Bass Pictures!

Rick Auvil · #1 06-27-2009, 06:46 PM

I never saw this many in one place! Some beautiful basses here:
vitoliuzzi.com

pickerpete · #2 06-27-2009, 07:08 PM

Fablulous site! Eye and ear candy galore!

tomshepp · #3 06-27-2009, 07:17 PM

That covers all the Basses!

Rick Auvil · #4 06-27-2009, 08:11 PM

The three-string gave me a kick! ...and that highly polished aluminum bass... damn - that was the first bass I've seen that was shinier than my Christopher!

Silversorcerer · #5 06-27-2009, 09:05 PM

That is the most basses in one place I have ever seen on the web. Jackpot, Paul. Way cool.

**Matthew Tucker** · #6 06-27-2009, 11:18 PM

I have a big issue that he's just copied and pasted from Ken Smith, Arnold, Upton, Pollman, World of Basses etc etc without giving them any attribution.

Likewise for the music, no attribution (thanks Edgar Meyer and others!) and the artists whose work he has effectively nicked.

Even the wikipedia pages, he's not linked to them but scanned them and put them on his own site as if they were his own.

Yeah, a wonderful private collection of material, and SO generous to share stuff that isn't his in the first place.
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C'mon Vito, how about putting a bit of credit where it's due?

Silversorcerer · #7 06-28-2009, 02:58 PM

Well, Matthew, what he has done is put it all in one place. And he seems to beg credit for nothing else. That's a lot of work. And I might have missed something, but I didn't see anything that indicated he was selling anything, and most of the music he has scores for are public domain. I don't see anything wrong with making and sharing a "personal" library. We probably all have a number of images on our machines or scores that we have downloaded that we could share without violating any laws.

I am reminded of the times that I referenced mathematical equations, special articles, etc. and was criticized because I was simply citing another's research and not personal experience. So what? It's information that wasn't previously brought to light. Probably why I'm rather scarce on bass forums these days.

Or maybe it's because I think the impending (pick one) energy, environment, or economic crisis is more important to focus on right now. Enjoy the drought.

**Matthew Tucker** · #8 06-28-2009, 04:15 PM

... and it would only be a little more work to give attribution to the artists, musicians and luthiers for whom displaying their wares online IS a marketing exercise, and in an economic crisis might be important.

Citing a work - giving an accurate attribution - is simply a matter of respect for the originator of the work, and there's no reason NOT to do it.

If you cite a work properly, you cannot be criticised for using it in your own work. This is schoolboy stuff.

Gary Lynch · #9 06-28-2009, 04:43 PM

It would probably be good to have a credit area at the bottom of the page out of respect.

But I sure like it!

Jake deVilliers · #10 06-28-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Tucker

... and it would only be a little more work to give attribution to the artists, musicians and luthiers for whom displaying their wares online IS a marketing exercise, and in an economic crisis might be important.

Siting (sic) a work - giving an accurate attribution - is simply a matter of respect for the originator of the work, and there's no reason NOT to do it.

If you cite a work properly, you cannot be criticised for using it in your own work. This is schoolboy stuff.

Nicely put Matthew. Its just good manners. Unfortunately manners, like common sense, have become thin on the ground.

**Matthew Tucker** · #11 06-29-2009, 12:53 AM

Without attribution, those pics do their owners or makers no good whatsoever.

Yes the pictures are gorgeous, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to say "Ah that's a Galliano" or "Wow look at Golia's basses I want one of those". Wouldn't you love to know more about these ones?

The one on the left is a Grancino, and the one on the right is made by Pollman. Both pictured on the Contrabass Shop website. So all he had to do was say THAT, and you'd have a wealth of information at yr fingertips.

So not only is he not thanking the authors or owners of the works, he is actually only making bass-shaped wallpaper, whereas he could have, with a tiny bit of effort, been offering something genuinely educational.

Hey what's that beautiful music in the background? No idea. Oh well. I would've liked to buy that CD...

**Matthew Tucker** · #12 06-29-2009, 01:41 AM

Until I did a search just now I didn't know where the original pic of the Grancino was. hence my point. Lucky for me, I knew it was the Grancino, and was able to google it and find the original. But i can't do that for every bass.

Who made this bass then?

fergus currie · #13 06-29-2009, 05:03 AM

Anyone who has seen photos of Franticek Posta knows what a Grancino looks like! Even a dummy like me. The other bass looks like a chinese copy of a Gilkes. I dont like the way the bell finishes of with a fat, level edge, but I've seen a Sam(?) Gilkes bass like this.

Vito is a gentle soul but just a bit too much into basses to control himself - shame he's gone since his links were very useful.

I like this name the bass game, can it continue without the macho BS?

can someone put up a Lott so I can post 'I know a Grancino about this Lott!' please?

FC

oscar pettiford · #14 06-29-2009, 05:04 AM

just a thought , i wonder how many people here spotted their own bass in Vito's site . ? . . . . just curious ?

Mathew , how would you have felt if your basses were in amongst them ?

personally , i love looking at basses on the net . I have a real fetish for French basses , and i am always searching the net looking for nice examples , i've got a pretty extensive collection of pics of them.
Ive kept my bass off the net so far , i don't know how i'd feel if it were on Vito's site .
I suppose , even though we own our instruments , the truth is , we are just their caretakers. In the long run , most of them will still be around when we are not .
Kind of different if you are the maker of the bass though , i suppose it would always feel like your own bass.
Just my thoughts on the matter , don't want to stir up any thing , so i hope i haven't made any one feel uncomfortable .
peace,
oscar

**Matthew Tucker** · #15 06-29-2009, 05:14 AM

If I saw my basses in there, firstly I'd be flattered, for sure, but if there was nothing that said it was made by me ... well ... I'd be disappointed, i guess. I'd be less flattered, because what would be the point? Its MY bass up there but nobody knows it but me ...

Vito has included the slideshow of Arnold's Montagnana, and whereas you could say "that's a well-known bass, everybody knows that one" ... that's not true. NOT everybody knows that one. I think every maker likes to have the work they are proud of, attributed. That's why we put a label inside!

fergus currie · #16 06-29-2009, 05:23 AM

Personally, I'm interested in who made which bass and it helps to know names because you can describe stuff in the style 'it looks like Derek High's early basses but it's got a lower shoulder like a Mirecourt' so the guy in the shop can help you in turn.
More makers should be branding the button and getting a show case stand in shops like David Gages so we dumb punters can tell the difference. Pollman, Rubner, Grunnert, Sam Shen, and others who brand the button and have an agressive marketing policy might not make the best basses in the world (or they might!) but they sure sell the most.
I'd love to hear one of Matthew's bases but where do I start looking?
Just some thoughts,
FC

Dr_Atomic · #17 06-29-2009, 05:54 AM

My basso is on this site - along with pretty much all of the basses that have been on the Kolstein site over the past year or so.

drurb · #18 06-29-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Tucker

Until I did a search just now I didn't know where the original pic of the Grancino was. hence my point. Lucky for me, I knew it was the Grancino, and was able to google it and find the original. But i can't do that for every bass.

Who made this bass then?

Here you go.

swingingoodtime · #19 06-29-2009, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fergus currie

Anyone who has seen photos of Franticek Posta knows what a Grancino looks like! Even a dummy like me. The other bass looks like a chinese copy of a Gilkes. I dont like the way the bell finishes of with a fat, level edge, but I've seen a Sam(?) Gilkes bass like this.

Vito is a gentle soul but just a bit too much into basses to control himself - shame he's gone since his links were very useful.
FC

This dummy is only just starting out in the wonderful world of DB's; at my early stages of learning, until I read this post, a Grancino might as well have been a type of cheese to me. So attributes are enormously helpful for newbies like me.

I applaud Vito for his passion, but also encourage him to attribute. Just my 0.002 (I'll earn my way up to 0.02)

Rick Auvil · #20 06-29-2009, 10:09 AM

I really didn't mean to start a copyright battle. I suppose Vito has a deep love and respect of the instrument and it's makers, otherwise why would he take the time to do this?

Maybe there SHOULD be a nice photo archive of all of these basses with all information pertaining to each attached! I'd love to see a site like that. Links to luthiers or manufacturers could be provided with a series of pictures of each if available. Of course time is the issue. Even a bit of historical background on the famous instruments would be nice! Vito took time to go this far so now maybe we should go a step further... hmmm?