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10-07-2008, 01:59 AM
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i just got an email from lemur about a new bass they are selling. http://shop5.mailordercentral.com/le...uctinfo/BA152/
looks like it might be a smaller american standard copy like the cleveland new standard. anyone have any more info on this? particularly in regards to how it compares to the cleveland?
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10-07-2008, 10:05 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orlando, FL | | | I got the same e-mail and thought "Hey, that looks like my Cleveland!" |
10-07-2008, 10:14 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | Whatever it is, it sure is purdy for being 2k.
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10-07-2008, 10:16 AM
|  | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | | Lam only. I guess they're not going to compete in the hybrid market. One thing they do have going for themselves is that they're based on the west coast. |
10-13-2008, 12:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stonington, CT | | | Any of you West Coast guys get to Lemur and check one out? |
10-13-2008, 12:55 PM
| | | | I'm amazed that anyone would want to knock off the Cleveland bass. Like any double bass sells well enough to warrant that kind of copycat behavior.
I suppose copies have been around forever, it's just funny to me they are copying a plywood copy of a plywood copy of an Italian Bass. |
10-13-2008, 12:59 PM
|  | Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncletoad  I'm amazed that anyone would want to knock off the Cleveland bass. Like any double bass sells well enough to warrant that kind of copycat behavior.
I suppose copies have been around forever, it's just funny to me they are copying a plywood copy of a plywood copy of an Italian Bass. | Are they copying the copy of the copy or are they copying the copy? (Try saying that ten times aloud and fast). 
They seem to be copying the same classic American ply of which the Cleveland is also a copy. |
10-13-2008, 01:08 PM
| | AES Fine Instruments | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brewster, NY, USA | | | Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation. |
10-13-2008, 01:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Boston, MA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by arnoldschnitzer Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation. | Good, glad to hear it.
Note that in the advertising copy that Lemur says that it is the, "new standard of excellence," etc. Perhaps it is building on the reputation, even the marketing language, of the AES basses.
They don't seem to be the first firm to try to capitalize on the superior value and reputation of the AES instruments with a bit of wordsmithery.
Last edited by Eric Swanson : 10-20-2008 at 11:52 AM.
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10-13-2008, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by arnoldschnitzer Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation. | It is annoying when a business tries to steal the goodwill from another to make their daily bread rather than creating some of their own.
Happens all the time in all kinds of business.
Maybe they should have bought out the company instead! |
10-13-2008, 01:59 PM
| | Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut | | Quote:
Originally Posted by arnoldschnitzer Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation. |
Thanks for the clarification. I was repeating Toad's characterization that they were "copying a plywood copy [Cleveland] of a plywood copy [American Standard] of an Italian Bass."
So do you see Lemur's product as a direct copy of your own or is theirs simply another bass "in the style of" the American Standard? Even if the latter, it would seem that their idea was to profit from your successful approach. What they are doing is pretty obvious. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say they are trying to "steal good will." Here's a sincere question. At what point does any other company's decision to build a bass of such a style constitute encroachment rather than legitimate competition? One would hope that buyers will recognize quality and value. Note in edit: Wow! I compared some close-up pics of the Lemur bass and the Cleveland. Geez-- to my eye anyway, the Lemur does, indeed, look like an attempt to copy the Cleveland as closely as possible. Some of the small details are astonishingly close.
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10-13-2008, 02:01 PM
| | Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Swanson They don't seem to be the first firm to try to capitalize on the superior value and reputation of the AES instruments with a bit of wordsmithery. | There are others? |
10-13-2008, 02:03 PM
| | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!!!  |
10-13-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hdiddy DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!!! |  |
10-13-2008, 02:19 PM
| | Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut | | Quote:
Originally Posted by drurb There are others? | Quote:
Originally Posted by hdiddy DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!!! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Swanson | Some see conspiracy where there is none. |
10-13-2008, 02:44 PM
| | crosswind downwind bass | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tacoma WA | | | Er, back to the OP. It looks like it has a skinney neck, and says the bridge is high. I am curious where it was made.
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10-13-2008, 02:54 PM
| | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | | Given that they have done business with Sunrise to create the cheaper Bromberg/Wood bass copy, my guess is that it's gonna be chinese. |
10-13-2008, 04:43 PM
|  | No Longer Works a Day Job | | Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: USA | | | I'd go with the Cleveland. It seems like they're doing this to capitalize on the NS success/popularity. The bass will be worth it [NS].
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10-13-2008, 05:20 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stonington, CT | | | I'm not in the market...I'm just curious to know if the bass lives up to the claims of volume and punch they made in the ad. I agree with Toad about the use of words that seem to associate it with Arnold's NS. Lemur should consider removing any wording that is misleading or associative with AES's strong products and service. |
10-13-2008, 06:03 PM
| | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | | Too bad... I'm thinking twice about shopping at Lemur now. Even if I never buy anything from Arnold, why would I want to support that behavior.
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