Maybe jazz isn't as difficult as i thought

Aside from knowing the chord changes and using different approaches (dominant, scale, or chromatic); and sometimes just playing appregios


Is that good stuff to get started on?

Also someone told me I that i Dont have to play the root on Beat One and sometimes playing the 3rd or 5th on beat one works also...(or even the 7th)


A question about approaches does a scale approach just mean within the scale.. because somtimes a chromatic approach is the same a scale approach..?

What are the textbook jazz standards? I heard there are like 10 standards for all of jazz

Thanks for the help

BigEgoHead suggests... (http://www.shermusic.com/new/1883217504.shtml)

The magazine of the International Society of Bassists had nice things to say about it....

The middle chapters of The Total Jazz Bassist (pages 25-86) provide an excellent, clear, comprehensive course for developing prime walking skills.

But Ed's book looks great too! ;)

As far as the "10 jazz standards", I have yet to see that classic article. One thing you could try is The Real Book... Practice walking to all those chord progressions and you will likely cover all the major standards and then some.

For me, learning to create interesting walking lines came from two things: playing often, for long stretches, with musicians that were better than me; and transcribe, transcribe, transcribe. Knowing how Ray Brown or Paul Chambers would approach a set of changes went a long way towards de-mystifying walking bass.

Yeah transcribe and listen a lot to the masters.

At face value, walking is easy. But once you start digging, you begin to notice that there's a LOT to walking a great line instead of an okay one.

Yeah transcribe and listen a lot to the masters.

At face value, walking is easy. But once you start digging, you begin to notice that there's a LOT to walking a great line instead of an okay one.

Yes this is true!! I've just started walking too, and sure it's easy to get by, which does feel kind of cool, but when you listen to really good people like Ray Brown it's like 'what the hell was THAT!!!!'

To be honest I think it's a lifetimes work - it's a bit like chess or something - the rules are simple but the possibilities are endless.

The chess one is a great analogy. So true.

It's one of the most enjoyable things about playing music for me, and especially bass. I am in 2 blues bands - one of them we play very simple blues songs and we haven't learnt any new songs for a good year or so (the drummer fears change!).

It's never bothered me though - my focus is all on walking into and out of the chords - trying new things out each week. Same songs but different approaches.

It really helps if you can spend a lot of time on something simple. I've learnt that working on the basics never stops.

That should be working on the Bassics.:bassist:

Here's some link you may want to check out:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9859 Learning
http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/index.html Improvization Primer (Book/Online)
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522578 Walking bass lines examples
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502252 Walking bass lines books
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=482544 Jazz Scales
http://www.jazzstandards.com/history/index.htm History of Jazz

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/bassbird/namm_sher.jpg

BigEgoHead is happy to note hisowndambook front and center in the display behind Chuck..

Maybe jazz isn't as difficult as i thought

No


Aside from knowing the chord changes and using different approaches (dominant, scale, or chromatic); and sometimes just playing appregios


Is that good stuff to get started on?

Yes


Also someone told me I that i Dont have to play the root on Beat One and sometimes playing the 3rd or 5th on beat one works also...

Yes


(or even the 7th)

Not so much


A question about approaches does a scale approach just mean within the scale.. because somtimes a chromatic approach is the same a scale approach..?


Diatonic or chromatic, both are scalular.


What are the textbook jazz standards?


Lots.


I heard there are like 10 standards for all of jazz


Big no.

Listen, listen, listen.

Ray Brown.

Could someone give me a list of some of he legends of jazz ive got miles davis , charlie parker, ray brown..


Ive also noticed that alot of jazz tunes are in the circle of fifths.. well most of them right?

It's a long and detailed read, but Ted Gioia's history of jazz would be worth picking up.

I would expect a beginning jazzer to get the blues and "rhythm" changes under their belt before tackling circle-of-fifths changes.

Could someone give me a list of some of he legends of jazz ive got miles davis , charlie parker, ray brown..

Check out http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496991

Jazz bass is very rewarding and there are opportunities to enjoy it at a variety of levels. When you first start walking, you can sound really great on the straightforward changes of songs like Fly Me to the Moon or All the Things You Are. Just using the arpeggios and scale tones works great to create satisfying bass lines there. You can spend a lifetime swinging at this level and still find new and exciting ways to play these same changes.

As others have said, listen to the masters like Ray Brown, Milt Hinton, and Walter Page.

A bit farther down the road, you'll have to wrestle with the ambiguous tonality of composers like Monk and Coltrane. It's more complicated but it builds on the foundation you're laying now. Hang in there!

I can't stress how important listening to other players is.

doing root 3 5 7 is the meat and potatos of walking, but knowing where to put in passing tones and other non chord tones, and which beats to accent is a skill that can only be aquired through listening and experience.

I can't stress how important listening to other players is.

doing root 3 5 7 is the meat and potatos of walking, but knowing where to put in passing tones and other non chord tones, and which beats to accent is a skill that can only be aquired through listening and experience.

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