INYONATION CHANGES FROM GUITAR TO GUITAR

NEFFCO · #1 03-19-2009, 04:02 AM

i checc my stops with a tuner and i use markers but my e string is always flat on g if i hit the marker when i'm playing with others .i play with a couple bands and depending on the guitar every thing moves.i think i should move my bridge farward on the e to compensate .and i'm putting new strings on this week so any info on it will help.is this due to string highth on the guitar?everyone i play with uses a good tuner and i always eyeballl the **** out of others tuning.

Eric Swanson · #2 03-19-2009, 04:07 AM

While I can certainly relate to your intonation issues, I think you may be on the wrong forum. This is Double Basses.

You know, the big instruments with no frets?

A repairman can adjust your EB's bridge, if you can't do it yourself with some time, patience, a tuner, and your ears.

Good luck with your issue.

tomshepp · #3 03-19-2009, 04:12 AM

Wow Eric, you sure are up early!

Eric Swanson · #4 03-19-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tomshepp

Wow Eric, you sure are up early!

Yeah, I know, but then, so are you!

Weekdays, my body gets up at 4:00, and is at work by 5:45. My brain wakes up sometime much later in the day, if at all...

The wacky stuff we do to make a living...

simonwilmer · #5 03-19-2009, 04:26 PM

Blah blah , , hes got a DB , maybe you guys need more coffee .....if your out of tune at your markers and your bridge is in the right place , Id hazard a guess that the marker is out or you should all use the same tuner , and your never going to be perfectly in tune all the time , good luck buddy.

Marcus Johnson · #6 03-19-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by simonwilmer

Blah blah

I guess it's different inyonation than it is in muhnation.

simonwilmer · #7 03-19-2009, 05:03 PM

very different , took me a while to work that out ..

Phil Rowan · #8 03-19-2009, 05:03 PM

In mah nation?? Aww hell no, in YO nation!! Sh****t!!

Marcus Johnson · #9 03-19-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by simonwilmer

very different , took me a while to work that out ..

That's ok, mate... I'm sure I can't pronounce "Murwillumbah"...

simonwilmer · #10 03-19-2009, 05:50 PM

Dont worry about it ,a lot of Aussies cant either .

Eric Swanson · #11 03-19-2009, 05:57 PM

Sorry if I misunderstood. The OP's profile doesn't list anything but guitars (except on the GAS list). So, I am still not sure what instrument they're talking about.

If it is DB, it is out of my experience to play the bass by position markers; I never considered the OP was talking about DB. Its not about coffee, it was just a foreign concept. So I learned something new today.

As far as always being out of tune, that hasn't been my experience; I just don't accept it. I know many DB players who consistently play in tune. Its a question of degree.

The good fortune of studying with some great teachers, years of practicing double stops and shifting exercises, plus singing the notes I want to play (internally) have sort of cooled out the playing out of tune thing. As Sam Sherry puts it, "inadvertant microtonality" happens, but its not an accepted part of playing bass, in my limited experience.

So, if your markers are out of tune, move them, if they are moveable. If they aren't, you'll have to move the nut, the bridge, or both. Hopefully, whoever put the markers there had the bridge in the right spot when they did it. You'll need a good luthier's eye for that one, I think.

Perhaps learning to play without looking at the fingerboard would work, too. That's what a lot of folks do, who are looking at the music, a conductor, or other musicians when they play.

Just a few thoughts. Shorry for mhy blahtahnt misuhndersthandhing...

shadygrove · #12 03-19-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NEFFCO

...i use markers but my e string is always flat on g if i hit the marker when i'm playing with others .i play with a couple bands and depending on the guitar every thing moves.

Let me see if I've got this straight, you check your double bass intonation with a tuner on both the open strings and against the marker but then when you play with others the g is out of tune? Is your bridge leaning?

I agree with Eric that it's much better to learn to use your ears to play in tune than rely on markers.

A guitar tuned well to open strings can still have poor intonation. If the string height of the guitar has increased from when the intonation was set it will go sharp and you by comparison will sound flat. Worn down frets can also do this.

RandyMolson · #13 03-19-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NEFFCO

i checc my stops with a tuner and i use markers but my e string is always flat on g if i hit the marker when i'm playing with others .i play with a couple bands and depending on the guitar every thing moves.i think i should move my bridge farward on the e to compensate .and i'm putting new strings on this week so any info on it will help.is this due to string highth on the guitar?everyone i play with uses a good tuner and i always eyeballl the **** out of others tuning.

Sorry, but that looks like PUI to me.

JavierBass · #14 03-19-2009, 10:09 PM

Wrong forum.......geez....damn bass guitarists always getting lost.....

TroyK · #15 03-19-2009, 10:21 PM

This is my favorite thread. Thank you ever so much.

shadygrove · #16 03-19-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyK

This is my favorite thread. Thank you ever so much.

Glad I could contribute to your favorite thread Troy, although I'm still not sure if my response to the OP was at all relevant to whatever he was trying to say.

His command of the English language reminds me a bit of our young friend from Omaha who had unfortunately already melted down and was headed to Smithsville before I logged onto TB last night... I never even got to say goodbye

Eric Swanson · #17 03-20-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyK

This is my favorite thread. Thank you ever so much.

I am wondering if it still fits in a blue Prius with the position markers on.

zeytoun · #18 03-20-2009, 06:15 AM

If not, you can move the bridge to compensate.

drurb · #19 03-20-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shadygrove

...reminds me a bit of our young friend from Omaha who had unfortunately already melted down and was headed to Smithsville before I logged onto TB last night... I never even got to say goodbye

Yup, he's over on Smithville and irritating people already! (See posts 8, 11, and 12 over there.)

jgroh · #20 03-20-2009, 12:15 PM

I dont know whats INYONATION but here in the US...uh...I forgot where I was going with that.