Does anyone else think that Derek and the Dominos is worthy of a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I mean, they've kind of earned enough praise for Layla alone to be inducted. They only recorded one of the best rock albums of all time, and they had such a great assembly of talent for the time that they were together...Eric Clapton, Duane Allman, :bassist: Carl Radle :bassist:, Jim Gordon, Bobby Whitlock...

So, what do you think?

Sure.....right after the Ventures.

Isn't Jim Gordon doing time for slicing off his mothers head? Not that it should affect the vote.
Didn't Jim Keltner play on those records too? Wasn't there a band where Gordon and Keltner played together?

Definitely yes. Layla is one of the greatest rock albums of all time IMHO. I don't think any album has ever conveyed the feeling of a broken heart better.

I think that Layla is one of the greatest albums in rock history. There is more raw emotion and more great playing on that album than you will find on 99.9% of rock albums

However....I think that one of the criteria for induction should be longevity - can you make a contribution over a period of time??? And for that reason alone I would not vote in the Dominoes.

Clapton and Allman are already in.

You could make the same argument for Blind Faith.

What Machaut said.

I really like Layla (the song) up until the extended outro, which sounds like a cat fight in the alley behind the dental school. :eek:

Originally posted by mcbassdude
Isn't Jim Gordon doing time for slicing off his mothers head? Not that it should affect the vote.


Are you serious? :eek:

My vote would be yes, BTW.

Mike :confused:

Originally posted by Fuzzbass
What Machaut said.

I really like Layla (the song) up until the extended outro, which sounds like a cat fight in the alley behind the dental school. :eek:

What he said. KTOSS... keep the outro short, stupid!

Originally posted by Michael Jewels


Are you serious? :eek:

My vote would be yes, BTW.

Mike :confused:

Yeah Jimmy Gordon did a freak and decapitated his mothers head and stuck it in the oven and then made himself a sandwich. Abd you think your drummers strange!
See too much Acid is NOT a good thing!
I believe he's in San Quentin doing a life w/o parole.
Sad huh?
Although the prison band must have a great rhythm section (if they let him play).
Anyone know if Gordon and Keltner played together?

Originally posted by mcbassdude


Yeah Jimmy Gordon did a freak and decapitated his mothers head and stuck it in the oven and then made himself a sandwich. Abd you think your drummers strange!
See too much Acid is NOT a good thing!
I believe he's in San Quentin doing a life w/o parole.
Sad huh?
Although the prison band must have a great rhythm section (if they let him play).
Anyone know if Gordon and Keltner played together?

Oh My GOD! I never knew this! :eek:

Thanks for the info.

Mike

I had heard Gordon was doing time...then again, is he even still alive?
As for the rest of the band-
Allman, Radle, Whitlock are deceased, right?

My favourite Carl Radle story(from an interview in Guitar Player mag, I think)-
One year, Radle was 'voted', like, 4th best bass in Jazz according to Playboy. In JAZZ?!!?
3rd place was Ray Brown & 5th place was Mingus...

The only thing "Jazz" about Radle was the Fender Jazz he played.
Anyway-
Radle said he envisioned Mingus calling up Brown
& sayin', "Who is this mutherf***** between us"?

Originally posted by mcbassdude

Didn't Jim Keltner play on those records too? Wasn't there a band where Gordon and Keltner played together?
I don't know if they played together, but they both played with Delaney and Bonnie and Friends around the same time.

*On Jim Gordon, Carl Radle, Duane Allman...*

Yeah, Gordon did kill his mother, but he didn't decapitate her or anything...Christ, no. All he did was stab her three times. (ALL he did?!?)
Gordon was a manic-depressive schizophrenic. He was, even during D&D recording sessions.
He is still alive, though rumors were floating around in the early '90s that he had died of cancer, but correspondants with Gordon claim he is still alive...obviously; how else would they be talking to him?

Carl Radle died of kidney failure in 1980.

We all know what happened to Duane Allman. Eat A Peach.

*On the extended Layla outro...*

I have to disagree with some of you and say that the extension to Layla is better than the other part of the song!

*On longevity as an issue to induction...*

Buddy Holly and Jimi Hendrix both had a relatively short career, yet they are both in the Hall of Fame.

I have to disagree with some of you and say that the extension to Layla is better than the other part of the song!

Get rid of those caterwauling slide guitars and I might agree with you. ;) I can't believe Duane Allman was a part of that

moptoptony wrote:

Buddy Holly and Jimi Hendrix both had a relatively short career, yet they are both in the Hall of Fame.

In the case of those two individuals, both of them had ground breaking careers in rock and roll. Both of them changed the very nature of rock and roll.

So did Eric and Duane and they are in the hall.

But Jim, Carl and Bobby? Did they change by themselves the nature of rock and roll? No, they "helped" out on a great, great record...and then they did nothing of great note afterward.

Also, the Dominoes did Layla, and then a live album of the same material - that's it. Both Holly and Hendrix created many many more times the amount of music than the Dominoes did.

JMHO.

I haven't heard too much of Derek and the Dominos, but i have heard most of the Layla album and it is very good IMO. I don't think they should however be inducted just on the strength of one album.

People have already mentioned Hendrix etc, and their realtively short careers, but Hendrix made three classic albums in 3 years, which the Dominos did not.

Clapton however IMO, is most definitely not underrated, he's one of the best guitarists ever, also IMO, although I can't say I think or know much of the other members.

So to cut a long post short, no.

Not sure about this-

I think I've heard that Layla hasn't even reached 1,000,000 units in sales...if true, that's so wrong.
;)

I find this album to be boring.

I have tried and tried but I just can't stop turning it off.

By themselves some of the people on this disk may have changed the path of music but for me not on this disk.

Why not Blind Faith?

I was already saying "Why NO Blind Faith?" Though I'm sure they are disqualified on longevity the same way D&tD will be.

Having said that, Layla is a high-water mark. I smile when I remember reading that Billy Powell named his kids 'Derek' and 'Layla' because of it.

Im bringing up and old thread but oh well. I love this album and this band and they definitely need to be in the hall.

I personally love the screeching slide guitars . Bobby Whitlock is a genius in my book and definitely one of my fav keyboardists.

I think that Layla is one of the greatest albums in rock history. There is more raw emotion and more great playing on that album than you will find on 99.9% of rock albums
yes, i agree...and if you don't think layla is raw enough, listen to bell bottom blues...i think that song is raw emotion!

well Clapton's already in three times (Cream, Yardbirds and solo) and so is Duanne Alman

how about these overlooked people
that are not hip enough for Jan Weiner's popularity hall

Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Peter Gabriel, Todd Rundgren

it's a shame

I selected no, because this was more like a side project for people who are already in the R+RHOF

well Clapton's already in three times (Cream, Yardbirds and solo) and so is Duanne Alman

how about these overlooked people
that are not hip enough for Jan Weiner's popularity hall

Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Peter Gabriel, Todd Rundgren

it's a shame


If that is correct, then +1.
( I haven't checked the roster. )

But let's face it, whenever you see a 'top whatever' of the last ____ < insert time period > you are always going to see
major gaps on the list. RARHOF, I'm sure, is no different.

Are you serious? :eek:

My vote would be yes, BTW.

Mike :confused:

And I thought Badfinger had a tragic history...

I say yes, but the Dave Clark 5 has to go in too...

Can't have the Dave Clark 5 without Herman's Hermits.

Derek & the Dominos were a short term interim gig for some superb musicians. I really like Layla, but I don't think this is a Hall of Fame group. Delaney & Bonnie were another great short term band with Clapton's involvment, but again not Hall of Fame group IMHO. OTOH how in the world does my favorite band of all time, Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, get into the R&RHOF? or Pete Seegar? At least Derek & the Dominos were rock & roll. The selection criteria seems to have nothing to do with rock & roll and everything to do with enticing as wide an audience as possible to the venue.

I vote no. Some good stuff but not enough.

No.

Good album, one really lasting hit, and didn't really blaze any trails.

The point of a "Hall Of Fame" is to be the best of the best. With most any organization, there are unbelievably amazing people in their fields that never get in to their hall of fame.

Aside from a problem of including too many bands, it's also a problem of what defines "rock and roll."

YES. They absolutely should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. They are one of the greatest rock/blues combos to ever unite.

I think it's important to recognize that the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame -- and, perhaps more importantly, Rock'n'Roll itself -- is more about a cultural phenomenon than it is about music per se.

Do I think Derek & The Dominos "made some of the best music in rock history"? Absolutely not. But I do believe Derek & The Dominos made a significant enough impact on contemporary culture to warrant inclusion in the HoF. That first album is iconic. The song "Layla" is known all over the world, and probably gets played on hundreds (thousands?) of radio stations a day. Any comprehensive History Of Rock could not ignore that band's (brief) existence.

Has nothing to do with whether or not the music's any good, or how long they lasted, or how many units they sold. Their place in the culture of Rock'n'Roll is solid; the HoF is just acknowledgement of that.


btw, this also explains why prog bands never get nominated: The cultural impact of even the best/most famous prog artists is (almost by definition) marginalized.

Not before Dire Straits gets in.

*On Jim Gordon, Carl Radle, Duane Allman...*

Yeah, Gordon did kill his mother, but he didn't decapitate her or anything...Christ, no. All he did was stab her three times. (ALL he did?!?)
Gordon was a manic-depressive schizophrenic. He was, even during D&D recording sessions.
He is still alive, though rumors were floating around in the early '90s that he had died of cancer, but correspondants with Gordon claim he is still alive...obviously; how else would they be talking to him?

Carl Radle died of kidney failure in 1980.

We all know what happened to Duane Allman. Eat A Peach.

*On the extended Layla outro...*

I have to disagree with some of you and say that the extension to Layla is better than the other part of the song!

*On longevity as an issue to induction...*

Buddy Holly and Jimi Hendrix both had a relatively short career, yet they are both in the Hall of Fame.

Yes, but Buddy had like 9 number one hits in 18 months, and this in the middle of the One Hit Wonder years, and Hendrix had a sizable body of work, even tho' he died way too early, you could make a case for Jimi just on his postumous releases. Basically, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs was a "project" as were Derek and the Dominos as a band. I don't think they even toured behind the album (just while the album was being written), they also backed George Harrison on his All Things Must Pass. D&D was basically Delaney and Bonney and Friends, minus Delaney and Bonney, and Allman was basically brought in as a session man, and didn't do the pre album tour. I don't know if I'd induct them as a group, but I think the album, and definitly the song Layla deserves some sort of recognition. It might have been the best of Claptons hard rock/ blues rock stuff.

Yes, but Buddy had like 9 number one hits in 18 months, and this in the middle of the One Hit Wonder years, and Hendrix had a sizable body of work, even tho' he died way too early, you could make a case for Jimi just on his postumous releases. Basically, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs was a "project" as were Derek and the Dominos as a band. I don't think they even toured behind the album (just while the album was being written), they also backed George Harrison on his All Things Must Pass. D&D was basically Delaney and Bonney and Friends, minus Delaney and Bonney, and Allman was basically brought in as a session man, and didn't do the pre album tour. I don't know if I'd induct them as a group, but I think the album, and definitly the song Layla deserves some sort of recognition. It might have been the best of Claptons hard rock/ blues rock stuff.

One more thing here, when Clapton first put the band tohether, the were called Eric Clapton and Friends, one story has it that the promoter didn't want o introduce another "and Friends" band, and on the spur of the moment, they came up with Del and the Dynamos, Del being a nick name for Clapton. The promoter screwwd up and said derk and the Dominos and it stuck. So, if not for that screw up, and a dearth of "And Friend' bands at the time, Layla would have been just a great Eric Clapton album, and he's in.

I had heard Gordon was doing time...then again, is he even still alive?
As for the rest of the band-
Allman, Radle, Whitlock are deceased, right?

Bobby Whitlock is alive and well and living in Austin, Texas; at least he was a few months ago when I saw him play the Saxon Pub.

...Didn't Jim Keltner play on those records too?...
No . . .

...Wasn't there a band where Gordon and Keltner played together?
...Anyone know if Gordon and Keltner played together?
Joe Cocker's tour and double LP "Mad Dogs and Englishmen"

IIRC it was around 1970

I love Derek & The Dominos but no, in the grand scheme of things I don't believe they've contributed enough to R&R to warrant inclusion.