LMBO...3 Posts in 2 threads, and the Forum has been up for over a year?? Dang I need to be the moderator here...maybe I can do something right:D

Quality takes more time. You can find more posts by setting the search function to a greater number of days.

Originally posted by hunter585
LMBO...3 Posts in 2 threads, and the Forum has been up for over a year?? Dang I need to be the moderator here...maybe I can do something right:D

That's kinda funny since, according to your profile, you don't even play the realbass. In case you didn't realize the difference, this is the Rosin forum, not the Resin forum. You don't scrape rosin from a bowl and you can't smoke it. Sorry to disappoint you.

Not to ruffle feathers, but David, Ed, don't you think those replies are a little harsh. I mean, Hunter did have smilies throughout his emails. I don't think he meant anything offensive or rude. Bassdude had a very polite response. Let's not knock on Hunter just for trying to initiate conversation.

Okay, point taken. But does one have to ask a serious question to get a nice answer. I'm not saying you were really mean, or anything like that, but you said that if you ask a serious question, you'll get a serious answer. Okay, I agree. But does that mean that if you ask a facetious question, you'll get a rude answer?

This might be a good time to mention that I don't know what Rosin is. :confused: :)

Originally posted by jazzbo


This might be a good time to mention that I don't know what Rosin is. :confused: :)

Wayull, rosins this kinda sticky stuff see. An yew rub yer bow onit. Yew know yer bow's that skinny stick sorta thing whats got some hare onit? When yew rub the hare part of yer bow back an' forth on the strings, by golly, it makes them strings start vibratin 'n singin 'n screechin. Yew never heard such dad gum noise in all yer born days. Sum times it's even purty. I hear tell that summa those monkey suit wearin' boys what play in those simfony orkestrers use that rosin almost alla tha time. I dew know that yer better fiddle players use it. One 'a them tole me onest that if yew fergit to rosin up yer bow it won't work worth a plugged nickel. Hope 'is halps. ;)

What's a string?

I'm not too picky about rosin, I guess (I don't play classical). I can't even remember what brand I bought the first time...Hilderstine?

I now use Pops because it's cheap, works OK for me, and comes in a plastic container so if it gets runny during the summer I don't have rosin all inside my bass bag.

Since Pops appears to make ONLY bass rosin, they must be one heck of a tiny company!

LMPRAO (The PR stands for Puerto-Rican).

But really, what exactly does Rosin do? What is it, an oil?

Ohhhhhh!! Thank you.

Originally posted by brianrost

Since Pops appears to make ONLY bass rosin, they must be one heck of a tiny company!



I use Pops too. I don't know much about the company but it has to be small. When I started out on bass I ordered some Pops from Hammond-Ashley in Seattle and cracked up when I got it and noted that it is made in Houston where I live.

Arto, thanks, I'll check that out.

Knowing what Rosin is now, isn't it odd there's an entire forum devoted to it? Isn't that like devoting a forum in BG to picks or straps?

Not surprised that rosin caused a bit of friction--that's its job, right? Har har...

I use Kolstein all weather. Didn't know it was made from tree sap; thanks, Ed.
I use tree sap on my pancakes, too.

Always thought the reason there wasn't a lot of traffic down here was that the DB'ers were all out gigging.

Hey guys I'm real sorry to upset you. I didn't mean for my post to offend anyone....I was simply saying that there isn't a whole lot of activity down here. I'm extremely sorry that I offended anyone.:(

May I ask what exactly is a Rosin? Or a Double Bass for that matter.

Carlsson or Nyman (same thing in a different package) is the only rosin I'll use. It is very important for me to get a very good grip so I can back off and let the bow and the bass do all the work. If Carlsson ever disappears, I'll be at a real loss as to what else to use since I don't find any other rosin to have anywhere near the same grip.

Originally posted by jazzbo
Not to ruffle feathers, but David, Ed, don't you think those replies are a little harsh.

No - these are some of the funniest posts I've read for weeks! I missed this thread at the time, but helpfully Hunter pointed us to this in the "unreal" bass section. I am very grateful for the entertainment - Ed always makes me laugh but never more so than in this thread! Thanks again.

Originally posted by koi
May I ask what exactly is a Rosin? Or a Double Bass for that matter.

Double bass is the REAL bass(cough-cough).
Electric bass = the "gadget" bass.

...geez-us!

A real bass is a fish.

What's a string? - Gotta ask that in the string forum.

Hunter - Don't worry, everybody is a 15 year old at some point.

[Edited by Erick Lam on 01-04-2001 at 06:27 AM]

Hey Jim jw but then what would the Ashbory Bass be considered? Micro bass? 18in fretless scale, sounds more like an upright than about any other fretless bass out there except for the big one or URB. Thats all not tryin to get deleted.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
I missed this thread at the time, but helpfully Hunter pointed us to this in the "unreal" bass section.


Sorry - of course I should have said "Gadget Bass" forum! ;)

I think it's weird that anybody using this forum must have access to the internet, so why don't they just put simple questions in a search engine, rather than putting a question in "public" that makes them look foolish?

We have this amazing resource for information-gathering at our fingertips and people still seem reluctant to use it and would rather ask questions of an individual.

If I was going along to a public forum which had subject matter with which I was unfamiliar, then I would put "keywords" like Rosin (just as an example) in a search engine or something like "Ask Jeeves" to find out more about it, rather than look stupid and ask dumb questions. Why not do this - the only reason I can come up with is laziness or that the poster wants to be humiliated - either reason is going to lead to exasperated reactions IMO.

Originally posted by koi
May I ask what exactly is a Rosin? Or a Double Bass for that matter.

Rosin - look in the earlier part of this thread for the answer.

Double Bass - upright, acoustic, bass fiddle, bull fiddle, doghouse, standup. That big boxy thing that jazz cats and orchestra musicians play. Called "double" bass because the notes played from a bass score actually sound an octave below where they are written.

...now I thought my gadget basses also sounded one octave below what is written.
Enlighten me, my acoustic brethren: Is there a schism of sorts between guys who play a DOUBLE(ie full-size)vs. those who play a mere 3/4? :)

FenderJazzCam-
...I hope you realize I was bein' sarcastic. In fact, if I remember, I'll dig out an old '70s GUITAR PLAYER mag & type out what Chuck Rainey said about guys sayin' he wasn't playin' the "real bass". Fact o' the matter, Rainey even made reference that he'd play a "2-foot bass" if someone ever invented one(there's your Ashbory bass!). :D
Later...

BTW news of this thread has spread to activebass.com. They think we have ill-used young master Hunter. Hey, don't take it too hard, Ed can get a little riled up now and again. You must admit this is one of the more amusing threads we've had in a while.

Originally posted by JimK
...now I thought my gadget basses also sounded one octave below what is written.
Enlighten me, my acoustic brethren: Is there a schism of sorts between guys who play a DOUBLE(ie full-size)vs. those who play a mere 3/4? :)


The term double bass has been around a long time. When Leo Fender invented the electric he tuned it the same so yes your "gadget" basses sound an octave below what is written. (IMHO instruments are all just tools to make music - my favorite tool just happens to be the double bass)

Double is not synonymous with "full size" or 4/4th. No schism - 4/4th sizes are rare - 3/4th is the standard size.

This of course has nothing at all to do with rosin. We'll have a moderator in here scolding us soon.

Originally posted by hunter585
Hey guys I'm real sorry to upset you. I didn't mean for my post to offend anyone....I was simply saying that there isn't a whole lot of activity down here. I'm extremely sorry that I offended anyone.:(

1. I don't anyone was offended.

2. I don't think anyone was hard on you.

3. As already mentioned, doublebass = realbass

4. Fender bass = electric bass = gagdet bass = (my preference) the toy bass.

5. A good snort of rosin powder never hurt nobody. Maybe
that can be smoked, but you'll need a blowtorch to light it.

Originally posted by JimK
Originally posted by koi
May I ask what exactly is a Rosin? Or a Double Bass for that matter.

Double bass is the REAL bass(cough-cough).
Electric bass = the "gadget" bass.

...geez-us!

You mean the Stand Up Bass? Like Jazz Bands have? Still what is a Rosin though.

Originally posted by koi
[QUOTE][i]
You mean the Stand Up Bass? Like Jazz Bands have? Still what is a Rosin though.

Yes, like Jazz Bands have. Koi - have you read the whole thread? Go to page one of this thread. Read post #8 from me and #14 from Ed Fuqua. There are also dictionaries available online.

Originally posted by rablack
Originally posted by koi
[QUOTE][i]
You mean the Stand Up Bass? Like Jazz Bands have? Still what is a Rosin though.

Yes, like Jazz Bands have. Koi - have you read the whole thread? Go to page one of this thread. Read post #8 from me and #14 from Ed Fuqua. There are also dictionaries available online.

Yeah and no one gave a straight answer. I don't really care enough to go searching the internet for it either.

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
I think it's weird that anybody using this forum must have access to the internet, so why don't they just put simple questions in a search engine, rather than putting a question in "public" that makes them look foolish?

Are the posts in this thread purely comical? Is everyone just being light-hearted and humorous? Honestly, because I can't tell the tone of these comments. It's very possible for someone to read these comments, and think that there is a very snobbish attitude from those musicians that play double bass, against those musicians that play electric bass guitar. Okay, maybe everyone is joking, and that's great, and I apologize for misconstruing people's comments, but if not, I pray that double-bassists are not falling victim to musical snobbery.

Also, Bruce, are you saying that we shouldn't ask questions in public because it will make us look foolish?!?!?!?!? Honestly, think about that for a second. First, that's a wonderful feature of this website, that different musicians can get together and talk to one another, possible sharing their experience and knowledge. Second, I asked what Rosin is because I didn't know. I consider these threads to be like conversations. If I was in the middle of a conversation with someone face to face, and they mentioned something that I didn't know, I wouldn't ask to excuse myself and then grab a dictionary, I would ask them. Also, I appreciate the helpful answers from everyone who was gracious enough to patrionize my foolishness. As I am not omnipotent, I shall never fear asking questions. Tis a wiser man that asks.

Koi - Those were straight answers although mine was phrased in a rather silly manner.

In the interest of dispelling any hint that I wasn't trying to be helpful I submit for your edification the following definition from the American Heritage Dictionary:

ROSIN

SYLLABICATION: ros·in

NOUN : A translucent yellowish to dark brown resin derived from the stumps or sap of various pine trees and used to increase sliding friction, as on the bows of certain stringed instruments, and to manufacture a wide variety of products including varnishes, inks, linoleum, adhesives, and soldering compounds.

TRANSITIVE VERB : Inflected forms: —ined, —in·ing, —ins
To coat or rub with rosin.

ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, variant of resin.

If you don't know what a bow is think about the way a violinist plays the violin. Standup basses are often played using a bow constructed in the same manner - a thin "stick" strung with hair from a horse's tail. Smoothly moving the bow perpendicular to the string so that the hair rubs the string causes the string to vibrate. Rosin assists in this process. Just don't ask me to tuck my bass under my chin. ;)

Originally posted by koi
You mean the Stand Up Bass? Like Jazz Bands have? Still what is a Rosin though. [/B]

1. Stand-up bass, as in upright bass, as opposed to Cro-Magnonbass or primatebass. Or, doublebass, as in twice the bass you cats with toybasses play.

Originally posted by arto alho
and all this time I kept myself from reading the posts in the "Strings" section because I thought they are handling those things my wife is wearing as her underwear...


You wanna start a thread? That'll increase traffic for sure.

Wow! This forum is, after almost a year of total silence, rapidly developing into a new cyberspace version of Monty Python's Department for Abuse!


(Please don't kill me! I'm 38 and I play double bass, I swear!)

Erik

[Edited by erik II on 01-04-2001 at 05:25 PM]

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
I gotta concur wit CRACKHOUSEKEY. Upset, I was amused as all Hell. I just don't understand why HUNTERFORTHERIGHTKEY is all "gee, I wuz jest trine to see whut alla fuss wuz" and "I dunno why everbody got so upset".
As far as being a stupid teenager, well like I said, I really didn't know that when I posted. My point was, why should you be laughing your butt off (LMBO)at the difference in activity between a thread on ROSIN and one on HAVE YOU NAMED YOUR STRAP? Not to mention being disengenuous enough to post an abject apology here, then go to another thread and complain about the way you were treated.
Yes, it IS deep at this end of pool.

Mr. EDIMBITTERABOUTSOMETHING -

What exactly is wrong about inciting conversation? And I don't know what you're talking about by the "Have you named your strap" thing....I realize that its sarcasm, but it's unwarranted sarcasm. Maybe you haven't read some of my other posts....I'm not real experienced at bass yet (and meeting BASSISTS like you dern sure doesn't fuel my passion any), so I have a lot of questions to ask, and I ask them.
I post a lot in off topic, but no more than anyone else! I knew NOTHING about rosin (cept that it was made from tree sap, didn't know what it did though) before I came down here....I simply saw the forum and was making a light-hearted joke about the amount of posting!

And it's not JUST this thread that I "complained about" in off topic. It's many, many others like it.

The bass is between your ears what machine you use to produce it dosn't matter. One of the uses for rosin is to seize the hair of the bow into a clump before inserting it into the frog or the tip of the bow. It is also good for making monster caluses if you don't clean it off before playing pizz gigs. So if you put it on the Ibenez you could get those Sheahan or Eintwisle fingers with a lot less practice. I'm old enough to know those teenagers can become the next bass god before I can learn 10 new tunes.

Originally posted by JimK

FenderJazzCam-
...I hope you realize I was bein' sarcastic. In fact, if I remember, I'll dig out an old '70s GUITAR PLAYER mag & type out what Chuck Rainey said about guys sayin' he wasn't playin' the "real bass". Fact o' the matter, Rainey even made reference that he'd play a "2-foot bass" if someone ever invented one(there's your Ashbory bass!). :D
Later...

Yep-2 main reasons for asking actually wondering what people called the ashbory. & the second one just wanted to get people to talk some more. I think my ashbory total length is around 2 1/2 ft. the scale is tiny.

Thats all

geez this must be the wrong side of the tracks that my parents warned me about.

there has been a couple of questions that have come up on the BG side of the tracks but maybe they should have been asked to you guys. after all you play the Bass that gave the idea to others to create the Bass Guitar. Truly players of the foundation instrument.

well the questions are:
do black bass players play better Double Bass than white players? And are all female Double Bass players sexy?

I guess I agree with what JAZZBO was saying. It all started light hearted and then some comments were said that happened to be rude and alittle mean.

And about the -do some checking on the internet before asking dumb questions thing-. Last time i checked, when I log onto TalkBass Im on the Internet. This Forum(Talkbass) has to be one of the best places for info on bass and music out there, If I have any questions on theory, music, basses etc. Im going to ask it here. Because this is one of the best sources of info around.

"Asking dumb questions"-isn't that the whole point of this bass forum? To find information? Lighten up a bit, jeez! Playin' that doghouse really riles you guys up, don't it?

Originally posted by koi
I don't really care enough to go searching the internet for it either.

I think this is the crux of the whole matter and what I was getting at - IT SHOWS! If people don't really care and can't be bothered to do any research of their own, why should more experienced members of the forum take their own time to "spoon feed" others?

My view is that you get out of life (bass playing included in this!) what you put in and if you "don't really care enough" then you don't deserve to get anything out of it!

This may seem like a harsh view, but this is what "real life" is like. I wouldn't want anybody in a band with me who had to be "babied" all the time ...oh what's that symbol on the chart mean? You expect everybody to pull their own weight and practice and research their own part.

I think this thread while getting way off topic demonstrates the difference between people who take music seriously and those who aren't prepared to put much effort in but want immediate results.

This is in fact one of the striking differences between double bass and electric (as we seeem to be discussing tyhis as well!) - the former requires a lot of effort and dedication to get anywhere at all, whereas - to get a lot out of electric you have to do the same eventually, but anybody can pick it up and get something out of it instantly. It therefore attracts a lot of "casual" players, but I think that to get anything worthwhile out of any instrument you have to be prepared to do a lot of work on your own and put a lot in.

I am always happy to help people who help themselves and look as if they are "trying" , but those who just want everything handed to them and say things like "Give me Tabs now" or the equivalent just become an irritation and you know that you're wasting your time as they aren't really taking this seriously.

Bruce-so your point is you want people to take the double bass a little more seriously? Don't you have any newbies to the DB who post questions that you might consider a waste of your time to answer? Nevertheless their query was asked in hopes of getting some information from the more experienced players on the board, not to be treated as if they are bothering you. Don't you feel that with a helpful nudge in the right direction, i.e. giving them the info they seek, or referring them to a website, book, etc., you're helping them, not babying them? As I said before, isn't that the whole point of this website, to share information? It just seems like a bit of a snobby attitude towards the inexperienced greenhorn tackling the DB. I give you all due respect as a player, even though I've never heard you, and I would expect the same in return. My only experience with the DB was in high school, I have to say those of you who choose to play DB are a dedicated bunch, I admire your devotion to your chosen instrument. It's not an easy task to play it, carry it, but if you love it, you overlook all the down side of it. Someone who plays for fun, who whips a $150.00 bass out with stickers all over it who plays along with Limp Biskit CD's for fun in their bedroom can't understand the discipline you must have to play the DB (or electric bass for that matter). So I understand some of the attitude that's coming across. The original poster was just having a bit of a laugh at your expense, you got to admit, nobody posts to the Rosin board much, it was taken far too seriously. Take my post here in the spirit in which it was written, I am in much admiration to anyone who can make the DB sing.

Pleeeease somebody make it stop. Some valid points have been made on all sides. We can all just agree to get along or agree to disagree or whatever but have mercy folks. Just say no to that "post reply" button. Haven't we squeezed all the juice out of this one by now?

Don't worry Ned Fuqwad, not too many people will be poking their heads here again for a very long time, your kingdom is secure. You're a real clever guy, hope your playing reflects that as well.

Originally posted by arto alho
PUFFGRUBBY: In fact I envy more the cello players. Cello is fundamentally the instrument whose notes the Double Bass was invented to double....so machine basses are really the third generation....and still we use the same clef.

Arto, I'm afraid you're the victim of misinformation. Violoncello literally means little bass. The double in doublebass refers to the register in which the instrument sounds. There was a couple of centuries of music before composers stopped writing separate parts for the two instruments. And in the Baroque orchestra the doublebass
actual led the entire ensemble.

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
Andrew, does that count as stopping? I got an itchy POST REPLY finger...

Sorry Ed had to tear myself away from all this fun to actually do some work. Usually they pay me surf the web and contribute to flame threads.

Originally posted by jazzbass1
Don't worry Ned Fuqwad, not too many people will be poking their heads here again for a very long time, your kingdom is secure. You're a real clever guy, hope your playing reflects that as well.

Ooooh I guess he called you a naughty name. At this point though firing off a reply wouldn't accomplish much. Two days of running street battles might be enough. JAZZBASS1 seems to think that folks won't come poking around here in the Rosin section any more anyway.

Now that I think about it, the first time I ever picked up a cake of rosin I knew somehow there was something sinister about it. We need to have a warning posted: BEWARE THE DREADED ROSIN FORUM, TREAD LIGHTLY LEST YOU WAKE THE LONG SILENT DRAGON(S) WITHIN FOR GREAT IS ITS WRATH, MIGHTY ITS ANGER, A SWORD OF PERNAMBUCO (or maybe even fiberglass/composite) BRING OR ELSE FACE THE ETERNAL FLAMES.

Thus spake the Sun God RA

I am so proud. Only the second DB thread in living memory to go to four pages (and in the rosin section no less). And it was my little 'ol missive that did it. Wait 'til I tell my kids.;)

Pirastro was watching Kolstein's three all weather Petz you know kolstein he is either hard or soft. When along came the three Tomastik's and the three Hidersine's, when Nyman and Carlsson came up talking Swedish. They were either talking about Pop's sticky situation with Bernadel or Annette Funacello. And with that I'm going to bow out.

[Edited by bassdude on 01-05-2001 at 08:29 PM]

Originally posted by David Kaczorowski
Originally posted by koi
You mean the Stand Up Bass? Like Jazz Bands have? Still what is a Rosin though.

1. Stand-up bass, as in upright bass, as opposed to Cro-Magnonbass or primatebass. Or, doublebass, as in twice the bass you cats with toybasses play.

[/B]

What is this bitterness you all have towards people with Electric Basses? You act like its the ****ing '30s and were Black or something.

Originally posted by koi
What is this bitterness you all have towards people with Electric Basses? You act like its the ****ing '30s and were Black or something. [/B]

Forget it, son, you missed it. Maybe in a few years you can be in on the joke too.

Sorry to be coming in on this so late, but does this thread remind anybody else of that old SNL sketch about the store that only sells scotch tape? Not much happened there either, but it sure was funny as hell to think about.

And when you think about it, I think it would be way scarier if the ROSIN topic had 17349 threads going, containing 56893748759872 replies than it was with 2 threads. I mean, c'mon, what are you supposed to SAY, for christ's sake?

"I like Pops. Do you like Pops?"

"Sometimes...but it's kinda gritty in the summertime."

"Yeah, you're right."

"What's that Danish stuff called?"

"I cain't never remember. That's why I use Pops."

"Ayuh..."


If there were more than 10 or 15 such threads, I'd start getting worried.

Yeah, I read it. And I was laughing so hard, my wife wanted to know what was up, so she read it too, and so there we were - amidst much chortling, guffawing, and slapping of knees - getting in some quality bonding time while reading a very heated conversation whose topic was supposed to be about double bass rosin, but somehow wasn't. Then we stumbled into the off-topic forum flame war between YOSEMITE FU and PKR2LIERTHANTHOU and ended up falling on the floor and holding our ribs from laughing too hard. It was a beautiful moment...

The point of my last post (if it had one) was simply that the whole scenario is so bizarre that it's funny even before anything happens. The Rosin topic is so incredibly esoteric, such an obviously low volume topic, and then to have somebody come in and say "don't be so talkative winkwinknudgenudge" is just ridiculous in the same way as that old SNL sketch: when you walk into a store that only sells Scotch tape, you'd better be there for scotch tape, or things are bound to get really weird really fast. Which they did....

Well, I just thought I'd put something in here to see if we can get this thing into a record-breaking fifth page.
"...You're a real clever guy. Hope your playing reflects that as well." Comparing the profiles, I suspect it does. Someone who calls himself Jazzbass should recognize those names.
Does anyone know why every music store seems to carry only Petz, one of the worst rosins made?
And what is it with Pops? Is this something made by Louis Armstrong? Then why is it made in Houston, instead of New Orleans?
Just asking.

Has anyone ever tried Bad Moon Rosin?
I understand it was inspired by the CCR song.

Originally posted by jazzbass1
Don't worry Ned Fuqwad, not too many people will be poking their heads here again for a very long time, your kingdom is secure. You're a real clever guy, hope your playing reflects that as well.

jazzbass19 3/8,

Just to set the record straight about Mr. Fuqwad's playing, I've heard it, and it does. And as far as sarcastic remarks about cleverness go, I'll bet Mr. Ed first heard the term "FUQWAD" directed at his person in about the 2nd grade, so you're in some real lofty company there...:rolleyes:

[Edited by Chris Fitzgerald on 01-07-2001 at 11:38 AM]

Originally posted by Don Higdon
Does anyone know why every music store seems to carry only Petz, one of the worst rosins made?

Well it does have that cool sticker with the bass playin' bear on the lid. I have two cakes of Petz layin' around from ages ago because I like the bear.

The burning question is what does the maker of Pop's do for a living?

I live in Houston and have been wanting to take a little spare time (right) to find out about the company. "Pops" the name doesn't have anything to do with Louie Armstrong or Pops Foster. It was apparently developed by a bass player named Len (Pops) Manno. My only evidence is a thread from 2xbasslist about trunks which contained the following factoid from a Lynn Daniel who bought a trunk from his widow - "I have a trunk that Len(Pops)Manno (the rosin guy)had made that is a great conversation piece." One of these days I'll contact the folks there and direct them to this informative rosin thread.

I don't know about Pops, but Petz has a website...

http://www.web-werbung.com/petz/eng/web2eng.html

They even show the pic of the bear

i knew i couldn't be gone for a couple of days without SOMEBODY wandering over here :D

now, seems like there's a whole herd of em over here. :rolleyes: who let the dogs in? :D

okay, all you "gadget" bass kids - line up, single file, the tour of the old folks home, i mean double bass section is concluding. souvenirs and postcards will be available in the giftshop on the way out. please be quiet, the "acoustic" players are trying to tune, which is hard enough for em on the best of days. :D

damn, i didn't read this whole thread before i replied last time. this is funny!

i need that firehouse, ed, gonna spray the lot o'ya.
:D

hint for people who think that somebody is mad at them :

these double bass guys don't see too much action, they tend to get a bit feisty. don't take it too seriously. humor them.

Originally posted by jazzbass1
Bruce-so your point is you want people to take the double bass a little more seriously? Don't you have any newbies to the DB who post questions that you might consider a waste of your time to answer? Nevertheless their query was asked in hopes of getting some information from the more experienced players on the board, not to be treated as if they are bothering you. Don't you feel that with a helpful nudge in the right direction, i.e. giving them the info they seek, or referring them to a website, book, etc., you're helping them, not babying them? As I said before, isn't that the whole point of this website, to share information? It just seems like a bit of a snobby attitude towards the inexperienced greenhorn tackling the DB. I give you all due respect as a player, even though I've never heard you, and I would expect the same in return. My only experience with the DB was in high school, I have to say those of you who choose to play DB are a dedicated bunch, I admire your devotion to your chosen instrument. It's not an easy task to play it, carry it, but if you love it, you overlook all the down side of it. Someone who plays for fun, who whips a $150.00 bass out with stickers all over it who plays along with Limp Biskit CD's for fun in their bedroom can't understand the discipline you must have to play the DB (or electric bass for that matter). So I understand some of the attitude that's coming across. The original poster was just having a bit of a laugh at your expense, you got to admit, nobody posts to the Rosin board much, it was taken far too seriously. Take my post here in the spirit in which it was written, I am in much admiration to anyone who can make the DB sing.

I must say this is a case of missing the point big-time and twice! ;)

I don't play Double Bass - never have done. Secondly I was not saying that people should take the DB more seriously. My point was that if people say things like "I don't really care enough to go searching the internet for it either" - it then becomes obvious that they aren't really interested in getting a reply or helping themselves, but rather in stirring up trouble or just being irritating.

This attitude appear a whole lot in the electric side where there are endless demands for "spoon-feeding" of information that could easily be found with a little bit of work on the poster's part - like they could use the search facility on this site or just use a standard search engine. But they "can't be bothered" .

My point was that if they took finding out about music/playing etc. a bit more seriously, then others might be more inclined to provide helpful answers rather than sarcasm.

Now if a newbie had come along to this forum and said - I have seen in books and tuition sites on the internet that Rosin can be useful when playing DB with a bow. I have tried to find out the characteristics of the different types, but would appreciate what you think would be best for a beginner who plays xxxxxx etc. Now I don't believe a post like this would get any sarcasm, but would rather get several helpful replies and encouragement.

That was my point!

Originally posted by john turner
damn, i didn't read this whole thread before i replied last time. this is funny!



Yeah the first page or so was very funny, but then it just got a bit irritating and seemed to be more about "bashing" the regular DB contributors - which is just not on to me and as Ed said is rather like kids hitting a hornet's nest and then complaining when they get stung. Not that I see the DB'ers as a nest of hornets - maybe it would be more appropriate to liken it to some kids poking and pulling on their family's favourite old labrador, while he's trying to sleep and then running to their mother when he wakes up and barks loudly!

In trying to push this to page "5". I have to tell you, Bruce, I do like the hornet's nest analogy.

As one of those who tries to share my limited knowledge but long experience, let me say that there's no requirement that a newbie search the internet before asking a question. I've gone that route, and it's frustrating.
What happens, right or wrong, is that the DB's do a quick read on the questioner's attitude, and respond in kind. Every one of us started out the same way: enthusiastic and ignorant. Naivete is rarely the reason for a crusty reply; what is, every time, is a "quick score" attitude towards learning the beast, er, instrument, a taking for granted that this thing can be learned as quickly as a BG.
There are other factors; I'm just posting a perspective in contrast to Bruce's.
Any BG person with genuine interest in DB is welcome to post anywhere.

Originally posted by Don Higdon


What happens, right or wrong, is that the DB's do a quick read on the questioner's attitude, and respond in kind. Every one of us started out the same way: enthusiastic and ignorant. Naivete is rarely the reason for a crusty reply; what is, every time, is a "quick score" attitude towards learning the beast, er, instrument, a taking for granted that this thing can be learned as quickly as a BG.
There are other factors; I'm just posting a perspective in contrast to Bruce's.


I do agree with you actually Don - but I think that the amount of prior research a person does, is indicative of how much effort they are likely to put into playing their instrument and to me is part of the way that you can "measure" someone's seriousness about putting in the effort required to be a good player.

As you say I don't think it should be "mandatory" in any way, but I think that subconsciously it is part of the way we all judge another paerson's attitude as serious or not. If people appear to be willing to help themselves we are more likely to be sympathetic and look favourably on them - the less they are prepared to put into any task they undertake, the less we are inclined to believe that they are really interested in "staying the course".

Anyway - what's so hard about putting a few keywords in a search engine? If this is too much for you, how are you going to cope with a dailt practice regime?

It sometimes makes me laugh at work when surveys and articles say that young people will push older people out of jobs becuase of their increased familarity with new technology. Whereas in practice, I find that a lot of the time I am showing younger new entrants how to use the internet or simple packages like PowerPoint - even though this isn't part of my job!

In fact I seem to find that the younger these people are, the fewer are the genuinely useful skills that they possess! They may well be able to beat me at the latest Play Station game, but they have no idea how to get something useful out of a search engine, don't know where to start on putting a presentation together and have virtually no written communication skills. In fact the only thing they seem to have in abundance is naive enthusiasm and optimism about how well they will do! ;)

Out of all five pages of reading, the only byte of information that caught me was when Ed said that you should only rosin with downbows. what is the reason for this? does it really matter.

Res ipsa loquitor.

Originally posted by Don Higdon
Res ipsa loquitor. I have tried but I give up. What does this mean? Does it mean that applying the rosin in one direction lifts the bow hair fibres?

:)

res ipsa loquitur - Latin - "it (or, 'the thing') speaks for itself"

Thanks Rablack - I thought it could be something like that when I looked up the separate words. One more for the latin-quotes collection.

My "translation" was just a suggestion for an answer to jonn's question.

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
Naw. It's tree sap. And sticky, not smooth.
The horse hair in the bow is serrated and has some "tooth" that will grip the string (in order to start it vibrating), but an application of rosin (down bow only, please) will aid the process. You can easily over rosin yer bow and get horrid sounds too.

POP'S is a little TOO sticky for me, I'm using a dark Danish rosin whose name I can't be bothered to remember.
hmm this is the post..... I just wanted to know what difference it makes

Originally posted by koi




What is this bitterness you all have towards people with Electric Basses? You act like its the ****ing '30s and we're Black or something.


I thought it was the '30's and you mean to tell me i am not black? :confused:

I better go reassess this with my homies..

:D:D

Merls

*puts on a catchers mask and pokes his head in the door*

Ahhh...memories. Some fond, some not so fond.

*turns and runs, screaming gleefully*

:D

Originally posted by hunter585
*puts on a catchers mask and pokes his head in the door*

Ahhh...memories. Some fond, some not so fond.

*turns and runs, screaming gleefully*

:D

Ahhh memories.
The thread that made you a household name.
;)

Originally posted by gruffpuppy


Ahhh memories.
The thread that made you a household name.
;)

Actually, due to FUQHORN EDHORN'S burst of creative energy during that time, it made him various and sundry household names. :D

Gosh - you guys had me all excited when I saw new posts to the Rosin forum. Now I'm going to be depressed for the lack of stimulating discourse on rosin.

I play the bass but I also ski. Have any of you tried applying rosin under the middle of you skis to get a better grip when going uphill? And if so, which type is the best for this?

Tanx.

Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald


Actually, due to FUQHORN EDHORN'S burst of creative energy during that time, it made him various and sundry household names. :D

*runs into another room and grabs dictionary, searching madly*

sundry....sundry.......




Is that an insult:confused::p:D

Originally posted by hunter585


*runs into another room and grabs dictionary, searching madly*

sundry....sundry.......

Let me save you the hassle . . . it's how they make raisins. ;):D

Originally posted by Deeter


Let me save you the hassle . . . it's how they make raisins. ;):D

Sundry:

I always thought that was how they made those shriveled up tomatoes. :confused:

Originally posted by erik II
I play the bass but I also ski. Have any of you tried applying rosin under the middle of you skis to get a better grip when going uphill? And if so, which type is the best for this?

Petz. It's great when you need a heavy workout and you don't want to pay for lift tickets.

See you on the slopes.

Originally posted by Christopher


Petz. It's great when you need a heavy workout and you don't want to pay for lift tickets.

See you on the slopes.

But what happens when you want to go downhill?

Just turn the ski`s over,stupid.

I wanted to go to bed at a decent hour and for some reason I found this thread and got hooked. Damn. Oh wow, one more post seems like it will make this thread span a whole year! Someone should do it.

Ah, the ever returning can of worms thread.
It will probally be here next year.
There is a Rickenbaker thread on the BG side that will also never die.

BUMP

Poor Ty. MB, you are a bad, bad man.

:D

Originally posted by Don Higdon
Any BG person with genuine interest in DB is welcome to post anywhere.

ok that being said... what exactly is the difference between bass rosin and cello rosin (or any)?

What about the hair... is there bass horse hair and viola horse hair?
Maybe bass strings are thicker so as the instruments get bigger the hair/rosin get stickier?

i'm a physics major, nerd stuff intrigues me.

I agree with hunter and jazzbo. People are too sensitive(especially on internet message boards) these days. No reason to get offended at all, and in that light, it was very humorous what was said by the offended posters.
Life should be an episode of Seseme street, not "All my children".:)

Well I just read the whole damn thread. Apparently most of the funny stuff has been edited out:confused:

This thread has nominated to be honored in the Lobby
'Talkbass Hall of Fame' thread, and after reading it,
I completely concur.

incredible.

Well, the rosin has to be 'melted' on to the string. You need to build up friction. Bass rosin isn't powdery like violin/viola/cello/ski rosin. Quick, whole-bow downbow strokes melt it on evenly.

That question was asked six years ago:)