This is for everyone with computer based studios...
Let's make a TALKBASS ALLSTARS solo track. We'll start with a chord progression....(someone will have to get inspired and make the backing track.)...
We'll try to keep the sound quality low like 16 bit or maybe even convert them into mp3 or something for ease of downloading. We'll trade tracks...everyone will get 4 or 8 bars to solo on and...? Any ideas? Let's do it.

How about a Talkbass members' Compilation CD sampler?

Will C.:cool:

I dig it!

I'm in

I'm in, but only if I can have a 64-bar solo as minimum! ;)

Actually, one of the Sax players at my local Jazz workshop, has just thrown us an original tune, based on a simple chord sequence - how about this : 4 bars each of

CMaj9
Ab9 sus4
BbMaj9
F#9 sus4
AbMaj9
G9 sus4

This sounded like the sort of progression CROZ was talking about to me, as it has that quality of going round and round for ever...or maybe we could get a variation on this type of "modal" theme?

OK, but I want a whole step modulation before my part. ;)

ok, when we all agree on a style and progression, I can bang out the tracks with band in a box, and mix them to MP3. I'll post the MP3, you download it, solo on a chorus, and send just the solo wave back to me. Then I can mix them all together with the original track. I guess to make it sync correctly, you could just record the solo right from the beginning.

Pacman, it would probably be better if everyone mixed down to 2track stereo before passing it onto the next person...that way we wouldn't have to worry about sync problems...
I'm gonna start working on some backing track ideas...When I'm done I'll post about 4 bars of each in MP3.

the problem there is you have varying degrees of quality. I think if you've got one "master control" program, you can mix a little more consitantly.

I'm using nuendo, so I'd volunteer....

Pacman, how do you like Nuendo...I haven't got a chance to try it yet..It's got a lot of stuff on it I wouldn't use like surround sound/dolby encoding, etc. Sounds like it's more oriented for multimedia/film soundtracks than for musicians. Does it perform better than Cubase for just plain stereo multitrack recording.?<p>
Anyway...if you want to mix it...sure. As long as you mix everyone equally. I kind of wanted everyone to be able to add their layer and go straight on to the next person with no middleman but this is an experiment anyway, right. I didn't just want everyone to add just the solo, I wanted them to add another complete layer of harmony,melody, or just accent the chords. Maybe someone could even harmonize another's solo? <p>
Definitely need more people in on this, though.

Nuendo is the bomb, man! It definately outperforms Cubase, Cakewalk (which I had been using)and most of the others I've tried. It comes as close to having ProTools (which I use at work every day) on a PC as I've ever seen. Not cheap, tho.

As far as the mix goes, you realize that I'll have to mix *me* louder than anyone else :-) just kidding

the play one, pass it on thing might work too....

Yeah Im in for playing something..(although Im not a "star" but thats beside the point or??) this will be fun! Just tell me how to do the recording.. and Ill do it. I think Ill record my part using Sound Forge or something. Get all details and info up. :)

[Edited by Mesa Man on 11-09-2000 at 05:49 AM]

alright, i'm all about this idea. Though CROZ, we should probably make some sort of list for the order in which people will get the file. Reason for that is that, if everyone adds to the same file, we got a problem. So we should make a list that maybe, you would make the first part of the file, then the list would say who is next, and then the next, and so on.

Hy guys it's NiKo here! I'm obviously in if you want me.
I'm not so good as the most experienced of you, but I
hope you don't want a "Joey Di Maio" (would probably be
too much exhibitionist). I'm Italian and I've played
bass for 5 years, I love heavy metal and I'm preetty
good on composing melodic lines (such like "arpeggio").
I'll try to do my best for this project. I'll record my
track with Magix, I've seen the quality is quite good.
I only ask you a base; you know I would not like to be
"off topic" with the others (send it to nikoraven@hotmail.com).
Stay Heavy NiKo Raven

What kind of backing track do we want? Maybe there is a song suitable to cover? Still stumped on the backing track.

In a previous post, Will C. said

<<How about a Talkbass members' Compilation CD sampler?>>

This would more than likely be the most amicable way to do it. I think your going to have problems accomplishing anything listenable the other way. Some many different styles, among other reasons. Like, how many basses can you put on one recording? You're going to get people unhappy with their mix. I've seen the all bass orchestra at Bass Day, and their great - but too many basses, with too many different styles - yeesh!

I'd be more than happy to submit an MP3 to the compilation CD idea.



Herm

Pacman, how much does Nuendo cost?
<p>
Herm,
I kind of like the idea of a compilation album, but I want to just do this through the net, no mail...not everyone has a high speed connection...I wouldn't want to download a whole album. It would be massively cool to do a fundraiser or something but I don't think we would garner as much attention as the artists on the Bassday albums or the SWR sound... I'm certainly not Marcus Miller or John Pattituci!

Nuendo costs about $1400. Not cheap, but less expensive than a ProTools TDM system, and let me tell you, it's close in performance.

In a previous post, CROZ said...

<<I wouldn't want to download a whole album.>>

Croz,
Not a whole album, but just one track from each bassist. You wouldn't even have to use the entire track. Just some sort of signature bass line (or solo) from each contributing bassist's submitted track. I don't really know the logistics, just thinking out loud. As far as making money - is that the point? or are we just trying to show our other talkbass users what each of us is about. That's kinda what the gist of this whole idea sounded like to me.

Maybe Paul has a way to offer downloadable MP3's somewhere on this site that we could submit by uploading it, so snail mail wouldn't be involved? Maybe he could offer links directly to Talkbass member's MP3's on another site? Paul, if you reading this - any ideas?



Herm

[Edited by Herm on 11-09-2000 at 09:33 PM]

Herm, if you want mp3's to download, start a new thread... I'm sure you'll get a big response, however, I had more of a collaboration in mind for this project...
As far as making money...I was just thinking out loud, too, but more of in a philanthropic way than a capitolist way. Most of those all-bass albums usually benefit something. I always wanted to save the rainforest. :D I'm no cheapskate. I'd pay for the cost of postage and a blank cd-r no problem if someone was genuinely interested in my playing.

Croz, I only have a question. Where have I to send
my part of the track when I'll have finisched it?

Originally posted by NiKo

Croz, I only have a question. Where have I to send
my part of the track when I'll have finisched it?

That's a good question. Here's how it's gonna work...first you'll download the backing track file...then you play the your part, just make sure the file your part is on starts from the beginning of the backing track...then upload the file to a website where you can store your files and give us the link to it...then we'll download it.

OK Croz!
I only have an other question.
Where have I to download the backing track?
Without it I really can't work on my track.
Ahem, is it good if my trck is longer than
4 bars?

Originally posted by NiKo

OK Croz!
I only have an other question.
Where have I to download the backing track?
Without it I really can't work on my track.
Ahem, is it good if my trck is longer than
4 bars?
well, um, err..., I haven't got one yet. Any help would be appreciated

Hey Croz, if you like an only bass played backing track
I have one, originally it was the intro for my solo, but
I think it could be good as a backing track to.
Do you remember Cliff Burtons bass solo introduction
befor "For whom the bells toll" live performed in
Oakland (Day on the green)?
It is a progression like that; the difference is that
his one was a scale, mine is an "arpeggio".
I'll upload it in the site I'll construct with the solo.
The only problem is that it starts slow, so I think pherhaps it's a good idea if the Allstar track stars
with the slow introduction, than my solo (they both are
solo), and than the backing track and the other solos
(that's also why my solo is not so magnificent, and it is
better to have a "crescendo" with the solos; you know
if the first is the best there's no way for the others
to be good considered).
If you like this we can do it (HEY I'M NOT SPEAKING ONLY
WITH CROZ!!!).
STAY HEAVY
NiKo Raven.

Where's Paul (The Admin Guy)? I thought he would at least chime in with some comments. Anyway, couldn't we just put a file with a (say Bruce's 24 bar) backing track (like simple drums and keyboard) that everyone could download, solo over and then upload (with a new name, like his/her user name). Then one of you guys could just paste them together.
And if there are any profits (like anyone would buy this thing ;) ), I think they should go to Talkbass.

If we can all agree on a chord progression and style, I'll do a complete backing track. Just let me know...

i agree with player's idea,.

we could also put up a backing track of the head chords to giant steps. let everyone solo over that - that'd be cool :D

Originally posted by Player

And if there are any profits (like anyone would buy this thing ;) ), I think they should go to Talkbass.

Clarification: this is just for fun...and an awesome way for us to share our recording techniques.

JT: I like your idea of Giant Steps but it would be hard to compete with the Bass day version...it would be cool to try, though. If someone else has wants to track it...I have neither a recording of it or sheet music, so...

I really think Giant Steps might be a bit much! I was thinking more of the 4 bar vamp from Red Clay, or something along that line...a little less "heady" for those not really into the jazz thing

(Plus, man, *I* don't wanna solo over that thing!)

yeah! I´m in....

I really like this idea.. :)

but my bar(s) will be what´s most important... silence! :D

Originally posted by MegaAngus
So you guys going to do this or not? I was following this thing, and then bam, no talk for over a week! Whats going on?
well....you got any ideas? Don't you hate when you have an idea and you have to do make it work? Me= Procrastinator(Spelling?) :(

If and when you all get this thing finished, I'd be real interested in hearing it, I don't have any recording equipment, or I'd be offering my riffs. Will this finished
recording be available for everyone?

i'll see what i can do - i might be able to get some chordal stuff down that would be easy to solo over, do our thing to it. :D

I'll bang something out as well, in the next day or two, with band in a box and some synth stuff

Ok, here's what I've got working right now. I've used the chord prog that someone suggested, only I changed the last chord to a stronger dominant so it feels more like the end of a chorus. Looks like this:

CMaj9
Ab9 sus4
BbMaj9
F#9 sus4
AbMaj9
G7b13

How does everybody feel about a tempo of 100 bpm, with "yellowjcket" style (straight 16ths, arppegiated piano type thingie)

ok, fine i won't do anything then. :mad: ;) actually, that looks good jon. send me a clip of it.

this is almost done...I'm banging it out pretty fast, but I've gotta go to work soon, when I'm done, where should I send it? And sould I send .wav or .mp3?

send me an mp3

are you going to host it?

here's the deal. The track has two measures count in (1, 2, 1234) and goes two choruses (48 bars) and ends. when you do your solo, don't come in early, and be out (completely) before the end of the last bar of the chorus, that'll make it easy to edit together. If everyone sends me an MP3, I'll edit them together, master it and then get it to whoever wants to host it.

I can have the MP3 ready tomorrow night.

i could host the mp3 - i could put it up on my band's website.

Ok, guys. "All Stars", the Project Talkbass backing track is on its way to Joht Turner. He'll put it on his bands website. Here's what ya gotta do.

1. Download the MP3.
2. Record your solo.
3. Mixdown the final track.
4. Send it to me. (mrpacman@bellsouth.net)

A few notes:
there are 6 clicks at the begining of the track (to count you in) *Leave at least the last 2 of them!* so I can time the edits easily.

There are two choruses of the chord progression on the track. *Don't start early!!! No pickups or anything like that. You can use one or both choruses, but *be completely out by the last beat of the last bar of the chorus* If you hang over, I'm gonna leave out your solo on the final track. I don't want solos getting cut off or stepped on.

All the tracks were done with a synth, so please *tune to them!* :) Auto tune only works on a single track.

Have fun! When the solos start coming in, I'll post something about when the final edit will come out.

oh, yeah, and nobody play better than me :)

sorry, forgot to mention. If you have big bandwidth or a lot of time, send me .wav files back (there will be less loss to dithering), aiff files are ok, too and MP3 files will be fine, but I'd prefer for sound quality the uncompressed files over MP3.

i got the mp3 - i will put it up on my band's website tonight, and post a reminder to everybody.

okey dokey kids, it's here and it's ready for you.

remember, I didn't write this progression! it's deceptively difficult. Download it here:

http://lordonly.net/Mp3s/ALL STARS.mp3

and when you're done, email it to me at

mrpacman@bellsouth.net

have fun, folks!

I got it. Was that the band in a box?
You guys are definitely go getters. (Pacman,JT)
I am slacker...
I definitely agree with the changing of the last chord. I was working on my own version of those chords in a backing track. The last chord kind of blurred on the repeat. Maybe we'll compare later?

My concern: do you guys still want to play 4 bars? If so we need to make a schedule because we don't want everyone to play on the same 4 bars (the same chord/s). Unless you want everyone to go through a whole cycle? I don't think a slacker like me could make it that far. I suffer from pre-mature solo end-uation. 4-bars and I'm spent. That's why I'm not too popular with the ladies.

Actually, I was hoping everybody would take *2* choruses! (48 bars), but if ya want to take one, that'd be cool. (same rules, tho, ya got to be out by the edit point)

you can do it, dude....the nice thing about this progression is that because it's non-functional harmony, you can think of it as 4 four bar solos.

JT this might be a perfect segue into a theory discussion. We can analyze what everyone did for their solo, and why it works/doesn't work....or not.

C'mon, CROZ you can do it, dude!

Hey Pacman, as Croz suggested to me "Upload it on a site where you can do it", this can be eg your homepage, than say us the link this way we can work over it to realize or adapt our solos; I think is better .mp3 'cause it is lighter and request less time to be downloaded than an .wav file.
I thank you for your work cause I need this backing-track
but I'm not so good writing riffs that anyone could like.

STAY HEAVY NiKo Raven (The youth gone wild).

Don't read my previous reply...
I didn't read after first reply of Pacman in this page...
tecnical problems my PC didn't load the other replies...
Now I'll get the backing-track and will be finally rock'n'roll. I'll do my best.

STAY HEAVY NiKo Raven (The youth gone wild).

I don't think I would have a problem wanking for 48 bars...but...

Who's in on this?

Myself, Pacman, JT, Niko, Player, MegaAngus, Mesa Man, Mr.Fortune Cookie,Bruce Lindfield...Is that accurate?

(BTW, How's your hand M'Angus?)

If we each do 48 bars the final track is going to be 18 minutes long... :(
How 'bout just 24 bars?

Also, you have to play better than the synthesizer bass or you will punished.

24 is fine.......just follow the same rules :0

(am i getting redundant?)

24 is definitely cool.

maybe 2 of us could also "trade 8's" or duel solo. or dual solo?

I'll take a piece of that! sounds cool. How bout trading 4's tho? And that's in addition to a full chorus?

hey jon

those 9sus4 chords have a b7, right?

yeah, dominant sus4.... they can be a *lot* of different chords all at once. but b7 for sure

Well dont wait up for me.. I am going to move in the next few days and will be giving up my 10mbit LAN connection with the internet... :( :( :( for a stinkin' modem!!! Bohooo, oh well I can still get some bandwith at my girlfriends office.(but at least the new apartment is ALOT better) But my point is, dont wait up for my part to come in.. I have only listened a couple of times to the backing and still trying to figure out what and how to play my part. I will be back in here the day i get the modem thing working, guess I am spoiled with three years of LAN into my apartment. Oh well see ya!

so we're doing 24 bars, right? jon, we could take the 2nd half of mine and do back and forth solos, and the 2nd half of yours and do a harmony solo - that would be cool, eh? :D

we also need to see if steve lawson is interested to get in on this, if he likes.

[Edited by john turner on 12-01-2000 at 10:40 AM]

I dig that! we could do ours right from the room at the house.

Hey Pacman, the backing-track is really cool.
I only thought it was more powerfull, but perhaps it is only the ampli of my university-PC. Really great, I like it. Soon back with my solo.

STAY HEAVY NiKo Raven (The Painkiller).

how's everybody doing on this? want to keep this close to the top,too.

Not doing so good... can't get in the zone.

Originally posted by Pacman
Ok, here's what I've got working right now. I've used the chord prog that someone suggested, only I changed the last chord to a stronger dominant so it feels more like the end of a chorus. Looks like this:

CMaj9
Ab9 sus4
BbMaj9
F#9 sus4
AbMaj9
G7b13

How does everybody feel about a tempo of 100 bpm, with "yellowjcket" style (straight 16ths, arppegiated piano type thingie)




Arrrggh - Travesty!! ;) The last chord is especially supposed to sound vague so that the cycle feels as if it is going on forever. G9 sus4!

There is actually a coda or ending :

CMaj9 for 2 bars, Ab9sus4 for 2 bars, G9 sus4 for 2 bars and then a resolution to 4 bars of Cmaj9.

If I'd kept up with this, I could have sent you the midi file with the tune - melody as well! I just hope the composer never sees this - he would be very annoyed with me - probably not though, as he is a Sax player !

PS 100bpm is probably a bit slow from the original's point of view for me, but would be OK.

PPS I hope you are all familiar with Mixolydian mode! ;)

Having said all that - I have read though a bit further and can see this getting off the ground. I would really love to contribute a solo, but how do I do it! I have a PC at home, but don't get to it very often and usually log on to TB at work, but this won't be an option for recording bass solos. ;)

I have never recorded on the PC before, as I have tape-based home recording gear and my band has access to a professional studio for demos. So - how do I do it? Can anyone provide a step-by-step guide and what software I could use/download.

I do have Cubase on my PC and have used it for composing, but as it's set up, it only links to midi and I don't know how to get an "analogue" signal, like Bass onto a PC MP3 or WAV file.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Arrrggh - Travesty!! ;) The last chord is especially supposed to sound vague so that the cycle feels as if it is going on forever. G9 sus4!


PPS I hope you are all familiar with Mixolydian mode! ;) [/B]

well, since this is supposed to be a "trading solos" thing, I wanted some real resolution to the progression.

That mixolydian will work over those sus chords, but I'm having more luck with treating them as minor 9 chords (built off of the 5th) or using ii-V7's over the whole chord.

This is kind of cool, and what I'd like to see happen more, a discussion of the theory behind what we're doing. Rock on.

You could use pentatonic scales built off the II-Vs as you mentioned - sus chords are interesting for improvising as they are ambiguous and don't resolve.

I don't know how you voiced the chords though, not having heard this yet - I've only followed this thread on a PC with no sound capability so far. It's usually the root with a triad built on the chord a whole step below. The interesting thing in this sequence though, is how you move smoothly from one chord to the next - as I was mentioning it is supposed to be a continual flowing thing, that seems to go on for ever without resolving. So the solos are supposed to reflect this. I usually try to find a "lick" that I can just move a semi-tone up or down, just as it's coming to the change. But sometimes I find things where you can actually stay on the same notes across the change - doesn't work for all the transitions though.

I still don't know how I'm going to get my solo added though! :(

[Edited by Bruce Lindfield on 12-11-2000 at 04:30 AM]

Hi guys, I'm working stronger than ever to do this solo.
That's 'cause I have less time than I need (I want a 32
hours day!!!!!!!!). At the moment it is in embrional form,
this is only the note sequence, than I'll apply some effects. I hope you will enjoy it when I'll have finisced.

STAY HEAVY
NiKo Raven (The Prawler).

I finally downloaded the tune. The next challenge is to find time to do something with it. Tis the season to be short of time you know. I haven't had a chance to even think about the approach I'll be taking yet, but when I do I'll share.
P.S. I hope your not in too big of a hurry. With job, family, Xmas and the bands recording project already pressing, it may take a little time to get to.

yeah, i haven't had a chance to work on it yet either.

Bruce...You have Cubase and you've never recorded on a PC before? Tell me about your equipment/software(version) and I might be able to help. If you have a cheesy sound card it might no sound that great, though. With digital recording the sound is all in the A/D converters, man. :)

Well this is on a pretty old Compaq Presario, which is meant to be like a "home" computer and had the sound card built in. I don't use it much as I use computers all day at work, so when I come home I want to do other stuff like play music with other people, so the last thing I want to be doing is messing about with computers for hours at home.

I also have a Yamaha "XG" external soundcard, MU10, which has some great sounds on it, but no facility to record. I use this to compose stuff - that is, it will play synth sounds, drums etc from the sequencer, but I have no facility to record.

how are you guys progressing on this little project of yours? I'm very interested in hearing this =) I would try to pitch in but I don't know enough theory yet =P haven't gotten too far with chords yet.. I'm getting a keyboard for christmas so my teacher can teach me the chords better. well, keep me posted on your progress guys

-Willz

Sorry guys, not gonna be able to finish this.. I have to quit talkbass. Keep it going!

Has everyone quit this? I mean.. the holidays are over and I'm sure everyone has a little more free time so why don't you guys pick it up again? I'd love to hear this!

I'm downloading the file now. I really want to try and make a contribution, but I warn you - my theory isn't the best, and neither is my recording ability. Looks like you're going to have to punish me...

Is everyone still up for it? Even if I can't come up with anything worthy, I'd like to hear the finished thing. Should be interesting.

I'd wanna contribute as well but I only know up to a certain amt. of theory.. maybe enough.. oh well, keep me posted on this stuff!

Sorry guys, I can't work on the project at the time; I'm a
student and I've exames right now I'll try to finish it for
the end of February.
STAY HEAVY NiKo Raven.

I would love to get involved but like a fool I've only just looked up this thread! :(

Is it still going ahead? I tried the mp3 link which failed and I couldn't find it on JT's site.

If it is what's the preferred method of recording the bass tracks? I have got Cubasis VST through an SBLive! on a PII 350 (slow but it was a choice between a new computer and my Eden cab!) I'm not sure if I can play an mp3 on VST and lay down a track that way or if I will have to use something like Wavelab lite while I play along to Winamp.

Any help would be appreciated as this sounds like a project that will be fun and test my abilies at the same time.

Smoothgroover, I managed to get the Mp3 from JT's site. Email me and I'll sent it to you if you want.

:D Yes please! :D

I emailed you yesterday via this forum...BTW how big is the file?

Cheers!

Smoothgroover, sorry for not replying to the email but I had trouble getting into Hotmail - nothing too serious though - I hope! . I'm in college at the moment, so I'll try tonight. I can't think how big it is, but it took about 10 minutes to download on my 56k modem on a Saturday afternoon, so it can't be that big.

[Edited by yawnsie on 02-13-2001 at 09:27 AM]

At long last I've got the MP3 - cheers yawnsie! :D

Is this thing still going ahead? Things have got really quiet on this thread...

If it is could somone please reply ASAP as I would love to hear the end product.

If not...oh well :(

(kind of red-faced)

yeah, it's still going...NOBODY'S sent me anything! But then again, I've not gotten off my ass either. Please, folks, if you still want to do it, let's get to it.

If anyone thinks the chord prog is too hard (it *is* difficult, but worth working on...lots of meat in there), I'd be happy to do another backing track....took me like an hour to do the last one.

I'm a loser, too, man...
I totally drew a blank on that backing track. Kudos for you for making it but I couldn't dig it. Here's a suggestion: maybe redo-it with just a drum track and piano. I don't know about you but it's a lot easier for me to solo over a straight groove than a beat with too many accents. It makes you want to play the accents and there's just too many to really break loose from....<p>
Give this another go? I'll be of more help this time... :crosses fingers behind back: "I promise"

Hey guys I'm back!!!!!!!!!
As I said in an other post I've lost the backingtracks
file; could somebody send it to me at nikoraven2@
hotmail.com or at niko_raven@yahoo.it ?
If I don't have the backingtrack I'll never finish the work.

Sorry guys I don't have time to keep on the project.
Really to say I don't have time for nothing.
I'd really like to do this project.

STAY HEAVY NiKo RAVEN (THE DEATHLESS).

bump

anyone interested in doing this?

I am.

I'm interested, but I would have to record my part with a 4 track and then convert that to the computer. Would that work or am I SOL?

I'm not exactly the greatest player in the world, but I don't think I would completely ruin anything. :D :rolleyes:

Originally posted by john turner
bump

anyone interested in doing this?

Hey JT,

I'll grab the MP3 and give it a go. This is the first time I've seen this thread, so I'm coming in a bit late.

I'm not all that great...or that fast, but I'll give it a shot! :D

Lisa

JT,

Can't grab the MP3. Get an error on the link. Tried to find it though the web site, but didn't have any luck there either. Is it still available for download?

Lisa

i don't have it up on my site anymore. perhaps pacman can set up a link? he's the one who made the backing tracks.

I'm going to have to do some digging. Since it's been more than a year since we did this and to date I've had zero returns, I might have deleted the file from my computer.

More later.

hey that sounds like a great idea, explain the rules a little more so we can play

I'm in...

I want in on this too. :D

Originally posted by Hugh Jazz
I want in on this too. :D

Dude...gotta tell you, I haven't stopped laughing since I saw your user name! :D

Lisa

Heheheh. Gotta love the Simpsons! :D

By the way, I noticed that you're in Lawrenceville...that's right next door to home (home as in where I live when I'm not at school).

Originally posted by Hugh Jazz
Heheheh. Gotta love the Simpsons! :D

By the way, I noticed that you're in Lawrenceville...that's right next door to home (home as in where I live when I'm not at school).

You'll have to let us know when you're coming home. Maybe we can scrounge up a get together.

Lisa

Actually I'm at home right now for spring break. :D

Originally posted by Hugh Jazz
Actually I'm at home right now for spring break. :D

Okay...some notice would be good! :D Shoot me an email. Maybe we can get together.

Lisa

I really was desperate as I had to say I can't go on with this, but now my problems are gone.
Perhaps I can try to write a simple backing track with drums, bass, some violinos and organs, and then send the Mp3 to Mr Pacman.
What do yo think 'baut?
I'm not a great solo-man, but I can do good arrangements.
Jon and everyone interested post me if you agree with my proposal.

nikoraven@hotmail.com

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I've not read the whole thread as yet, But I'd like to contribute - I ain't great or nuffin' so don't go getting high hopes and all that, but...

This is a funky Idea someone PM me with the detail please

:cool:

Where is the track? I will try but I will have to hear it first.

[opens door to darkened room - strains to see signs of life - then carefully calls out..]

Hello? Is anybody here? I was told there was some sort of party going on here - I know I'm kinda the 'Johnny-come-lately', but I'd really like to crash this gig. Where's that mp3?

X

uh oh, guys.

I've since deleted this file, probably during a disk cleanup (you know you're supposed to do that with audio computers...)

I can do another one. I suggest a less 'advanced' chord progression, so we can all take a bite of it. Last time, the progression had some very ambiguous harmonies, without a clear resolution. While that lent itself to the cyclical nature of a million solos, it didn't do a lot for those of us who are 'less hip' to advanced harmony.

So, let's come up with a progression, I'll try and band out a cool backing track (the last one was pretty sweet), and we'll start again.

sound cool?

guess what. i found a copy of the old mp3 while doing a clean up of my old computer.

here's the link...

http://lordonly.net/Mp3s/ALLSTARS.mp3

How does it work? I noticed there's bass throughout. Is that you, Jon?

Originally posted by XavierG
How does it work? I noticed there's bass throughout. Is that you, Jon?

That's actually the bass from Band in a Box. Here's the progression, if anyone didn't read back -

CMaj9
Ab9 sus4
BbMaj9
F#9 sus4
AbMaj9
G7b13


Good luck! (and thanks, John)

OK, this may be a stupid question but.....What key is this in? Is it Cmaj?

It's in the 'key of the moment', but C is implied, in that there's a V7 chord to a I chord....

but you can do lots with it...

Care to enlighten me, Jon? I didn't get the 'users manual' - are we supposed to take the mp3 and record our bassline over it? Is everyone who's doing this supposed to take a 'solo' (tune seems a bit too short for that). Should I go back to the beginning of this thread to find instructions?

Lost in Vancouver,

X

Originally posted by XavierG
Care to enlighten me, Jon? I didn't get the 'users manual' - are we supposed to take the mp3 and record our bassline over it? Is everyone who's doing this supposed to take a 'solo' (tune seems a bit too short for that). Should I go back to the beginning of this thread to find instructions?

Lost in Vancouver,

X

here's the deal. The track has two measures count in (1, 2, 1234) and goes two choruses (48 bars) and ends. when you do your solo, don't come in early, and be out (completely) before the end of the last bar of the chorus, that'll make it easy to edit together. If everyone sends me an MP3, I'll edit them together, master it and then get it to whoever wants to host it.


Sound cool?

I'm out.

That track is way too busy for me. I can't imagine where or what I would play over it.

When you've recorded the solo, do you send the whole track with background or just your own solo part without background?

Originally posted by Pacman
It's in the 'key of the moment', but C is implied, in that there's a V7 chord to a I chord....


That's only becuase you changed one of the chords! ;)

It is not supposed to have a key centre - it is supposed to be a continually shifting tonality striving forever onwards to a new key centre.

This was the "blowing" section of a tune that I did which was written by an alto sax player I know - it was called something like "Eternal Flame" - eternal was in it anyway - and there is a head and coda which take this theme further - so he explained it to me as something that is forever striving to get to the next key centre without ever reaching a resolution.

So - I had these changes programmed into my microcomposer to practice soloing and I thought it was a nice little progression which seemed to work well for a bass solo - although some of the other instrumentalists had been a bit "bemused" by it - so I got to solo over it!

So, when this project was suggested I put forward this chord sequence; but I think Jon changed one chord as he wanted it to resolve - but that wasn't the original composer's intention!

So the last chord should be G9sus4 - not G7b13! ;)

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


So - I had these changes programmed into my microcomposer to practice soloing and I thought it was a nice little progression which seemed to work well for a bass solo - although some of the other instrumentalists had been a bit "bemused" by it - so I got to solo over it!



more like befuddled I bet ;)

and yeah, I changed that chord so there was resolution.

ok, dudes, i think this idea is great and i'm well up for having a go!

I'll try to figure out those chords tonight and start work!

Please confirm these are the final chords... and did you say 4 bars of each?

CMaj9
Ab9 sus4
BbMaj9
F#9 sus4
AbMaj9
G7b13

Actually where can I find this band in a box mp3 that Pacman has done?

Maybe we should agree alength for each solo? - has this already been done?

PS: CROZ & Pacman - yes, Nuendo is brilliant. So intuitive, easy to install, use - I love it... I know who to ask when I get a few problems now. Cool!

whoa there.. that track is pretty darned busy... i'm no jazzo (YET!, Bwa-Ha-HAAARGGH!), but I shall do my very best!!!

spam, spam, spam, spam... SPAAAM!

Is no-one else going to do this solo after all that basstalk?

I admit I was pretty confused when I looked that those chords, but when I got home and played about with them, it's not as hard as it looks 'on paper'...
come on peeps!

ok, did the bassline in the other thread(how i found out about this one) so im going to record something right now.

ok im back. recorded it. i guess its time to send. has anybody sent anything yet?

well so much for that. my email got bounced back to me

send it to me at jpackard@satx.rr.com

i'm gonna try and record mine tonight... t'aint nuthin special because some of those chords are very new to me (as is theory)...but what they hey... better than not trying at all I say!

Actually, please can someone explain what "sus4" means after a chord... ie. what note in the chord is changed, added, removed or whatever?

A sus4 chord, is a chord that consists of a root, a fourth and a fifth.

edit: example

Csus4 would be C,F and G

Aah, I see. I'd presumed the 4th was in there somewhere and was playing the odd 4th in my solo.

cheers!
H.

By the way, if I record something, shall I send the entire mix or a wave file of just the solo without background?

Originally posted by dudemeister
By the way, if I record something, shall I send the entire mix or a wave file of just the solo without background?

Send the entire mix as an MP3.

By the way, Narud has finished his and set the bar pretty high. Nice ride, man!

By the way, Narud has finished his and set the bar pretty high. Nice ride, man!

I'll be knocking the bar down with my attempt then!


Any chance of hearing Narud's solo it before it gets mixed down?

I'm feeling all self-consctious now... I kind of want to know the standard, because I'll spend more time on it if everyone else is a ****-hot player!!! (I'm not you see).

Sorry if that's a bit cheeky!

Originally posted by dudemeister
A sus4 chord, is a chord that consists of a root, a fourth and a fifth.

edit: example

Csus4 would be C,F and G

But this isn't the type of chord we're talking about here - so to take your example - it's C9sus4 - which would be C,F,G,Bb and D. You could think of this as a Gmin7 chord with C in the root.

I think that most pianists just voice them as a triad in the right hand with the root. So the last chord was G9 sus4 and I would say a triad of CFA with G as the root. Dmin7 over G - leaving out the D.

But I'm not a pianist and don't have one in front of me right now, so I could be wrong! ;)

But this isn't the type of chord we're talking about here - so to take your example - it's C9sus4 - which would be C,F,G,Bb and D.

Thanks.

I'm ashamed to say that means about as much to me as a one-legged drunken icelandic nudist trying to explain quantum mechanics in mime... :rolleyes:

Just Kidding - this is what i think I understand(?)

C = root
F = 4th
G = perfect 5th
Bb = flat Major 7th - - why?
D = Major 9th

OK, so where does the triad bit come in - what is a triad?

- and why is it called sus4? - what does sus mean?

I'd really appreciate your help here.. bear in mind I've had ONE lesson tho - the second is coming up soon!

:confused: :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Howard K


Thanks.

I'm ashamed to say that means about as much to me as a one-legged drunken icelandic nudist trying to explain quantum mechanics in mime... :rolleyes:

Just Kidding - this is what i think I understand(?)

C = root
F = 4th
G = perfect 5th
Bb = flat Major 7th - - why?
D = Major 9th

OK, so where does the triad bit come in - what is a triad?


Well any 9th chord is really a dominant 7th with an added ninth - so if I see a C9 as a bassplayer - I will generally treat it is the same way as if it was written C7 - so it must have flattened 7th.

A triad is just a three note chord - pianists will often leave out roots and fifths, as the bass player is covering those (hopefully ;) ) so in this case all we are doing is leaving out the G, as this is the note which tells you least about the nature of the chord in this case - but this is a personal choice.

Also the 4th and 5th together could be quite discordant. ;)

I've just sent a very flaky mp3 to Pacman...

I'll apologise now for the lack of knowing what the Hell I'm playing!!!!

It was fun tho.. community spirit n' all that jazz.

He's lying. It's not flakey at all. Keep 'em coming in, guys.

.....and in another year and a half, two more people will record something;)

it was a good idea though. it really didnt take that long to do either for any of you that are shying away thinking it will take too long.

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Instead of watching Neighbours or Pets That Kill tonight on channel4070, download the allstars mp3 and write a shrt solo!

A shirt solo!!?? have you ever heard the Bonzo Dog Dooda Band song "Shirt"? This is brilliant and features a solo by Roger Ruskin-Spear on the "electric shirt collar" ! :D

Getting back to the subject - I have played countless solos over this sequence - live with a band and practising at home with my microcomposer! But I have no way of downloading any music from the net or recording myself digitally....:(

Getting back to the subject - I have played countless solos over this sequence - live with a band and practising at home with my microcomposer! But I have no way of downloading any music from the net or recording myself digitally

Aah. A pretty big set-back admittedly!

How do you use talkbass - at work? - I downloaded the allstars mp3 at work - zipped it to three floppys and took it home... the recorded on le PC, burnt back to CD and emailed to Pacman from work!

(Yell.com were kind... they agreed to pick up the bill for the download and email)

Originally posted by Howard K

How do you use talkbass - at work?

Yup!

- I downloaded the allstars mp3 at work - zipped it to three floppys and took it home... the recorded on le PC, burnt back to CD and emailed to Pacman from work!


Well - I do have a PC at home - but it is ancient - not even a pentium and has no way of recording anything or burning CDs !!

I just never use it - when at home, I'm playing music, practising, rehearsing, playing/going to gigs - anything but using a PC!! ;)

I just never use it - when at home, I'm playing music, practising, rehearsing, playing/going to gigs - anything but using a PC!!

That is 110% understandable. I set-up my home 'studio' only very recently and it's noticebley detracted from the amount of time I play bass.

I find myself slapping in the kitchen while waiting for the kettle to boil (ooh-err, missus!)....

Because I work with the net, obviously I use a PC all day - it means I know what I'm doing and managed to get he home studio set-up and working relatively quickly and without any help, but it also means I'm sick and tired of staring at a screen by the time I get home from work.

I so need to get out of the office day-job. It sucks arse, as they say.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield


Well - I do have a PC at home - but it is ancient - not even a pentium and has no way of recording anything or burning CDs !!

I just never use it - when at home, I'm playing music, practising, rehearsing, playing/going to gigs - anything but using a PC!! ;)

Stop complaining and step on up into the 21st century technologically. :D You can get a decent PC for less than $1,000 US.

More on topic:

Is this progression available as a band-in-the box thingie or am I going to have to download the MP3?

For this one you'll have to download the MP3, as I want all the background tracks to sound the same. That'll make editing it together easier.

Someone want to post the already-submitted basslines here so I can see what I'm up against? I need to know how high the standard has been set so I can either:

a) practice lots
b) run like the wind

Having heard narud's (and everyone else's) "Fusion Jam" entry, I'm leaning toward "run like the wind"

Having heard narud's (and everyone else's) "Fusion Jam" entry, I'm leaning toward "run like the wind"

I would have liked a sneak preview too, but I figured what the Hell, it's not a competition! Surely it's the taking part that counts?

What's the worst that could happen?

If my solo turns out to be the shi**est one in the finished mp3 and it sticks out like a sore thumb, then I know I have to practice more!

...and quite frankly if anyone wants to slate me for joining in, but not being 'good enough' then they're an arsehole!

Don't worry about it, just do your best... it's not like you can ever do any better is it!

Hey fellas... I dont have any recording equiptment but I would love to hear what you have going on so far... I'd like to hear the compilation as it is now...

I downloaded the mp3 somehow I will get it home so I can practice on my own. This is a totally sweet idea!!


By the way, I play a Sunburst MIM Fender JazzV (passive).

I FINALLY PUT IT ON THE NET.
PROJECTTALKBASS@HOTMAIL.COM
PASSWORD: PROJECT.

Where can I get the backing track?? The link earlier in the thread doesn't work.

I'd love to do this.

Alex

Go to: www.hotmail.com

type in "projecttalkbass" for the Username
and
"project" as the password.

This will log you into the email account.
There's only one message in the inbox. Select it and download the attachment that accompanies the email message.

Peace,

- Frank.

Originally posted by Phil Smith


Stop complaining and step on up into the 21st century technologically. :D You can get a decent PC for less than $1,000 US.



I'm not paying $1,000 for something that would sit in the corner and be used once a year, if that ....probably only to take part in this project! ;)

Oh well, I guess you'll be missing out on all of the fun. :)