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Old 12-01-2008, 08:48 PM
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L2500...those green Chicklet caps in the wiring

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I recently disconnected the chicklets in the Series wiring side of the pickups in my older 2500. The sound is a bit subdued sompared to having the caps wired in, but the lack of hum is very favorable. To me, Series without the caps soulds like parallel mode with more balls. Parallel seems to lack a lot of midrange, series takes care of that.

So I was wondering if anyone has ever found anything to use in place of those particular caps that would give back that sound, but without that hum? (the hum drove me nuts)
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:33 PM
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Within the realm of a capacitor type that is usable in this application (low voltage, audio frequency), a cap is pretty much a cap. Though purists will no doubt argue, it just doesn't matter that much. A Radio Shack disk capacitor of the proper value will work just as well as what you refer to as a "Chicklet".

And just because I'm a grumpy old fart today, it's actually spelled "Chiclet" and is a brand name of Cadbury Adams. More info here.. Chiclets are made in several colors, green being but one, but the most common color is white. They are also notably larger than the green poly capacitors used in USA G&L basses.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:27 PM
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And just because I'm a grumpy old fart today, it's actually spelled "Chiclet" and is a brand name of Cadbury Adams. More info here.. Chiclets are made in several colors, green being but one, but the most common color is white. They are also notably larger than the green poly capacitors used in USA G&L basses.

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I know this is meant to be somewhat of a tickle between the ribs (with a blunt, yet rigid object), and should be taken that way, so i will refrain from coming up with a response that will demanding of one even "snappier".
Thanks for the lesson...I guess.
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<chuckle>

Hey! Grumpy old farts gotta get their ya-ya's out somehow!

Thanks for not ripping me a new one - even if I earned it.

Be sure to let us know how the mods go. Drawings of the finished product would be pretty cool too.

Now go buy me some Chiclets.

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Old 12-03-2008, 09:34 PM
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You can eliminate hum with both pickups on if you "balance" the series mode. See document up top that talks about the 100 ways to wire the pickup series / parallel for single coil option. In my experience both pickups is the worse because you get a hum adding configuration. What the document up top tells you is how to do the same concept except do it so that the bridge and neck coils pick up the noise out of phase and cancel it out.

If you want to get rid of noise with a soloed series with cap, shielding is probably the best way to go.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:47 AM
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Try lowering the pickups a bunch and raising the polepieces on just one of the coils of each pickup quite a bit (on my L2000, I lowered both pickups til the screw heads were just above the body of the bass and raised the polepieces on 1 coil per pickup 1/8" while leaving the other coils polepieces flush with the surface of the pickup)- it seems to me to make both series and parallel settings more clear and "single-coilesque", but while also remaining hum-cancelling. The "chiclets" essentially cut the highs from one of the coils, giving you the full sound from 1 coil and only the low frequencies from the other coil- but doing this also unbalances the hum-cancelation aspect, whereas moving the polepieces up can change the tone without interfering without adding hum (to my ears anyway).

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I think I resemble that remark


Basically what they did was take two coils per pickup and stack them in series. And put a capacitor to ground in the middle of each stack. If they have reversed the order of the series stack for one of the two pickups, everything would have been hum bucking (with both pickups working). But since both pickups have the coils stacked the same way (yellow-green on botton, black-white on top) and the capacitors both going to ground, the hum gets doubled.

The high frequency hum picked by the white-black coils does not have a corresponding out of phase hum provided by the yellow-green coils because the yellow-green coils have all there highs sucked straight to ground by the big caps. Hence the white-black coils both provide hum that's in the same phase (hum adding pickups).

Simple soluiton is reverse the order of the coils in series mode but that means you have to unsolder the green wire from its permanent ground connection. Not a good thing in the new tributes.

So the next and maybe simplest solution, is to take one of the big green chiklet caps and tie it from the mid point of the stack (same point as stock 4PDT switch) to the top of the stack (basically the pickup selector point for that pickup). Now if you look at the frequency response of the coil pairs, they are all balanced from a hum / frequency response perspective.

The white-black coil in the stack with the cap grounded passes highes from the hum. But the humming highes from the stack with the cap going to top are coming from the bottom yellow-green coil on the bottom (in the modified stack the highs get sucked out of the white-black coil). The hum from these two different coils is out of phase and therefore hum bucking.

Does that help?

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