15/6/1 compared to a Tri115??

[J.Wolf]

I realize this may be a tricky question, since there seems to be some variation with drivers and crossovers used in Fearful's, but I'm curious if anyone has some DIRECT experience with both. I'm considering a 15/6 or 15/6/1 and am very familiar with tri115's. And since they're spec'd rather similarly, I thought I'd poke around a bit and see if anyone has thoughts on this.

thanks!

[lomo]

Without experience with the tri 115, I'd simply underline that the low freq driver in a fEarful will bury that in an AG in terms of power handling/transducing and therefore volume. It wouldn't even be close. They are both 3-way cabs, but the similarity fades after that. Hopefully someone who has actually played both will chime in....

[rpsands]

I think JohnK has a/b'd his nEarful cabinet to an El Whappo Jr. or something similar and could weigh in with some thoughts.

My two pence on Accugroove: They won't provide crossover details, displacement details, etc., and people tend to comment on them being rather dark. Based on that I would doubt that their midrange drivers are up to par.

Based on the contemporary approach of most MI companies, it seems improbable that the AG woofer has any more than half the displacement of a 3015LF, but probably similar sensitivity, and the boxes do tend to be pretty big.

I would expect there is someone in your area with a fEarful by now -- might post in the thread about an A/B.

[Ncognito]

I bought an El Whappo and played one show with it. I found it to be a total dog. Nice concept - sound, not so much.

I have a fEARful 12/6/1 and it's no dog. Terrific cabinet. I also with have my 15/6/1 completed in a week or so and I'll give you the report.

Go fEARful, IMO.

[wcriley]

Originally Posted by J.Wolf

I realize this may be a tricky question, since there seems to be some variation with drivers and crossovers used in Fearful's...

There might be some variation in other 15/6 cabs, but there is no variation with drivers or crossovers with fEARfuls. If it isn't built to Greenboy's specs, it's not a fEARful.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by wcriley

There might be some variation in other 15/6 cabs, but there is no variation with drivers or crossovers with fEARfuls. If it isn't built to Greenboy's specs, it's not a fEARful.

+1 (Million).

[J.Wolf]

Gotcha, I didn't realize that a true fearful has a fixed set of components, I guess because there is alot of modification and variations on that theme circulating around.

I had an el whappo for a long time as my main big rig/outdoor cab. I loved alot of aspects of it, although when underpowered or paired with certain amps it was definitely not happening. I get that the ag thing doesn't work for alot guys' setups, and I get why. I've managed to dial in my sound with that configuration, for my needs..

My question about this comparison has mostly to do with the fearfuls articulation, fidelity and clarity of the mids and highs. I'm pretty sure by all accounts that I'll be really happy with the low end performance. I compare it to AG because I really dig the fidelity and articulation on the top end into the upper mids, and also obviously because of driver size similarity.

[4Mal]

If I didn 't have a 12.6 and 12.sub, the Tri 115 would be very high on my list. I listened to Damien Erskine's rig based on the AG cab and loved it from out front. I think it is probably more colored than a true fearful, but colored in a very nice way. I've been real impressed with the 2 Tri112's I have heard as well. The AG cabs seem to have round and thick and clear as a character... Not a bad place to start for my tone.

[mntngrown]

I went to the norcal bassquake or whatever the name was a few years back at a Saratoga J.C. ,(Foothill?) Anyway Doug Johns and Michael Manring and and the wonderful gospel et al bass player who can play drums as well as bass and I think is Edwin Hawkins nephew, (sorry can't remember) all gave great performances. Accugroove was the generous provider of a wall of cabs. (just down the road in Santa Clara). Great punchy articulate cabs, and bass and amp head input might be the reason, but I heard no low end rumble near what a fEarful or nEarful can provide. Again the input might not have asked for it.

[Laurent]

I own a Tri210L and this is a great Cab. It gave a very serious run for its money to a TC Electronic RS210 I bought then rather rapidly sold.

I had the priviledge of spending some time with Mark at Accugroove when my cab developped a vibration issue. Mark personnally tested my cab and put two new drivers in it. I was impressed by the level of service, the personal interaction and how generous he was with his time. He even demonstrated a couple of his other cabs for me.


What I learned from this experience is that Mark plays a six string bass and build cabs that can cover the full spectrum of the instrument he plays. I often read comments about his cab from 4 string bass players (I am one of them) who miss the point of his cabs. They are full frequency cabs who deliver accross the whole spectrum.

I have been a fan of the Tri210L because it is very warm as a cab and indeed full spectrum and they are capable of going very low. They are a great cab to test gear with because they will reveal everything. They are sonically very polished and are capable of sounding like hifi speakers to my ears.

I have no experience of the other speakers they are being compared with in this thread but I thought I would provide this piece since this point about Accugroove is often missed.

[J.Wolf]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

If I didn 't have a 12.6 and 12.sub, the Tri 115 would be very high on my list. I listened to Damien Erskine's rig based on the AG cab and loved it from out front. I think it is probably more colored than a true fearful, but colored in a very nice way. I've been real impressed with the 2 Tri112's I have heard as well. The AG cabs seem to have round and thick and clear as a character... Not a bad place to start for my tone.

Thats interesting. As mainly a tri112 user (x2) I would be curious to hear if the 12.6 would have the kind of low end I'm after. My goal with a 15/6 or 15/6/1 would be to use it as an alternative to the tri112 rig, hopefully delivering both deeper and wider lows, a little less congestion in the mids, and a similar if not a tad crisper top end.

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by J.Wolf

Thats interesting. As mainly a tri112 user (x2) I would be curious to hear if the 12.6 would have the kind of low end I'm after. My goal with a 15/6 or 15/6/1 would be to use it as an alternative to the tri112 rig, hopefully delivering both deeper and wider lows, a little less congestion in the mids, and a similar if not a tad crisper top end.

One of the Tri112L cabs Mal heard was mine, and the first 12/6 cab he heard was also mine. The 12/6 goes every bit as low as the 15/6, just doesn't get quite as loud. Both will do what you want IME and IMHO. I really liked the AG cab too though. Eventually I settled on something smaller than any of 'em though...

[::::BASSIST::::]

Check out this sound clip. Loads of clarity IMO.

YouTube - Art of Noise fEARful

[rpsands]

For the cost of any AG cab you could have a nidacore fEarful. No contest imho

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by rpsands

For the cost of any AG cab you could have a nidacore fEarful. No contest imho

Used Tri112Ls are around 5-600 bucks these days. Every bit as nice as my 12/6 was IMHO, just different.

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by Passinwind

Used Tri112Ls are around 5-600 bucks these days. Every bit as nice as my 12/6 was IMHO, just different.

Yes, but we're comparing new costs, not used costs.

A used 12/6 can occasionally be had for 400-450, doesn't mean diddly

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Yes, but we're comparing new costs, not used costs.

A used 12/6 can occasionally be had for 400-450, doesn't mean diddly

That would arguably be a better option for the OP too, IMHO. I think Robbie's work looks brilliant, but it's probably not the best choice for the cash-strapped.