old playing bass and playing it well infront of an audience

You guys are crazy. Who cares? Nobody has to do things the way YOU do it. Thats why theres so many bass players, so many diff generes. Who cares how his hand positions are, who cares if he can read, who cares if he knows theory. Who needs to know theory in order to play? YOU DONT. I know tons of players who dont know theory and are smoking players, and doing big gigs. Find something else to whine about, please, these forums are getting pathetic

+100, in the case of the kid, harping on theory is simply an attempt to discount his ability. BTW, I've read your Myspace page, I know you know theory quite well.:)

ha i actually dont know a lick a of theory lol

ha i actually dont know a lick a of theory lol


I know that's right, lol!

Thanks for turning me onto 'Lettuce'. Massive! That song on your Myspace w/Dwele page is banging, btw.

Listen, This young man is only 12 years old, He's just learning! I wish I played like that when I was 12. Matthew is a great kid, who loves music, and I guarantee he'll get a scholarship to Berkley or somewhere like that one day! Right now? Theory? WHO CARES!!!!!! This kid can PLAY! He has a natural feel that you will NEVER get from a book. He is one of those special people that God chose to bestow a gift on. OK, now as for as me snatching the bass because he was losing his attention, NOT TRUE, It was all in fun, WE were showing some love to a very talented kid, whose dad just happens to be a great friend for over 20 years. It's always a trip to see some people on here dissect, analyze, criticize everything. This kid should inspire you, he sure inspires me! You're gonna hear this kid big time one day, he's gonna do great things, but I'm sure some of you will still hate on him then too!

HA. +100. This board is full of haters lol. You remember me gouche? I hung w you and Ron Allen @ GMWA about 2 years ago in Dallas.

Oh, that Markbass endorsement you scream from the rooftops about, they would probably throw one at him.

That is both irrelevant and WAY out of line.

Cool to see you here, yogooch!

Listen, This young man is only 12 years old, He's just learning! I wish I played like that when I was 12. Matthew is a great kid, who loves music, and I guarantee he'll get a scholarship to Berkley or somewhere like that one day! Right now? Theory? WHO CARES!!!!!! This kid can PLAY! He has a natural feel that you will NEVER get from a book. He is one of those special people that God chose to bestow a gift on. OK, now as for as me snatching the bass because he was losing his attention, NOT TRUE, It was all in fun, WE were showing some love to a very talented kid, whose dad just happens to be a great friend for over 20 years. It's always a trip to see some people on here dissect, analyze, criticize everything. This kid should inspire you, he sure inspires me! You're gonna hear this kid big time one day, he's gonna do great things, but I'm sure some of you will still hate on him then too!


Respect! :hyper:

kids slap the dangdest thangs

Ok, now that everything seems to be in order, can we all agree to finally end this topic? Just listen to the kid and enjoy his music.

HA. +100. This board is full of haters lol. You remember me gouche? I hung w you and Ron Allen @ GMWA about 2 years ago in Dallas.

What up young beast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NgVpuUzF8
Hello, fountain boy. it's a pleasure to have you speak of my son. I'm grateful for the attention that you're bringing to my family. I refuse to defend his abilities, but to say the least he's 12yrs. old. It's about his love and passion first, then when the mental aspect of his being is maturing the mental perspective of his voice on bass will be educational. I promise!! With love and great respect, his Dad.

Butch ramsey

Andrew and Butch, thanks for weighing in! I don't really think anyone was hating on Matthew, just on the way he was presented by the OP.

Andrew and Butch, I think you've got it wrong. No denying Matthew is on the ball. He seems like a sweet kid with a big future. Our problem was with Fountain Boy saying the kid had no education and was completely going on feel with no basis in fact. Obviously there's a lot of natural feel in the kid, but his note choices are a little too mature to not have any background in theory, at least on a rudimentary level. If you say he doesn't, then he doesn't, but what he played in that clip shows a basic knowledge at the very least.

Hello, fountain boy. it's a pleasure to have you speak of my son. I'm grateful for the attention that you're bringing to my family. I refuse to defend his abilities, but to say the least he's 12yrs. old. It's about his love and passion first, then when the mental aspect of his being is maturing the mental perspective of his voice on bass will be educational. I promise!! With love and great respect, his Dad.

Butch ramsey

Hello Mr. Ramsey. What a fine boy you have there, not because he's good with an instrument in his hands, but rather because he's God fearing, mannerly and well behaved. That's an acomplishment in itself, in this day & age. You're raising him well, as we are all witnessing.

Keep up the good work and please keep documenting his progress for us.

I'll be buying his instructional dvd whenever it's released, lol.

:p

I'm certain that this young man is a bore to you and you could play him under a table mute. ;)

But, to the rest of us mere earthlings, it matters, us that are 'semi analytical in prose'.

It's in no way ment to be seen as derrogatory or a comparison between, as i, in no way, shape, or form, could match what he's doing, especially on the spot in a pressure situation such as a rehearsal room with musicians that all have something to prove.

Music apparently comes easily to him, and i see no problem in being honest about that.

It's also nice to witness & tract the genesis and fruition of a 'gifted' player.

We are simply rejoicing with this young man.

No negativity here, lol!

No the young man is quite interesting, the topic of conversation is boring, pointless and conjectural. I see Butch Ramsey has commented on the matter though. I haven't read his post fully yet so what I am saying here is notwithstanding what he has said.

My son is six and he knows some general theory already. I don't buy that a child of a working musician, who takes an interest and participates in music is going to have no knowledge of theory at all. I mean, come on, he must know the major and minor scale.

Who cares all the same, it only looks to me that you like so many others are using this "look what you can do without knowing about theory" as a justification. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also my abilities are irrelevant here, and not to take away from a 12 year old, but while I think he is cool, it's not going to make me throw my bass in the bin or anything.

You know, what it is to me about this thread that I find so silly isn't whether or not a 12 year old does or doesn't know theory. I mean really that doesn't matter at all. Sure he is interesting can play and so on and I wouldn't take that away from him. There are lots of youngsters that can play well. Some of them might know more or less theory than others.

What really bugs me is how this guy is being used almost like a pawn in this pointless argument about theory. What is the point you are trying to make here, Fountain Boy? Is the theory thing really a factor in whether this guy is interesting as a player? Is the fact he is 12 even a point? Ok I will give you that him being 12 and that he is Butch Ramsey's son is probably a relevant thing to mention, but the presumption that he knows or doesn't know theory seem rather, ahem, arbitrary to me. I know I use that word a lot, there are a lot of reasons to use it.

Ouch, lol!

I doubt many of us here could've opted to walk straight out've jr. hgh school (12 years old) and tour the world with a renouned band, or cast of musicians. He certainly has that option, if push ever came to shove for him.

At 12 years of age, he's got more connects in the business then many of us here combined, lol.

Oh, that Markbass endorsement you scream from the rooftops about, they would probably throw one at him.

Fender? check.
MTD? check.
Sadowsky? check.
Ken Smith? check.
Lakland? check.
Brubaker? check.
DR strings? check.
SWR amplification? check.
Ashdown? check.
David Eden? check.

All those endorsements are right there for him, lol! He could be the face of any of these companies.


Nice assumptions. I see a pattern.
;)

Listen, This young man is only 12 years old, He's just learning! I wish I played like that when I was 12. Matthew is a great kid, who loves music, and I guarantee he'll get a scholarship to Berkley or somewhere like that one day! Right now? Theory? WHO CARES!!!!!! This kid can PLAY! He has a natural feel that you will NEVER get from a book. He is one of those special people that God chose to bestow a gift on. OK, now as for as me snatching the bass because he was losing his attention, NOT TRUE, It was all in fun, WE were showing some love to a very talented kid, whose dad just happens to be a great friend for over 20 years. It's always a trip to see some people on here dissect, analyze, criticize everything. This kid should inspire you, he sure inspires me! You're gonna hear this kid big time one day, he's gonna do great things, but I'm sure some of you will still hate on him then too!

Jealousy as usual is an ugly thing. One of the most obvious tacts is looking for some "weakness" in someone who can do what you only dream of doing. Sad but true.

Matthew looks like he's having fun. That's what's important IMO and that's what will keep him playing and progressing. He has time.
:D

That's a lot of assumptions. Kids got a lot of talent, but beyond that you're making it up.


A lot of assumptions. Okay. Let's see. You're assuming too. You assume that he knows theory, in a technical, clinical, root third fifth way.

He didn't assume he knew theory, you assumed he didn't. Understand the difference?

We can agree that what we are witnessing, is a young musical director in training. It starts with the ear and it's not always the keyboardist's or guitarist that only understand things harmonically.

Another assumption.

Yes, i believe that he has perfect pitch, yes that's an assumption.

A patently ridiculous assumption. You don't need perfect pitch to hear and then play a pitch. DO you even know what perfect pitch means?

Again, i believe that he's not as studied in theory (book wise) but has a superior ear that makes up for any deficient clinical booky knowledge. That's an assumption to.

In fact, watching him, it appears that while he's playing in front of and audience he seems to get a little a-d-d -ish. (due to him maybe having a short attention span)

If you ever get over to Atomic, let's hook up... I'd love to meet someone who thinks like you IRL.
:cool:

It pains me to have to agree with onlyclave on anything, but I have to say he is pretty on the money when he says this is stupid thread of the month.

Ok I will give you that him being 12 and that he is Butch Ramsey's son is probably a relevant thing to mention, but the presumption that he knows or doesn't know theory seem rather, ahem, arbitrary to me. I know I use that word a lot, there are a lot of reasons to use it.

:p

:p

Still thinking on that response are we? If I was the king of red herrings, ignoratio elenchis and ad hominems I would be pretty amused too.

What the heaven is that supposed to me, you person, I've never attacked your arguments ad hominem.

*Edited for the kiddies.

Now,now, there's no need for that kind of language. You can call me an idiot when you come up with that long awaited response though. Otherwise, let's not talk about the cooking utensils.

What the hell is that supposed to me, you idiot, I've never attacked your arguments ad hominem.

That wasn't the original name you called him.. I think you owe him an apology. Come on Havok, what do you have against the guy? I mean there is no sense in starting a flame war, we're all adults here.

That wasn't the original name you called him.. I think you owe him an apology.

Yeah, he originally called me something to do with putting a donkey in a ditch.

Yeah, he originally called me something to do with putting a donkey in a ditch.

He knew you were reading the thread and so he posted a dirty word just long enough so you could read it, then erased it before the moderators would flag him for it.

i can't believe i just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread. thats all i want to say.

oh one other thing... you guys need to get out more. I have at least one student that springs to mind around the same age who is confidently soloing and improvising over tunes and changes. Good on the kid in the vid, got a natural ear and good feel, that can't be faked.

i can't believe i just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread. thats all i want to say.

oh one other thing... you guys need to get out more. I have at least one student that springs to mind around the same age who is confidently soloing and improvising over tunes and changes. Good on the kid in the vid, got a natural ear and good feel, that can't be faked.

Well it could be if he was doing the Mili Vanili of bass.

Well it could be if he was doing the Mili Vanili of bass.

Or an Ashley Simpson on bass.

What the heaven is that supposed to me, you person, I've never attacked your arguments ad hominem.

*Edited for the kiddies.

This is your way of apologizing? You can do better than that. You're a big boy, admit that you're sorry.

Hello, fountain boy. it's a pleasure to have you speak of my son. I'm grateful for the attention that you're bringing to my family. I refuse to defend his abilities, but to say the least he's 12yrs. old. It's about his love and passion first, then when the mental aspect of his being is maturing the mental perspective of his voice on bass will be educational. I promise!! With love and great respect, his Dad.

Butch ramsey

Butch,

keep that kid playing he sounds great made me grab a bass and start practice he has a great feel !!

:bassist:

remember that guy who knew loads of theory but could play a lick?