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Old 11-12-2009, 03:33 PM
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Shipping a bass by Greyhound Bus...beware!

I have been asked a few times here at Talk Bass about shipping a bass by Greyhound bus. I would say yes this method works but only if it is packed well or you have a flight case. Well I am here to change that answer and hope that others who are considering shipping a bass by Greyhound Bus get the full picture before they leap.

Here is my experience:

Greyhound Bus is by far the most inexpensive way to ship an inexpensive bass…we are talking plywood, nothing special, nothing super valuable bass. Greyhound Bus one way service from PA to CA was $75.00, but it is cheap for a reason, there is very little insurance available often less the $300. The more transfer stations the bass has to go through, the less insurance there is to purchase. From NY to PA I could purchase $1000 insurance. From PA to CA I could only purchase $300 insurance. If you are willing to take the risk with little or no insurance, Greyhound is an option. Beware there is no live tracking available while your shipment is in transit. If you call customer service, be prepared to wait 20-40 minutes on hold before you talk with a live person in customer service, only to tell you they have no live tracking available. The only thing they can tell you is “it is in transit”, that’s it! The travel time can be painfully long, average 7 days to 14 days or more. A large object like a bass is one of the very last things to move on the belly of a bus. Passengers and luggage first, if there is room for a bass only then will it be loaded. If the busses are running full or delayed because of bad weather your bass will sit at a Greyhound station for days until space becomes available.

I have used Greyhound a few times in the past four years. The very first time was to receive my beloved Epiphone B-1 and it was damaged by Greyhound. This was a lesson learned in proper packaging. The seller mummified the bass in bubble wrap thinking this would work. I was naive and allowed the bass to ship this way…bad decision…and I take full responsibility for the bad choice of packaging and shipping. Though the bass was wrapped in several layers of bubble wrap the neck was sticking out like a handle on a frying pan, and it was handled that way…yep…my bass arrived with a broken neck. I was really heart broken, this bass had survived since 1940 without a broken neck and one ride with Greyhound bus…BANG…it was broken. The silver lining (if there is a silver lining) was the broken neck was the catalyst for us to begin to learn how to repair plywood basses…so in its on way, there was a bigger purpose (call me Pollyanna).

Since that first time we used Greyhound we got wiser on the packing…we bought a high quality flight case. A big investment, but it definitely improved the shipping success rate with Greyhound. We used the case a few times and though the travel time was 7-10 days, the case with a bass inside always returned home…until now.

Right now my flight case is lost in the great abyss of Greyhound Bus. It is now 21 days with out a trace of my case. I have called Greyhound in Dallas, TX…daily. I have called the terminal in CA daily and no clues to where it can be. My next step is to file a claim and wait 180 days for a possible refund of $300. The case is worth seven times that amount and thank goodness if there is any positive, silver lining to this situation, the case was empty…if that can be a relief right now.

Greyhound Bus can be rude, un-helpful, non-responsive and sometime down right incompetent. The one shining person during this situation is my local terminal manager who has been helpful and caring. He knows our names, our face and “the fiddle case” pretty well. He of all the folks at Greyhound has been helpful and pleasant…a rare find at Greyhound Bus.

Hopefully by sharing this information if you ever need to choose Greyhound you are more fully informed and have low expectations. I see Greyhound being touted on eBay fairly often as a safe means of transporting an inexpensive bass. I am here to say, cheap and slow are cheap and slow for a reason. If you are a gambler and don’t have much to loose you might try it. The jury is still out for me. IF my case is found, IF it is returned to me in one piece and IF I ever use Greyhound again (not likely) I am going to purchase a live GPS tracking device and install it in the case. This way I can have my own live tracking system and see if the case is just sitting at a terminal…which would be just fine…at least I would know where it was. Right now I have visions my case has been stolen and is being used as a new deluxe shelter for a homeless person down behind the bus station.

If it has been stolen and anyone in the Talk Bass community sees it pop up on Craigslist, or a pawn shop please send me a PM. It is a one of a kind white fiberglass and gel coated hard outer case made by a Canadian yaught company named Saga. Their makers tag and 800 phone number was on the inside of the case by the end pin holder. It has a special interior finish that is splatter blue paint much the way the haul of a boat would be finished on the inside. The inner case was a black Eastman soft gig bag. Our name was placed three times on the outside and two times on inside and there are no stickers on it except for two red fragile stickers. The handles are spring load retractable and the locks are aluminum butterfly shaped and conceal into the case. The dolly wheels are not integrated but attached to the bottom with bolts. The strapping system on the inside is black and riveted to the case. There are a few grey foam pads on the inside of the case for extra protection.

Thanks for reading my long winded post and hopefully this will help someone, some where down the line be more informed about Greyhound bus and their cheap but limited services for shipping a bass. And if the case does come home, I’ll let you all know of its happy homecoming…my fingers are crossed and my attitude remains positive.
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Old 11-12-2009, 07:38 PM
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Bummer Molly....I hope your trunk eventually finds its way home.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:59 PM
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A friend shipped a guitar to me via Greyhound back in 1979. Still waiting for it to arrive. Never ship ANYTHING by Greyhound.. Anything identifiable as something of value will get stolen.
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:51 AM
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I've been playing trad jazz festivals out in the west for several years and have been trying to figure out viable ways to ship a real bass out there outside of the airlines, so it seems the bus system is probably out of the question. It would be so nice to have an actual acoustic rather than drag the stick through the airports, and I really don't want to rent something - it's usually a crappy school instrument of some sort. Ideas on that front would be nice.

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Old 11-13-2009, 09:16 AM
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Hey Ike…this will become my dilemma as well.

I have asked around and checked on a few different services. To try FedEx, UPS or a trucking service there is the cost to ship out the case to the west coast empty and then ship it back with a bass. In this situation my case was headed to California to pick up a broken Epiphone bass for restoration…that is why my case was empty…thank goodness.

Greyhound was $75.00 from PA to CA and then would have been $83.00 from CA to PA. This price is very alluring and the slow travel time has not been much of a concern in the past. A round trip in the past has never taken more then 10 days with Greyhound. The cost of FedEx with an account is about $200 one way so $400 round trip. This would most likely apply to a freight company as well. I have successfully shipped a bass one way with Craters & Freighters with home pick up and home delivery and their packing for $500…some what pricey but it was safe and convenient.

In my mad scramble to get the bass on the west coast to me I have found an independent carrier that I am now trying. This gentleman crosses the country once a month picking up and delivering artwork, antiques and other small items door to door…pretty cool small business. If this gentleman works out for me and keeps his prices reasonable I will be happy to share his name (with his permission). There has to be something between $75.00 and $500.00 to safely transport a bass from east to west and back.
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:25 AM
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I'm thinking if you use a shipping container like his no worries of theft. Lots of padding and handles as well.

http://www.bestpricecaskets.com/stor...sket_Oversized
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I'm thinking if you use a shipping container like his no worries of theft. Lots of padding and handles as well.

http://www.bestpricecaskets.com/stor...sket_Oversized
Hopefully, it won't get buried in the shipper's warehouse. That would be a grave matter.

Sorry to lower myself to this level . . .
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You're killing me here!
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:32 PM
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molly...i know your pain.
i once got off a greyhound with a broken neck myself.
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Old 11-13-2009, 04:04 PM
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Sorry to hear all this Molly. Thanks for sharing and warning others. I sold an old Juzek ply here on TB, and at least a few folks suggested using Greyhound. It just didn't feel right. I was fortunate to have sold it locally to Kurt.
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:12 PM
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FYI - I used ForwardAir about 5 years ago to ship an Acoustic 360 amp speaker. The price was reasonable then - like $90 for the BIG speaker - about 80# and 3'x2'x4'.

They do LTL (less than truck load) shipping and are generally located by major airports although they use trucks to ship. It was quick - like 4 days coast to coast.

You have to deliver the item to and pick up at a terminal. Of course it has to fully protected as freight.

Except for the payment hassle all went well. You have to prepay and they did not take checks or credit cards then. Had to get it weighed, measured and priced at the terminal and then went to a nearby 7-11 and got an exact money order.

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Old 11-13-2009, 11:33 PM
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Hey Ike…this will become my dilemma as well.

I have asked around and checked on a few different services. To try FedEx, UPS or a trucking service there is the cost to ship out the case to the west coast empty and then ship it back with a bass. In this situation my case was headed to California to pick up a broken Epiphone bass for restoration…that is why my case was empty…thank goodness.

Greyhound was $75.00 from PA to CA and then would have been $83.00 from CA to PA. This price is very alluring and the slow travel time has not been much of a concern in the past. A round trip in the past has never taken more then 10 days with Greyhound. The cost of FedEx with an account is about $200 one way so $400 round trip. This would most likely apply to a freight company as well. I have successfully shipped a bass one way with Craters & Freighters with home pick up and home delivery and their packing for $500…some what pricey but it was safe and convenient.

In my mad scramble to get the bass on the west coast to me I have found an independent carrier that I am now trying. This gentleman crosses the country once a month picking up and delivering artwork, antiques and other small items door to door…pretty cool small business. If this gentleman works out for me and keeps his prices reasonable I will be happy to share his name (with his permission). There has to be something between $75.00 and $500.00 to safely transport a bass from east to west and back.
If there's some way to work it out, I'd like to see if I can just keep a bass out that way and have it shipped from one festival to the next. They're mostly in along the coast from LA all the way up to Olympia WA. Have been doing some in BC but have been furnished a bass up there to avoid the possible hassles with customs.

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Old 11-14-2009, 08:12 AM
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Molly,

Have you tried ABF Freight Systems. A lot of foks in the tuba community use this outfit and are generally happy with them. I don't know if there is a terminal close to you but this is a large outfit and has ben in business for 80 years.

I also believe there is some outfit in the NYC area that specialises in hauling basses around. I think its been discussed somewhere on this board. Again, I don't know howwidespread they are but maybe some of our NYC area folks can chime in.

I've actually had good luck shipping a couple of tubas via Greyhound. However, these were in hard cases, were basically beater instruments, andonly had to ride a single bus from Evansville, IN to Chicago and back.I think that the more times a package has to be unloaded/loaded, the greater the opportunity for loss or otheere mischief.

Of course, you can always learn to fly, buy a Learjet, and deliver them that way.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:28 AM
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I had my bass shipped by ABF, NYC to Alberta. I know the local agent from day jobbing and he put the word out down the line to take care of it, plus dug deep into the discount book for a nice rate, and walked me through the customs clearance procedure.
I would certainly use them again.
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:44 PM
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Okay…this just keeps getting more wired!

The case has arrived in CA…HOORAY...now I have a new twist. The bass that was going to fill the case is in route to me with a private courier who picked up the bass two hours before the case showed up at Greyhound (timing is everything and I am off beat here). The courier offered to go pick up the case on his return trip, but the bus station was closed…three hours early. So thankfully my case is found, but now do I take the chance and send it back to the east coast by Greyhound (empty) or hire yet another courier to retrieve it and bring it home. This is getting very tiring and expensive…SIGH!
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Glad to hear you found the case. Good luck with the rest, and hopefully it will work out.
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Molly,

This might be a bit of work but, you might hook up with a luthier out there or someone that needs to ship a bass from CA to somewhere near you (Philly, Jersey, NYC). You let them use you case - they pay the shipping cost. You could put up an ad on here and/or the ISB web site. Folks are always looking fo a flight case somewhere.

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So sorry to hear of your Troubles MollyKay . All I can say right now is Thank You Very Much for getting the Epiphone out to me safely from PA to MT.

I played him again tonight, I'm one-happy-camper, and am still amazed that Reds made it here in one-piece and then made it in one-piece in Luthier Jake DeVilliers' flight case on the Greyhound to Bellingham and then into Canada for Spa treatments. And then ..... From Seattle back to MT in a late-night long-distance-run in my truck bed .... Even over some snow on the MT-ID border.

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Old 11-18-2009, 02:23 PM
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Thanks Bob and other for the thoughts and ideas!

Craters & Freight was great to work with for a domestic shipment…much better then Greyhound…but then again they were five times the cost. You definitely get what you pay for in shipping and customer service. I don’t want to jinx my situation but I see a glimmer of hope in getting my flight case returned and the bass shipped separately.

I’ll write the final chapter of my saga once everything is securely in my hands. Right now I am trying to make lemonade from the lemons that I bought. What started out as a $150 round trip bus ticket with Greyhound has now become a $700 first class trip with a white glove delivery service. I will say I have learned from this experience that…I have a lot more to learn about shipping a bass securely with live tracking.

I admire anyone who builds (or restores) a beautiful, well made, expensive bass and then hands it over for the “stork” to deliver to the new owner. In my delivery situation the “greyhound” ended up being a real dog indeed.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:40 PM
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Final chapter

Finally, my saga is drawing to a close and my flight case is on its way home (in one piece I hope)! I'll share my experience so others can learn from my mistakes…you can’t make every mistake yourself, you can learn from others mistake…here was my mistake…I chose Greyhound and had too high of an expectation for delivery and service. Buy cheap…get cheap!

Greyhound took 21 days to get my flight case from east coast to west coast…that is 14 days longer then ever before. The nerve wracking part with Greyhound is you have no idea where your items are. There is no live tracking and the customer service is sorely lacking with Greyhound. I called their Dallas CSR center (with 20-40 minute on hold times) and every time they said it could take 12 days, then 14 days, the 17 days…no one really knew how long it would take and once it passed the 18 days they suggested I file a claim. With all that, they still could not tell me where the shipment was. That really made me panic, I thought the case was stolen.

IF, and I do say IF we ever choose to use Greyhound again, I have found and intend to purchase a live tracking GPS device that can be concealed in the flight case. There is a bit of expense involved but the 21 day wait with no news on our shipment was too nerve wracking. The technology is out there…I’m going to use it! The upside with Greyhound (there is only one) is the low cost. If I buy a broken bass for a few hundred dollars it is difficult to spend $400-$500 to ship it to me…so I will reserve Greyhound for those low risk situations with a GPS tracking device onboard.

The good news is through this experience I have found several resources to ship a bass in the future. Everything from white glove service to LTL trucking firms. There also is an eBay like website called U-ship. The site is great for shipping anything and works on a feedback system. Many service providers are small Mom and Pop shippers just looking for some extra income. So there if there is a bright side…I have learned much and now can make more informed choice the next time I buy a bass and need it shipped to me.

For anyone who is looking for a courier to transport a bass I can recommend this guy.

http://www.shlomobenyaacov.com/

He travels east to west and then back again once a month. He is an independent contractor/photographer and caters to artist and musicians. He intends to build a coffin case for future bass shipments. He was reasonable, friendly, had good communication and helped me out when I needed it most. I have his permission to pass along his contact information. I am not endorsing his business, I only wish to share his contact information should anyone here at TB needs their bass caringly and carefully transported across the country. All his door to door pick ups and deliveries are in person, he uses a 26’ Ryder truck or a small van. There is no freight handler involved, hence the “white glove” service.

That has been my experience…I hope it helps some bass player in the future decide how to ship a bass securely!
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