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Old 01-23-2010, 12:49 AM
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Scherl & Roth info thread

MOD EDIT: This post was first made in another thread that went downhill. I found the information below useful, and thought it might be a good starting point for a new thread as I must delete the older one.


Now if anyone is still interested about S&R, I was their purchasing manager in the mid/late 1980s and still have a lot of info on them. The only instruments coming from Korea at the time were guitars, that were sold through Conn/King band instrument dealers. Conn, King, Artley, Continental Music and Scherl&Roth we all part of UMI, headed by Swedish investor Bernhard Muskantor.

S&R was moved from Cleveland to the Atlanta facility where I worked around 1985. We were beginning to get some of the lower end student violins, violas and cellos from the Czechoslovakia (remember the Soviet Union was still intact at the time), though the basses and better quality outfits were still all coming from Germany. The instruments didn't necessarily come from one manufacturer, but from several, determined usually by who could meet our delivery needs.

Early 1988, the Atlanta facility was closed and everything moved to Elkhart, IN. So through 1987, I can say for fact, none of the S&R instruments had come from Korea. Having already done some time in the snow belt, I opted to stay in Atlanta and lost track of the S&R operation. I remember reading UMI was acquired by Steinway, and later Steinway by Selmer. S&R is now part of Conn-Selmer.

The S&R shop was headed by a German guy named Schuechner. A really skilled luthier. I wonder if he is still there?
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:06 AM
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Scherl & Roth Basses - 1970s through 1987

Scherl & Roth Basses

1970s through 1987

Let me preface this by saying the information here is based on old catalogs, vendor listings and vague recollections.

The bottom of the student line basses were laminated, U.S.A. manufactured by Engelhardt-Link and available in 1/2 and 3/4 sizes. Models were 00613 (3/4 bottom), 00653 (3/4 step up), and 00652 (1/2 step up). All were referred to in inventory as "student Bass". These would have been labeled as Models #61 and #65 respectively.

Next were the "Step-up Bass" models. These were hybrid design with laminated back and sides and a carved spruce top. Models were 00673 (3/4) and 00672 (1/2) and labeled as Model #67. These were supplied by Otto Jos.Klier (Klira) of Bubenreuth/Erlangen (at the time West) Germany. Note: Wikipedia erroneously states Klira's years of operation as 1887-1982. I have in my possession a 1987, 100th year anniversary price list. The Model #67 is described as "back and sides flamed laminated maple, solid spruce top, ebony fittings". Available in violin shape for an additional 10%.

Two models called "Professional Bass" finished out the line. Models 0069m (Gamba) and 0069v (violin) were fully carved, and both labeled Model #69. Both of these basses were supplied by Emmanuel Wilfer.

The 1975 S&R price list also shows "Genuine Ernst Heinrich Roth Double bass"; models G669, g670, g675, g676 and g677.

Maybe someone will find this information useful.

Source questions for instruments after 1987 will have to be answered by someone else. If anyone has a specific question not answered here, I'll try to answer it.
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On Saturday, I dropped my bass off with Peter Horn in Brecksville, OH. What a great guy. I spent about an hour there, just talking about a bunch of things, but not that much about music. He's a walking encyclopedia and has a good heart.

He worked from 1955 to 1972 in Cleveland for Scherl & Roth. I kind of got the impression that computers are not his preferred form of communication, but he does have a website, peterhorn.net. I'm sure he could add significantly to this discussion.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:14 PM
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When I was in high school in the mid-1960s, stringed instruments from Scherl & Roth were considered very desirable amongst the school crowd and string teachers. The same held for the William Lewis instruments (even more so here because they were Chicago based). Of course, anything from the "Iron Curtain" contries of Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, or East Germany was rare and Chinsese instruments were non-existant (Chairman Mao did not dig decadent Capitalist Western music).

If one can put their hands on one of the better grade S&R or Lewis basses, it can be a nice find.
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