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Old 11-12-2008, 07:19 PM
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Help with Info on a Juzek I'm Considering

Hi there everyone;

I've been doing a lot of research on this forum and elsewhere about Juzeks because there is someone in my city selling a used Juzek half-sized bass and I'm trying to decide whether to buy it or not.

I was hoping you folks (Especially Ken Smith if he's around...) might be able to tell me a little more about this bass from the pictures (i.e., what possible year it might be, what its history might be, what one should expect to pay for it...)

I know the pictures aren't THAT great, but I did my best. Somehow over the years it ended up with a Hammond sticker on the inside that identifies it as a Juzek SB236 (alongside the normal Juzek sticker -- see photo) but I don't know what this serial number might mean. S.tudent B.ass perhaps? I was able to identify it as obviously a laminate, but other than that I don't know much about it.

I went to play it today. It sounded decent, but my problem is that with my level of experience I can't tell what a good luthier COULD do with the bass and whether it'd be a step up from the bass I have now which is a very nicely set up Engelhardt EC-1. My teacher is not really available to evaluate this bass for me so any thoughts you might have on its pedigree would be greatly appreciated.

Any general thought you might have on what a fair price for it would be (considering that it will have to be properly set up) would also be much appreciated.

(You should be able to see a slightly larger version of the photos if you click on them... I think...)

Thanks,


Genna.

P.S. the Juzek sticker says "John Juzek violinmaker formerly in Prague| Made in Germany"

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Old 11-12-2008, 07:23 PM
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:19 AM
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Most serious adult players avoid 1/2-sized basses because the sound is smaller and the instruments are nearly impossible to resell. This looks to be a carved bass from the 1960's or so, though I can't see details in the pics so well.
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:42 AM
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Go here to find Ken Smith:

http://smithbassforums.com/
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:13 AM
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Juzek half-sized . . . I was able to identify it as obviously a laminate . . . , but other than that I don't know much about it . . . I can't tell what a good luthier COULD do with the bass and whether it'd be a step up from the bass I have now which is a very nicely set up Engelhardt EC-1.
Genna --

What a clear post; nice going.

DIGRESSION: Arnold has forgotten more than I will ever know about basses. That said and meant, had you not said it was a plywood bass I would have guessed plywood based on a) lack of cracks; b) apparent slab-grain in close-up of f-hole, although the pics aren't crystal-clear on the point; c) apparent edge-chipping shown in the full-view pic; d) apparent lack of center-seams, although the pics aren't crystal-clear on the point; and e) blackened f-hole (although the last is the least-definitive). So somebody would probably have asked for more pics before making a final conclusion. Point being, yah, the pics show a high likelihood of plywood.

Back on point. Your question is whether a 50s/60s half-sized plywood bass is a step up from a very-nicely set-up modern three-quarter plywood bass. My ignorant, wordy answer is:

a) Does it sound better?
1) Is that because you like the strings better?
2) Is that because you like the feel better?

b) Sound aside -- and sound is everything -- generally, the Juzek label indicates a sturdy, fundamentally-sound instrument and the Englehardt label inspires a lower degree of confidence. Of course, there are winners and losers in both piles.

c) As Arnold noted many folks avoid half-size basses like measles. Even if you are not one of them that reality affects your ability to sell the bass later.

d) Most of the time the step up from a plywood bass would be a solid-top or solid-wood bass. Again, there are exceptions in both piles.

There! What a windbag I am!

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Old 11-13-2008, 08:04 AM
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Hi Genna.....I agree 100% with Arnold.
Looks, in your Profile, that you might be going into orchestral playing. You will probably be totally drowned out by the other basses in the section with this little bass, not to mention loss of timbre. Also, as mentioned, resale value is almost zilch.
If the issue is your phyisical size is the issue, please take heart...there are MANY small statured people in the DB world who play thier collecttive asses off.
Play this bass next to a 3/4 instrument and I think that will tell your story.
Good luck.
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Why did Ken get kicked off of TB?
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:04 AM
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Use the 'Search', Luke.........
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:57 PM
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the pics are not really clear. Arnold seemed to think it's a carved bass. I can't really tell from the photos. I may be wrong but the scroll seems to have been grafted on. You might want to ask the seller about it before making any decisions.
Your best bet would be (if you are really interested that it) to borrow it and play it, as well as (most importantly) bringing it to a qualified luthier to let you know about possible health issues, past repairs gone bad, etc. This is useful to verify value as well.
Think about it, try it a bunch, absolutely get a second opinion from someone who knows more than you do. And it wouldn't hurt to try MANY more basses to have more of an idea of how to gauge this on. Don't get stuck up on this one if it doesn't feel completely right, even if it's the only thing available at the moment.
best of luck.
Mike
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