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Old 02-17-2011, 09:58 AM
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in what way is a premium ply better than entry level hybrid?

I've read all the newb links, and have seen the one that describes the overlapping bell curves of ply, hybrid, and carved basses. I get the general idea that an entry level hybrid might not be as good as a premium ply.

What I don't get are the specifics. In what way is an entry level hybrid not as good as a premium ply?

Obviously, price is set by a whole bunch of non-musical (or at least non-tone affecting) things such as upgraded tuners, pedigree of the maker, country of origin, etc.

I don't want this to be a ____ vs. ____ kind of thing, and I know I need to go play basses in order to know what works for me (although I don't know that I'd be able to tell yet - see the "how long to rent" thread).

But (ducking for cover), what—in general terms—would the differences be soundwise between, say, a Shen SB150 and a New Standard La Scala?

Like I said, I have no experience with any basses other than the Shen SB80 I'm renting, so maybe that's an apples-to-oranges comparison in that the SB150 is trying to be a totally different thing than a La Scala; I'm just trying to figure out if the price difference between a $2250 hybrid and a $4600 ply has anything to do with sound, and how to determine what's right for me.
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Old 02-17-2011, 10:50 AM
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You've just got to audition as many basses as possible, and then you can tell us. Different basses of the same model may not even be consistent soundwise, so this is all meaningless without hearing, trying, in person, the exact basses you are considering.

The La Scalas are made in Germany and USA, while the Shens are made in China - so there's a large component of their price difference.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:55 AM
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Any person/factory with some wood working experience can run down to the local wood supplier, grab some maple spruce and ebony and eventually hand you a fully carved double bass looking object. Folks like Arnold Schnitzer(who I'm sure you know builds world-class basses as well as the New Standards) have the know-how and technique to source the proper woods, design and execute a laminate or hybrid that will be mostly free of the problems a lesser maker would let slide by. (improperly dried wood, tension built into the instrument, thoughtless table thickness etc. etc.)
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:56 AM
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Wow! Where to begin... I'll start by saying that I agree with Eric. There are many factors. That said, I think you identified many of the factors in your original post. Not mentioning or alluding to any specific basses, I'll invent one case among many possibilities that might serve as an example:

The premium ply:
Great workmanship, desirable figuring in the veneers, top-notch oil-based finish, high-grade ebony fingerboard, tailpiece, tuners, even response across all strings, neck and body tailored for playability, great setup, good powerful, punchy sound.

The entry-level hybrid:
So-so workmanship but with good integrity, pretty, but not highly-flamed wood, mid-grade fingerboard, tailpiece, tuners, mostly even response, generally playable but with ergonomics not as good as the above, good setup, not as loud as the ply but has the complexity of tone of a carved top that the ply doesn't have.

Now, given these two hypothetical basses, I guarantee you that many would find the first to be preferable. It depends upon what you play, what you need, and how you weight the priorities of all the factors.

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Any person/factory with some wood working experience can run down to the local wood supplier, grab some maple spruce and ebony and eventually hand you a fully carved double bass looking object. Folks like Arnold Schnitzer(who I'm sure you know builds world-class basses as well as the New Standards) have the know-how and technique to source the proper woods, design and execute a laminate or hybrid that will be mostly free of the problems a lesser maker would let slide by. (improperly dried wood, tension built into the instrument, thoughtless table thickness etc. etc.)
Well sure, but this is an extreme example of a great ply bass and a junky "carved" BSO. That one's a no-brainer. It's usually far more nuanced than that as described in my example.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:44 PM
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Thanks!

How much can things like even response and egronomics be affected by the setup?

Obviously, the egronomics of things like the shape of the shoulders can't really be changed, but is it possible that a good luthier could make an entry-level hybrid into something better?


(and I do know that the bottom line is I just need to go out and hear it for myself, but this is very helpful.)
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:49 PM
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Thanks!

Obviously, the egronomics of things like the shape of the shoulders can't really be changed, but is it possible that a good luthier could make an entry-level hybrid into something better?
A good setup does change the ergonomics. A good luthier can make any bass perform at its best.
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