Who thinks Ryan Martinie aka Ryknow from Mudvayne is an awesome bassist. He gets lost in the mix a lot but he's got insane speed where slap is concerned, and he's always doing off the wall fills... I don't know whether it's artistic talent or just pure dumb luck, but he's always playing something that seems unconventional by most rock standards.

Primus Sucks!!!

Lost in the mix? Hell, he IS the mix. I've never had a problem hearing his bass at all. It's not dumb luck, he actually has a backround in jazz fusion, and still does jazz session work when not fufilling his Mudvayne duties.

And yes, he's got an excellent technique and style.
Also of some note it that he tunes GCGCF. He has two full octaves to play with, which makes for some interesting melodic work.

yes, indeed...great bassist...i would really love to hear some of his jazz stuff. mr. martinie is some kind of elusive...you can hardly find out anything about him. but, yes, scour...our buddy ryan draws his roots from the jazz scene.

Well, I wouldn't call his technique great, but it's definitely better than most rock bassists. I actually don't like it when he slaps, because he loses a LOT of bottom end and pretty much falls out of the mix.

However, he's a pretty good bassist. What I like most is how insanely tight he is with the drummer; that's probably the best thing about him.

I like Rhyknow, but I'm not a huge fan of mudvayne anymore. I still really dig some of their stuff, buut for the most part lost interest. He is a bad ass bassist, and i would love to hear him in a non-scream-your-head-off-about-death-and-stuff band. ;) :p

Originally posted by Angus
"I actually don't like it when he slaps, because he loses a LOT of bottom end and pretty much falls out of the mix."


I think that's more along the lines of a Warwick problem than Ryan. He still doesn't get good lows out of GCGCF. I love Ryan's work,but I think he should go with a different kind of bass. His Warwick's cut through the mix great,as far as highs go. As most of us know I'm sure,Warwick isn't as efficient when it comes to lows. Great bassist(would die to hear some of his Jazz work),good technique and overall style. If ya ask me,It's his basses he should change. Not downing Warwick,I love 'em,but for HIS style,he needs something else. Just my 2 cents. -Luke

It's still a Ryan problem because he's the one who chooses to slap, chooses his tone, and chooses his bass. I would say it's his problem, not the bass.

It's his basses he should change

i agree to point. I mean some songs got to have that growl from a warwick like -1, a severed. they would not be what there are without a warwick thumb.

I agree with you, he is definately an underrated bassist, he's got unbelievable skill in his playing and his style.

Hey is the G tuned down??!!! That must make for some pretty floppy strings!!!

Originally posted by odie
Hey is the G tuned down??!!! That must make for some pretty floppy strings!!!

It's a .130 B string downtuned 2 full steps. I tuned that way for about a month, and it's not that hard to get used it. It's mostly adapting your technique to fit the application. That said, I've tuned up since then, but if I had a better bass or a thicker gauge string (prefferable a .145 or so) I wouldn't hesitate to go back.

Does their DVD give you multiple angles to watch???

I know a little off subject.

The "Live Dosage" DVD has only one camera angle. The "Dig" DVD has multiples. -Luke

This has been discused a lot in the past, i'm supprised no one said this yet, there has been a ton of threads on him.


but yes he is a damn good bass player.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=584055

He is freakin ugly, but a bloddy good bass player. He couldnt get the same sound as he does on severed and Internal Primates forever without a Warwick.

What the hell is a Mudvayne and is that the correct spelling? If it is, then what the hell is a vayne?

I'm old.

i think a mudvayne is like a butthole or something....i think their bassplayer is definitely worth checking out, though...i like him anyway.

Originally posted by neptoon
i think a mudvayne is like a butthole or something....i think their bassplayer is definitely worth checking out, though...i like him anyway.
You've got such a dirty mind!! And I will check them out.

Originally posted by kirbywrx
[IMG]He couldnt get the same sound as he does on severed and Internal Primates forever without a Warwick.

Can;t belive no one has said that yet. maybe he doesnt have any lows. alot of new bassists have just given up on the lows because of anal guitarists useing so much lows and making the mix sound like crap when they have alot of lows. you either have to compensate with ALOT OF LOWS (Feildy) or lose some of the lows and try to find a "Middle" bass. I think thats what he's done. and it just wouldnt sound like ryan without the warwick. sounds great in the mix.

Originally posted by lneal

You've got such a dirty mind!! And I will check them out.

hee hee

that is the first thing that came to mind...

Originally posted by neptoon
i think a mudvayne is like a butthole or something....i think their bassplayer is definitely worth checking out, though...i like him anyway.
Well I listened to "Severed" and "Lethal Dosage" by Mudvayne. Don't know if that's representative of their best work or not, but I do have to say that the bassist is pretty darn good. No arguement there.
The music, though, made me wanna go get my .45 and stick the business end in my mouth! So depressing and negative. Not my thang, you know. But that's not to say you shouldn't like it. Just my opinion. Well, I better go put on some Britney and get happy again.

can someone suggest a song for me to download... i honestly cant say that i like their genera of music, cause i stereotypically think of it as kill yourself screaming while playing detuned powerchords music. but hey im always willing to give it a chance.. can someone suggest a song that really shows off their skills songwriting wise and technically

i would say severed or -1...they're both pretty cool tunes. i don't like that genre of music either, but i make an exception with mudvayne...people say that the "nu" in nu-metal stands for "nothing unique" but i say that mudvayne is anything but...i think that matt mcdonough (the drummer) and ryan martinie should do a side project. that would turn our pretty cool, i think...here's another shot of ryan...

http://www.themudpeople.com/images/ryan.jpg

On the DVD, did I miss something? What the hell is in that damn box?

Anyway, I really like mudvayne. The drummer and Ryan really lock well but not only that, the singer really makes me feel it. I cant explain it, its just one of those things that music can do.

yeah! what does he have in the briefcase!? i thought the hubcap part was pretty funny, too

I think that his 'GCGCG' tuning is only on the song 'dig', I read the interview with him in bass player magizine, and that seemed to be the only song that he talked about, or that they featured in the article. I know that he pulls out a different bass just for that song live aswell. Some of his other lines are based around the open "b' string, so I think that he does use a regular tuned 5 string for some (most?) of their material.

He also used a fretted bass on Severed. People seem to be under the impression it's a fretless. I just got the DVD today, and it was most definitely a fretted.

Now I'm GASing for a Thumb...

I like them. They are new metal, btu whats wroing with that. The Drummer and Ryan fit in perfectly, and this is proven on, pfft ALL their songs! The only thing i dont like about LD50, is thats there is too much electronics, too much sound, not produced by the instruments. But apart from that, its pretty darn cool. As for the guitarist, he sounds good, but...neh...he doesnt make the lines AS interesting as they could be

GOOD GOD! I sat down tonight and actually tried to learn some of those songs. THEY ARE ******* HARD!!! I Think Ive become a bit full of myself lately, this was a (not-so)nice wake up. Some of them arnt too difficult but then there are some...sheesh. Also, I like the fact that the guitarist dosnt complicate his lines, it gives the drums and bass more room to work.

I re-bought the CD a few days ago and I fell in love with it all over again. Its been in my car and computer non-stop. Again, I cant tell you how their music makes me feel.

Kirby, I agree with you about the electronics. It leaves the mix on the DVD a bit empty.

hiya, sorry if this was already mentioned, i haven't fully read it all.

first off i think mudvayne refers to a point in romeo and juliet (i think it is), where the king says juliets become mudvayned - filled with mud and inturn a saying for disgustin, appaling etc. :p

my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say!

2 years ago when i was into that kinda music, i saw them live at ozzfest, id been playing about a month then, so that appearnce had a huge effect on my bass views. luckily i didnt just idolize him, and soon 'moved onto' other bassists (and genres), such as good old classics like stanley clarke, stu hamm even to iron maidens steve harris, aswell as the 'newer ones' ie wooten!

erk i rambled a bit back there!
-ben

I like 'em! Good stuff, when the hell are they coming out with a new record anyway? That beginning of the end thing didn't do it for me.



Notice how cool it's become to say you used to like/be into Mudvayne? ;) pretty funny IMO.

i know he does did use a fretless on the ablume on some songs.i know live 3 out of the 4 times i have seen them he played dig on a 4 string.the frist time i saw them but allready new about them he only played one bass the hole show the 5 string thumb bass in the dig video.after the ablume was selling he got more basses.i guess. the frist show i saw him he didnt leave the stage to retune or any thing.he didnt leave the stage at all. so i figure he uses the same tunning for every song.this was on there frist tour for ld 50 befor it came out.

the second time and the rest of the times.i saw them he had a black 4 string thumb he played dig on. u guys say he has no lows in his slap tone i have the same problem with my warwick i just figured out cut the highs a bt and bost bass alittle more..live he didnt have this problem guess he found the right warwick for a slap tone or the right eq qith his ampeg. god i love mudvayne i guess i should find that cd.

Originally posted by Blisshead
Notice how cool it's become to say you used to like/be into Mudvayne? ;) pretty funny IMO.

ack yeah, i never even relized i did that!
i mainly wrote it as i havnt listened to them since at least last september. I found my way back to iron maiden along with some stanley clarke that i got on cd off Ebay!

Originally posted by yoshi


ack yeah, i never even relized i did that!
i mainly wrote it as i havnt listened to them since at least last september. I found my way back to iron maiden along with some stanley clarke that i got on cd off Ebay!

Oh not really you, more the folks who say it to distance themselves from new metal at all costs!!

Originally posted by neptoon
yeah! what does he have in the briefcase!? i thought the hubcap part was pretty funny, too

I believe,but not 100% positive that it's all the footage from the DVD in that briefcase. Matt asks who he should give it to,"Dr. Evil?". In the credits,Dr. Evil is the mixer.:D just a thought. -Luke

Originally posted by yoshi

my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say!


The problem with downloading them is that you really don't know if it's truly them. Post the mp3 if you can, I highly doubt that it's him. I remember someone mentioned a flea solo a while back and it turned out to be an absolutely horrid slap solo with no time and bad tone; and it wasn't flea.

Originally posted by yoshi
my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say!



Probably a fake :)

Things like that love floating around the net with fake names ;)

Originally posted by neptoon


hee hee

that is the first thing that came to mind...


wait a minute...you're in the navy, right? in a ... submarine??? :eek:

good thing you're married. :)



















you are still, married, right?

A little off topic but I really like their lyrics a lot too. They really remind me of my writing in a lot of ways. The layering on there vocals is also quite impressive as well. Wow, I really do like this band. I dont give a crap if theyre numetal or ohlmetal.

Again, a bit off topic. Are some parts of their songs in diffrent time sigs?

Originally posted by old_skool


Again, a bit off topic. Are some parts of their songs in diffrent time sigs?

The bit going into and out of the bridge of dig is pretty unusual...

Originally posted by old_skool
A little off topic but I really like their lyrics a lot too.
hey old_skool,
Just out of curiosity, what is it about their lyrics that you like? I'm not being a smart-ass but they just seem so negative and depressing, as I said earlier. It really turned me off. I'm a student of human nature and I wonder how lyrics like theirs can make one person feel good and another feel like shooting himself in the head. Is it some commentary on the psyche of today's youth? Help me here!
This is genuine curiosity on my part, no offense intended to you or anybody else.

Originally posted by lneal

hey old_skool,
Just out of curiosity, what is it about their lyrics that you like? I'm not being a smart-ass but they just seem so negative and depressing, as I said earlier. It really turned me off. I'm a student of human nature and I wonder how lyrics like theirs can make one person feel good and another feel like shooting himself in the head. Is it some commentary on the psyche of today's youth? Help me here!
This is genuine curiosity on my part, no offense intended to you or anybody else.

Sometimes, when you are feeling down, or deepressed or whatever, you jsut want ti hit something. Listeing to this type of music can help release anger and vent your feelings. Frustraion is another feeling that comes to mind. The lyrics "Let me help you tie the rope around your neck, let me hold the glock against your head" gove you the feeling that someone you really dont like is getting to you, and annyoing you, and this is what you want to do to them.

Punk also has the same lyrical properties, but those lyrics tend to relate to girls, or love life, or family problems.

Sorry for butting in, but i just found a good place to vent my thoughts :D

The beautiful thing about music, of any kind, is that it can mean so many things to so many people.

Its knowing that someone else feels the same exact thing I do and can express it how they do. As I said, The lyrics remind me a lot of what I write and in turn a lot of what I feel. I may get angry or violent (rarely) sounding in some of my lyrics but in reality Im usually a very calm and down to earth individual.

The bass and drums work very well with each other, as others have mentioned. They way the lyrics/vocals weave around each other creating diffrent textures. The guitar playing isnt really anything out of this world but it works, well, might I add. Nothing to Gein is a good example of all these things.

I cant completely explain all of what I feel, I guess thats where I let the music do that...

yo search for 'bass solos - mudvayne - live bass solo (1)' on kazza, thats where it came form.

Ive just listened to it myself (rather than a few feet off the pc with my bro sat at it), and one thing i noticed rigth away is the snare sounds nothing like mudvaynes, and if its live i doubt they'd se a differnt snare to the rest of the songs?

also the slap doesnt have that warwicky goodness tone. Listen to it n se eif any of you can place a finger on who it could be...

it has similar speed bursts to clarke and wooten though, and a funk-a-dellic feel similar to some flea stuff ive heard?

Originally posted by lneal

hI'm a student of human nature and I wonder how lyrics like theirs can make one person feel good and another feel like shooting himself in the head. Is it some commentary on the psyche of today's youth? Help me here!
This is genuine curiosity on my part, no offense intended to you or anybody else.

I think it lies in that you take the music all to literally. I think the best way to listen to metal is to not nessicarily analyze it and look for meaning. Instead of looking at the lyrics as a provocation of anger, violence, or "feeling good" is a rather futile endeavor. When listing to music like this, instead of listing to it with your whole being, (this is where is get's New Age-y) let the music pry you open, and go swimming around in your anger. Don't think of it as release for anger, or as a relating sould behind the mic. Instead, take the music, and let it breath and live in your anger. Maybe then you can apprieciate it the way some of us do.

It's like how a chocolate bar would make you happy, the music makes your anger happy. It needs to be fed, just like any other stimulus in the body. Now us musicians can channel the anger back through music, which might be why so many dissedents make music.

That's why some of us can listen to music like that and not "feel like shooting ourself in the head." Simply because if the music lives and breaths in anger, it shouldn't effect any other part of the mind, i.e. sorrow or deppression. If it does, it's because you let the music touch there. When I listen, I let the music in to the parts the music effects, be it anger, sorrow, joy, ect. and don't let it seep into the other parts

Would you listen to Pop when you are angry as all get out? Metal when you're feeling smooth like a milkshake? Probably not. So you only let the music in where it is needed, when it is needed.

Of course that's the way I listen to music. I know when I listen to Mudvayne, I really dig on their musical aspects (and in fact can/do listen to it independantly of the vocals) and their lyrics, sometimes at different times, sometimes at the same time. Either way, It makes me feel content and good (going back to what I said earlier), just like eating a good meal.

Maybe that helps, Ineal?

Thanks for the insight guys. I do understand that music can speak to us in many different ways. Sometimes I get mad and want to strangle someone, just like we all do, and just doing it vicariously through someone's lyrics is a better alternative than violence. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music, and each kind evokes different feelings in me.
As far as Mudvayne and others like them are concerned, I do like the energy level of the music. It is very intense and speaks to you in a primal way. I guess that's it.
Well, I just enjoy getting into the human psyche, and the dark side of it needs as much nurturing as the rest of it. If you ignore it, then you will probably end up on "America's Most Wanted".
Thanks for taking the time.


Larry

Originally posted by john turner



wait a minute...you're in the navy, right? in a ... submarine??? :eek:

good thing you're married. :)



















you are still, married, right?



yup! still married.....and on shore duty ;) i can't wait to get back to sea though....and float around in those long, black, shiny, :eek: uhhhhhh.....nevermind



:D

By the way, I had my friend download the file, and it's definitely not mudvayne. It's Les Claypool. It's his solo from "Tommy The Cat" off of "Suck This". There's no slapping in it, either.

i'll second that...jusrt listened to it. i don't understand how someone could mistake les claypool for anyone else. he has got one of the most unique identifiable voices out there. sloppy, too, les claypool syle....i still dig it...

I also recommend you fans get hold of 'The Beginning Of all Things To End' by Mudvayne. It's a rerelease of their old 'Kill I Oughta' disc. The songs Seed, Cultivate and I.D.I.O.T. are great examples of where Mudvayne came from, and how they got to where they are now.

when i read mudvayne i kinda think there up lifting .like dig to me its like saying ****u i dont need this.i dont have to take this.there's one song i really like ,he talks about his farther leaving .if you listen you under stand he like i eu left i hatted u but i dont care its in the pass but i still hate,like hes over it .

Originally posted by PanteraFan
I also recommend you fans get hold of 'The Beginning Of all Things To End' by Mudvayne. It's a rerelease of their old 'Kill I Oughta' disc. The songs Seed, Cultivate and I.D.I.O.T. are great examples of where Mudvayne came from, and how they got to where they are now.

There's one thing that makes them totally different from what they were then. Ryknow!! That was a different bass player on their first stuff. They weren't Ryknow's lines. That's the main reason I didn't care for the cd too much, is that it sounded flat just like most new(er) metal out there.

Scott

Originally posted by shaggyc_umr


There's one thing that makes them totally different from what they were then. Ryknow!! That was a different bass player on their first stuff. They weren't Ryknow's lines. That's the main reason I didn't care for the cd too much, is that it sounded flat just like most new(er) metal out there.

Scott

That would explain why I didn't like it!

Originally posted by PanteraFan
I also recommend you fans get hold of 'The Beginning Of all Things To End' by Mudvayne. It's a rerelease of their old 'Kill I Oughta' disc. The songs Seed, Cultivate and I.D.I.O.T. are great examples of where Mudvayne came from, and how they got to where they are now.

Kill I oughta was pre-ryan mudvayne...so in my opinion...not worth listening to..haha. For those of you interested, I just got word that new mudvayne cd comes out November 19, although their web page says nothing of a new cd.

Im about a quater of the way thru downloading their 12 minute set from when they played at HoB (House of Blues) and all i can say is whoa...

The drummer and Ryan are just...perfect. Ryan was slapping the verse riff of "Dig" and my video card cant keep up with his hand speed.

This man is something all the other bass gods should fear...

Originally posted by kirbywrx
This man is something all the other bass gods should fear...

Face Paint! :D


I had that, it's not your card, it's a crappy recording. You want to be blown away, get the live DVD. :eek: I watch it about once a day, and am continually blown away...

Same here, watch it almost every night.

On mudvayne's lyrics: There is more to their lyrics and vision than just "Kill, die, you suck, go rot". Some of their lyrics focus attension on a idea that we are all primates, and evolved from getting "High" of of some kind of natrual drug, shrooms, or whatever. and that we stil are, in effect, primates,,,, but high ones..... Just thought id let you guys know that. I've had a chance to hang with a few of them, pretty cool guys without the makeup, they act just as stupid as they do with it on.

I think Martinie is one of the most original voices in rock bass in a long time, and that Mudvayne is by far the best of the nu-metal bands (not saying much, though). It's sad that they have to stoop to such ridiculous showmanship to get their music across.

Maybe they'll take off the makeup some day.

I think the make-up adds to the performance. Its like a show more than just regular guys playing and it gives them another personality, and why not have a little fun with it.

i love mudvayne i think they great.but i hate nu metal like i figure what the point to all the names to me theres jazz rock pop rap reggae and meatl

Originally posted by PollyBass
On mudvayne's lyrics: There is more to their lyrics and vision than just "Kill, die, you suck, go rot". Some of their lyrics focus attension on a idea that we are all primates, and evolved from getting "High" of of some kind of natrual drug, shrooms, or whatever. and that we stil are, in effect, primates,,,, but high ones..... Just thought id let you guys know that. I've had a chance to hang with a few of them, pretty cool guys without the makeup, they act just as stupid as they do with it on.

That was my understanding sort of a concept album about drugs and evolution, and the interwining of the two. I think it's actually rather cool. They lyrics are far from trite (well, save a couple songs) and I think the whole album is cool. I mean, a nu-metal concept album? They have balls, if nothing else.

And I also agree with Pete, that Martinie is a phenomonal rock bassist. Though I never took issue with the makeup. It's a show, let them be showmen. The fact is that it doesn't cover for a lack of musicianship. Lets hope they continue to improve.

I think the make-up is like going back to the cock rockers of the 80's. I think it will be frowned upon because of that in the future. Oh well, I like the music for the music. I could give a crap what they look like.

makeup? we're talking about the war paint, right?

:)

Originally posted by old_skool
I think the make-up is like going back to the cock rockers of the 80's. I think it will be frowned upon because of that in the future. Oh well, I like the music for the music. I could give a crap what they look like.

There's something to this--the tattoos, piercings, and hair dye trend is very much akin to the mascara and Aqua Net trend of the '80s.

In this regard, as well as the general feeding frenzy aspect of it all, the whole nu-metal thing has been very similar to the hair band explosion of the late '80s.

Originally posted by yoshi

my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say!



There are two of those on Kazaa right now, and they're both the same Primus solo. :(

just because you can play fast doesnt mean you are good

I find it hard to take someone's music seriously when they go so far out of their way to look so f-ing stupid. He looks like he just pulled his head out of his a$$ and forgot to wipe his face off.

Originally posted by jtd125
just because you can play fast doesnt mean you are good


It'd be good if you would actually listen to Ryknow before you made a statement like that.

Originally posted by Turock
I find it hard to take someone's music seriously when they go so far out of their way to look so f-ing stupid. He looks like he just pulled his head out of his a$$ and forgot to wipe his face off.

I think the spikes shooting out of his forehead explain why he's covered in blood, too.

;)

If you let a bands look deture you from how they sound, I greatly pitty you. Why should you even care how they look? Is that you what you base your judgments on? How the bands music looks on paper or how they look on stage. Music is for the heart, soul, and ears.

I mean, I wouldnt let my ears match my sock laundry.

Originally posted by old_skool
If you let a bands look deture you from how they sound, I greatly pitty you.
Don't waste your double-t pity on me. Save it for the bands that think they have to look like a saturday-morning-wrestling clownish freak show.



Originally posted by old_skool

Why should you even care how they look? Well, aren't they trying to portray a "look"?




Originally posted by old_skool

Is that you what you base your judgments on? Sometimes.



Originally posted by old_skool

Music is for the heart, soul, and ears.
I agree. It kinda makes you wonder why they are going for something visual. Maybe you should inform them about that.


Originally posted by old_skool

I mean, I wouldnt let my ears match my sock laundry.
I wouldn't either, but... hey, that's just me.

Turock, what do you think about his bass playing? Geez. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Onesidezero
Turock, what do you think about his bass playing? Geez. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez :rolleyes: :rolleyes: " bit.

Originally posted by Turock

If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez :rolleyes: :rolleyes: " bit.

Whoa, sorry champ! Didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled - it just seems that you're trying to start something coming in here and immediatly dismissing him because he looks stupid (which I do agree - the makeup needs to go). I know if we get in a huge argument over it, they'll close the thread, so honestly - what do you think about his playing? And try not to call people childish when you're the one writing people off because of looks, hmm? There ya go. :D

Originally posted by Onesidezero


And try not to call people childish when you're the one writing people off because of looks, hmm? There ya go. :D
I don't write people off because of looks, sonny boy. I write people off who go way out of their way to look stupid.
My opinion of his playing? I gotta agree with Josh. Good one, man.

I don't personally like the makeup crap either, however, if it hadn't been for their look, there would be many of us who would even know that he existed. I am a huge mudvayne fan and that look is what made me curious to what they were about. I was channel surfin one night and I passed by their "dig" video on mtv2, and I thought "what the hell is that??!!" I stopped channel surfing right in my tracks. Then I started listening. It was some of the best, (IMO), new stuff that I had heard in a long time. So I downloaded a couple other songs of theirs and eventually went out and bought both CD's and both DVD's.

All the makeup does, IMO, is get you noticed, and in their case it did a very good job of that. If you watch their "Dig" DVD, their drummer, (if I remember right, I haven't watched it in a while), talks about the makeup. He talks about how they go their seperate ways to do thier own makeup, and that it is like a release. It's kind of like going on stage as someone else. I personally feel that getting on stage and playing music is release enough for me, but they apparantly wanted something more. If they are getting what they want out of it, fine. Its their livelyhood, their music, their makeup. For those that don't like it, I'm sure that they could honestly care less. (and I'd imagine that they would tell you so.)

Originally posted by Turock

I don't write people off because of looks, sonny boy. I write people off who go way out of their way to look stupid.
My opinion of his playing? I gotta agree with Josh. Good one, man.


You haven't heard him play have you?


Make excuses for ignorance. Good idea. I'm tired of close-minded, pompous people - Go download "Severed", forget what they look like, and listen to the man play. This conversation is over - listen to the subject at hand before you open your mouth (or start typing) and spew ignorant thoughts across the forum.

What nobody is even mentioning is that music can be spiritual blah blah, but most of all its entertainment. My have fancy lights, backdrops, smoke, fancy lighting, lazers, and all that.

How many bands have crazy hair?? Dreds, hair ball hair-do's heck look at JT and that crazy mohawk :)!! Its for entertainment , its for creating a look. Granted Im not into the crazy extremes that some bands do(Kiss, Slipknot) but I sure dont want to look and duded that look like my Dad if I want to be entertained. Dont get me wrong I can sit down and watch some normal guys jam some mean tunes, but I also like to be entertained visually.

For anyone to knock a player for there looks without listening to them first, is very close minded.
But to hear them first then be critical is ok. I'll rip on Gene Simmons as a bass player but not as an entertainer. To be it sounds like some people around here are just alittle old and frumpy(sp?).

Originally posted by Onesidezero



You haven't heard him play have you?


Make excuses for ignorance. Good idea. I'm tired of close-minded, pompous people - Go download "Severed", forget what they look like, and listen to the man play. This conversation is over - listen to the subject at hand before you open your mouth (or start typing) and spew ignorant thoughts across the forum.
I'm sorry that you feel that way, Onesidezero.

I personally love his playing. I think he is very very talented. I will be honest though. When I first saw pictures of them I was thinking "Jeez look at these guys? They probally sound horrid". Downloaded Dig, and I wasnt impressed at all. Then I downloaded Severd. Then promptly went out and bought the cd and listened to it untill the cd died on me. I need to get anouther one. But hell, they even admited that the make up was a cheep special effect. I mean Everyone has a light show at concerts. When they started with the make up they probally couldnt afford lights so its just adding a bit more. I personally like theatrics to a live performence. It can add big time to your sound live, adding visual to the music. Then again all the theatrics in the world cant save you if your music sucks(In my eyes at least). But anywho, Like Mudvayne. Lots!!

Originally posted by Turock

I'm sorry that you feel that way, Onesidezero.

Well, Turok, he does have a point (though rather aggressively made). If you have not, and are not willing to listen to him, any and all criticisms are invalididated, even if it is for his stage show. I think you owe it to your argument to at least know what you are criticizing. At least then it would be an informed opinion, instead of a baseless one.

If you're not willing to listen to the music for the looks, it's like not listening to the music for the cover art on the album.

So, as Onesidezero suggested, I think you should at least listen to a song or two, and then pass judgement, rather than booing his stage presence as a representative of his ability.

music is so very rooted in the dramatic arts, at least in western culture, that i think it's cool to see people adding a visual element to their art, especially after a decade of mope-rock. music is, at least in part, a performance art, and bringing a variety of stimuli to the show is....good entertainment, i guess.

how much of this is storytelling? and how much of storytelling involves a dramatic presentation that goes beyond the perceptions of a single set of sense organs? enough to justify the get up, i think. of course, that's just my opinion....

Originally posted by Brendan


Well, Turok, he does have a point (though rather aggressively made). If you have not, and are not willing to listen to him, any and all criticisms are invalididated, even if it is for his stage show. I think you owe it to your argument to at least know what you are criticizing. At least then it would be an informed opinion, instead of a baseless one.

You are making the same assumption as Onesidezero, and doing the very thing I am being accused of... which is, having an uninformed, baseless opinion, since not you nor he nor odie could possibly know what I have listened to. Just because I haven't answered his "You haven't heard him play have you?" question, or given him my opinion, doesn't mean anything, except that I didn't appreciate the way I was being talked to, and I was not going to give him an answer.

Originally posted by Turock

You are making the same assumption as Onesidezero, and doing the very thing I am being accused of... which is, having an uninformed, baseless opinion, since not you nor he nor odie could possibly know what I have listened to. Just because I haven't answered his "You haven't heard him play have you?" question, or given him my opinion, doesn't mean anything, except that I didn't appreciate the way I was being talked to, and I was not going to give him an answer.

Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption. Also you were not nessicarily vocal in you position of displeasure of his verbal stance (instead what may be called "surly"). Leaving him to assume ignorance.
Since no parties involved like assuming, it is a precarious position we have been placed in.

So I will ask in a manner wich is forthright, and polite: Have you heard any of Ryan Martinie's playing (and we will not count the song Dig, because it's popcorn fodder), such as the aforementioned Severed? Or possibly, -1, Cradle, Know Forever, or Nothing to Gein?

Man Brendan you're either in early training to be a lawyer or you watch to much Law and Order!!

Well said!!! I assumed Turock hasnt listened to the said band.

Never seen Law and Order.

what is a good song that the "ryknow" does some crazy slap ****?????

Originally posted by oldirtymoney
what is a good song that the "ryknow" does some crazy slap ****?????

None really. He's pretty restrained in his slapping. He uses it, but not in an agressive manner, ergo Flea, Wooten, Claypool, ect. He uses a lot a fingerstyle and chords (broken or otherwise). Nor are there breaks where he solo's...though for a clear cut slap break, Under My Skin has a section where he slaps rather audibley.

Originally posted by Brendan


Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption. Also you were not nessicarily vocal in you position of displeasure of his verbal stance (instead what may be called "surly"). Leaving him to assume ignorance.
Not "nessicarily vocal"? Here is my very first response to him:
Originally posted by Turock

If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez :rolleyes: :rolleyes: " bit.

So I will ask in a manner wich is forthright, and polite: Have you heard any of Ryan Martinie's playing (and we will not count the song Dig, because it's popcorn fodder), such as the aforementioned Severed? Or possibly, -1, Cradle, Know Forever, or Nothing to Gein?
I could say that I have. What would that mean? I could say anything. You have already made your assumption, and that puts me in a no-win situation, because if I say I have, then I am a liar; and if I say I haven't, then I am "spewing ignorant thoughts across the forum". No thanks.
If you guys like it, that's great. I haven't suggested that you shouldn't.

this may be a little off topic, but does he use thumb NT's or BO's ?

Originally posted by Brendan
Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption.

We are? Didn't know I was. . .I thought he just didn't answer the question. . . :)

Seriously though, in my book that's the one of the largest "civil" evils perpetrated these days: if someone doesn't answer your question, you get to assume the worst. The ". . . that's what I thought" reaction.

media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

Originally posted by geshel


media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

Hmm...a couple of gay guys told me I look like Kevin Spacey...therefore, Kevin Spacey must be gay!

Bow before my ARMOR-PLATED LOGIC, Cooper Boy.

:D

Originally posted by boomerang
this may be a little off topic, but does he use thumb NT's or BO's ?

He uses 5 and 4 string Neck Thrus - he has a black 5 and a natural (bubinga) 5, and then a natural 4 with gold hardware.

Originally posted by Turock

Not "nessicarily vocal"? Here is my very first response to him:


If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez :rolleyes::rolleyes" bit.

In which case I was uninformed on my part, and I apologize.

Also, looking over the fact, I can see that it was only myself and Onesidezero that made assumptions. For this, I also apologize. I was wrong, and offer my hand to you.
You are perfectly alright to not say, however I do hope that regardless of idiocy (on my part included), you will venture your opinion on his playing. With the net and all, it only takes a bit to download a song, so in any situation, you CAN hear he stuff enough to respond to the question, "What do you think of his playing."

I askd politely, after having made an ass of myself, and after possibly doing it again, I'll ask nicely again: What do you think of Ryan Martinie's playing?

Originally posted by geshel


We are? Didn't know I was. . .I thought he just didn't answer the question. . . :)

Seriously though, in my book that's the one of the largest "civil" evils perpetrated these days: if someone doesn't answer your question, you get to assume the worst. The ". . . that's what I thought" reaction.

media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

Call me cynical, but in a day and age where privacey is a crime, the media generally relys on the 5th amendment (Do not have to forward informationthat is self incriminating) as a law. So if someone doesn't say something, then it must be either true (the Kevin Spacey example) or important to the person.
Personally, I think freedom of the press does not entail rights to intrude. Can I get an amendment to the 1st that covers media mongers?

I think he was just being a jerk about it. The only negativity I sensed was from Turok the rest of the discussion was just a debate and arguement.

Either way Im bowing out.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yoshi
my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say! on the bass player magazine interview he said he uses a .130 as the E string. damn. when i tune down in ryknow tuning it sounds awsome except for the B. i think its a .130, but ill try a .135 and see if its any better.



the slap solo that is for downloaded is not ryknow. it is actually les claypool, i have a live video where he plays it. it stupid, i know, but its true.

http://www.geocities.com/hellishscourge/0641032.jpg

I was just goin say that, yeah is the les clay not the ryknow dude

Weird. If Peter McFerrin looks like Kevin Spacey and Kevin Spacey is gay by ommision, then clearly Mr. Ryknow needs Turock as his personal trainer.

hello, my name is Damien i wish i know how i can obtain the bass sound from Mudvayne. I have a SVT3 PRO and a Ibanez SR705. Do any of you knowthe precise adjustment (equalization 9...)for obtaint this sound?
Thank you for all, sorry for my English i'm French
A+
DAM

(wrong forum btw)
I don't think anyone but Mr. Martinie himself and his Bass tech would know the precise adjustments on the knobs for Ryan's sound.....but I do know it is gonna take a Warwick or something similar sounding to nail the tone. Some thick gauged High Beams would help get the brightness in the sound, though.

I think most of a person sound is in their hands, I am not sure knob twirling will work.

ah, like the sound he gets when he finger slaps

It would also take an SVT2 Pro and I know he uses the mids from his guitarist's amp...so that is a factor to his sound too.

edit: this might help --> http://guitargeek.com/rigview/505/

btw, didn't Leo Fender always say "Don't emulate, innovate" or " Innovate, don't emulate"?

blah, dude, just play his lines and somewhere done the line you'll have nailed his tone!

c'mon dude, give this guy some slack, this seems like DAY #1 on TB for him...

Wrong forum, and he gets his tone from his technique and warwick basses.

Another thread I could have made better, or non-existant.

cut this dude some slack, Kaz, this is probably his first day on talkbass...

and he said he's from France...we don't need more French thinking we're brownholes

first technique: fingerstyle - over pickups (thumb 5 string..... near the bridge) and middle between bridge and neck

second technique: kind of mix between slap and fingersound - he hits the strings hard (mix of fingering and tapping) just tap the strings on the frets @ the end of the fretboard (24 to 20 fret) and add some pull-offs and hammer-ons if u use that technique (listen to not falling)

third technique: slapping and poping use some pull-offs if u use that.........(listen to the song dig)


the sound: u need presence and middles, whit a bit of distortion (not to much he use tube distortion) u need a box whit high frequence (got to have a horn) get an full tube amp (or use the bass pod)compress the sound... and get an warwick thumb bass u will need it................(he plays an 4 string neck thru and an 5 string neck thru)

Originally posted by fretless85
the sound: u need presence and middles, whit a bit of distortion

I think it was Obsolex who told me he uses the mids from the guitarist's amp, so doesn't he get the distorted mids from there?

Originally posted by FiveStringsNme
cut this dude some slack, Kaz, this is probably his first day on talkbass...

and he said he's from France...we don't need more French thinking we're brownholes

Sorry, I was mad yesterday.

Originally posted by Tyler Hole


I think it was Obsolex who told me he uses the mids from the guitarist's amp, so doesn't he get the distorted mids from there?

no he gets the mids from his thumb and the distortion from his stv

btw: the guitar is the rythm instrument in this band not the bass just listen to some songs.......

Originally posted by fretless85


no he gets the mids from his thumb and the distortion from his stv


Aight, cool.

Originally posted by Tyler Hole


Aight, cool.

yea ive seen them 2 times live and ryan is insane such an great technique its unbelievable

Originally posted by fretless85


yea ive seen them 2 times live and ryan is insane such an great technique its unbelievable

Now I'm jealous! Thanks :spit:
























You know I'm just kiddin with ya! Cept I am jealous, I really wanna see em live!:bawl:

i know that ur kiddin :)

just try that @ damien


http://www.planet-guitar.net/artists/mudvayne/workshop/bild1.gif

wrong forum, i'll move this on over to bassists. welcome to talkbass, by the way.


as for all you other neighborhood watch members, get a hobby. i don't need your help, and what you're doing is not helpful anyway, but just serves to make folks not feel welcome.

Originally posted by fretless85
i know that ur kiddin :)

just try that @ damien


http://www.planet-guitar.net/artists/mudvayne/workshop/bild1.gif

Isn't there also the fact that he tunes so weird?

and that

http://www.planet-guitar.net/artists/mudvayne/workshop/bild2a.gif

Originally posted by Tyler Hole


Isn't there also the fact that he tunes so weird?

yea he tunes different....... C-G-c-g-f

he tunes so low yet when I see live videos his strings look so tight.

Originally posted by Tyler Hole
he tunes so low yet when I see live videos his strings look so tight.

"so low" that isnt that low i tune the same and the strings are still tight just try it btw it depends on the string gauge i use 110 on my 4 string and on my 5 string 140 (lowest string)

Ryan uses a .140 for his low G, and Tyler they are amazing live, they are playing tonight at the Rave, but at the same time in the smaller room Thursday is playing and I'm going to see them since I've seen Mudvayne 13 times.
peace
-Ben

Oh damn...your so lucky! Stop making me so jealous everyone :hiding:

Originally posted by Tyler Hole
he tunes so low yet when I see live videos his strings look so tight.



My guess is he adjusts his action. :hmm:

Originally posted by Tyler Hole


Aight, cool.

No dude, he runs his bass through one of GreGs mesa cabs to get some extra distortion... I've read this in probably 3 or 4 interviews... No lie.
l8-

Originally posted by fretless85


yea he tunes different....... C-G-c-g-f

They tune G-C-G-C-F GCgcf... The guitarist is tuned CGCFAD. For the guitarist it's just drop D down a step. For ryan it's ADADG down a step.

Originally posted by Obsolex


No dude, he runs his bass through one of GreGs mesa cabs to get some extra distortion... I've read this in probably 3 or 4 interviews... No lie.
l8-

he uses an stv II pro i read that in a few interviews..........

Originally posted by fretless85


he uses an stv II pro i read that in a few interviews..........

Yeah dude. I wasn't talking about his head... He uses (2) SVT-II Pro's, and 2 8x10PRhlf's. But he runs his sound through one of gregs cabs also for some extra distortion...

Actually Greg Tunes B,F#,B,E,G#,C# I've read that in a couple interviews, and have been told personally by him.
peace
-Ben

Originally posted by Saetia
Actually Greg Tunes B,F#,B,E,G#,C# I've read that in a couple interviews, and have been told personally by him.
peace
-Ben

Sorry, I should have specified, they use both tunings man. They recorded L.D 50 with B, F#, B,E (G#, C#). But they recorded THE END OF ALL THINGS TO COME with CGCF, and they play everything live with GCGCF...

I wasnt even thinking of the new album haha, sorry, just remember talking to him about the B,F#,B,E,G#,C# , and forgot about the CGCFAD. Anywho
peace
-Ben

Originally posted by Saetia
I wasnt even thinking of the new album haha, sorry, just remember talking to him about the B,F#,B,E,G#,C# , and forgot about the CGCFAD. Anywho
peace
-Ben

GCGCF, anyway, it's all good man ;) ;)

He uses the mesa cab for extra MIDrange not distortion their turbo. If you find distortion on any albulm its probably becuase its to loud or in somebodys system with a bad EQ.

OH yea I believe he powers the guitar cab with a SWR redhead combo amp and bypasses the sub.

I think he said in an interveiw that he ripped the speaker out of a workingman's combo and then put that through the mesa cab, but I could be wrong, but I know that he uses an ampeg svt2 pro head through an 810 pro cab (I don't know the exact name)

Originally posted by cwbassist
I think he said in an interveiw that he ripped the speaker out of a workingman's combo and then put that through the mesa cab, but I could be wrong, but I know that he uses an ampeg svt2 pro head through an 810 pro cab (I don't know the exact name)

I don't know if he trades the speakers man... Anyway, he uses 2 Ampeg SVT-II (2) Pro's, and 2 Ampeg PR-810hlf 8x10 cabs...

all of us are correct. yes he uses 2 8x10 pro cabs SVT 2 heads and maybe live or in studio he uses SWR combo head run thru a mesa guitar cab. I dont think hes the type of guy to rip up a perfectly good combo.:bassist: but now im just that guy that thinks he knows it all.:D ;)

Ryan Martinie is probably one of my top 3 bassists. His tone is incredible, and i love the basslines he plays. He has increedible speed, both on fingerstyle and slapping. Yea hes a nu metal bassist, but people need to give ihm credit.

Originally posted by Figjam
Ryan Martinie is probably one of my top 3 bassists. His tone is incredible, and i love the basslines he plays. He has increedible speed, both on fingerstyle and slapping. Yea hes a nu metal bassist, but people need to give ihm credit.

Damn straight :D ;)

I got to this concert 5 hours before they opened the doors. I was the first one there,first one in line,first one through the door and it paid off. I was front and centered. Hell of a show in every aspect. I also drove 3 hours to see them,but I'm not complaining. ;) -Luke

See the pics here (http://www.freewebs.com/theprodigalproject/Mudvayne.htm)

tell me if im wrong but usually i thought Ryan played with a Warwick 4 string and tuned it B F# B E ...in the music videos he plays with a 5 but live he plays with a 4...and recently like on World So COld he plays with a 4 string...im fairly sure but tell me if wrong

He uses 4 and 5 strings.

man......u guys r freakin dumb. Ryan Martinie is one of the est bassists ever. he's not only melodic, but packs a powerful punch using the slap style. i cant belive u guys say he doesnt have any lows. u gotta b kidding me!!! r u not listening to the songs?? look up the tabs and try to play em. he usually goes in intervols of highs and usually lows for the chorus. he's incredibly tight with not only the drummerbut also the guitarist. he's also an awsome preformer live. ive seen them onthe Summer Sanitarium Tour andat the House of Blues and bothshows were awsome. i have very much respect for him.

And how r u gunna say warwicks dont give good lows? thats so rediculous. try playing one, and thentry playing one on his setup.u'll rumble the neighborhood.he also uses sum nice DR string toreally hit those LOWS.

And how r u gunna say warwicks dont give good lows? thats so rediculous. try playing one, and thentry playing one on his setup.u'll rumble the neighborhood.he also uses sum nice DR string toreally hit those LOWS.

I've played many Warwicks(Streamers,Thumbs,Corvettes),and to this day I don't think they have good lows. There are many basses out there with better all around sound for alot less money. I wouldn't say DR strings have anything to do with him going LOW. He tune's his bass down to receive the lows he does. -Luke

wut i ment was, he uses thicker DR strings when he plays his 4 string to get good lows. and i'm sure u could find basses that deliver better lows, but its crazy to say he cant get a good low sound when he plays. its deffinately not the lowest sound ever, but it packs a good punch when he slaps the E or B string. he also usually plays a pattern combinatin of 0',2's & 3's on the E or B string during a fast chorus. but i wouldnt ever knock a warwick thumb bass, cause theyre pretty tight.

yer also right bout the tuning of course, cause his tuning deffinately allows him to get nice lows and highs for melody.

pretty cool website luke. lotta cool bands u listed for yer influences and likes. wut kinda bass ru playin in yer picture? - Alex

pretty cool website luke. lotta cool bands u listed for yer influences and likes. wut kinda bass ru playin in yer picture? - Alex

It's a Peavey Cirrus six string. Flammed maple top over alder body. I gotta Conklin GT7 seven string coming this week. No offense to Warwick's,I love them,especially Thumbs. Thanks for checking out my site. -Luke

Just heard Know Forever by Mudvayne......I can only hear the trebbly end of Ryan's bass playing because of an over active bass drum/ not big powerful speakers. If he tunes GCGCF, does that mean it's ultra deep?

Just heard Know Forever by Mudvayne......I can only hear the trebbly end of Ryan's bass playing because of an over active bass drum/ not big powerful speakers. If he tunes GCGCF, does that mean it's ultra deep?


He tunes low, but that doesn't mean he always plays low notes. And I think his tone is naturally growly from the warwick, and set general flat with a bit of boost anywhere in the bass, mid, and treble registers. And a lot of his tone is because of his aggressive technique as well.

I can hear the warwick cutting through the guitar, but only the trebbly bits to be honest. Mebbe I need to stick it on a more powerful set of speakers......he's not bad, but I can't understand why everyone is saying he's so awesome....he's just doing a bit of slapping and popping...

I can hear the warwick cutting through the guitar, but only the trebbly bits to be honest. Mebbe I need to stick it on a more powerful set of speakers......he's not bad, but I can't understand why everyone is saying he's so awesome....he's just doing a bit of slapping and popping...
Well hes about 1000x better than Mike Kroeger, so if hes just doing a bit of slapping and popping, what does that make Mike?

Would you happen to be able to play what Ryans playing? How bout write it? Didnt think so. By the way........


by the way.

If anyone calls him underrated again, I"m gonna smack 'em.

Good, solid player with a decent amount of flash. Has some really good lines; there is a great, slow groove breakdown on one the newer songs, the lyrics are something about "I'm just like a clock up on the wall" or something. Cool tone, though I think I would like them more if they used standard tuning.

Pretty close to most of his parts live, with only one noticable mistake that probably wouldn't be recognized by the average, non-muso, concert goer.

Good, solid player with a decent amount of flash. Has some really good lines; there is a great, slow groove breakdown on one the newer songs, the lyrics are something about "I'm just like a clock up on the wall" or something. Cool tone, though I think I would like them more if they used standard tuning.

Pretty close to most of his parts live, with only one noticable mistake that probably wouldn't be recognized by the average, non-muso, concert goer.
That song is The Patient Mental. Good song.

That song is The Patient Mental. Good song.

Oh ok, well yah, that song :D


I found the entire album pretty darn good, but I think A Key To Nothing is my favorite track.

I like (Per)Version of the Truth but the whole cd is their best. I like the style of it better than LD50.

From what I was hearing about their new album, they might just become a plain-jane Numetal band. The article is in the a current issue of one of the Guitar Mags.

Just heard Know Forever by Mudvayne......I can only hear the trebbly end of Ryan's bass playing because of an over active bass drum/ not big powerful speakers. If he tunes GCGCF, does that mean it's ultra deep?
He rarely uses a 5er now, which he tuned GCGCF, he usually uses a 4 at CGCF. I heard from quit a few people that he recorded "L.D. 50" with a 5 tuned standard (BEADG). Awsome basslines.

Well hes about 1000x better than Mike Kroeger, so if hes just doing a bit of slapping and popping, what does that make Mike?

Would you happen to be able to play what Ryans playing? How bout write it? Didnt think so. By the way........


by the way.
Mike may not be as technical, but he CAN slap and pop, he does so on a track called Diggin' This.....it's a funky track on The State....that's the one before Silver Side Up, with some of their best songs on. And I could give playing Ryan's bass lines a damn good go....I'll try anything...

My mom can slap and pop too. Shes still bad though.

So you're saying about Ryan 'all hes doing is a bit of slapping and popping' as a bad thing and then you're trying to jesus-ize Kroeger by saying 'he CAN slap and pop'. Its not all about that, darling.

I'm not saying Mike is the best bassist ever or anything, he's a damn kool guy thought......and as for Ryan's playing, it's just a bit of a growly thumb bass with some slap and pop, nothing special, nothing too exciting....in my opinion Mike's bass line to Never Again kicks Ryan's playing into next year...it aint just technical ability, it's how it sounds to you, and that will always be opinon.

and as for Ryan's playing, it's just a bit of a growly thumb bass with some slap and pop, nothing special, nothing too exciting....

Are you even listening to the bass lines? There's a lot of very cool stuff going on, rhythmically and harmonically.

Yes I am lsitening, it's boring, too trebbly, he needs mroe bassy ooomph.

Yes I am lsitening, it's boring, too trebbly, he needs mroe bassy ooomph.

BTW I'm talking mostly about the playing on "The End of All. . ."

Do yourself a favor and listen a little harder. Maybe get a good pair of headphones or better speakers? There's plenty of "bassy oomph". And a lot of surprising, unexpected harmonies coming from the bass.

Why don't you record the verse to "Not Falling" or "Silenced" for us if the playing is so boring. . .

Personally, the verse to "A Key to Nothing" really floors me, when it kicks in at 00:45 and then in each verse thereafter. Pretty Mick Karn-esque. The first time I've ever heard playing like that in this sort of context.

It's just freaking awesome.

Well we all have personal taste, the bass line that first opened my eyes was never Again by Nickelback, it's pretty simple, but so damn effective, that tone is killer........as for Ryan's sound, too much trebbly gorwl, not enough bassy growl....

If anyone calls him underrated again, I"m gonna smack 'em.

I would say he's overlooked, if anything. A lot of non musicians wouldn't know who he was.

I would say he's overlooked, if anything. A lot of non musicians wouldn't know who he was.


A lot of non musicians wouldn't know who Miles Davis is... Miles Davis is underrated.

Edit: Ooops I mean, overlooked. :scowl:

Yes I am lsitening, it's boring, too trebbly, he needs mroe bassy ooomph.
Haha coming from you thats hilarious. Whens the last time you heard your tone? On your By the way 'attempt' your tone was disasterously trebley.

Why do people constantly give this kid s*it? He has an opinion, no matter how offbase his comments are, it's his opinion, don't flame him for it. If people are going to constantly bash this guy, then maybe they should go somewhere else...

Why do people constantly give this kid s*it? He has an opinion, no matter how offbase his comments are, it's his opinion, don't flame him for it. If people are going to constantly bash this guy, then maybe they should go somewhere else...

better idea:

+ignore

The word "troll" is coming to mind. Basically his posts here in this thread are "Well I can't really hear the bass I obviously need better speakers but I think his playing is over-rated and his tone sucks, I mean he's just doing some slaps and pops, besides his bass-lines are boring whereas I find the bassline from a Nickelback song quite stimulating".

So now people are saying I have to like Ryan's playing if I like Mike's playing? Get real, I don't think that Mudvayne are that good to be honest....just some mentalist screaming, with some guy on bass with a growly bass, and a chugging guitar. That's it, nothing specialk. And as for my tone being trebbly, I had new strings on.....with that bass I generally boost the mids and bass up, so give it mroe punch(it was my rockbass)....also the new strings were kinda sticky, so that didn't help either.

So now people are saying I have to like Ryan's playing if I like Mike's playing? Get real, I don't think that Mudvayne are that good to be honest....just some mentalist screaming, with some guy on bass with a growly bass, and a chugging guitar. That's it, nothing specialk. And as for my tone being trebbly, I had new strings on.....with that bass I generally boost the mids and bass up, so give it mroe punch(it was my rockbass)....also the new strings were kinda sticky, so that didn't help either.
...right...


btw..mudvayne..slipknot...mentalist screaming? slipknot....slipknot.....right..

...right...


btw..mudvayne..slipknot...mentalist screaming? slipknot....slipknot.....right..
Well, you have a point, but I really only lsiten to Slipknot for the head banging sludge licks and riffs......when Corey does sing though, he kicks Mudvayne's singer out of sight.

It's like trainwreck. Only it keeps happening. I love TB.

meh....he's trying to sound like les claypool if you ask me....the only metal bassist i think is underrated and half decent is whats his name :p from opeth

nick? new strings sticky?...wash ur hands boi......and why are you always recording your rockbass, you have all these other 'much better' basses, why dont you use em?..you're always braggin, oh my "insert one of nicks basses here" sounds so good....we wanna hear what you're going on about..

oohh...and we're recording our first origional this weekend..hopefully ill get it up on here so you can hear tone :D ..isnt it helpful when your drummer has a professional recording studio :D

meh....he's trying to sound like les claypool if you ask me....the only metal bassist i think is underrated and half decent is whats his name :p from opeth



That would be Martin Mendez.

Re: Martinie. I think he's a tad overlooked too, though perhaps less in the bass community? I wouldn't call him underrated, since by my definition, "underrated" means "everyone thinks he sucks when he's actually pretty good." In actuality, the majority of people who are familiar with his work think he's pretty good, so I wouldn't call him underrated.

While I'm not fond of Mudvayne as a whole (guitars are clunky, the vocalist's roar is generic & his clean singing is whiny, drummer's nothing special but gets the job done), Martinie is the silver lining in the band.

I too would like to hear him on a solo record or something outside of the context of Mudvayne where he has a chance to really let his playing shine through.

A few other bassists in the hard rock/metal realm that I think are overlooked: James Lomenzo [David Lee Roth, Zakk Wylde, Hideous Sun Demons (which is an awesome album)], Clayton Ingerson (Dysrhythmia), Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse), Billy Gould (Faith No More)...the list goes on.

A few other bassists in the hard rock/metal realm
phillip bynoe (steve vai), matt bissonette (joe satriani), stu hamm obviously

That would be Martin Mendez.

Re: Martinie. I think he's a tad overlooked too, though perhaps less in the bass community? I wouldn't call him underrated, since by my definition, "underrated" means "everyone thinks he sucks when he's actually pretty good." In actuality, the majority of people who are familiar with his work think he's pretty good, so I wouldn't call him underrated.

While I'm not fond of Mudvayne as a whole (guitars are clunky, the vocalist's roar is generic & his clean singing is whiny, drummer's nothing special but gets the job done), Martinie is the silver lining in the band.

I too would like to hear him on a solo record or something outside of the context of Mudvayne where he has a chance to really let his playing shine through.

A few other bassists in the hard rock/metal realm that I think are overlooked: James Lomenzo [David Lee Roth, Zakk Wylde, Hideous Sun Demons (which is an awesome album)], Clayton Ingerson (Dysrhythmia), Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse), Billy Gould (Faith No More)...the list goes on.
Drummings nothing special? Meh, i have to say that i disagree, as well as most drummers. Matt McDonough is a great drummer.

And im not just here to defend mudvayne. I used to listen to them but actually dont listen to them anymore. I dislike the style of music, namely the vocals. The guitar work isnt amazing either, but the rhythm section is quite notable.

..Im done with this thread.

you think Mudvayne's drummer is good? Take a listen to Joey Jordison.

you think Mudvayne's drummer is good? Take a listen to Joey Jordison.
you think they're good?..listen to chris layton, pistol allen and lenny white..you've got a lot to get into kid, if you think those drummers are the shiznitz....

you think Mudvayne's drummer is good? Take a listen to Joey Jordison.

Didn't we go over this in another thread?

you think Mudvayne's drummer is good? Take a listen to Joey Jordison.
I wasnt saying Matts 'teh best drummer in teh world kthx!' i said he's good, as in not 'nothing special' I know Joey is good as well. Thanks.

O ok....

Didn't we go over this in another thread?
most likely.....id still like to hear an example of better drumming than in SRV's cover of Voodoo Chile..thats incredible

Where did ryknow get that Black thumb bass from? custom made?

Where did ryknow get that Black thumb bass from? custom made?

Naw. They offer it. It's just a black stain finish on a Thumb. You don't see them around much, but it's not a custom shop thing.

Really?.. its ever so black, looks purely painted black, lol..

Tis boring and bland if you ask me.....natural ones are much nicer.

Yeah i know, i didnt say it was nicer, it just looks so custom made, because ive seen dark warwicks.. but never as dark as that..

I think Mudvayne has one of the best rhythym sections in metal.The timings and breaks are 1000x more complex than Slipknots

But Mudvayne is like melodic dare i say artistic metal.....
and ya ryan is a great bassist!

Slipknot own Mudvayne thankyou very much, their riffs are laods better....Mudvayne starts and stop, and they never get going on a thunderous riff, therefore, it's boring. I couldn't hum any Mudvayne to myself, whereas I can hum loads of slipknot, and regularly do.

Slipknot own Mudvayne thankyou very much, their riffs are laods better....Mudvayne starts and stop, and they never get going on a thunderous riff, therefore, it's boring. I couldn't hum any Mudvayne to myself, whereas I can hum loads of slipknot, and regularly do.
You continue to amaze me. You are so uninformed yet so opinionated.

Meh, I like slipknot mroe than I like Mudvayne, and I like Nickelback more than the lot of em. Jus opinion, and taste, and no-one will ever have the same opinion or taste, so why argue?

Meh, I like slipknot mroe than I like Mudvayne, and I like Nickelback more than the lot of em. Jus opinion, and taste, and no-one will ever have the same opinion or taste, so why argue?

Define irony. (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147024&page=2&pp=20)

I like pizza.

Ryan Martinie is extremely talented for the kind of bass he plays and is atleast somewhat "unique." An all too rare quality these days. What's the point of comparing him to other bassists? Just acknowledge his talent even if his style isn't your cup of tea and let him be.

I like pizza.Me too. Mmmmm.....pizza....(drools)

pizza is too fattening.

I'm still waiting for Mudvayne to make a killer album. They've got the potential, but haven't quite maximized it yet. Death Blooms is a good indicator for what's possible with that band, and I'd like to see them expand on that sound.

Ryan is a decent bassist, and comes up with some interesting ideas. But, like Britney Spears, he's a bit over exposed. I feel this happens in the rock and metal world a bit much - get a bassist you can actually hear in the mix, and all of a sudden he's a god. I'm sure there's plenty of bassists out there that are just as good, but since bass is pretty tough to hear in most rock/metal mixes, they go unnoticed.

pizza is too fattening.



Slipknot is too fattening.

Slipknot own Mudvayne thankyou very much, their riffs are laods better....Mudvayne starts and stop, and they never get going on a thunderous riff, therefore, it's boring. I couldn't hum any Mudvayne to myself, whereas I can hum loads of slipknot, and regularly do.

Eh have you ever heard Dig,Internal Primates or Silenced?To know but a few!If you watch the Lethal Dosage DVD Ryan and the drummer are soooooooo tight!

Ugh, they never should have done Dig.. i hate that song.

Slipknot is too fattening.
slipknot is to mind numbing

this boy needs to get out and buy more varied cd's, which ive told him various times, still wont listen (surprise surprise)...especially some SRV and double trouble, then he'll know tightness and soul in music...at this time im listening to gypsy kings :D

I don't even remember who asked, but Mu, Dv, Ay, and Ne, are all medical abreviations for perscription narcautics. That's why their first logo is spelled like it is. Also, Rwknow only uses a frettless on A Key To Nothing. According to bass gear magazine.

slipknot is to mind numbing

this boy needs to get out and buy more varied cd's, which ive told him various times, still wont listen (surprise surprise)...especially some SRV and double trouble, then he'll know tightness and soul in music...at this time im listening to gypsy kings :D



It's damn near impossible to open ears that have been stapled shut with repulsive Nu metal... I've tried. It's useless.

It's damn near impossible to open ears that have been stapled shut with repulsive Nu metal... I've tried. It's useless.
oh ive tried as well......imaging trying to get him to listen to latcho drom or tom waits.....this kids just gonna have to learn for himself what music is.....for christs sake look at my signature :scowl:

The New Tom Waits album is gooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddddd.

oh ive tried as well......imaging trying to get him to listen to latcho drom or tom waits.....this kids just gonna have to learn for himself what music is.....for christs sake look at my signature :scowl:
True. I was similiar to Nick 2 years ago or so, except with better music . (ie: i would only listen to 70's and 80's rock/metal) but now i listen to many many types of music, including alternative rock, classical rock, funk, reggae, jazz

Define irony. (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147024&page=2&pp=20)
WOW! :eek:

I'm not even going to comment about this...

...but when I first "found" Mudvayne I thought they were my own little treasure...until I discovered they awsome world of underground metal. I still like LD50, but it doesn't compare to anything I listen to today.

I'm still trying to open my horizons to new music, and not be "constricted" to the metal genre, even though it's awsome :).

If that's all you listen to is metal, how is it you are going to contribute anything new to the genre?

If that's all you listen to is metal, how is it you are going to contribute anything new to the genre?
I listen to classic rock radio all the time (Im not sure if thats much different), and didn't you read that I'm trying to expand my horizons?

I'm looking forward to buying some Stanley Clarke in the next couple of days, and I might go see him live (hopefully). Lately I've realized that I can get nowhere listening to the same genre of music, thats why I've decided I should start listening to different kinds of music.

when i started on here i was a metal nut...quickly grew out of it though.....now i listen to tom waits, earl klugh, gypsy kings, erykah badu, meshell, issac hayes, booby womack, parliament, gcs, chick corea, james brown and the list goes on.....but im happy with my choices in music now than what i wa before

I listen to classic rock radio all the time (Im not sure if thats much different), and didn't you read that I'm trying to expand my horizons?

I'm looking forward to buying some Stanley Clarke in the next couple of days, and I might go see him live (hopefully). Lately I've realized that I can get nowhere listening to the same genre of music, thats why I've decided I should start listening to different kinds of music.

I didn't quote you directly; please don't think I was speaking to you. I was just saying it to be saying it to whomever wanted to listen to it.

And yes, Stanley is cool.

slipknot is to mind numbing

this boy needs to get out and buy more varied cd's, which ive told him various times, still wont listen (surprise surprise)...especially some SRV and double trouble, then he'll know tightness and soul in music...at this time im listening to gypsy kings :D
I listen to a huge rnage of Music, from Slipknot to Muse....and Chris Woolstenholme owns Ryan Martinie! Muse rule! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist:

I listen to a huge rnage of Music, from Slipknot to Muse....and Chris Woolstenholme owns Ryan Martinie! Muse rule! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist:


You really don't know when to stop do you?

I listen to a huge rnage of Music, from Slipknot to Muse....and Chris Woolstenholme owns Ryan Martinie! Muse rule! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist:
Shut up.

I listen to a huge rnage of Music, from Slipknot to Muse....and Chris Woolstenholme owns Ryan Martinie! Muse rule! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist:
wow...you continue to amaze me with your sense of variety in taste of music....still everything thats played on your mainstream radio station...next you'll be telling us that hendrix was a moron.....oh wait...you already did that :scowl:

but slipknots so MIND BOGGLINGLY HEAVY!! hes so hxc for liking them.

but slipknots so MIND BOGGLINGLY HEAVY!! hes so hxc for liking them.
dont forget how cool he is os he thinks jimi hendrix is a moron for lighting his strat on fire.....oh yeah..this nick is the coolest cat on this board...all hail king nick....

comic book guy: worst episode ever

Figjam, Heath the Great: Take it easy alright? So Nickthebassist has a somewhat limited taste in music; so what? It's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. Please stop the Nickthebassist bashing, no matter how much fun it is.

Nickthebassist: don't let people goad you on. If you get flamed, don't reply. Simple as that.

To everybody else: respect, respect, respect.

My final word on the subject: Just because Ryan Martinie is a good bassist doesn't mean other bassists suck (or rule).

Figjam, Heath the Great: Take it easy alright? So Nickthebassist has a somewhat limited taste in music; so what? It's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. Please stop the Nickthebassist bashing, no matter how much fun it is.
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the problem is, we're trying to help span his horizons..but he's being pig headed...

buuuuttt muuuummmmm, the bashing was so muc more fun once he insulted hendrx, entwhistle and paul simonon in the one post :scowl:

Figjam, Heath the Great: Take it easy alright? So Nickthebassist has a somewhat limited taste in music; so what? It's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. Please stop the Nickthebassist bashing, no matter how much fun it is.

Nickthebassist: don't let people goad you on. If you get flamed, don't reply. Simple as that.

To everybody else: respect, respect, respect.

My final word on the subject: Just because Ryan Martinie is a good bassist doesn't mean other bassists suck (or rule).


Whoa now Mr. Strange, that kind of talk is far to sensible for this thread. :D

The "Live Dosage" DVD has only one camera angle. The "Dig" DVD has multiples. -Luke

not true, the live dosage has multiple angles, such as the camera that is set up on ryans headstock.

I'm still waiting for Mudvayne to make a killer album. They've got the potential, but haven't quite maximized it yet. Death Blooms is a good indicator for what's possible with that band, and I'd like to see them expand on that sound.

Ryan is a decent bassist, and comes up with some interesting ideas. But, like Britney Spears, he's a bit over exposed. I feel this happens in the rock and metal world a bit much - get a bassist you can actually hear in the mix, and all of a sudden he's a god. I'm sure there's plenty of bassists out there that are just as good, but since bass is pretty tough to hear in most rock/metal mixes, they go unnoticed.

yea u r right to a degree. but if u r gunna blame people for saying that a bassist is a god because u can actually hear him, dont blame the people, blame the genre of music for making such a narrow path more bassists to play in. i think thats wut is amazing about ryan. he found a way to b on the outside of that restricted environment.

oh, also, if u thought death bloomswas good, check out (k)now F(orever) on LD50.pretty F'in tight. great odd time sig's too.

yea u r right to a degree. but if u r gunna blame people for saying that a bassist is a god because u can actually hear him, dont blame the people, blame the genre of music for making such a narrow path more bassists to play in. i think thats wut is amazing about ryan. he found a way to b on the outside of that restricted environment.

oh, also, if u thought death bloomswas good, check out (k)now F(orever) on LD50.pretty F'in tight. great odd time sig's too.

I'm not really sure if I understand this.

I'm not really sure if I understand this.
I think he's saying that it's the genre's fault for people thinking Ryan is so good because he can be heard so well?

I think he's saying that it's the genre's fault for people thinking Ryan is so good because he can be heard so well?
I think it's more along the lines of: Ryan is seen as being good because he found a way for exposed bass to sound good in the forefront, which is not common in this genre. Not to mention his chops, taste, ability, etc...

I think it's more along the lines of: Ryan is seen as being good because he found a way for exposed bass to sound good in the forefront, which is not common in this genre. Not to mention his chops, taste, ability, etc...

That is a very good point. While I still think that Ryan is very good at what he does, I think that other equally deserving bassists don't get the same adoration that he does because they can't be heard very well. Or vis-a-vis, other not as talented bassists get a bunch of adoration (especially from the non-musician public) just because they can be heard - like Paul D'Amour, for example. I remember hearing about how people thought he was this incredible bassist, but I think it was just because his tone was so up front in the mix. Now, I like Paul - even over his replacement - but I don't think he was deserving of the level of adoration he was receiving at the time. Those pesky non-musicians and their crazy opinions!

I think he did deserve his gratification because of the ideas more so then the technique...and Chancellor is still hot :)

It's Brendan.

BrEndAn.

Oh, I'm sorry; I fixed it. I guess I just totally screwed up on that one :/.

I'm not really sure if I understand this.


i didnt think it was that hard to follow.

The one thing different from mudvayne and any other numetal band(that I've heard so far, I may be wrong) that has a decent bass player, is the bass and guitar have switched rolls. Ryknow is playing lead while the guitar is just keeping rythum. I imagine that any good bass player would get considerably better or at least seem better if thay had controll over all the fills, leads ect. Besides that, I think ryknow is an extremely well educated bass player. The lines and fills he throws around are solid theory-wise, and very hard to reproduce just sitting at home listening to the album. Half the time it sounds like he's just winging it on stage or in the studio, but he's got 2 dvd's w/ alot of the same songs on them to prove he's not. Another thing that helps is he writes his bass parts after everyone already has their parts written. He's got simple guitar riffs and a great drummer to work around on almost every song. I just wish he would put out some solo jazz/funk stuff.

The one thing different from mudvayne and any other numetal band(that I've heard so far, I may be wrong) that has a decent bass player, is the bass and guitar have switched rolls. Ryknow is playing lead while the guitar is just keeping rythum. I imagine that any good bass player would get considerably better or at least seem better if thay had controll over all the fills, leads ect. Besides that, I think ryknow is an extremely well educated bass player. The lines and fills he throws around are solid theory-wise, and very hard to reproduce just sitting at home listening to the album. Half the time it sounds like he's just winging it on stage or in the studio, but he's got 2 dvd's w/ alot of the same songs on them to prove he's not. Another thing that helps is he writes his bass parts after everyone already has their parts written. He's got simple guitar riffs and a great drummer to work around on almost every song. I just wish he would put out some solo jazz/funk stuff.


totally agree. ryan is certainly a very well educated musician.

totally agree. ryan is certainly a very well educated musician.

He was a jazz fusion session player before he joined Mudvayne.

So,. yeah...

He was a jazz fusion session player before he joined Mudvayne.

So,. yeah...


yea, in a band called Broken Altar.
i'd love to hear him play just sum straight up jazz fusion stuff.

Is there any CD's of this band...I'm at home on dial up...to slow of connection to search.

Is there any CD's of this band...I'm at home on dial up...to slow of connection to search.
I don't know. *runs to best buy*.

Ran a search for broken altar, didn't find diddly. :bawl:

yea, your not gunna find anything on them. :(

So wasnt ryan getting endorsed by The Warwick Vampyre? judging by the whole http://www.vampyre-censored.com/ thing.. recent footage ive seen of him hes been using his thumb basses. Not that i want him to use the vampyre because im not too fond of them.

So does anyone know what happened?

ryan was one of my first major influences before jazz. hes got some killer lines and realy nows what hes doing when it comes down to bass.

that fusion album broken altar sounds interesting if anyone finds it or finds something on it a seperate post would be good!

So wasnt ryan getting endorsed by The Warwick Vampyre? judging by the whole http://www.vampyre-censored.com/ thing.. recent footage ive seen of him hes been using his thumb basses. Not that i want him to use the vampyre because im not too fond of them.

So does anyone know what happened?
I saw mudvayne last year, and if im not mistaken ( i was a little drunk) he played the vampyre for one song. He makes a few bass changes during the set, and he may just use it to show it.

Ahh i see, i bet he hates it though, he's just doing it because he got it free, and there paying him to promote it?

Also does anyone know if he uses any pedals?