Need reco for first standup

[Kam]

I'm partial to "String Bass" even though I find myself calling it lots of different things. I think Upright bass is what I typically call it when talking to non-musicians. Standup is what they usually say. Bah, what a world.

[Farin]

Yep. I agree with Paul. Using the term "Doghouse Bass" makes me think that person has no clue what they hell they are talking about. I supose "Standup Bass" is more exceptable, but still not one of my choice terms.
Bass wise, I would once again have to recommend a Sam Shen bass. I play one, and I tell everyone they should play one too. It's been good to me, and it was priced at a steal. You def. get your money worth.

[mcnaire2004]

Originally Posted by Conor MacCarthy

Actaully i've always preferred the term 'big guitar'.

I hate that term. That, to me is the worst one. When I play at my church all the old people are saying that. I don't mind standupbass, doublebass, contrabass,bull fiddle,bass violin,bass fiddle, and bass. I hate big guitar. He'll I play a medium 3/4 and people have called it a violin, cello or the doom doom doom doom doom (they'll hum a jazz line) thing. To me this stuff is offensive as people thinking that bass is signifigantly easier than violin,viola(or the 'violin to the average person lol),or cell. I played the Reveri in church once and a e-bassist (who doesn't know how to play) who played with a visiting church corus (whole notes on the beet). I was told that he was ''really good'' and ''you should get lessons from'em". Just because they like the jazz sound and something to clapp on the beet. By the way, I didn't play during church just at a "showing off the 'kids" concert. This bass guitarist was during church.

[Marcus Johnson]

Let me put it another way...when someone books me for work, I bring "the bass". Sometimes they specify "electric", and then I bring a Fender or something. But if I get the call, it's implicit that it's the bass. You know, the big standup doghouse thing.

As WARBONNETT said, I've never ever heard anyone in the biz call it a doghouse. Usually that term comes from casual observers, the same ones who call it a "big guitar". Anybody who hires me calls it "the bass".

[Steve Killingsworth]

You say potAto, I say potAHto . . .

Let's Call The Whole Thing Off.

[mje]

Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson

... I've never ever heard anyone in the biz call it a doghouse....

I don't think I've ever heard anyone under the age of 60 use that term ;-). It's archaic hipster slang, for the most part, though some Rockabilly fans have attempted to revive it.

Cassel: doghouse n. [1920s-50s] (orig. U.S.) a double-bass.

OED has 1923. "The Council of War," _Baseball Magazine_, October, 1916, No. 6, p. 26 "Fiddle means to steal a base. Big doghouse fiddle means to work the double steal."

1920 Atlantic Mo. (Feb.) 180 [ref. to 1918] An icy wind blew full upon the ill-starred doghouse that I clutched between my knees.

(note to DRURB: my other area was psycholinguistics ;-)

[mrpc]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

I've known Ray Brown for many years, and i've never heard him, or any great bassist call the bass a dog house or for that matter, the stand up.I think both of those names tacky and undignified.

Paul, how are you doing? Ummmm....last time I checked, Ray Brown was dead, and gone from this plane of existence. RIP. Sure that you know that. And I didn't mean to say that HE, MR. BROWN, refered to the bass as "doghouse"......I meant that lots of people in that era (the time frame that he "cut his teeth" in) of swing and pre be-bop (30's- early 40's) had that habit (among others) of refering to the acoustic bass that way. It was a dirty and dangerous environment to work in. You know that TB got Blanton, right? At least my elders told me so, and it seems to be documented it in the reams of jazz history.

I do know a cat, a "world" class jazz player as a matter of fact: He hates this term for his instrument so much, that he built a speaker cabinet in the likeness of a real down and dirty doghouse and put an EV 15" bass driver in it. 1/4" plywood, nails and Elmers glue. It sounds like dog-poop.... but really moves some air! Anyway, this way he can point at the doggiebox whenever someone calls his bass (19th Century Italian!) a "doghouse" and tell them they are wrong, the "doghouse" is "over there". End of argument, and a good laugh, every time! Sometimes he brings it even if he isn't playing amplified.....just for that doghouse ambience.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by mrpc

Paul, how are you doing? Ummmm....last time I checked, Ray Brown was dead, and gone from this plane of existence. RIP. Sure that you know that. And I didn't mean to say that HE, MR. BROWN, refered to the bass as "doghouse"......I meant that lots of people in that era (the time frame that he "cut his teeth" in) of swing and pre be-bop (30's- early 40's) had that habit (among others) of refering to the acoustic bass that way. It was a dirty and dangerous environment to work in. You know that TB got Blanton, right? At least my elders told me so, and it seems to be documented it in the reams of jazz history.


I do know a cat, a "world" class jazz player as a matter of fact: He hates this term for his instrument so much, that he built a speaker cabinet in the likeness of a real down and dirty doghouse and put an EV 15" bass driver in it. 1/4" plywood, nails and Elmers glue. It sounds like dog-poop.... but really moves some air! Anyway, this way he can point at the doggiebox whenever someone calls his bass (19th Century Italian!) a "doghouse" and tell them they are wrong, the "doghouse" is "over there". End of argument, and a good laugh, every time! Sometimes he brings it even if he isn't playing amplified.....just for that doghouse ambience.

I don't understand, at all, your first paragraph
Very classy and clever...can't you devulge the name of this"world class jazz player"
Are suggesting that I might not know of Ray's passing? Also, what does " You know TB got Blanton right? At least my elders told me so. And it seems to be documented in the reams of jazz history."

[mrpc]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

I don't understand, at all, your first paragraph
Very classy and clever...can't you devulge the name of this"world class jazz player"
Are suggesting that I might not know of Ray's passing? Also, what does " You know TB got Blanton right? At least my elders told me so. And it seems to be documented in the reams of jazz history."

Paul!

"I don't understand, at all. your first paragraph"

That's a real good and classic response technique for starting an old fashioned and manly debate, beyond the fact that our instrument has been titled many ways over time.

Otherwise I don't care to debate over any conceptional semantics here.

I didn't mean to challenge you about your knowlege of Ray Brown, sorry if it seemed that way.

I was just poking fun at you for refering to Ray Brown as if he was still with us, here in the present. Of course I know that YOU know that HE is dead. I miss him very much, and was really happy to hear him play shortly before he passed away. He was so powerful and beautiful, that sometimes I refer to him as if he were still alive, too. Sorry if I touched a nerve on that one, and sorry that you missed the humour.

Jimmy Blanton died of Tuberculosis (TB). It's written in many books of jazz history, as is the term "Doghouse Bass".

And "my elders" are my parents, RIP, who hung out in those places and told me about it, described the atmoshere, as I was getting into the music.

My wife reminded me this morning that years ago when I walked into a session with my old Flatback Bass with patches and cracks all over it, that our friend Mel Martin (google-"Be Bop and Beyond") pointed at it and called it "Doghouse Bass". In that case "Doghouse" meant "What did you bring that piece of !!##%%&& for?"

Sorry, can't tell you who the owner of the beautiful Italian Bass is, here on the internet for anyone to see... But Paul, if you are traveling to the S.F. Bay Area and need a bass, P.M. me, this fellow does SOMETIMES rent it to established jazz artists when they come to town.

And the bass cab thing IS for real!

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If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen- Mabel John

[Aaron Saunders]

...I'm sorry, did someone just try to educate Paul Warburton on jazz history?

Dude, sit back and listen to Paul's playing. Then read some of his posts. Then consider the fact that this guy not only was around for the kinds of events people talk about all the time, but even had his hand in some. I know you're well intentioned, but you've barked up the wrong tree, dude. Your parents may have told you about this stuff, but he was there.

http://www.talkingblues.net/talkinbass.html <-- Paul's playing.

Paul Warburton <- Paul.

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/.../Speak+Low.htm
and
http://www.emusic.com/album/10851/10851278.html are links to Paul's CD. I don't own the CD yet, but I listen to his quartet's version of "My One and Only Love" as much as I listen to anything from Miles or Mingus.

[mrpc]

Dude! Excuse me, but...... My parents were old enough to BE Pauls Parents!

[chicabass]

"

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

I've known Ray Brown for many years, and i've never heard him, or any great bassist call the bass a dog house or for that matter, the stand up.I think both of those names tacky and undignified.

"


I've got it! That's the bass the standover man plays part time, when he's not doing hold-ups.

This is obviously something I missed noticing whilst I was watching the Blues Brothers \-:


chicabass/K`

[Aaron Saunders]

Originally Posted by mrpc

Dude! Excuse me, but...... My parents were old enough to BE Pauls Parents!

...neat?

[CamMcIntyre]

I've used my Cleveland in a Folk Rock/Blue Grass Setting. The bass sounds great playing 1-5s over 3 chords [that's about how many we used]. Something that the Cleveland [laminated model] has that is a good benefit is-it's LOUD. The bass also sounds at home in a jazz context. This bass was my first DB-it was a graduation/birthday/christmas present from my dad. I truly believe this bass will be a bass that i hand down to my kids [yeah-kids are a loonnnnnnng way off].

that's all.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Aaron Saunders

...I'm sorry, did someone just try to educate Paul Warburton on jazz history?

Dude, sit back and listen to Paul's playing. Then read some of his posts. Then consider the fact that this guy not only was around for the kinds of events people talk about all the time, but even had his hand in some. I know you're well intentioned, but you've barked up the wrong tree, dude. Your parents may have told you about this stuff, but he was there.

http://www.talkingblues.net/talkinbass.html <-- Paul's playing.

Paul Warburton <- Paul.

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/.../Speak+Low.htm
and
http://www.emusic.com/album/10851/10851278.html are links to Paul's CD. I don't own the CD yet, but I listen to his quartet's version of "My One and Only Love" as much as I listen to anything from Miles or Mingus.

Aaron...just wanted to thank you for steppin' up to the plate for me ....again! I'm 64 and have been playing jazz professionally since I was about 15. If this guys parents are old enough to be my parents, i'd love to see 'em. My Mother's still kickin' at 94. Thanks again Aaron!

[mrpc]

Paul, I guess I am being demonized here for some reason.

Please read again, my previous post, and accept my apology for any mis- understanding here in cyberspace.

If my parents were ALIVE, they would be 89 and 87 years of age now.
You are very fortunate to still have your mother here with you! I hope you are counting your blessings.

GOD bless you, I understand that you have had some issues with your health as af late.... you've had alot of prayers, and mine has been among them... I hope that you are feeling better and look forward to hearing you play some great jazz in person sometime.


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"Lovin' you baby, and you don't even know my name" -Jimmy Reed

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by mrpc

Paul, I guess I am being demonized here for some reason.

Please read again, my previous post, and accept my apology for any mis- understanding here in cyberspace.

If my parents were ALIVE, they would be 89 and 87 years of age now.
You are very fortunate to still have your mother here with you! I hope you are counting your blessings.

GOD bless you, I understand that you have had some issues with your health as af late.... you've had alot of prayers, and mine has been among them... I hope that you are feeling better and look forward to hearing you play some great jazz in person sometime.--p

Apology accepted. I did read again, your post..Whatever your name is, I hope it's not mrpc ( I do know those letters stand for some stand-up doghouser.) I did open the letter in a typical English manner and i'm sorry about that. It's from reading too many Kenny- Boy Smith's rants about English Dog House's
Thanks for blessing me with GOD'S name. I think the people and stand up players did a pretty good job.
You just come on like you know more than you do.......i

"Lovin' you baby, and you don't even know my name" -Jimmy Reed

ii

[mrpc]

Great, Paul.

Now, what is your instrument recomondation for a ZAPP's first exploration into the wonderful world of acoustic bass violin?

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by mrpc

Great, Paul.

Now, what is your instrument recomondation for a ZAPP's first exploration into the wonderful world of acoustic bass violin?

Right.