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Eric Cioe
05-02-2002, 02:24 PM
if there was a section that went back and forth between 7/8 and 4/4....

would you write it 7/8 and then 4/4 or 15/8? i think it would be easier to read 15/8 than changing time sigs every other measure.

is there any web site on how to write stuff?

john turner
05-02-2002, 02:47 PM
it depends on the pulse and accents, eric. it might work out best to just write it 5/8, and subdivide the measures.

7/8 has a specific feel to it. if the part matches that feel then that's what you use. if not, further subdivisions might be more prudent.

i'd rather count simple short measures that change than long measures that stay the same.

JimK
05-02-2002, 04:20 PM
IMO & FME-
It's easier for me to think "a bar of 4 + a bar of 7/8".
Basically, one bar = "4", the other = "4" MINUS an 1/8th note.
That's easier for me 'cause, mainly, I can't count past 6.


Led Zep's "The Ocean"(main riff) has a bar of 4/4 + a bar of 7/8, right? I'd be damned if I'd wanna count that out to 15! ;)

fhodshon
05-02-2002, 05:57 PM
i write odd meters quite often.

communicating to my band is easier when i break it down into groups of 2's and 3's.

or 3's and 4's.

7/8 = 1 2 3, 1 2, 1 2...

5/8 = 1 2 3, 1 2...

especially if it accented that way.

depends.

fred

beermonkey
05-02-2002, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by john turner
it depends on the pulse and accents, eric. it might work out best to just write it 5/8, and subdivide the measures.

7/8 has a specific feel to it. if the part matches that feel then that's what you use. if not, further subdivisions might be more prudent.

i'd rather count simple short measures that change than long measures that stay the same.

What the multi-string messiah said... It's all about the pulse and feel of the tune. Sometimes it makes sense to write something out as a measure of 7/16 and a measure of 9/16 instead of just one measure of 4/4.

Eric Cioe
05-02-2002, 09:02 PM
its like this

7/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4/4 1 2 3 4 5 (6 7 8)

BOLD = accent
()= rest

how would i do that? what would fit this situation?

john turner
05-02-2002, 10:22 PM
in this case i'd say 7/8 // 4/4 is the way to go.

beermonkey
05-03-2002, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by john turner
in this case i'd say 7/8 // 4/4 is the way to go.

Yep.

john turner
05-03-2002, 11:32 AM
then again, you could do 15 measures of 1/8 :D :rolleyes:

Gunnar Þór
05-03-2002, 12:21 PM
You know what's annoying? Icelandic choir music. Some of it keeps switching between two or even three time sigs every couple of bars.

One bar 2/4, the next 4/4 and the one after that is 3/4. Never regularily.

Go with the changing time sigs, it must be difficult to count 15 8 notes.

thrash_jazz
05-03-2002, 12:45 PM
I'd probably WRITE it as 15/8, but COUNT it as 7/8 + 4/4.

Player
05-03-2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Eric Cioe
its like this

7/8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4/4 1 2 3 4 5 (6 7 8)

BOLD = accent
()= rest

how would i do that? what would fit this situation?

I had a similar thing, but as a 4 bar phrase. I was toying with 4/4, 7/8, 4/4, 7/8.. & 15/16, 15/16 , but it turned out to be 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 3/4

lneal
06-02-2002, 06:21 PM
I voted 15/8 because it will lull the listener into a false sense of security. Then when they think they've got it-- all of a sudden...hey, what happened! I wrote a song that changes from 7/8 to 8/8 to 15/8 and back again. That one keeps ya guessing. I haven't recorded it yet but hopefully will in the near future.

Jeff Moote
06-02-2002, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Gunnar Þór
You know what's annoying? Icelandic choir music. Some of it keeps switching between two or even three time sigs every couple of bars.

One bar 2/4, the next 4/4 and the one after that is 3/4. Never regularily.

Go with the changing time sigs, it must be difficult to count 15 8 notes.

My school music department played a piece like that. "The Joy Of Spring", and that is one sweet song. If anyone wants the composer I'll get it.