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04-21-2009, 02:29 PM
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Hello,
Does anyone have any thoughts about this bass?
The label states "Johann Radeck Bürger", it is supposed to be Austrian. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37572284@N08
Any comments about the structural quality, guessed value, age, ... are welcome.
Any ideas why there is a horizontal seam on the back?
Thx in advance!
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04-21-2009, 02:35 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany | | | looks like a new hungarian/romanian to me
(have i seen it recently in german ebay?)
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04-21-2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Bass  Hello,
Does anyone have any thoughts about this bass?
The label states "Johann Radeck Bürger", it is supposed to be Austrian. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37572284@N08
Any comments about the structural quality, guessed value, age, ... are welcome.
Any ideas why there is a horizontal seam on the back?
Thx in advance! | The horizontal seam is quite typical of a flatback bass. I hope the luthiers weigh in but from what I can see, it looks like that seam has had some issues.
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04-21-2009, 03:26 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada | | | Yup, has a fair bit of what looks to be Hungarian flavour to it, but could be Austrian. Messy work is portable. Could be a really good copy of typical Hungarian work by a Chinese shop, with the way the Chinese can make an instrument to just about any standard and appearance these days. More important is condition and music-making potential. That corner repair is a bit weird, kind of looks Bondo-ish or epoxy putty or something else nasty. And the back kerf bend is scary looking, like it's been repaired twice before even making it out the shop door. At a guess, I'd say what probably happened is the guy cutting the groove (kerf) before making the upper back bend cut a bit too deep... or perhaps didn't wet and heat it enough before trying to bend it... or both. |
04-22-2009, 08:10 AM
| | | | Thanks for your comments.
@bassist14: How do you conclude that it's new? Any indications that the 'old' look is fake?
@drurb & GerardSamija: Would you care to explain to me why the seam could give potential problems?
Maybe a stupid question but this double bass thing is kinda new to me and it's so hard to recognize a good bass from a crappy one as a beginner.
My conclusion: If I read all of this, this is not a valuable instrument and the asking price of 3200$ is actually completly nuts. |
04-22-2009, 08:18 AM
| | Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut | | | If all were sound with this bass, then the asking price of $3200 might be quite fair. It may be fair as it is because it's difficult (for me, anyway) to really tell what work would be required. I defer to Gerard and other luthiers for that type of judgment. He and they would also be far more qualified than I to explain the risks associated with a bad flatback bend.
P.S. Where do you live, Bob?
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04-22-2009, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Bass Thanks for your comments.
@bassist14: How do you conclude that it's new? Any indications that the 'old' look is fake? | i play db for more then 25 years + i have seen and played many of these. so i stated my opinion. but my english is not fluent enough to explain here how to differntiate a fake from a real aged bass. sorry. Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Bass
My conclusion: If I read all of this, this is not a valuable instrument and the asking price of 3200$ is actually completly nuts.
| imho: no. if it sounds ok 2-3k is a usual price for basses like this
if you want to buy it: don´t buy it unseen. check it out with an experienced player
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04-22-2009, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by drurb
P.S. Where do you live, Bob?
| ok, if he has an "ü" ("Johann Radeck Bürger") in his keyboard... 
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04-22-2009, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bassist14 ok, if he has an "ü" ("Johann Radeck Bürger") in his keyboard... | Well, I can write Bürger and I don't have a "ü" on my keyboard. 
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04-22-2009, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by drurb Well, I can write Bürger and I don't have a "ü" on my keyboard. | ...thats why you are DR urb... 
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04-22-2009, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bassist14 ...thats why you are DR urb... | Maybe I should change it to drürb! 
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04-22-2009, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by drurb Maybe I should change it to drürb! | 
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04-22-2009, 08:50 AM
| | | @ Drurb (or Drürb for that mather... ) I live in Begium.
@ bassist14: sure, I would ask my bassteacher to go with me but I like to hear as much opinions/comments as possible. I know it's difficult to rate an instrument based just on a few photo's. |
04-22-2009, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Bass @ Drurb (or Drürb for that mather... ) I live in Begium. | if arnhem in nl is not to far away, you can look at j ürgen preyers shop, too: http://www.contrabassen.nl/
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04-22-2009, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Bass | he has more basses in the shop than on the homepage, + he is a nice guy, you could call him and tell him what you need
last time i was there he had several hungarian/romanian basses in the 3-5k€ range.
and they all looked better then the one in your first post.
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