Hey TB,

I'm a newbie to bass (played drums for 10 years, guitar for a little over one, and listened to music for a long time). I love the bass, and I respect pretty much everything about it.

But, if I'm going to be in a band, say, just like a standard church band, what does music usually call for in a bass?

I know about roots and all that, but if I want to add just a little character so its not just plain roots, what are some paths I could take when playing?

I've been introduced to 3rds and 5ths, as well as just some pattern ideas, but if I want to make, say, a funky bass line, or a really nice fill, what should I be looking or thinking in my head?

I'm not looking for a set list of steps to think in my head and things for my fingers, but just ideas.

I love idea's from other people, so if you feel inclined to share them (description, tab, etc), it would be greatly appreciated.

Advice would also be great too! Thanks for all your help, and I apologize if this topic has been beaten in the past.

I said you already new about this but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway. I play in the band at our church, and they use alot of what I like to call "worship 3rds." The guitar will play a G A G A progression, and the bass will do a G A B C# progression. I use that alot and it sounds great in that context. I follow the vocal melodies quite a bit. In certain parts where it gets mellow, I'll play the main vocal line, sometimes in a call and response way.

Hope that helps.

The role of the bassist is the groove and nothing but the groove.

OK, that's a touch extreme. But, your first duty it to form the groove. If you can add little touches and keep the groove, cool. But, you never give up the groove to add a little ear candy.

Having said that here are some thoughts: When it comes time for more than just roots, I normally want to do some harmonic movement. I think in terms of the chords--what can get me from one chord to the next.

For example, if I'm cruising along in Gm and about to head to C7, my obvious start and stop points are a G and a C--the root notes for each of those chords. Now, how many ways can you come up with to get you from G to C? Next break them down into beats: How many ways with just one beat? How many ways with two beats? One measure? Two measures?

That will give you a toolbox full of ideas to use in a song. However, if you are still at the point where you have to "plan" it out in your mind before you play it, you will probably find the fills getting you into more trouble then they add to the music in any way. In the practice room, work out all of these ideas; on the gig, serve the groove. Eventually, you will start dropping in the extras while maintaining the groove. It takes a little time, but it will come.

SmittyG gives good advice. I play in Worship band weekly and a classic rock band. The Worship band (Elijah) has really helped me hone my playing.

To answer some of your question, I often borrow riffs (especially those that get me from one chord to another) from classic rock and incorporate them in to the Worship music. I even make notes on my sheet music that says " sounds like "No Reply" by The Beatles.

I also listen very carefully to the drums, the rhythm of the guitar, the serenity or liveliness of the vocals and and the message the song is trying to deliver ... and play to suit. Some songs I will only play a whole note per bar ... others I'll be walking all over the neck ... I also use a lot of octaves when I'm "walking" ... I also like slides ...

To be honest ... my bass playing often dictates to the rest of the members how the song will be played ... my drummer is particularly good at listening to my lines and often follows suit ..

I agree with SmittyG ... and what he said about fills. If you play fills ...play them well ... I play TONS of fills and love it .... but I never play my fills over the lyrics ... just in the breaks of the lyrics ... and my fills are tasteful IMHO and only add to and never take away from the song ... and my fills usually take me from one chord progression to the next.

Enjoy ... it's a pleasure playing for Him ...

I thought the rolls were the drummer's job?

HI

As a bassist, for the most part, you are the link between the rhythm and the melody. Listen to many different styles of music the next few weeks. Listen to how the bassist does what he does. Thats the best way to get a feel for your role. Learn to play in time and with the drummers kick. Also, as you learn to groove make sure it lends itself to the song. Dont step on the vocals or melody. Be tasty. You'll always get work if you know your role

Rob

The role of the bassist is the groove and nothing but the groove.

Yeah, I know you said that's a touch extreme, but I think it's WAY more than extreme because it totally skips the other part of the bass. The role of the bass is to be the bridge between the rhythm (groove, swing, flow, whatever) and the melodic parts AND to DEFINE the harmony.

So, you gotta know the feel and work with the drummer to create a groove for the others to work with. But it's just as vital that you tell everyone what's going on with the harmony too. It's not a specific chord until the bass player gives it a context. The guitars can play all the C chord they want, if I emphasise A and E, it's gonna be an Amin7.

Don't discount either of the functions, groove nor harmony, in defining your role!

jte

Well, I was trying to be a little tongue-in-cheek with my remark--but just a little. Yes, there are a lot of elements and approaches that can come into making up a bassline. However, without the groove, the rest aren't going to serve you too well at all. If you play nothing but root notes, but maintain a great groove, you won't be considered the flashiest player on the block, but you will quickly find yourself one of the most sought after. If you have all the other elements in play but can't maintain a groove, you won't be near the top of the first call list--in fact, you won't be on the list at all. Of course, I can't speak for all music and musical environments. I can only share what I have experienced on my tiny piece of this rock we roll on.

What do you like about the bass lines of others ? Maybe learn those walks/runs/scales/mode and incorporate those into your style.

Do you have a vision in your mind musically of what you want to hear ? If not practice using the mental vision and then finding those notes. Sort of imagine how what you want to play sounds.

Then once you get that figured out or if you like alot people do not have 3 dimensional virtual audio/visual skills then try recording what your playing at church and practice with it.

But if you can get a song stuck in your head playing all day you have the ability but not the discipline to use it yet. If thats the case maybe seeking out some instruction in thoery could be highly beneficial.

Just throwing this out there.


Hey TB,

I'm a newbie to bass (played drums for 10 years, guitar for a little over one, and listened to music for a long time). I love the bass, and I respect pretty much everything about it.

But, if I'm going to be in a band, say, just like a standard church band, what does music usually call for in a bass?

I know about roots and all that, but if I want to add just a little character so its not just plain roots, what are some paths I could take when playing?

I've been introduced to 3rds and 5ths, as well as just some pattern ideas, but if I want to make, say, a funky bass line, or a really nice fill, what should I be looking or thinking in my head?

I'm not looking for a set list of steps to think in my head and things for my fingers, but just ideas.

I love idea's from other people, so if you feel inclined to share them (description, tab, etc), it would be greatly appreciated.

Advice would also be great too! Thanks for all your help, and I apologize if this topic has been beaten in the past.

[pet peeve]I hate having to explain to keyboardists that I'm not a chorus pedal for their left hand. I also hate having to explain to riff-rock guitarists that I'm not an octave pedal for their bottom 3 strings.[/pet peeve] :rolleyes:

[pet peeve]I hate having to explain to keyboardists that I'm not a chorus pedal for their left hand. I also hate having to explain to riff-rock guitarists that I'm not an octave pedal for their bottom 3 strings.[/pet peeve] :rolleyes:

Right on!!! How many times have you heard a keyboard play the melody, bass and vocal parts all at the same time .... It rare to find a guy on keys who knows how to stick to his part ...

Also the guitar guy ... how many times does one need to explain that there are no guitars in Grand Funk's "Some Kind of Wonderful"

What tyrelnorth described is known as "walking bass". You can walk up, you can walk down. You walk in order to move from one chord to the next, or you just walk around in circles. Besides providing the groove, I have always considered it another major role of the bassist to lead the progression, especially when it is a slow-moving progression. Walking from one chord to the next accomplishes this. Other instrumental players - especially the drummer - listen to the bass line to make sure they know where they are in the song.

The role of the bassist is to get the guitar player laid.

In a church band, it's a little different.

when I play in my church I mainly make use of scales and roots 3rds and 5ths. It's extremely useful to know the notes in each scale because you can often walk up/down to new chords, add some little fancy things, etc. But yeah like alot of people have been saying the groove of the song is important for the bassist to keep.

I clicked the link in your sig. That girl has some pipes. Is that you playing ?? If so congrats on the fat warm sound and big walking lines. Big Thumbs up from me !

What tyrelnorth described is known as "walking bass". You can walk up, you can walk down. You walk in order to move from one chord to the next, or you just walk around in circles. Besides providing the groove, I have always considered it another major role of the bassist to lead the progression, especially when it is a slow-moving progression. Walking from one chord to the next accomplishes this. Other instrumental players - especially the drummer - listen to the bass line to make sure they know where they are in the song.

I clicked the link in your sig. That girl has some pipes. Is that you playing ?? If so congrats on the fat warm sound and big walking lines. Big Thumbs up from me !

Thanks for the compliment. :) Unfortunately that singer has moved on - like to Colorado! Yes, that is me playing. It was back in my "make the StingRay sound like a P bass" era. Now I just play a P bass - but I still walk like a big, funky giant. IM(not so)HO. :smug:

Your welcome. I prefer something well played over something fast and noty any day. Good tight playing with your drummer.

Shame on the loss of the Singer. She is a rare talent. Any new stuff your working on ?

Back on topic. \

Get a book of modes and scales and still work on the mental ability to picture the music. It will get you so much mroe flexiability. I always find the hard part getting out what I imagine though. I think that is a never ending battle though.

Thanks for the compliment. :) Unfortunately that singer has moved on - like to Colorado! Yes, that is me playing. It was back in my "make the StingRay sound like a P bass" era. Now I just play a P bass - but I still walk like a big, funky giant. IM(not so)HO. :smug:

Thanks for all the replies!

So now I have a much better understand of what to look for when I'm playing.

Earlier I was just experimenting with some chords, and while it didnt go so bad, I just felt like I wanted a much more vast knowledge of possibilities.

Like for drums, I'm able to play complicated off-beats and syncopations, but I only use them when I feel that the music is asking for it, and I want to be able to have that opportunity for bass.

I appreciate the help so far!

Also, I'm a little confused of how the "Walking" goes. Can somebody elaborate on that for me?

The bass player is the pulse of the band. Weak pulse, weak band. Strong pulse, strong band.

In my opinion...the role of a musician is to break free from roles. Who is to say a bass cannot be a great solo instrument, or play resounding chords? Music evolves and so does the role of any given instrument.

as bass player your the middle man for the band you help keep the timing tight and you help set the rythm for the song as well as providing the low end and giving the whole sound more fullness and body (if a band was a beer then the bass player would be the hopps)

you can also change the feel of the song by moving round behind the chord structure or lead patterns the guitarist is putting down to give the song more emotion or agression as well as throwing in little runs to help break up long bars and to show the guitarist that you can noodle too

define harmony, enhance dynamics, keep the groove. I think of it in terms of a building... we're the foundation. But also those big blocks of iron that gives structure for the building to grow high.

My interpretation of walking my vary from someone else but here goes.

Also this works with the chord thoery of playing or scale playing.

You are playing a chord progression with a gutarist.

Lets say 3 cords.

G c and d

Well we have the chords of G C D and they can be Major Minor and about 3 bajjilion other combinations.

The first thing to identify is the chord. What is it.

So lets say it is a G major a C major and a D major all played in that order.

So we know at a minimum our roots are G C D in that order.

Now we need to find our notes.

We lets use a cheat. Here is a graphical cord and scale charting tool.

http://www.studybass.com/tools/chord-scale-note-printer/

You have to select your tunning and the chord you are wishing to play. but look up the notes for each chord in a all major G C D progression.

So what you do is walk in rythm with the drums through say 3 to infinity notes in the given length of time.

so lets say we have a 3 sets of half notes.

so we play at 90bpm in 4/4 time G for 2 beats, C for 2 beats and D for 2 beats.

So if we play 1/4 notes to each of those chords we can play the root on one beat and another note on the next beat so on and so forth.

Now you can play the root first or the 3rd 5th 7th 9th etera infinity first and you can play those with the drumming in a straight time playing the root with the kick and the higher 3rd 5th etc with the snare. Or you can invert this relationship.

So low high low high low high. or high low high low etc or any mix like in a mixolodyn scale. You can find that on the calculator BTW

This is a very rudimentary idea behind walking.

Now if we play 1/8 we get 4 notes to play half note 8 with 1/16 notes on etc.

Now we can play more notes or less notes but with more rythms and leaving open spaces or playing in straight picking.or we can play with 1/4 note 1/2 note whole note etc.

The basic idea however is that the bass line walk up and down the chord playing either a complimentary scale or playing the chord notes and we walk up and down and we can start high or low a the octave or the 5th etc.

I would investigate some of the country music and blue music from the 60's and 70's alot of good audio illustrations of the walking principals which apply to most styles of music.

I hope this helps ??


Thanks for all the replies!

So now I have a much better understand of what to look for when I'm playing.

Earlier I was just experimenting with some chords, and while it didnt go so bad, I just felt like I wanted a much more vast knowledge of possibilities.

Like for drums, I'm able to play complicated off-beats and syncopations, but I only use them when I feel that the music is asking for it, and I want to be able to have that opportunity for bass.

I appreciate the help so far!

Also, I'm a little confused of how the "Walking" goes. Can somebody elaborate on that for me?