112 vs 210

[root fifth]

Looking for + and - of both.What is prefered and why!

[honeyiscool]

I like vertical 210 over any other configuration.

Compared to a 112, I find that 210 has more volume, better lows (thanks to bigger volume), and "faster" highs and mids thanks to smaller drivers.

[root fifth]

Anyone else?

[musicxfactor]

I would suggest trying both - I went with 2 112 cabs - I like the midrange they offer, yet they can go low & also sound great with slapping & tapping. I feel the 12 offers great versitility.

[root fifth]

I have played both in the store of the same brand and liked the sound of both.Used the same head for both and really wouldnt matter to me wich one i had.There are some minor differances like weight,and power handling.But i was looking for some insight from the tech minds on here!

[root fifth]

greenboy,duke,jimmy,others?

[GrowlerBox]

It's an unanswerable question. You need to specify which cabs you're talking about. I think we've had this conversation in another thread, only you were on an 18" kick at the time. Same basic responses apply here -- there's no inherent tone to a speaker cabinet based on the diameter of the speaker(s) used. Etc.

[JimmyM]

a good 210 is usually louder than a good 112, and to my ears two drivers sounds fuller and more "complex" for lack of a better word (thank guitar player mag for bringing that word into our lexicon), but there's a lot to be said for a good 112 cab. they often make the cabs too small on them, but they're pretty portable and the ones made with neos can take a fair amount of juice before they crap out. but if i could choose only one, i'd take a 210 unless having the smallest usable rig possible is the goal.

[somegeezer]

212. =P Haha. For serious, I would go 210 if I really had to choose.

[billfitzmaurice]

Two tens vertically aligned will have better midrange dispersion, better intelligibility for the player being up higher, higher sensitivity and greater output than a 112 of equal quality.

[TheMinutemen]

A buddy of mine asked me a similar question. I am curious about what you guys think. Hartke 210xl(new) or Ampeg svt15(used) as a stand alone? Like me, at this point is just for home use. I have the Hartke, no complaints. I suggested new over used and of course I told him to play both and make a decision. I think he wants bigger bottom end than the Hartke.

[JimmyM]

tell him to add a second 210xl.

[chokeslam512]

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[BigOldHarry]

I've used both. I used to have a BagEnd 1x12", and I currently have two Epi 2x10"s

I found that for very small gigs, the 12" was great. Very easy to schlep, good sound. But for anything bigger, the 2x10" was required - and for even bigger, a 2nd 2x10".

Keep in mind that not all speakers are equal - I got lucky / spent lotsa $$$ to get really good cabs. I have played through other 2x10"s that were no where as good at pushing sound.

1x12"s have their place - but to my mind, all other things being equal, a 2x10" is just mo bettah.

[DukeLeJeune]

I won't dispute that a 210 will outperform a 112, all things being equal. But all things are not necessarily equal...

At this moment in bass cab history, there are high-output 12" woofers availablle that do not have a 10" counterpart, and these high-output 12" woofers can move more air than most 210 cabs, and more than some 310 cabs. I'm talking in particular about the Eminence Kappalite 3012LF and 3012HO and custom variations thereof, which you can find in fEarfuls, nEarfuls, Barefaced cabs, Baer Amplification cabs, Bill Fitzmaurice designs, Acme Series 3, and even something by yours truly. Some of these are boutique cabs and some are DIY projects, but they all break the rules as far as 112 vs 210 normally goes.

[GrowlerBox]

So a 210's better than a 112 unless it isn't.

I haven't heard a 210 yet that is louder or clearer than my Jack 112 (3012HO inside) -- of course I have only put it up against "off the shelf" 210s; none by one of the thoughtful designers Duke mentions above.

The problem is, it's pretty much never "all equal" -- you have to try the cabs available to you to try and make a decision. Trying them in the store against the kid knocking out "Smoke On The Water" or "Stairway" (can't believe that still happens, maybe just NZ, but I digress) on the uber-pointy Dean metal thingy and the Marshall half-stack actually isn't a half bad "real world" test.

[lowfreqgeek]

I went from an Eden D210XLT to an Aguilar GS112 a few years ago and the difference was night and day. The Eden was fairly deep sounding, but the Aguilar outperformed it in depth, clarity, volume, weight... You name it and the Aguilar was better. Then I moved to Epifani UL112s and they were even better, IMO, than the Aguilar. By "better", I mean they sounded just as deep, but had more mid-range punch and a sweeter top end, and they weighed even less.

In the end, though, go with the one that sounds best to you.

Now, I'm starting to look for a good 4x10, or possibly 2 high-end 210s like Epifani or Bergantino, or maybe Genz Benz Uber 210. I still love the 12s, but some of my playing situations need even more than 2 112 cabs can adequately provide (loud hard rock with a 5-string).

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

I won't dispute that a 210 will outperform a 112, all things being equal. But all things are not necessarily equal...

At this moment in bass cab history, there are high-output 12" woofers availablle that do not have a 10" counterpart, and these high-output 12" woofers can move more air than most 210 cabs, and more than some 310 cabs. I'm talking in particular about the Eminence Kappalite 3012LF and 3012HO and custom variations thereof, which you can find in fEarfuls, nEarfuls, Barefaced cabs, Baer Amplification cabs, Bill Fitzmaurice designs, Acme Series 3, and even something by yours truly. Some of these are boutique cabs and some are DIY projects, but they all break the rules as far as 112 vs 210 normally goes.

they certainly do. and of course, now that eminence is coming out with a couple 10" kappalites, i expect we'll start seeing some 210's using them as well. for purposes of this discussion, i was assuming that we were talking about your standard issue bass cabs, but it is worth mentioning that a cab with a 3012 could outperform a standard issue 210. but if everything was equal, i'd always go with the bigger cab. bass = big.

[nostatic]

anything worth doing is worth over-doing

[lowfreqgeek]

Showoff!!!

Originally Posted by nostatic

anything worth doing is worth over-doing