- Amps [BG]
|cm3ohana ||08-16-2013 05:27 PM |
1.1 cu ft cab...what 12" speaker could I use or save my money?
So I've got this empty practice bass combo and I would like to use my Fender Rumble 150 head with it. The combo is built for a 12" speaker but is rather small at 1.1 cu ft and it's enclosed. Using the WinISD, I've been looking at a lot of 12" speakers but most, for obvious reasons, require a larger box. I'd like to keep it simple by keeping it enclosed without having to take the next step of porting and tuning. I think that's beyond my inexperienced capabilities.
So, I think I've narrowed it down to the following two speakers:
Fane Sovereign 12-300
Eminence Basslite S2012
Any thoughts about whether either of these would work or other suggestions? Maybe this is not a good idea? I'd be willing to consider that as well and save my money. Looking to the experts for some help/advice.
BTW, my regular amp setups are Markbass LM III with an RS210 and RS112 and also an Ampeg BA-115. So, it's not like I need another bass amp but since I have an empty cab and a Fender Rumble 150 head lying around, thought I would do something with the pair....if possible.
Thanks in advance for your help.
|Woodstockz ||08-16-2013 05:51 PM |
Since it is a combo, and you are using a separate head, can you increase the volume by reclaiming the space from the electronics box?
|cm3ohana ||08-16-2013 06:30 PM |
Interesting idea, Woodstockz. I was actually thinking about using the electonics box space as an area for the head and allow it to be removeable if I want to use it with one of my other cabs. The Ampeg BA-115 I have is pretty heavy (not overly so) but more than I'd like to haul around for an acoustic goofing around session with my friends. So, I just keep it at home as a practice amp. But, if playing acoustically with friends, would like to bring out the frankencombo as one unit for portability purposes (ease of carrying). But, I'll keep your idea in mind to get a little extra volume out of the cab. I do realize 1.1 cu ft is small for a 12" speaker....even possibly for most 10" speakers. So, just exploring the possibilities. Thanks.
|cm3ohana ||08-16-2013 06:32 PM |
By the way, I'm not looking for thunderous, house shaking low end. I know that's not going to happen with this configuration. But, hope I can get something that sounds decent and won't fart out when I get the volume past 3 or 4. :-)
|DukeLeJeune ||08-16-2013 07:35 PM |
One of Eminence's recommended enclosures for the Basslite S2012 is 1.15 cubic feet sealerd. And one of their recommended enclosures for the Beta 12A2 is .90 cubic feet sealed. These both close enough to your 1.1 cubic feet that you can just take your pick. They recommend a lot of stuffing in either one.
Very unlikely either woofer will do much farting out in this application - both have decent excursion, and a small sealed box is inherently rather fartout-resistant.
|kringle77 ||08-16-2013 10:09 PM |
I can vouch for both the beta 12a and fane 12-500lf working very well in a sealed 1 ft3 enclosure with fiberglass stuffing. Im selling a pair of the fanes by the way.
|cm3ohana ||08-16-2013 10:30 PM |
Thank you for the advice. So, I'm leaning toward the Beta 12A. I've heard a lot of good things about the 12-500lf as well.
|cm3ohana ||08-16-2013 10:31 PM |
BTW, how thick should the fiberglass stuffing be? Is there any specific type I should buy?
|rpsands ||08-16-2013 11:20 PM |
In a sealed cab pretty tight. Normal fiberglass insulation is fine.
|cm3ohana ||08-17-2013 01:03 AM |
Thanks. I've been reading more about insulation and, to avoid fiberglass itch and splinters, some are using poly fill quilt batting or mattress topper....both available at the local Walmart. Might try that route.
|astack ||08-17-2013 02:57 AM |
+1 to Duke and kringle77. All great options. I'd stay away from the 12-300 Fane, though. I like the 500LF a lot, but it needs some power to open up and is heavier than the others. Depends on what flavor you're looking for.
|kringle77 ||08-17-2013 07:58 AM |
Just go with the insulation. I can't stress this enough. I've spent so much time and money experimenting and nothing works better for sealed cabs. Don't fight it. It's actually very easy to work with. Get the white itchless stuff from lowes. Cut a piece the same height as the inside of the cab and cut a length that will cover both sides and back. Stuff it in there, leaving it puffy, not squashed down. Your done. You really don't have to be that picky. For an experiment, install the driver first. Play. Then stuff the cab and put the driver back in. Play. You will see what Im talking about.
|cm3ohana ||08-17-2013 08:45 AM |
Thanks fellow TBr's. I just ordered the Eminence Beta 12A. I'll give the white itchless insulation a try. Should be able to complete this in a week or two. Thanks for the help and advice. Really appreciate it.
|wheelzr ||08-21-2013 08:43 PM |
I just put an Eminence Delta Elite 12", very similar to ones used by the Ashdown Neo, and it's fantastic. I've put mine in a 212 guitar combo and unplug the Celestion 12" for the guitar when I play bass. Sounds pretty meaty, not as smooth as a 10" but has great mids between 500-2K compared to other stuff I've used. amazon linky: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
|cm3ohana ||08-23-2013 04:11 PM |
Thanks for the feedback, wheelzr. I already have the money in the Beta 12A and I installed it in the cab. No insulation yet and already it sounds great. Here's a pic of the setup. I don't have the screen on the speaker area but will be putting it on when finished. Still wanna try it with the insulation but it sounds great already. Of course, I"m comparing it to the sound of the original stock Acoustic B20 speaker which I also tried with the Fender Rumble 150 head. Obviously, no comparison. Thank you all for the advice. This is a great practice and small, acoustic-gig combo amp. And, I have the ability to remove the head and use it with my other cabs.
|basscooker ||08-23-2013 04:27 PM |
Looks great. Versatile, too, any micro head will fit in there also. Is the back of the electronics box open?
|cm3ohana ||08-24-2013 02:21 PM |
The back of the area the head occupies is open in the back. The head itself has three vent areas - one on each side and one in the back.
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