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02-08-2007, 03:07 PM
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02-08-2007, 03:34 PM
| | | | When I was in music school, a very serious composition student asked me: "Can you play eighth-tones on the bass?"
I said, "Can I ..."
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02-08-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by clink  They are sounded as in the order you wrote them. | I'm quoting myself here. What a waste of time 
Obviously, I must be hard of hearing to have missed this; I just listened with headphones and they sounded the same to me, so I give up. Why isnt' there a YAWN icon? |
02-08-2007, 05:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: arlington va | | | second one sounds better to me, slightly--them dern scientists got me brainwashed!
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02-08-2007, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by clink I'm quoting myself here. What a waste of time
Obviously, I must be hard of hearing to have missed this; I just listened with headphones and they sounded the same to me, so I give up. Why isnt' there a YAWN icon? |
Truth be told, I don't think I could reliably identify them either! |
02-08-2007, 07:02 PM
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Okay, this is it. The attached mp3 has an equal-tempered major third and a just-intoned major third. This time, each "note" in the chord consists of a harmonic series rather than a sine wave. See if it's easier to tell which is which. I think it is! 
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02-08-2007, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drurb Okay, this is it. The attached mp3 has an equal-tempered major third and a just-intoned major third. This time, each "note" in the chord consists of a harmonic series rather than a sine wave. See if it's easier to tell which is which. I think it is! | Is it the same order again?
On a side note I was surprised (happily) that I could tell the difference between the sine waves-I saw this after you posted the answer, so I didn't post-although I couldn't tell that the second was sharp (as opposed to flat).
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02-09-2007, 04:52 AM
| | | After following this for a bit, I have to come to the conclusion that I don't really care. Notes & pitches are what they are - irrespective of what we decide to call them & how it was decided & whether the conventions are technically correct or not. Nothing is ever absolute black & white anyway. I prefer just to get on with things as they are - safe in the knowledge that classical soloists vary their intonation depending on a given notes context; fretted bass guitars inevitably sound out of tune (horribly!) on occaision; ears can often be more accurate than tuners and the overall experiential impression that appropriate, contextual intonation is perhaps a little more fluid than we might think. I think Silv touched on most of this as well. However, if there is a named scientific theory which I can use to explain away any genuinely poor intonation, please let me know  |
02-09-2007, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Bollbach BTW, rock guitarists play two note chords not cuz of troublesome thirds but just that they are easier to play than three note chords.  | Hey! I object! I... oh. Right. Never mind. |
02-09-2007, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydbass ...ears can often be more accurate than tuners... | The ears can be more appropriate in many circumstances, but given modern tuners, not more "accurate." Those tuners can display frequency deviations that humans cannot detect. This bolsters your point in that to pay very close attention to them is, at times, folly.
Overall, I agree with your sentiments. My purpose here was to add a bit of empiricism to the statements and assertions flying around here regarding the just-intoned and equal-tempered intervals.
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02-09-2007, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydbass I think Silv touched on most of this as well. However, if there is a named scientific theory which I can use to explain away any genuinely poor intonation, please let me know | Try saying oh, "I wasn't out of tune, you heard it that way because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle." It means something quite different, but it would probably work, and most people won't catch it and those that do will admire your cleverness. 
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02-11-2007, 06:00 AM
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