Cordial discussion about DOGHOUSES (DB's), FUDGESICLES (EUB's) and PORK CHOPS (BG's)

Eric Rene Roy · #1 10-03-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KSB - Ken Smith

Maybe so, but I have some nice Basses in stock that were made b4 Electricity was invented; http://www.kensmithbasses.com/Double...ble_basses.htm

Oh, and that includes the Prescott I just bought. I also play Electric Bass every day in the shop but every gig I have taken in the last few years since I started playing out again has been on the Double Bass.

Gary and I were talking along these lines, and logic would have us ask when we are going to see a KSB EUB?

anonymous0726 · #2 10-03-2005, 12:10 PM

I thougth electricity was discovered rather than invented. Damned public school system. Time to loose those genuises.

KSB - Ken Smith · #3 10-03-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eroy

Gary and I were talking along these lines, and logic would have us ask when we are going to see a KSB EUB?

Never !!

KSB - Ken Smith · #4 10-03-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Parker

I thougth electricity was discovered rather than invented. Damned public school system. Time to loose those genuises.

They found light bulbs buried with the Dinos along with 10 and 12 gauge wire? Was is 110 or 220 current back then?

Eric Rene Roy · #5 10-03-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KSB - Ken Smith

Never !!

Really??? Seems like a logical step. Why no?

anonymous0726 · #6 10-03-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KSB - Ken Smith

They found light bulbs buried with the Dinos along with 10 and 12 gauge wire? Was is 110 or 220 current back then?

They didn't need bulbs or wire -- it was spitting out of the sky. Man did invent way to capture the stuff and use it, though. Like bulbs and wires. :Þ

KSB - Ken Smith · #7 10-03-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eroy

Really??? Seems like a logical step. Why no?

Why no? Because I see only 2 types of Basses in my world and the EUB is not one of them with the exception of the Ampeg Baby Bass in Latin Music. My Dodd, Gilkes, Batchelder and Martini all work fine with a Pickup as did my 18th century Italian Bass and they all sound and feel like a REAL Bass when played. That's why!!

anonymous0726 · #8 10-03-2005, 01:34 PM

Ken, you oughta get your hands on an Alter Ego when you can. You might lighten up about the EUB...

KSB - Ken Smith · #9 10-03-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Parker

Ken, you oughta get your hands on an Alter Ego when you can. You might lighten up about the EUB...

What's your point? I just don't like the way they feel! Is it ok to like or not like something and not have to mention the word 'ego'?

anonymous0726 · #10 10-03-2005, 02:02 PM

Naw, ego has nothing the do with the 'Ego.

These are great little instruments -- and feel like a real bass, if you don't look down and get vertigo. At volumes above where you can't hear the bass over the roar of the amp, the AE actually sound more like a bass than most basses...

hdiddy · #11 10-03-2005, 02:24 PM

Ken, this is what he's talking about: http://www.alter-ego.it/bass.html

Also, Bill Merchant's bass seems to be similar too. http://www.merchantbass.com/ It's supposed to be pretty good. And that Lamario guy has his version too.

anonymous0726 · #12 10-03-2005, 02:28 PM

The AE, with all the body pieces attached, balances and handles just like a fiddle, negating the need for a funny endpin. I haven't played Merchant's bass, but it gets good press amongst bassists.

KSB - Ken Smith · #13 10-03-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hdiddy

Ken, this is what he's talking about: http://www.alter-ego.it/bass.html

Also, Bill Merchant's bass seems to be similar too. http://www.merchantbass.com/ It's supposed to be pretty good. And that Lamario guy has his version too.

I play the Double Bass mainly in Orchestras and a few Jazz or other gigs. I prefer having a real Bass in my hands. After playing the types of Basses I have owned in my life, I find it difficult to play anything that doesn't shake my innerds.

Doug Ring · #14 10-04-2005, 08:50 AM

So i take it the camera idea doesn't even merit consideration?

hdiddy · #15 10-04-2005, 09:36 AM

I think we understand Ken, but we're also a little shocked at the fact that the builder of some of the world's best EB's would have such an aversion to an electrified version of his favorite instrument. Obviously, everybody is welcome to their opinions, but I just find it kinda ironic, that's all.

KSB - Ken Smith · #16 10-04-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hdiddy

I think we understand Ken, but we're also a little shocked at the fact that the builder of some of the world's best EB's would have such an aversion to an electrified version of his favorite instrument. Obviously, everybody is welcome to their opinions, but I just find it kinda ironic, that's all.

Before I respond, The Camera can't show is what we need to see with the Top actually removed...

Before I made Electric Basses I played Bass professionally. I had a beautiful 18th century Italian Bass. It was even up the E string from the Nut to the Bridge. It 'Sang'.. I wondered then, why aren't Electric Basses nearly as good in comparison? So, then I ventured out to see what I could do about that. Make an Electric Bass from the start without al the inherited problems from the Basses currently on the market. That was where I was comming from and where I am and always will be.

Now, go and play a few Basses in the 50k to 150k range. Learn about their sound and feel. Play them on Gigs, recordings and in Orchestras. Then pick up a Stick looking thing with a Bridge and Strings they call EUB and tell me if you feel comfortable when you could use a fine toned Double Bass with a pickup if and when needed. Now if you play a lower prices Ply or Carved Bass and then use an EUB, I can see how this may help and solve some issues but that is not the type of Bass I use. I only get involved in making the things I would enjoy playing. It's not about business, it's about the pleasure you get from the product that keeps me in business.

Still Shocked hdiddy?

Mudfuzz · #17 10-04-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KSB - Ken Smith

Before I respond, The Camera can't show is what we need to see with the Top actually removed...=

So then we should all carry along a butter knife and thermos of hot water to look at a bass....................................

KSB - Ken Smith · #18 10-04-2005, 12:06 PM

[quote=Aaron Noguer]So then we should all carry along a butter knife and thermos of hot water to look at a bass....................................

I didn't bring up the Camera thing. I mentioned that you cannot tell everything wrong with a Bass from the outside. Plain and simple. If you are buying a Gypsy Bass or an old Relic, know what you are doing and how much repairs will run b4 you committ.

hdiddy · #19 10-04-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by K$B

Still Shocked hdiddy?

No, not really. Even in my own experiences, the EUB's that I've tried have not cut the mustard even when compared to my inexpensive DB. I think it's safe to say that if you compare an EUB to a pedigree DB, 99% of the time you're probably going to be disappointed. However, I think some of us are still open to trying new things for other reasons. That's all.

KSB - Ken Smith · #20 10-04-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hdiddy

No, not really. Even in my own experiences, the EUB's that I've tried have not cut the mustard even when compared to my inexpensive DB. I think it's safe to say that if you compare an EUB to a pedigree DB, 99% of the time you're probably going to be disappointed. However, I think some of us are still open to trying new things for other reasons. That's all.

Oh, did I mention that I once owned and used an Ampeg Baby Bass. I bought it from Manny's in 1968 while still in High School. I gigged on it a little but it never felt like a real Bass. I sold it soon after and stuck with the 'regular' Basses, Electric or Double BS.