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Old 12-13-2004, 02:14 PM
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A name for this bass shape?

I have seen a number of semi-acoustic or small-bodied double basses that all have a similar shape. Like the Dan Robinson bass (Australia):
http://www.danrobinson.com.au/instrument_bass.html
or the Whitehead SASE (also down under)
http://members.netro.com.au/~dragon/sase.htm
or the Teman (made in Italy)
http://www.teman.it/contrabbassi.htm
(slight variation in the bottom)

Renowned French luthier Christian Laborie makes a similar bass, as does the equally renowned Italian luthier Pietro Capodieci.

Now - and I especially ask the luthiers here - is there a special name for this design, like there are names for other double bass designs (Busetto, for instance)? A lot of luthiers worldwide seem to have agreed on the very same design...
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Old 12-13-2004, 03:23 PM
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I don't know what the name of the shape is [I just call it guitamba ].

Here are some "normal" basses in the shape though Scroll to the bottom go to "Double bass Special commissions"
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Old 12-13-2004, 04:31 PM
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I think I saw that last one on an episode of "The Jetsons".
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Old 12-13-2004, 05:15 PM
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It's sort of a semi-cornerless design. Cornerless instruments have been around a long time. I've heard some folks refer to the basses as "guitar" style, as the various varieties of the dreadnought guitar are of a cornerless design.

If you look look at the thread down this page titled "Arnold S's Ergonomic Bass " you'll see that his bass is of a very similar design that has been offset symmetrically.

The statements on his site reads that the bass was intended to be cornerless but ended up designed as it was as "a consession to practicality."

Which I interpret to mean that a completely cornerless bass is a PITA to build.

Perhaps the builders of the basses you showed had the same experience.

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Old 12-13-2004, 05:22 PM
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I'm still gagging on the $7,000 price tag for the Whitehead. Get real.
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Old 12-13-2004, 10:31 PM
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"Which I interpret to mean that a completely cornerless bass is a PITA to build."

I interpret that as being impractical to carry. It is actually easier to build since the corners add a lot of labor to both the corpus and the plates.
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Old 12-14-2004, 09:30 AM
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I interpret that as being impractical to carry.
If I recall correctly, that's the only reason Arnold went with actual corners where the C's meet the uppers on his ergo bass... So it can be picked up and carried easily.
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:35 AM
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I believe that shape, which is guitar shape on bottom and either gamba or violin on top, goes back a long way to the Renaisance period. It is a shape used for early viols. Viols came in all kinds of weird shapes, only some of which have been applied to double basses.

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Old 12-14-2004, 03:05 PM
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In the event of a split in the rib, it stops at the corner. On a true guitar shape with no corners, it could travel the whole distance, top to bottom. It's a maintenance nightmare. I think.
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Old 12-14-2004, 04:52 PM
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I am in the process of designing and building a guitar/cornerless shaped bass and It is interesting that you brought that up Don. To counter the cracking I plan to double the sides and place carbon fiber or linin between the layers. I also designed a sliding trap door that will double as a handle to carry the instrument as well as a port to remove the neck and set the soundpost. Stay tuned

If anyone has access to a cornerless, guitarshaped/pear shaped bass I would love to hear about it, photos would be great. The latest Double Bassist has an article featuring a soloist playing a pear shaped bass. I am not copying any one instrument but gathering info for my own design. Comments are welcome!
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Old 12-22-2004, 06:45 PM
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Sergio Scaramelli in Italy makes an eleganmt guitab bass. You can see it at http://www.contrabbassi.it/contrabba...nstruments.htm
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