I am learning "all the things you are" (jazz not sure who wrote it). one of the chords is a C7b13, now this is a c7 chord with a flattened 7th and added 13th? These are in fact the guitar chords but i am learning(teaching my fingers) the song for practice. as well as to get used to the chords and chord progression.

thanks:cool:

Originally posted by fadlan bassman
...one of the chords is a C7b13, now this is a c7 chord with a flattened 7th and added 13th?

The 7th is "flatted" because it's a C7(which is C dominant 7)...& the 13th in your chord is also "flatted"("Ab" as Ed said).

C13(1-3-5-b7-9-13) = C-E-G-Bb-D-A

C7b13(1-3-5-b7-9-b13) = C-E-G-Bb-D-Ab

Naturally, all those chord tones &/or extensions don't have to be played.
One voicing I like(on a guitar)for a 13th-
Lo-to-Hi: C-X-Bb-E-A-D
(& the top note, "D" could be omitted).

Right now I am only playing the 1,3,7 of the chords so this should translate into C E Bb Ab?

Originally posted by HEAD FUGUE

But what key are you doing YATAG in? I'm trying to remember a C7....


I think FALLEN SPACEMAN might be reading from a sheet-music (a.k.a. - "chump changes" :) ) version of the tune...you know, the kind with the little guitar chord diagram thingies at the top? If so, he's probably referring to the last chord of the bridge and last "A" sections which is usually written as some version of C7alt, which functions as V7alt/vi in Ab. And since the tune starts on the vi chord of Ab in my little bucholic corner of the world....well, you see where I'm going with this.

What key do you usually play this one in way up in Yankeeville?

Originally posted by fadlan bassman
Right now I am only playing the 1,3,7 of the chords so this should translate into C E Bb Ab?

Right. Although to be honest, that minor 7th on top is going to make for one really awkward guitar voicing. The C-Bb-E-Ab voicing (from the bottom up) that SPECIAL K recommended will be a lot easier to finger, and will probably sound better as well. Or, since the chord resolves to a minor chord, you could always use a C7#9 voicing on guitar, which would be easier to play (no internal string muting required, you get to play on adjacent strings 5-2) and sound just as good if not better. From the bottom up, that'd be C-E-Bb-D# (Eb)....otherwise known as the "Purple Haze" chord to those who didn't start out listening to jazz. :)

no it is just the chord names written out i.e. Amaj7 D7 Gm7 so on and so forth. what is Y.A.T.A.G.?
The first chord is a Fm7 i think that is the key.

Originally posted by fadlan bassman
no it is just the chord names written out i.e. Amaj7 D7 Gm7 so on and so forth.

My bad.

what is Y.A.T.A.G.?

That's a question for the EDSTER.

The first chord is a Fm7 i think that is the key.

If the first chord is Fmi, then the tune is in the key of Ab, which I always thought was the standard key. But now Ed has me wondering....

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
Naw Abmaj. I just look at that as a C7alt (C D E F# G# A#enhBb C) rather than a dominantb13.
YATAG
Y ou
A re
T he
A ngel (fter?)
G low

that lights the stars. The sweetest things I know, that's what you are. Someday my happy arms will hold you. And someday, I'll know that moment divine, when all the things you are, are mine.

Sorry, an affectation. Bird used to call it that.

Did I mention that I am playing this on the bass? What is that, like All Cows Eat Grass?

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
I'm pretty sure we all are playing this on bass.

sorry, Chris said something about guitar voicings

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
All Cows Eat Grass? hunh??? I am assuming this is a memnonic for an Amin7 chord and that you are asking (again) about YATAG, as if it is some sort of Y7altered sus chord?


No, i was refering to the sheet reading cheat acronym. A C E G on the lines also G B D F A inbetween the lines (I'm a little rusty).

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
As illustrated in the post (pretty clearly I thought) it is an acronym made up of the first letters of the first 5 words of the bridge of the tune. Didja think I was just spouting poetry? Do you not know the words to the tune?

No I don't know who plays the song, I have not ever heard it. I would like to though.

I hope i'm not asking too silly of questions, I have gone over music theory with my teacher but some of this is deeper than we really covered. I really want to learn more about the chords and changing them around to fit the music better. I appreciate you time and knowledge.

i'll check those out thanks

Well I picked up a copy of 'All the Things You Are' by Stan Getz. There's no singing so maybe its not the standard version. I have the chord sheet for the song but a don't hear the chords on the bass, It sounds like these are played on the sax. does these mean I play notes from the chords in a walking pattern or am i just not hearing it.

thanks

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
FALLDOWNBASEMENT - you are saying some things here that, while I understand each of the words individually, I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
I'm glad there is little to no sarcasm in your tone today.

[i]I picked up a copy of 'All the Things You Are' by Stan Getz Great, Stan's a great player. What's the name of the album and who's the rest of the band? [/B]
The Essential Stan getz- ATTYA : Mose Allison piano, Addison Farmer bass, Jerry Segal Drums. July 1957 New York.

[i]There's no singing so maybe its not the standard version. No, see, they call a song a standard because it's part of the "standard" repertoire ie lots and lots of people know and play this tune. It works a little different for this kind of music, the "standard" version of SMOKE ON THE WATER may be by Deep Purple, but ALL THE THINGS is a standard, but there is no one specific performance that people try to emulate. Am I being clear? [/B]
I mean you said that the song had lyrics which this song has none. I know exactly what a standard is,
But i thought a standard would need everything including vocals to make it the standard. ie maybe a different version of the song in this instance.

[i]I have the chord sheet for the song but a don't hear the chords on the bass, It sounds like these are played on the sax. OK I'm getting a little lost here. When you say you don't "hear the chords in the bass", what exactly do you hear the bass doing? Sure the saxophone solo is going to based on the harmony for the tune, but Stan (coming as he does from the Lester Young school of melodic improvising) isn't just running the changes. So again, when you say "these are played on the sax", what exactly are you hearing the sax do? [/B]
The sax sounds like it is going through the chord progession that i was looking for the bass to be doing. the bass sounds (i have only listened a couple of times) like the its going through the chords by playing the root,3rd,7th by themselves rather than plucking all at once.

[i]. does these mean I play notes from the chords in a walking pattern or am i just not hearing it. Does what mean "I play notes from the chords in a walking pattern"? What do you think you are "not hearing"? [/B]
This is my fault because i did not get a copy of the song in order to ask questions about it to my instructor before stopping lessons. the way i was taught to play this song was pluck the chords in progession as per the chord sheet. I popped in the cd and i was not hearing the same notes/chords that i was playing. i hear the bass not making the chords.

[i]Please provide some detail and splain real slow and simple so I understand. [/B]

An example of the chord sheet:
Fm7 , Bbm7 ,Eb7 ,Abmaj7
Dbmaj7, G7, Cmaj7, Cmaj7

That is the first 2 lines of chord progression.
was that clear enough? thanks again for your help.

I'd like to add a general comment on these fairly complex chords. While as a bassist in a jazz setting, you will be most likely playing a walking bass line it can also help you if you visualize how a keyboard player may approach such a chord. Is he going to just play the chord entirely with one hand? Actually, sometimes yes. But there is another way. For the C7b13, one can play a C chord with the left hand and a Bb7 with the right hand. A lot of chords with extensions can be played in a fashion like this.

addendum: I've also played with kybd players who tended to not play the root and they may phrase this chord as a Edim triad (E G Bb) and Ddim triad (D F Ab). But this is part of the beauty of jazz - there are many ways to play this chord and many substitutions.