15/6 versus two 112s

::::BASSIST:::: · #1 07-29-2010, 09:23 PM

I currently have two 3012HO loaded LDS 112 cabs enroute and for the last 6 months or so I have been using my LDS designed 15/6.

I'm on the fence as to whether I should sell my 15/6 or not. I really like the cab, however, I am currently saving up to buy a newer car and need funds.

Will the 2 x 112 stack be as loud as the 15/6?

Kwesi · #2 07-29-2010, 09:29 PM

Aren't two cabs always louder than one? I'm the farthest thing from an expert but I've seen that posted a bunch.

BurningSkies · #3 07-29-2010, 09:31 PM

I replaced a 1212 + 115 rig with a single 15/6 and found it to do just about everything better.

::::BASSIST:::: · #4 07-29-2010, 11:01 PM

^That really is amazing since those schroe 1212s are very loud. Plus add a 115 to that?

Wow.

rpsands · #5 07-29-2010, 11:52 PM

The pair of 12s will be more sensitive, with 3012HOs, especially in the mids. If you're using a bass heavy sound, they will be very close to the same sensitivity with an extra 3db of voltage sensitivity if you're using a lower power amp (e.g. a LM2 or thereabouts).

The 3012HO has about twice the excursion-limited power handling of a 12 in a Schroeder cab, so keep that in mind. At least. The Schroeder 12s stop getting any louder after probably 75 watts a driver, vs. a ballpark 200 watts for the 3012HO.

Bottom line, if you like a bottom heavy tone, I think you'll be happier with the 15/6. It will be obvious.

I can speak to this comparison a lot; I have a 1x12 3012HO loaded cab I have directly compared, and one on one the 15/6 is much louder and takes way more punishment down low. For songs that require very heavy bass, the differences were exaggerated -- you need to add over 3db of bass boost to the 3012HO before it starts giving bottom like the 15/6, and once you do that you double the amount of excursion.

billfitzmaurice · #6 07-30-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwesi

Aren't two cabs always louder than one?

Not necessarily. Two 3012HO have 660cc of displacement, versus 846cc of one 3015LF. The 2x12 will be considerably louder in the mids and highs from the higher sensitivity of two drivers, but the 15/6 has higher capacity in the lows.

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Will the 2 x 112 stack be as loud as the 15/6?

Why not play through them and find out for yourself?

lomo · #7 07-30-2010, 07:18 AM

I compared my 8 Ohm LDS 15-6 to a pair of 8 Ohm EA Wizzy 12s with a Walkabout head. 175 watts at 8 and 300 at 4. Just as rpsands had suggested to me in a pm, the 12s were easier to hear and subjectively louder, but they didn't even approach the low projection of the 15-6, even with grotesque eq changes that sucked my headroom into the abyss. The 12s (not at all the same drivers as the OP's) sounded great, but in a low mid sort of way.

**Ukiah Bass** · #8 07-30-2010, 07:34 AM

You will feel sadness and despair after the 15/6 leaves your rig. Don't do it grasshopper!

coyoteboy · #9 07-30-2010, 08:12 AM

[Jedi mind trick] You will post pics and clips of this comparison after the 2 1x12s arrive [/Jedi mind trick]

::::BASSIST:::: · #10 07-30-2010, 11:21 AM

I guess I'll know better once I get the 3012HO loaded cabs on a few gigs. I love everything about the 2 x 112 setup. Portability, tall stack etc and they will likely see all the pub gigs which I mostly do. However, there is the odd time when I play bigger stages and can put a good 10+ feet between myself and the cab (weddings & corporate stuff) and I think thats a better time for the 15/6. Although I'm sure I could use the 2 x 112s for those situations as well. I've been at a couple gigs where I really needed to crank up the volume into my 15/6 and I was very happy with its performance. I'm leaning towards keeping it now.

lomo · #11 07-30-2010, 11:49 AM

Good on you. Keep it all. There might be a time when you stack all 3 cabs with a 2 Ohm capable head and jam out on the Lion's Gate bridge, sharing your thumps will all of Vancouver!

Bmorefoozler · #12 07-30-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lomo

Good on you. Keep it all. There might be a time when you stack all 3 cabs with a 2 Ohm capable head and jam out on the Lion's Gate bridge, sharing your thumps will all of Vancouver!

Your drummer might like one of those 12's as a monitor on those big stages...

rpsands · #13 07-30-2010, 12:17 PM

Get one of these installed in your 15/6 and you won't need to worry about the height

http://www.speakerhardware.com/foldi...5031570900.php

::::BASSIST:::: · #14 07-30-2010, 12:21 PM

^ Thats a good suggestion. I'll have to think about that. I'd likely have to pay someone to install it as I would not want to wreck the cab.

::::BASSIST:::: · #15 07-30-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lomo

Good on you. Keep it all. There might be a time when you stack all 3 cabs with a 2 Ohm capable head and jam out on the Lion's Gate bridge, sharing your thumps will all of Vancouver!

Yeah that would be crazy loud with the 15/6 and 2 x 112 stack. Actually my peavey dpc 1000 could make it happen. However, I would be hard pressed to need that much volume... my bandmates would be telling me to turn down, no doubt about it.

It would be fun though!