ignore feature should be for paying members, as well as a feature to ignore an entire forum. this is fair and allows greater use of discretion when visiting tb. it is a much greater incentive than total censorship of a forum

No, I don't see this as a benefit likely to draw in many new supporting mebers!!

I think most people are more interested in filtering out stupid topics or subjects rather than members - they usually get banned eventually anwyay!! ;)

But Bruce, if you could just ignore the entire OT forum, wouldn't you be happy? Wouldn't this be a non-issue for you then?

It's not to bring more supporting members. Its to make you, and others like you, happy.

You can ignore an entire forum. Just don't go there! Don't click the link! Easy! :)

Originally posted by moley
You can ignore an entire forum. Just don't go there! Don't click the link! Easy! :)

That is what I said in a thread that got mysteriously deleted....

It's good advice, what Moley said. Everyone should take it *cough*bruce*cough*;)

But the idea is to make suggestions to improve TB as a whole - what I personally (or any other member) may or may not do, has no bearing on this - but some people seem unable to grasp this concept!!

And can only continue with petty bickering....:(

Originally posted by moley
You can ignore an entire forum. Just don't go there! Don't click the link! Easy! :)

Actually, this isn't entirely true.

My preferred way of checking out what's new on Talkbass is to click on "New since last login." So, I have to wade through plenty of Off Topic crap when I log in.

If I could set it up so that Off Topic wasn't included with that 'click,' I'd do it in a second, believe me.

Originally posted by bassmonkeee


Actually, this isn't entirely true.

My preferred way of checking out what's new on Talkbass is to click on "New since last login." So, I have to wade through plenty of Off Topic crap when I log in.

If I could set it up so that Off Topic wasn't included with that 'click,' I'd do it in a second, believe me.

I agree with you. It is a whole lot better than completely doing away with OT all together as has been suggested.

Until then, I just won't click on the threads I don't want to see when I do hit "new since last login".


Just to state my official vote, I second way_of_opiatism's idea. If it would work without sucking bandwidth or being too complicated in the programming, then I am for it.

Originally posted by bassmonkeee
My preferred way of checking out what's new on Talkbass is to click on "New since last login." So, I have to wade through plenty of Off Topic crap when I log in.

If I could set it up so that Off Topic wasn't included with that 'click,' I'd do it in a second, believe me.

Yeah, but then you'ld miss all the crap I post there (not to mention your crap as well). :D

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


Yes - I find the only way to keep up, is to use New Posts since Last Log-in - so getting rid of OT would be much more of a help. The ignore thing has no real use as far as I can see.

uhh.... Did you read what I said?

If you used the ignore, it would make it so that when you hit the "new since last login" button, you will see everything except for Off Topic.

Why do you say the ignore thing would have no real use? You don't like the OT forum, and it would make it dissapear to you. Isn't that what you want? That way, you will be happy because it will be like there is no OT to you.

Originally posted by XavierG


Yeah, but then you'ld miss all the crap I post there (not to mention your crap as well). :D

Well, some crap is more worthwhile than other crap. :D

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield

Yes - I find the only way to keep up, is to use New Posts since Last Log-in - so getting rid of OT would be much more of a help. The ignore thing has no real use as far as I can see.

I think this is a very good suggestion and I for one would use it to ignore a few users and forums.

I see Bruce fighting almost all the suggestions I see here and frankly I'm starting to think you either fear change in general or don't want people to be able to ignore your posts.

I'm not trying to start a war with you but really, what is the problem with this feature?

There are a handful of users I would love to never have to read again, not even see the skeleton blocked posts that currently are left when you ignore a user.

As well, not having to see so many OT threads when I like others use the "New since last login" feature would cut the number of pages I see every morning in half at least!

At the same time, there are people that love OT and all the craziness that goes along with it and I wouldn't want to damage their experience by suggesting that OT be eliminated.

Nah, Bruce isnt against change.

He wants to totally do away with Off Topic, as he said, "for the better of talkbass as a whole".

I guess I missed the bulliten that said Bruce knows what is best :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Nick Gann
Nah, Bruce isnt against change.

He wants to totally do away with Off Topic, as he said, "for the better of talkbass as a whole".

I guess I missed the bulliten that said Bruce knows what is best :rolleyes:

No need to get snippy.

I think Bruce feels like I do--Off Topic has nothing to do with bass, and causes more problems than it is worth.

As for Bruce knowing best...at least he cares enough about Talkbass to pay to be a supporting member....

Originally posted by Nick Gann

Nah, Bruce isnt against change.

He wants to totally do away with Off Topic, as he said, "for the better of talkbass as a whole".

I guess I missed the bulliten that said Bruce knows what is best

There is a healthy attitude to have.

I never implied this and stated that I wasn't trying to attack Bruce. I admire his desire to improve TalkBass however I think that from past experience on these issues that there needs to be a little more open-mindedness on his part.

But enough talking about him in the third person. I'm sure he will be along to add to this soon enough.

Originally posted by Andrew Noury

I think this is a very good suggestion and I for one would use it to ignore a few users and forums.

Well the ignore function already exists - this is nothing new!! It is available to everyone, but it only works for people - users - not forums!! :rolleyes: I am not against any forums in particular - just the misuse of them by trolls and know-nothing kids!! I wouldn't want to ignore any particular forum and can see no use for this.



I see Bruce fighting almost all the suggestions I see here and frankly I'm starting to think you either fear change in general or don't want people to be able to ignore your posts.

Total rubbish - I have suggested lots of changes - I am only against stupid or badly-thought-out ones!! :mad:


I'm not trying to start a war with you but really, what is the problem with this feature?

Nothing - I just don't see any use for it!! I think you misunderstand what the original post was about - it was just suggesting this would be a good "benefit" for supporting members - well, we already have most of it !! :rolleyes:




At the same time, there are people that love OT and all the craziness that goes along with it and I wouldn't want to damage their experience by suggesting that OT be eliminated.

Nobody has suggested that here!! :confused: :mad:

Originally posted by Andrew Noury


I never implied this and stated that I wasn't trying to attack Bruce. I admire his desire to improve TalkBass however I think that from past experience on these issues that there needs to be a little more open-mindedness on his part.



Total rubbish - where is the evidence that I am not "open-minded"? I take this a an insult and a big attack - I would ask you to prove this kind iof accusation and back it up with some facts!! :mad:

Just blindly agreeing with every suggestion - no matter how stupid - does not equal open mindedness!!

As I said - it seems I am the only one who is actually interested in improving TB - other people here only seem interested in "personal attacks" and bickering!! :mad:

Pleas note - I did not start this and am only defending my good name!!

Originally posted by Nick Gann


Why do you say the ignore thing would have no real use? You don't like the OT forum, and it would make it dissapear to you. Isn't that what you want? That way, you will be happy because it will be like there is no OT to you.

WRONG!! I never said I didn't like the OT forum - get your facts right!! :rolleyes:

I don't know why I'm bothering as you don't read what I say - all I have said is that we now have 3 OT forums which to me seems like unnecessary duplication - I am not against having one OT forum!! But having 3 seems rather silly to me! ;)

Originally posted by bassmonkeee


No need to get snippy.

I think Bruce feels like I do--Off Topic has nothing to do with bass, and causes more problems than it is worth.

As for Bruce knowing best...at least he cares enough about Talkbass to pay to be a supporting member....

Thank you - I thought personal attacks wer supposed to be against forum rules - but all this debate seem to be about is a personal attack on me !!

So - I agree that the big complainers should put their money wher their mouths are, if they are so concened about Talkbass!! ;)

Bruce,

Four posts in a row?!?

I wonder if you've been added to some people's ignore list? Don't worry, you're not going on mine :)

Wulf

Well I would be much happier if they ingnored me, rather than throwing out baseless accusations and unfounded personal attacks!! ;)

Originally posted by Andrew Noury
There are a handful of users I would love to never have to read again, not even see the skeleton blocked posts that currently are left when you ignore a user.

It's your lucky day, Andy, 'cause we've already got that feature :D

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
just the misuse of them by trolls and no-nothing kids!!

Who are you talking about when you say know-nothing kids?

Originally posted by moley


Who are you talking about when you say know-nothing kids?

You want a list - I could be here all day!! ;)

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


You want a list - I could be here all day!! ;)

I just wondered who you were talking about. Were you talking about many of our "resident 15-yr olds"? Or people who don't actually play bass, or what?

Well... the ones who never post about bass stuff but just hang about in OT and talk about piercings, tatoos, being an individual by dressing like everybody else, asking for advice about girls, asking for advice about their relationships, going on about things being awesome, or cool or how bored they are ......as I said I could be here all day with this list!! ;)

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Well... the ones who never post about bass stuff but just hang about in OT and talk about piercings, tatoos, being an individual by dressing like everybody else, asking for advice about girls, asking for advice about their relationships, going on about things being awesome, or cool or how bored they are ......as I said I could be here all day with this list!! ;)

IME, they do talk about bass, too.

You may not pay attention to them, or the sort of threads they post in, but generally the people I see talking about these things are names I recognize from the other forums.

When you say people are talking about "how bored they are" - I assume you're making a reference to the recent "Boredom" thread... that was started by Wrong Robot. Can you *really* accuse WR of being a "know-nothing kid" who doesn't talk about bass?

And, kids will ask for advice about girls and go on about things being "awesome" etc. etc. Is it any surprise? Surely that's what OT is for? People talking about other non-music related things in their life etc.

Just because they talk about the kind of things kids talk about, in OT, why does that make them "know-nothing kids?" :confused:

But what have my personal likes/dislikes got to do with this? Everybody seems obsessed with this - except me!!

So - somebody said I don't like OT - I said, that no I just don't like certain types of people in OT - surely that is my right? I don't have to like everybody and no amount of logical arguments will change my mind on who I like or don't like. It's just personal preference !! :rolleyes:

But the whole thing is completely irrelevant to a discussion of the way we can improve or change TB!! I think people have forgotten we are in the suggestion area now!!

I don't base this on my personal preferences -but it seems that nobody else is able to talk about this objectively?

I just thought that "know-nothing" kids was a bit of an unfair, and innaccurate description.

Well - as I had so many personal attacks to defend, I was just using this as "short-hand" to save time - it obviously didn't work as people are more interested in "getting personal" than talking objectively about how we can improve TB!

If you want to be really pedantic - I will go back and edit that post to say : "It's not that I don;t like OT but rather groups of people who post there such as : :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Well I would be much happier if they ingnored me, rather than throwing out baseless accusations and unfounded personal attacks!! ;)

I know exactly what you mean, Bruce:rolleyes:

:D


Anyway...

I don't see this as a feature that would sway someone sitting on the supporting member fence. Honestly, I don't get all of this ignore stuff. I regularly check "new since..." and for some reason I don't find it difficult to ignore any message or forum I want to. It takes very little effort and practically no time to do it.


So what exactly is the big deal?:bassist:

Exactly!

Somehow I didn't think you would get that first part;)

:bassist:

I agree entirely!! ;)

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Exactly!

Alleluiah!

;)

I think you missed the irony!! :D

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield

Well the ignore function already exists - this is nothing new!!

Right but it doesn't really let you ignore a user completely now does it?

It is available to everyone, but it only works for people - users - not forums!! I am not against any forums in particular - just the misuse of them by trolls and know-nothing kids!! I wouldn't want to ignore any particular forum and can see no use for this.

I and others can. When I said you were not being open-minded this is what I was referring to. You cannot possibly consider that someone might want this feature and value it?


Total rubbish - I have suggested lots of changes - I am only against stupid or badly-thought-out ones!!

Indeed you have... hence the admiration I noted for your effors. However I have seen you poo-poo many more suggestions than you have offered. If you want I'll go through the archives and quote the threads but I'll have to charge you a service fee of some Beano books for the effort.

Nothing - I just don't see any use for it!! I think you misunderstand what the original post was about - it was just suggesting this would be a good "benefit" for supporting members - well, we already have most of it !!

You are right in that we do have some of these features, however they are not benefits of supporting membership and they are not as complete as I and others wish.

%<---
At the same time, there are people that love OT and all the craziness that goes along with it and I wouldn't want to damage their experience by suggesting that OT be eliminated.
--->%

Nobody has suggested that here!!

You have...

"Yes - I find the only way to keep up, is to use New Posts since Last Log-in - so getting rid of OT would be much more of a help. The ignore thing has no real use as far as I can see."

It's back a few threads if you want to see the real deal.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield

Total rubbish - where is the evidence that I am not "open-minded"?

See above but perhaps I should have elaborated to avoid miscommunication...

I think you might not be as open-minded as you should be on the topic of TalkBass suggestions and modifications.

I take this a an insult and a big attack - I would ask you to prove this kind iof accusation and back it up with some facts!!

Perhaps it is your style of writing, perhaps it is my perception of your writing... but as I said above most times I come into this area to see what is being discussed you are usually on the no side of new suggestions and modifications... Lets talk Beanos and I'll grab those old threads. ;)

Just blindly agreeing with every suggestion - no matter how stupid - does not equal open mindedness!!

You are absolutely right.

As I said - it seems I am the only one who is actually interested in improving TB - other people here only seem interested in "personal attacks" and bickering!!

Not much point in discussing this further if that is the posture you are going to take.

Pleas note - I did not start this and am only defending my good name!!

I for one do not think this is a fight. If you do and think I am antagonizing you or picking a fight then I'll bow out of this thread and let you continue on your merry way.

I thought you had a desire to actually discuss things but if you don't want to be challenged then good luck to you Bruce.

Originally posted by Brad Johnson

Anyway...

I don't see this as a feature that would sway someone sitting on the supporting member fence. Honestly, I don't get all of this ignore stuff. I regularly check "new since..." and for some reason I don't find it difficult to ignore any message or forum I want to. It takes very little effort and practically no time to do it.

It probably would not sway many people considering a supporting membership. However like people who prefer to never see advertising, some people would like to not have to see users, posts, threads, forums etc. that they don't want to see.

This is important to me because the signal to noise ratio and troll level has increased to such a level here that I don't honestly think I'll be renewing my supporting membership and continuing as a TB member.

Not a threat since really who cares if I am here or not but I'll vote with my dollars so to speak.

Originally posted by Andrew Noury

As I said - it seems I am the only one who is actually interested in improving TB - other people here only seem interested in "personal attacks" and bickering!!

Not much point in discussing this further if that is the posture you are going to take.




Well, what do you call this but a "personal attack" :

"I see Bruce fighting almost all the suggestions I see here and frankly I'm starting to think you either fear change in general or don't want people to be able to ignore your posts."

Or saying that I need to be more "open minded" ?


So - why did you even have to mention me by name in this context? Are you saying I should not make any negative comments about suggestions - no matter how stupid or pointless they appear to be?

Why do you need to make this a personal thing - why not just put your points or opinions - why are you so worried about what I say?

Why lay into me and not the others in this or other threads?

I can only see this as a personal attack or grudge - there is no other way to see it!! :mad:

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield

Well, what do you call this but a "personal attack" :

"I see Bruce fighting almost all the suggestions I see here and frankly I'm starting to think you either fear change in general or don't want people to be able to ignore your posts."

Or saying that I need to be more "open minded"?

If you take those comments as insults then yes they are personal attacks. I however used them to refer descriptively to your stance on forum modifications and in particular this one.

Do not ignore the nice things I said about you in this thread.

So - why did you even have to mention me by name in this context? Are you saying I should not make any negative comments about suggestions - no matter how stupid or pointless they appear to be?

If you go back a page you will see that I had quoted and was dealing with a comment that you made. That's why I named you and not another user. Because you said what I was challenging.

Why do you need to make this a personal thing - why not just put your points or opinions - why are you so worried about what I say?

I am not making this personal. You are taking it as personal and I am trying pretty hard to play catch-up by reiterating what I meant and clear up any misunderstandings.

Why lay into me and not the others in this or other threads?

Because you have made comments here that I want to discuss... sorry if that is unacceptable to you and I will gladly stop.

I can only see this as a personal attack or grudge - there is no other way to see it!!

I am sorry you see it this way Bruce. I want to go on record now as saying that I have no grudge with you nor am I attacking you out of malice.

It's too bad that is the conclusion you are choosing to hold on to.

Originally posted by Andrew Noury
Originally posted by Brad Johnson

Anyway...

I don't see this as a feature that would sway someone sitting on the supporting member fence. Honestly, I don't get all of this ignore stuff. I regularly check "new since..." and for some reason I don't find it difficult to ignore any message or forum I want to. It takes very little effort and practically no time to do it.

It probably would not sway many people considering a supporting membership. However like people who prefer to never see advertising, some people would like to not have to see users, posts, threads, forums etc. that they don't want to see.

This is important to me because the signal to noise ratio and troll level has increased to such a level here that I don't honestly think I'll be renewing my supporting membership and continuing as a TB member.

Not a threat since really who cares if I am here or not but I'll vote with my dollars so to speak.

I can appreciate your point of view. I guess personally I'm not having the same issues as others. I can look down the list and read what I want to read. It really is no big deal for me. In fact I like the fact that I don't have anything blocked. That's how for example I might see a severely anti-Tab person posting in the Tabs forum, which I don't frequent.

:bassist:

This is just sad. I never thought I'd be closing a thread in my own suggestion box.

I don't like to complain, and I appreciate the suggestion, but having to wade through pages of pointless bickering isn't the best use of my time