This is all in effort for me to make the most out of talkbass. I want to take the time and challenge my self and those who would care to join me to 5 or more full transcripitions a month. In my efforts to improve my reading abilities I find that a crucial element is to just sit down, listen, and transcribe (actually notate) a music of personal choice. The thing is I want to be able to give them to talkbass so that others can elvaluate and use them. It would be my hope that eventually this could lead to a possible transcription forum where people can share and supply transcriptions the same way tabs are provided. How many times has there been a piece of music that you would really like to learn, but unless you want to use tabs or transcribe it by ear, your stuck. Not that either of the these two options are bad, but the option of actual notated music should deffinetley be available to any musician who wishes to pursue it. It is my beleif that it is because of the lack of actual available sheet music (at least free) that tabs are such a worthy alternative and that more people dont start out learning to read music. I know there is software that one can download for free to notate music and I guess we could use something like that. What are your guys feelings about this idea. How do you think it should be executed.

Oh yes, and my 5 selections for this month would be:
Paul Chambers - giant steps
Tom Jenkinson (squarepusher) - Iambic 5 poetry
Joe Lally (fugazi) - the kill
John Paul Jones - Travelin riverside blues
Jamiroquai - Return of the Space Cowboy

All I can say is

Squarepusher - "Iambic 5 poetry" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written.

sounds good...If I have any free time I'll give it a shot.

I really like the idea, its the type of thing that, with discipline, would GREATLY improve your ability to not only read, but to write, and to use your ear.

I am very new at bass and am just getting around to learning music notation, so I wouldn't be that much help. I would like to say, however, that I feel this is a great idea and one that could benefit everyone involved. This would definately motivate me to start learning how to transcribe music into true notation and the ability to know who has transcribed a piece and ask questions of that person but those learning(i.e. me) would be a wonderful way of learning.
I am all for it.

stratking

I only transcribed my first song the other day which was porcelain by rhcp. I will however try to fulfill the 5 a month quota as this idea is probably the best motivation for me for actually doing it regularly (not counting the obvious benefits of learning by ear).

So i will try Crossroads by cream, shadow of the sun by audioslave, californication, soulshine by govt mule and night train by james brown

sorry if these are really easy songs and no one wants them but i am new to this.

sounds like a real good idea to me. first choices sound like good ones too. are we going to have some kind of system as far as who picks what we're doing each month?

How many times has there been a piece of music that you would really like to learn, but unless you want to use tabs or transcribe it by ear, your stuck

Never!
If I want to learn something I'll learn it by ear, it's a damned sight easier than learning from standard notation!!

...and tab is very often totally wrong!

Truth be told, I kinda dig this idea too, but I have to say that 5 a month is ridiculous!!! It's far too many!

It'd usually take me about an hour to work out an average song, providing a) I dont have to learn a new technique or b) the tune is remarkabley complex and has a million fiddley variations of the basic theme.

I'll bet my good hard earned cash that not many people here will manage five a month unless they can write music like it's a second language!

Great intentions but seriously can we just try ONE a month! I think that'll be more realistic. I think many of us have jobs and bands and stuff, know what I mean!

Personally, it'd take me a month to notate one song... I could work it out in an hour, but notating it would take me days!

Where can we get this tool anyway, it sounds good?

Nice idea. When you say 'full transcriptions' - do you mean as in every part? Every note of every part? Bass, keyboards, guitars, vocals? Drums too?

Originally posted by Howard K
I'll bet my good hard earned cash that not many people here will manage five a month unless they can write music like it's a second language!

You're on. How much of your hard earned cash do you wanna bet that I can't transcribe five songs in the next month? And how much detail? Every single part? Including drums? Including solos? Every single note played on the recording? Either way - I'll take that bet :)

Originally posted by moley
Nice idea. When you say 'full transcriptions' - do you mean as in every part? Every note of every part? Bass, keyboards, guitars, vocals? Drums too?



You're on. How much of your hard earned cash do you wanna bet that I can't transcribe five songs in the next month? And how much detail? Every single part? Including drums? Including solos? Every single note played on the recording? Either way - I'll take that bet :)

I think he just means bass lines and that might well be a problem as if you take the Giant Steps example - a lot of great 60s Jazz was recorded in such a way that the Doube Bass is heard more as a dull thud or a percussive sound - so it is very difficut to hear the actual pitches.

But then I don't need to do this, as I have transcriptions of Coltrane and a lot of PC bass lines already!! ;)

PS - I could do the bass lines for 5 Status Quo or Ramones' songs in less than 5 minutes!!! :D

yoyu can obviously read music better than you can read english moley!

I'll bet my good hard earned cash that not many people here will manage five a month unless they can write music like it's a second language!

you dont count as 'many' you count as one.

anyway, you reckon you could transcribe five complete songs, every instrument in a month!

1) b*ll*cks! ... and

2) have you nothing else to do?!

I think the thread starter intended just bass parts anyway. but if you wanna go ahead an transcribe the entire songs go ahead.

moley, what do you do full-time.. are you a student or do you work, a msucian or what?

Bruce.. coltrane eh.. I bought the delux version of a love supreme today... the bass on it is mad.. there's so much of it!!!

Originally posted by Howard K
Bruce.. coltrane eh.. I bought the delux version of a love supreme today... the bass on it is mad.. there's so much of it!!!

Yes - I would be intrested to see Moley transcribe 30 choruses of improvised Double Bass that is mostly chromatic passing tones, along with slight gaffs and intonation "issues"!! ;)

How about the 15-minute live version of Impressions!!!

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
I think he just means bass lines and that might well be a problem as if you take the Giant Steps example - a lot of great 60s Jazz was recorded in such a way that the Doube Bass is heard more as a dull thud or a percussive sound - so it is very difficut to hear the actual pitches

Yup, you're right there. Those Blue Note recordings don't make it easy to figure out notes - like you said the pitch of the bass doesn't come over well. Though, throwing the whole thing up an octave may well help. The piano doesn't help, either - the sound of the pianos they used (and the way they were recorded) means the sound is very... mellow, for want of a better word - and, a little like a Rhodes, hearing what chords are is made harder by that.

Originally posted by Howard K
you dont count as 'many' you count as one.

anyway, you reckon you could transcribe five complete songs, every instrument in a month!

1) b*ll*cks! ...

Put your money where your mouth is! :D

and

2) have you nothing else to do?!

Not if there's money in it :D

Besides, I like transcribing, and it's a really good exercise. I wouldn't do five *full* transcriptions a month normally though. But if it's just the bass parts you're after, well, sure I could. You name the songs :)

I think the thread starter intended just bass parts anyway. but if you wanna go ahead an transcribe the entire songs go ahead.

If you're willing to take the bet, sure :D

moley, what do you do full-time.. are you a student or do you work, a msucian or what?

I am a student, but I'm in the sandwich year of my course, I'm working full time for IBM at the moment.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


Yes - I would be intrested to see Moley transcribe 30 choruses of improvised Double Bass that is mostly chromatic passing tones, along with slight gaffs and intonation "issues"!! ;)

How about the 15-minute live version of Impressions!!!

I'd give it ago :)

Originally posted by moley


I'd give it ago :)

Masochist!! :D

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


Masochist!! :D

Damn right! Why make it easy on yourself?

moley, if you wanna take this bet then go ahead, but you will lose...

ill bet you a tenner or twenty if you like (which you can send by post when you lose) that you cant transcribe five songs of my choice within a month!

This is a stupid bet, I can pick five tracks you wont a have chance of transcribing fully.

I should point out that we cant really do this bet because there's no one to approve or disapprove whether your transcriptions are correct.
I'm certainly not up to the job! ;)

If you want a taste of what I'll set you, think of the first track on either mwandishi or crossings... the one with about ten minutes of percussion. i cant remember which album now.

...we're talking 5 tracks - that's like a hundred minutes of full on jazz here!

please dont take the bet, cause i dont want to take your money and i dont really want the transcriptions either!

Originally posted by Howard K
moley, if you wanna take this bet then go ahead, but you will lose...

No I won't.

ill bet you a tenner or twenty if you like (which you can send by post when you lose) that you cant transcribe five songs of my choice within a month!

This is a stupid bet, I can pick five tracks you wont a have chance of transcribing fully.

Well, do you wanna make £20 or not? Name the five songs, and I'll choose whether I wanna take the bet. So if you make 'em too damn hard (like 5 10+ minute Jazz tunes @ 200mbp w/ crazy solos) I won't take it.

I should point out that we cant really do this bet because there's no one to approve or disapprove whether your transcriptions are correct.
I'm certainly not up to the job! ;)

You can read music can't you? I'll send 'em to you, you play 'em, and judge whether they sound right. Well, you won't need to, really, I can tell ya, they'll be right :)

If you want a taste of what I'll set you, think of the first track on either mwandishi or crossings... the one with about ten minutes of percussion. i cant remember which album now.

...we're talking 5 tracks - that's like a hundred minutes of full on jazz here!

please dont take the bet, cause i dont want to take your money and i dont really want the transcriptions either!

Heh. You're probably thinking of the last track on Crossings - with all the percussion. Sleeping Giant it's called. And it's 24 minutes long. And not really good candidates for transcribing, as it's very free, and much of it not in strict time - so how you'd notate the rhythms for it, I don't know.

Seriously though, pick 5 tunes - not all long free Jazz ones like that. Stuff I've got on CD - Jamiroquai, Stevie Wonder, Beatles, Billy Joel, Sting/Police for example, or maybe Jazz stuff such as Kinda Blue, Mingus Ah Um maybe, or early 60s Blue Note (not the really wild stuff). Or, some good ole' Herbie Funk, or some Weather Report maybe.

Pick 5 tunes and I'll tell you whether I take the bet.

Bluff and double-bluff?

It raises a serious issue though - you have to do transcriptions for a purpose - e.g. to learn something like : how Jazz bass lines are constructed. Or maybe you want to play a song with a band.

Otherwise it can just be a chore.

"Not a good candidate for transcribing"
...precisely my point!

Seriously though, pick 5 tunes - not all long free Jazz ones like that. Stuff I've got on CD - Jamiroquai, Stevie Wonder, Beatles, Billy Joel, Sting/Police for example, or maybe Jazz stuff such as Kinda Blue, Mingus Ah Um maybe, or early 60s Blue Note (not the really wild stuff).

Well, you were all "I can transcribe anything, c'mon then!"

..and here I was thinking about a couple of tracks from Tijuana Moods, some of Herbie's more 'out there' stuff and maybe a horribley complex live track from the marcus miller CD I just bought!

...and now it's all, "go on pick five ordinary songs and I'll do it"

I could figure 5 ordinary songs in a week for God's sake. It'd take me a month to write it all down mind you, cause my notation is next to non-existent...!

Basically, I'm not betting you £20 that you cant notate a bunch of 4/4 pop songs in pent minor and some major keys!!!

I'm not stupid... honest I'm not!! :D

..anyway, back on track.. i still think transcribing 5 songs per month is a lot to ask from 'MOST' talkbassers!

Originally posted by Howard K
"Not a good candidate for transcribing"
...precisely my point!

Heh, I could do it - it's just a matter of how to notate free passages. And also, the length. I mean, 24 minutes is a lot for one tune. I could transcribe it - but I haven't got the time to transcribe five 24 minute pieces in a month. To do it in a month, they'd have to be a slightly more reasonable length.

Well, you were all "I can transcribe anything, c'mon then!"

Yeah - but time is the issue here. I was thinking of suggestions like Spearhead's original ones in the first post. Now you go talking about 100 minutes of crazy Jazz.

..and here I was thinking about a couple of tracks from Tijuana Moods, some of Herbie's more 'out there' stuff and maybe a horribley complex live track from the marcus miller CD I just bought!

...and now it's all, "go on pick five ordinary songs and I'll do it"

Hey hey, no, not five ordinary songs. Just not five 25-bloody-minute ones! And are we talking about just bass lines here, or all the parts?

I could figure 5 ordinary songs in a week for God's sake. It'd take me a month to write it all down mind you, cause my notation is next to non-existent...!

Again, do you mean the bass lines, or all the parts? If you're just talking about basslines, no biggie - 5 ordinary songs in less than a week (including notation), no problem.

Basically, I'm not betting you £20 that you cant notate a bunch of 4/4 pop songs in pent minor and some major keys!!!

I'm not talking 4/4 pop songs. I was thinking the more complex end of things. And, I was actually thinking you meant all the parts - not just the bass. When I said Stevie Wonder, I wasn't thinking of just the bass line to You Are The Sunshine Of My Life, I was thinking of all the parts to Sir Duke & I Wish sorta thing etc. - bass, keys, horns, etc.

Did you want me to transcribe just the basslines to the wild Herbie stuff or the whole lot?

It doesnt matter cause I'm not offering the bet!

You initially were talking unconditional - any song, every part etc etc... now these condtions come in and it makes the less difficult

Still, I'd be impressed to see anyone transcribe all parts of five songs of that complexity indside a month - purely because it's a lot of work.

...but then I'm not going to make a bet on how much work you can do in a month am I!

Anyway, you really think you could transcribe the entire of Sleeping Giant? - Including all the percussion?

Do you study music at Uni by any chance? How come you're so accomplished?

Originally posted by Howard K
It doesnt matter cause I'm not offering the bet!

Chicken? :D

You initially were talking unconditional - any song, every part etc etc... now these condtions come in and it makes the less difficult

Condititions? I was talking the same kind of thing that the original poster was talking about - some pop, some Jazz, etc... then you started talking about - 5 crazy Jazz improvisations totalling 100mins!

Still, I'd be impressed to see anyone transcribe all parts of five songs of that complexity indside a month - purely because it's a lot of work.

...but then I'm not going to make a bet on how much work you can do in a month am I!

Apparently not, anymore.

Anyway, you really think you could transcribe the entire of Sleeping Giant? - Including all the percussion?

Well I don't know the notation for percussion, so I wouldn't know how to notate it. All it would come down to would be notating the rhythms. Again, however, it's not all in-tempo. How do you notate free improvisation that's not in tempo?

Percussion aside - yeah I could transcribe it. In fact, maybe I will, just to show you :D

Do you study music at Uni by any chance?

No.

How come you're so accomplished?

I've been playing by ear for a long time, and transcribing songs for a long time.

Condititions? I was talking the same kind of thing that the original poster was talking about - some pop, some Jazz, etc... then you started talking about - 5 crazy Jazz improvisations totalling 100mins!

Well I'd hardly part with £20 for you to transcribe a load of frikkin easy pop songs would I!

I reckon I could transcribe bass parts for five Police/ JK, Stevie (well some!) songs in a month... and I can barely read/write music!! (I'd have to really knuckle down mind!)

My original point was that 5 is a lot for most people to bother with in a month. I personally have three bands, a 9to5, a Mrs and practicing to do.. so five trascriptions is lot to take on.
...and I expect it would be the same for many TBers!

Anyway, this all started because you were shooting your mouth off about being able to transcribe (any!?!) 5 songs in a month... dont even try to deny it, you bloody were!!!

You're on. How much of your hard earned cash do you wanna bet that I can't transcribe five songs in the next month? And how much detail? Every single part? Including drums? Including solos? Every single note played on the recording? Either way - I'll take that bet

:eek:

Originally posted by Howard K


Well I'd hardly part with £20 for you to transcribe a load of frikkin easy pop songs would I!

I wasn't talking about frikkin easy pop songs. There's a big difference between Sleeping Giant and Roxanne.

I reckon I could transcribe bass parts for five Police/ JK, Stevie (well some!) songs in a month... and I can barely read/write music!! (I'd have to really knuckle down mind!)

See, there ya go, talking about bass parts. When I suggested Jamiroquai, Police, Stevie - I was talking about all the parts, not just the bass damnit! Which is completely different. Sure you could transcribe the bass parts for 5 songs by those artists. That's easy. It's not quite as easy when you're transcribing all the keyboard and guitar parts, vocal harmonies, and anything else that's in there. That's why I suggested those songs, not Sleeping Giant and the like. Transcribing all the parts for five tunes of the sort of Sleeping Giant is something of a monster task.

My original point was that 5 is a lot for most people to bother with in a month. I personally have three bands, a 9to5, a Mrs and practicing to do.. so five trascriptions is lot to take on.
...and I expect it would be the same for many TBers!

Anyway, this all started because you were shooting your mouth off about being able to transcribe (any!?!) 5 songs in a month... dont even try to deny it, you bloody were!!!



:eek:

Well, if you will go around offering bets about how many songs we can transcribe in a month!! :D :D

OK, since this has been built up so much....

I'll give you £20 for full transcriptions of the following five songs, by 1st March.

Thing is, you'll need steal mp3's online for some of it... or I could post you a CD if PM me your address?

1) Sly & the Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
Shoudlnt be too hard, horns, geetar etc. Fairly repetative stuff. nice line tho, you'll like it I'm sure ;)

2) Regretting The Rainbow - Steve Lawson
Solo bass... tee-hee. Actaully I expect this one's fairly straight forward, but still, tis all bass :)

3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me :D

4) The Jam - Graham Central Station
Oooh, Ha Haaa! Ha HAAA! Good luck on this bass line, there's more muted slaps than you can wave a thumb at folks!!!

5) Cholly, Funk Get Ready To Roll - Funkadelic
Sorry, I just changed thsi one, as my orinigal choice IIBS was a bit unfair cause the inro is in free time and is unbelievabley difficult even on electric bass!

So do we have a bet?

Only two jazzers in there and one is relativley straight forward (Fables..) for a man of your talents!


SORRY FOR THE LATE EDIT!

Originally posted by Howard K


3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me :D

Good choice!! I want to see how the section in 11 turns out!! ;)

yeah, i absolutely love that track.. in fact the entire album is fantastic.. also very accessable for a beginner jazz listener such as myself

Originally posted by Howard K
OK, since this has been built up so much....

I'll give you £20 for full transcriptions of the following five songs, by 1st March.

Thing is, you'll need steal mp3's online for some of it... or I could post you a CD if PM me your address?

1) Sly & the Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
Shoudlnt be too hard, horns, geetar etc. Fairly repetative stuff. nice line tho, you'll like it I'm sure ;)

2) Regretting The Rainbow - Steve Lawson
Solo bass... tee-hee. Actaully I expect this one's fairly straight forward, but still, tis all bass :)

3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me :D

4) The Jam - Graham Central Station
Oooh, Ha Haaa! Ha HAAA! Good luck on this bass line, there's more muted slaps than you can wave a thumb at folks!!!

5) Cholly, Funk Get Ready To Roll - Funkadelic
Sorry, I just changed thsi one, as my orinigal choice IIBS was a bit unfair cause the inro is in free time and is unbelievabley difficult even on electric bass!

So do we have a bet?

Only two jazzers in there and one is relativley straight forward (Fables..) for a man of your talents!


SORRY FOR THE LATE EDIT!

Define 'full transcription'. Including drum parts? Cuz if so, I'll have to look up how to notate the different drums. And what about horn sections... is just one (or two if it goes quite low) staves with the whole horn section parts on OK? (rather than writing out Trumpet 1, Trumpet 2, Alto 1, Tenor 1 etc. etc. - cuz that's a lot more tricky sometimes). I'm talking about the sort of horn section parts you get in funk and such - where the whole section plays chords & stabs and such.

Also, since I don't know these tunes - how long are they? :)

Can you burn 'em onto a CDR and post 'em to me? That'd be good - I'll PM you my address.

I think that 5 transcriptions a month is pretty easy. I am by no means very good at reading music and thats what this supposed to remedy. These dont have to be hard songs either, it should be for your level of ability. I think that the transcription should only be bass parts, but this is for the learning experience and because of that I think that anybody who is above the the standard bass transcription and wants to challenge themselves with a full transcription should by all means do so. What I need your guys help on is what software to use to make the transcription available for others to see on this site. Also how are we gonna organize this?

i propose that we just announce which songs we're working on to avoid overlap, then scan and post the finished transcriptions in either this thread or another that gets set up for that specific purpose.

Transcribe all you want..I'm using Finale :p

So where will we share all these lovely transcriptions? What format? Just a graphic shot or a Finale file? PDFs?

I have always wondered why, with so much talent here, this hasn't been done before, then I thought there may be copyright issues if we post them to the world. Are there?

I'm sorry, but I think that is ridiculous. How can tab be legal and standard notation not be. This is gonna drive me crazy. Theres gotta be a way around this. What if the piece isnt fully transcribed?

;) I got you, well just be sharing chords and scales. Anyways I got a version of Finale and I will have an "analysis" of the chords and scales of my slected pieces available by the end of the month. The tricky one is going to be Giant Steps because as someone mentioned the bass isnt too audible, but Im always up for a challenge.

To avoid legalities couldnt we just set up a thread where you ask for a song/s and whoever has transcribed or can transcribe the song can just mail it to the person in question.

What progam do you use to write it out.

By the way i can get teh notes but i am hopeless at converting rythym to notation.

I really dont think that i could do 5 a month but the thread is entitled 'challenge' and if asked to do 5 i might get 2 or 3 done but if asked to do 2 i might only do 1.

I couldn't see how chord charts would be illegal...because so many songs have the same chord structure, the only difference being in rhythm, so I think it would get under the law like tabs do.

Originally posted by Wrong Robot
I couldn't see how chord charts would be illegal...because so many songs have the same chord structure, the only difference being in rhythm, so I think it would get under the law like tabs do.

I'm not sure - there was a French website that had all the chord charts from the Real Book - but it got shut down!! :(

Now that is an interesting point.. a shame too.

moley - I mean FULL as in every separete instrument, drums, sax1, sax 2 etc... best get started ;)

Naah, just kidding!

I'd like to see a piano/ guitar chord chart, with exact transcriptions of bass parts and horn melodies... i.e. you dont have to transcribe the horn solos in Fables of Faubus!

...but I do wat to see the outro to the last track, by Funkadelic.. it's got some great bass in it.
Know you'll dig it!

Does that sound reasonable?

:)

Originally posted by Howard K


I'd like to see a piano/ guitar chord chart, with exact transcriptions of bass parts and horn melodies... i.e. you dont have to transcribe the horn solos in Fables of Faubus!


Well - you could just buy the book that I did : "More than a Play Along - Charles Mingus" !!


This has a 5-page transcription of just that, in the book and you get CDs you can play along with, as well!! :)

It's a Hal Leonard, 1999 - book and 2 CDs cost me £16.95 from JazzWise - a great purchase!!

There ae 14 tunes (incl Fables of Faubus) transcribed, notes from the musicians, who play in the Mingus big band and even Mingus' bass solos trascribed.

i've seen that book and considered buying it...but i'm probably a zillion years away form being abel to play that on DB!

anyway, i'd rather pay £20 for moely to do a half-arsed version ;)

Originally posted by Howard K

anyway, i'd rather pay £20 for moely to do a half-arsed version ;)


A great deal!! So - you'd rather pay Moley £20 for a few scrappy versions, when you can get 14 great transcriptions plus CDs for £16.95?

Can I say - there's one born every minute!! :D

i am kidding, but i'm also a sucker for a good bet!

Originally posted by Howard K
i am kidding, but i'm also a sucker for a good bet!

And that's why bookmakers are rich!! :D

And musicians usually poor! :(

oh, no, i never bet on horses, dogs, footy etc... just crap bets with mates..

"i'll bet you cant jump over that car"

etc :D

Originally posted by Howard K
Now that is an interesting point.. a shame too.

moley - I mean FULL as in every separete instrument, drums, sax1, sax 2 etc... best get started ;)

Naah, just kidding!

I'd like to see a piano/ guitar chord chart, with exact transcriptions of bass parts and horn melodies... i.e. you dont have to transcribe the horn solos in Fables of Faubus!

...but I do wat to see the outro to the last track, by Funkadelic.. it's got some great bass in it.
Know you'll dig it!

Does that sound reasonable?

:)

Yup, entirely reasonable :) In fact you may as well start writing that cheque now... :D

Originally posted by Howard K
anyway, i'd rather pay £20 for moely to do a half-arsed version

Half-arsed? You just wait...

Originally posted by Bruce Linfield
A great deal!! So - you'd rather pay Moley £20 for a few scrappy versions, when you can get 14 great transcriptions plus CDs for £16.95?

Can I say - there's one born every minute!!

Scrappy? You've never seen any my transcriptions then...

i shouldnt be too cocky if i were you... some of this wont be 'easy'... have you ever heard larr graham slap?!

i'm sure you can do it!

if i was worried about £20 i'd have set you a much harder task, but as it is i think these songs are sufficiently tricky in places to warrant £20!

All right, it's been almost five months. Moley? :smug:

Yeah, what happened? We want to know!